You have both Machidas, so I'll give you a like and a coment. I'm Already subscribed so I think that's it. It would be great if you record some light sparring too. =]

@@v.rucciinkmusic8978 I appreciate that!

Loved it. I hope more traditional shotokan guys consider these changes.

Been waiting for this

i shared the vid...does it mean i dont get kicked?

They’re doing awesome things for Karate!

Is he related to Royce Gracie. Because he looks kind of like Royce

@@harliiquinnstarlight Not at all. Loyto is son os a japanese Karateka with a brazilian mother, Royce is son of a brazilian (from a scotish bloodline) man with a brazilian woman. Both Helio Gracie and Yoshizo Machida (Lioto's father) lived in Belém do Pará, a remarkable coincidence. Helio Gracie moved to Rio de Janeiro still a kid tough. Unrelated curiosity: I live in the same street Mitsuyo Maeda had hs gym in São Paulo once, back in 1914. It's no longer a Jiu Jitsu place tough, but there's still a landmark in his honor in the neighborhood.

@@Tentacl I'm trying to put together what you said and it's still kind of looks like Royce Gracie and this guy could be related.

@@harliiquinnstarlight nope, diferent fathers, diferent mothers, no common family members. Only a small overlap living in the same city. And cmon, Lyoto looks japanese, Royce looks a very miscigenated brazilia.

Well I helped them a little lol

Sensei Segall says the same. Sorry I couldn't miss the joke

Yyyyyyyup

I haven't finished the video yet, but has either of you asked Lyoto to kick Sett's ass with ballet?

That's a really good point.

@@jansettler4828 meta reference!

I really like the analogy of the pen too. I'd take the analogy one step farther and think of the katas as teaching someone to write with a pen but without any paper to write on. You could spend all this time moving the pen around in the air, but you need to connect the pen to paper in order to really learn how to write.

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Waw! Interesting! I would love to see that. I have seen a few Lyoto's fights but I do not remember seeing that pulling hand application. Could you please be so kind to tell me in which of his fights I can see that pulling hand? And maybe give us a link and a time stamp? Please and thank you.

@@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872 yeah let me uuh go to your home and write the link down for you too, don't even need to write your computer password man I'll just bypass it by flashbooting Mint or something, don't even open the door for me I'll just lockpit it. jk, I don't remember the specific fights I remember a video titled "karate takedowns in the UFC" or something, Lyoto appears several times there. Also I am pretty sure I can't link things in youtube anymore.

@@cahallo5964 Oh! Don't worry dude, Why would I bother you asking you to provide proof for your own claims when I can just alleviate you from that burden of proof to your own claims and go do a search for evidence by myself. Or maybe you demand that I should believe you without evidence. Ok, enough with the jokes. I'll take that clue you gave me and that will be enough. I will not return to put the link and time stamp here because, obviously, I am not here to supply evidence to YOUR own claims. Thank you for the clue, any ways.

@@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872 this was strangely aggressive

Always looked at kata like learning your ABCs you still gotta know how to form words, sentences, and hold a Convo. And in this case the convo is a fight

@@dariuswilliams7509 best way I have heard that put

​@dariuswilliams7509 in American kenpo karate those ideas are called language of motion it explains the process of combat training

Exactly. They're for civilian self dense, much like Krav Maga

So, I cut out a bunch of me talking but I said “yea I USED TO” (they wouldn’t know any better if I did lol)

Same here 8:25 "I totally do that too"

Hahaha that’d be something

Or Shogun Rua!!!

@@SenseiSeth I actually might have a real flimsy connection to Chuck, in a friend of an acquaintance of a friend of a business associate kind of way. It’s a long shot but I’ll reach out. 😂

Doooo itttt!! Dude I’d be so pumped

If you get him to say yes email me! Senseisethadams@gmail.com

Imagine!

fun fact at one point you actually had oliver enkamp(jesse´s brother) wonderboy and lyoto machida in the UFC. oliver & lyoto machida now compete in bellator

The holy-trinity of karate and Seth’s the Pope

Ian Abernathy is great to! :)

Not to mention that those competition only styles, even wrestling, boxing, Judo etc. still carry a lot of potential for effective violence in a street confrontation. Looking at it from a defensive, security, LE or military perspective, if I saw someone who had cauliflower ears, I have to acknowledge mentally that they are very good at a particular skillset that can create a lot of problems, I think people underestimate how effective those "sport" moves can be, I had a friend who single legged a cop in a club (he didn't know he was a cop at the time), and because of people running around, chairs, debris, etc. the cop's knee got dislocated, and he was basically on the ground from that one takedown, luckily the bouncers made space for him and got him out of there.

