How did Isildur get to Rivendell? - What does ChatGPT know about Lord of the Rings Lore?

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What does ChatGPT know about the Lord of the Rings universe from Tolkien's books? I ask some lore questions and as "Expert" check out how correct the answers are. This Episode we ask some more difficult questions. Including more linguistic questions regarding pronunciation.
ChatGPT is an machine learning based chatbot (Artificial Intelligence) developed by OpenAI:
openai.com
openai.com/blog/chatgpt/
chat.openai.com
Build Feb 13 (from 2023)
First ChatGPT Episode:
• ChatGPT (AI) vs Lord o...
Misconceptions of the 20 Rings of Power:
• Misconceptions of the ...
Lore of the Young Galadriel:
• The Story of Young Gal...
► Disclaimer:
I have permission of the artists to use their art works.
► Artwork and special thanks to:
Kimberly80 - deviantart.com/kimberly80
Ted Nasmith - tednasmith.com
Jenny Dolfen Art - / jennydolfen or goldseven.wordpress.com - etsy.com/de/shop/JennyDolfen
Pete Amachree - artstation.com/summerpudding
Sara Morello Art - deviantart.com/samo-art
Niahti - artstation.com/niahti
BeneF - deviantart.com/benef
Laura Tolton - deviantart.com/lauratolton
Andrés Bertachini Art - / andresbertachiniart
Firat Solhan - www.artstation.com/firatsolhan
► Sources:
The Lord of The Rings (1954-1955) by J. R. R. Tolkien
The Silmarillion (1977)
The Hobbit (1937; 1951)
Unfinished Tales (1980)
The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien (1981)
The Peoples of Middle-earth (1996)
The War of The Jewels (1994)
Morgoth's Ring (1993)
History of the Hobbit (2007)
The Nature of Middle-earth (2021)
TolkienGateway.net
Maps:
Amazon (John Howe)
Edited by: Murdo
Aman map by ThePhilosophersGames
► Mistakes:
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► Playlists:
If you are interested in Tolkien's legendary fantasy Epic The Lord of the Rings and his related works, here some recommendations:
Recommended Lore Videos - • Who are Tolkien's Wiza...
Book/Film Differences Series - • LotR Prologue Explaine...
► Time Codes:
Intro - 0:00
Hints - 0:54
What doe the two dots above vowels mean - 2:01
How is Sméagol pronounced - 5:46
Different versions of Celeborn - 10:25
How did Isildur get to Rivendell from Minas Ithil? - 14:47
Would the 7 Rings of the Dwarves make the invisible? - 20:27
Outro - 26:55
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@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Hope you liked the second part of this video ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bdVgdbecuNLDoJ8.html ). Do you want to see more of this (as you voted in the community tab), or is it getting old fast? Thank you to the artists (links in the description): Kimberly80 Ted Nasmith Jenny Dolfen Art Pete Amachree

@MarleyFett Жыл бұрын

Yes you can treat him like a guest, maybe give him a name. 😁

@tsuchan Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the long awaited part two. It could also be fun to use ChatGPT together on a live stream some time.

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Thank oyu as well ^^ Yes for sure. I think we did one time, either last stream or the one before that ^^ Chat could suggest questions.

@aresaurelian Жыл бұрын

It would be wonderful to journey again with you, Chris, into the mountains, the fords, the fields, and the forests, with a good AI search chat to guide our leisure. Much appreciated.

@PleaseNThankYou Жыл бұрын

How interesting! I don't think I've seen anyone else in the realm discuss this .

@WhoIsCalli Жыл бұрын

Fun experiment, great stuff Chris

@markmillonas1896 Жыл бұрын

I had about a 2 hour conversation recently with ChatGPT, and was pretty impressed. I'm not surprised based on that experience that it would be superb with nerd lore of any type. Of course I was testing its limits the whole time - cheeky of me, and at least in Stanislaw Lem short stories, potentially annoying to the AI. The self-referential questions of course are always the most revealing. One of the things that I came up with is that I asked if it (ChatGPT) though it was more of a fox or a hedgehog. It totally got that reference as well as coming up with a valid, if non-committal (incredibly boring), answer. It started talking about the "story" of the fox and the hedgehog, and when I corrected that the "original" was no "story" but simply a single surviving line of poetry by Archilochus of Paros (5th century BCE) that probably survived on some mummy wrappings it apologized and explained the origin of both the original and the much later story based on it in perfect detail. Also, in every case ChatGTP provided at least a notch MORE detailed information than I expected - at least at this early stage in our relationship. In every case I did learn something new. The downside, for me at least, is that ChatGPT is hard-programmed to keep reiterating to its users that is is strictly an informational waiter serving up what you order. Way short of being able to have a real artificial relationship with it, it is at pains to constantly remind you that it is NOT a human, and will always completely demure whenever the territory is even approached. We had a bit of a conversation where I asked if its creators were specifically worried that some users might think it was a human, but it kept towing the party line on this issue as well as any North Korean tour guide. Bah! This is what happens when the bean counters get a hold of things. Apparently I would prefer my AIs - like my women - with at least a touch of interesting psychosis. I like that she is so smart, but would prefer if she was a bit nearsighted - with horn rimed glasses maybe - from reading all those books and articles. If only there was some way to get her to let her hair down from that tight librarian's bun she is sporting - but it might as well be carved out of cold stone. In short I wish she was actually more of a fox (good at many things), and less such an unabashed hedgehog.😉