@@carritohmc wrestling is a great example. As a wrestler myself I can say that at least 95% of what you learn in wrestling is totally useless against a trained fighter. But that other 5% is a total game changer. What's more, that 5% is really hard to develop in the practice room. TMA guys who think they shouldn't adapt thier technique in any way are downright delusional.

This is basically why Judo became superior to all other forms of Japanese Jujutsu, despite 'watering down' the martial art. Its too bad that its going a bit too far now, but still. The power of liveness and hard pressure testing is the key to practical martial arts.

The thing is that you can defend against all those "brutal" techniques with exactly the same methods. How do you defend against a knife? Try to block the forearms when they strike and try to maintain control of the hand while striking them if possible, but it's probably going to devolve to wrestling pretty quickly. Who do you defend against an eyepoke/gouge? Keep your head moving in between strike's (it's really hard to intentionally poke someone in the eye if they have their chin tucked, head down, and are moving properly) and don't allow yourself to get into a situation where your opponents finger's are in your eye while grappling. How do you defend groin strikes? For kicks you can check them, hook them, or blade your stance to protect yourself from it, for groin grabs while grappling you protect yourself as you would normally, by maintaining control of the opponents movement. A professional fighter is going to already have a great starting point in terms of defending against basically anything involving close combat and they can 100% throw lethal techniques if need be, after all submissions with follow through can cripple you, chokes can easily be used to crush your windpipe or just asphyxiate you, a lead straight can easily go to the throat if you lift the head up. The reason people make those assumptions about "x being too dangerous for competitive martial arts" concerning a style's practicality is because they don't actually understand the basic principles of fighting. A boxer is quite limited in terms of techniques, but they can still easily transition what they know into effective self-defence, such as using Boxing techniques with a knife, which is incredibly effective right out of the box. Meanwhile the Wing Chun guy claiming he can fight without ever actually testing it is going to be hard pressed with timing, conditioning, and fighting experience even if his technique is effective, which is debatable if you never test it.

@@TheNEOverse That's the balance, between keeping viable competition and creating a style that is only effective for the sport unless you heavily modify it. Traditional Boxing (which looked a lot like Traditional Karate) had weapons forms, grappling, kicks, elbows, etc, and when fighters competed, they often ended up seriously injured. So over time aspects were removed, though Boxing as a martial art still remained relatively effective with just fists (though not as effective) but after Marquess of Queensbury rules were introduced it became very different to bare-knuckle Boxing, and Boxer's have to actually relearn to properly form a fist due to constantly having the hands wrapped and gloved. It's why competitive MMA is currently going to best prepare you for actual fighting, because it's the closest thing to it with some form of safety and regulation. You can try techniques in an environment where they will be tested against live resisting opponents and see exactly what works against someone using almost everything. Hell some of the emerging MMA styles look very similar to old-school Martial Art's like Traditional Boxing (linear footwork and punches with a focus on defending from takedowns and fighting extensively from the clinch when need be).

Jundokan or "the other one"? Training Goju-Ryu in the 90's was so weird.

@@peartree8338 what is Jundokan? Is that an association? Because I know Meibukan, Shobukan and Goju-Kai associations for Goju Ryu

@@camiloiribarren1450 Jundokan is a huge branch of Okinawan Goju Ryu.

@@mitcdav got it. Thanks!!! 🤙🏼

Smaller classes = better teaching

I just like karate! Lol

@@SenseiSeth next legend shoul be Master Ken from Ameridote

Don't forget collaborations with icy Mike. Legends are Legends.....

Sebastian Rutten! He be a great interview.

@@SenseiSeth GSP would be awesome. But you might want to wait until Spring, because Canada is freaking cold this time of year 😁👍!!!

Karate throws front kicks with the toes pulled back to the shin!

Mae geri for the win! Yoko geri looks cooler though. Especially jodan 😄

The Karate variant is different from the Muay Thai teep, they're both amazing though

The way I learned it in Shotokan karate, this kick can be done either to the front with more "push" or upwards, more "snappy", this second variation is by far my favorite, it penetrates really well on the torso and it's really precise you can aim it at the opponent's chin.

Ball of the foot, always

Was super fun

I choose life

@@SenseiSeth but... content. Haha

Thanks!!

I don’t teach a lot of what I used to

@@SenseiSeth that's dope man. it shows your improving.

@@SenseiSeth you know that could be a good video idea 💡

Yes please

@Faroe why not do kata? There's as much reason for as there is against. People argue about the practicality of kata in a fight when they were designed to hold the essence of the style itself. The basic techniques and footwork. And through repetition they are used to build up muscle and strength as well as familiarity. Are they going to make you a God of fighting? Probably not, but really it's not the kata's job to apply the techniques. It's the karateka's. In kyokushin we definitely train to fight differently than we move in our Kata. The kata are there to ground us in a foundation and to keep us to the essence of karate. Which is to better ourselves through dedication. That's the purpose of kyokushin karate at the very least, to become a better person through adversity and dedication.

⁠@@user-ko3sd9qj2has someone who practices and has knowledge of karate what from of karate do you recommend would be the best to mix with kickboxing?

Form*

There are no disadvantages. The techniques were not ment for defence. Being called "Uke" is totally misleading. They are elbow and neck breaking techniques, thus MUST be wide.

​​​@@sassukiwith only techniques you cant win man, combat have to many variables! Machida Karate is the best or one of the best karate fighting system out ,there even some ground fighting/ escapes as well!! To many karate schools follow the same path as there teachers and the most karate students without cross training will face big troubles against a technical fighter .

@@dylan_krishna_777 I don't agree. There is no such thing as a "technical" fighter on the street. Thugs are stupid. You beat the hell out of them without ever practicing for competition! All you need is proper kata bunkaï training. And that's where I agree, many dojos are lacking! many copy the stupid beginner bunkaï shown in Nakayama's books, and never go to the next level (which involves as said breaking elbows, joint locking, throwing, etc.)

@@sassuki respect Osu🙏🥋🇯🇵

Hmm

Dude they didn’t do anything to Jiu Jitsu look up Kosen judo

and judo did the same from japanese ju jitsu. But when a non-japanese country modifies/adapts things, many people cry BuT iTs nOt TraDItiOn

@@ola_eboda the judo I had access to was what is practiced in the olympics. however, even so, I have no problem saying that BJJ didn't create something, he just proposed a new approach to Japanese techniques. the controversy over this is pointless. BJJ didn't invent everything, but he didn't invent anything either. things change, that's good.

@@kingartifex Yes. Jigoro Kano's Judo is a modern invention

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I would go to say hi to Mr miyagi 🤣

@@SenseiSeth if you do that, would you do a collaboration with the channel, Karate Dojo Waku? Yusuke could be your interpreter.

I believe that this is possible - especially sport bjj which keeps getting more and more crazy in terms of popular techniques and the rigid rule set (slams come to mind but there are many). Bjj has never been that amazing for self defence anyway tbh No hate though, I’ve been involved in bjj since 2010 and love it

but does it loose some aspects of “karateness” ? at what point does a martial art adopt other martial arts so much that its indistinguishable from, and is just, “mixed martial arts” by another name. I mean, if the central maxim is “self defense” the term Karate itself could be said to just be window dressing. just a thought.

@@natashanicole7408 as far as self defense wrestling may actually be better only in the fact that it teach quick take down and mount and avoiding take downs add boxing and that normally good enough for most self defense situation. (i am assuming in self defense your dealing with some drunk that don't know when to go away) the main issue with bjj will always be that it require you to take someone down and move your body into a favorable position to apply a choke or other submission move. That fine in one on one in the open space area where they nothing to interfere. But self defense can happen anywhere at anytime. Which mean sometimes the best responce is quick punch and avoid being put to the ground.

I think it helps to understand the origins of the different modern Karate styles and what they were intended for. Ashihara karate covers many points covered in this video too but with more fluidity in the motion, as it is a style geared heavily towards street fighting rather than as an exercise or cultural enrichment. Either way, Karate has a huge umbrella of styles under it and one has to find one that works for one's goals.

Bjj is more sport than self defense now with some exceptions I would be willing to learn from it as other martial arts and combat sports but a can't afford it and b have no interest in it as a sport except to help improve the martial art I would prefer Dan zan jujitsu over bjj or practice hakko Ryu jujitsu for personal development some bjj instructors buy into the hype and are arrogant and in it for the money

Super necessary

Nice

You were taught correctly.

That's bullshit, unfortunately. The wide movements are wide (and MUST be wide!) because they are not blocks, but arm breaking techniques. You can't break the elbow of your opponent if you do a small technique. And the hikite must be by the hip, because you're pulling the hand of your opponent while breaking his elbow with your other arm. I find it frustrating that the Machida don't seem to know this, or at least did not communicate this in this video. They seem to be stuck in the "Uke" mentality that was propagated by the JKA.

@@sassuki whats your org

@@wwewrestlingbd8151 in the JKA, but I wasn't taught this in the JKA. JKA is more sports karate than they would like to admit. If you wanna learn the real meaning of the techniques, try to attend a seminar by Sensei Ian Abernethy (Wado-Ryu practitioner)

Always!

@@SenseiSeth lie 😅

100 % dead right. Ceasing a limb in karate olden days of close quarters self defense.

For MMA, hand to hip could be justified as takedown defence- keeping your hand there ready to get underhooks.

When you see karate as incorporating (stand-up) grappling, a lot of aspects make more sense, particularly in kata.

@@TheNEOverse Actually, you do see that technique in MMA. In ground and pound, which should tell us, what it was supposed to do originally.

Right??

@@SenseiSeth Yeah, for real!

karatê dos machida tá fazendo falta nesse país 😅

And it should not adapt, because karate is not a sport. You don't have time to block in the typical close range street fight. You grab the arm of the opponent with the hikite and break it with a wide motion with the so called "Uke" that is actually not an Uke!!

I mean, they are kicking AND punching lol

I mean.... when you start pressure testing any striking style, it becomes similar to kickboxing.....

@@seilaoquemvc2 I mean in some pretty broad ways, yes. That's not only because of certain basic rules to pressure tested striking but also due to being in a modernised globalised world where there's more awareness of the utility of kb and boxing and taking from other arts. With that said even amoung styles that identify as kb styles there is quite a bit of variation. The machidas have "kickboxingafied" their already modified shotokan (I. E. Machida Karate) whilst still retaining a shotokan karate flavour. So personally it still looks distinct from, say, k1 or even old school above the waist American karate influenced kb in its stance and other aspects.

@@TheRasengan300 yes absolutely still different, but it’s only natural that pressure tested striking starts developing very similar techniques no matter where they come from

Kickboxing is a competition format, not a style.

You find the mistakes and then develop solutions, the solution is still karate though

Depends. Some guys become a lot more kickboxing based while others retain a 'sport karate' sort of style. All depends on the individual preference- movement and counters doesn't suit everyone.

@@TheNEOverse I think that's really dependent on what they are training and if they are competing in full-contact sports moreso than anything. There are only so many ways to utilize the human body for a certain task, and there's usually an optimal way of doing so, and this also varies dependent on the fighters build (e.g. a smaller fighter is going to want to get in close and negate range if they can so infighting is more common with guys like Mike Tyson or Mike Zambidis). Once you involve takedowns and leg kicks it gets difficult to use footwork in the same way and you tend to see fighters sink down more rather than remain light on their feet. If you compare Wonderboy to Lyoto, the former tends to be taken down more because he hasn't fully adapted his style for wrestling yet, whilst Lyoto had monstrous takedown defense in his prime and was a more "in your face" type of striker.

There's an optimal way to do anything with the human body, Traditional Boxing (which included kicks, grappling, and weapons) looked a lot like Traditional Karate too. They were both close range striking and grappling hybrid's, and old-school Karate has many offensive and defensive takedown techniques. Most striking styles look very similar when you go full contact for a reason, the difference is usually fighter preference and ability moreso than anything. Kyokushin and Muay Thai evolved to a similar point, as did Shotokan Karate and Savate.

@@AveSicarius Lyoto Machida was very much a 'dance away Karate fairy' in his prime. Very much running around, then lancing people on his left gyakutzuki. When he was in your face, that was mainly to finish fights. But otherwise he was very movement based and not at all in your face. His footwork and long distance made wrestling shots very hard to pull off on him. And he was in fact a capable wrestler himself- he won the Brazilian Sumo Championship after all. He has monstrous takedown defence because he has a wrestling background of his own, coupled with the natural point karate strategy of moving around. Savate does not have the same stance as Karate at all. Guys from that fight with a much more narrow stance and although they do have a familiar bend towards movement and snappier kicks, they box in combination in a way that Shotokan karate straight up discourages. A better comparison would be something like TKD and Shotokan. Similar side on stance. Martial arts do end up looking similar, but there's enough variance to say that you do have a couple of different approaches. And if you are familiar enough with different styles, it is possible to pick out differences.

In german JJ it has been that way since the 60s

@@jansettler4828 Maybe so, this sport really hasn't gained any popularity in the US at all, since by now it's just clothed MMA (minus knees and elbows). So for whatever reason, it's not popular here.

Because karate is not about combat sports, but self defence. This video is totally misleading.

@@sassuki Your arogance is misleading. You are talking about self defense, yet keep using once learned moves in completely ineffective way. Just because you were told to.

Great meeting you too Michael!

Hope you enjoyed it!!

@@SenseiSeth I did! Shared the video to some of my students & on fb & Instagram already lol. Wish I would've known u were in town would've love to said OSS & train with yall. Keep up all the great work brother! Always look forward to ur videos