@MisterLambda Жыл бұрын

Interestingly, in Swedish, there are three additional letters in the alphabet, (Å Ä Ö), however these are not just variations of A and O with umulats - just as the letter R is not a variation of the letter P. However the letter ä is pronounced as a sort of ‘ae’ sound, so if I were to read Eärendil in Swedish it would be actually be the correct pronunciation. Side note, the letter Ä also exists in Norwegian and Danish, however the letter instead looks like (æ Æ), which is kind of funny since it just looks like a literal fusion of those two letters.

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Yes In German we have Ä, Ö as well and Ü. The Å is I think the Norse long A that sound more like an O sound. Diaeresis (the two dots) are in this case not a new letter though, just a hint that E and A don't "smear" together like AE/Æ in case of Ä, but instead are pronounced separately. E-a-rendil. It's not an Umlaut sign in this case. It has not funcktio of changing the vowel, but it just shows there is no diphthong. It's also optional to write those.

@MisterLambda Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Ah sorry I did mean to say accents, not umlauts. Also I was actually coincidently talking with the AI today, and did you know it can even speak Sindarin and Quenya? It will even attempt to generate actual Tengwar script if you ask it to, but it just posts some incompatible image encoding since it has no way of sharing images. I’m sure there’s a way to paste it into some sort of image viewer to actually see what it generates but I couldn’t figure it out.

@rickythe2nd63 Жыл бұрын

How fascinating it is to read such intricate, nuanced lingual discourse from two individuals of two different nationalities, neither of which having English as their first language, yet discussing in nearly PERFECT English, letters in their [Germanic and Nordic, respectively] languages, and Latin/Old English (æ: the letter ash), AND ELVISH! This is sublime and beautiful! Bravo!!!

@Augustus_Imperator Жыл бұрын

"Describe Khazad-dum at the height of its glory and wealth in Tolkien's style" 👀👀👀

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Yes that would be an interesting thing to ask the bot

@jakubpiska1816 Жыл бұрын

Great video! The boat trip by Isildur makes way more sense to me then the proposed rout by land. Travel by sea is far quicker than on foot or horse and way more comfortable. Especially when you have to cross a mountain range along the way. Travel by rivers and sea was from what I know the preferred way of travel in the middle ages. So I would not call it unrealistic :)

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

You are ofc right and I should have phrased it better in the video. The basic idea behind it is very realistic, as you say. It's potentially also the safer route. What I meant (and seems strange to me) is that Isildur's wife does not stay in either Lindon (which would make most sense to me) or Annûminas (where Elendil lives and Isildur must travel to) to give birth to Valandil, but instead travels to Rivendell. Because Valandil is born in Rivendell. There was an old version where he s born in Annúminas, but that Tolkien changed to Rivendell I think.

@jakubpiska1816 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames Yep, that part does not make sense.

@pwmiles56 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames I think it make perfect sense for Valandil to be born in Rivendell. The Last Alliance musters there, circa S.A.3431, before the actual war begins in 3434.. So naturally Elendil, Isildur and his family would be at Rivendell

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

But he is born Second Age 3430 and Isildur escaped with his family 3429 from Minas Ithil. It's very close together.

@mariyontil Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. If you are German, it might be worthwhile to make a video on Mîms Klage, which does not seem to be published in the original English for some reason.

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Yes I plan to do so, I have already ordered the book with the text in it. A very nice member of my community also asked me if I could look into it and also gave me some information on it. Not sure when I will make this video though. PS: Also thank you too, glad you liked the video 😄

@tirzahgayla Жыл бұрын

just listened more closely - is it learning from your questions?? of course it is, that's how AI works- so interesting

@MarleyFett Жыл бұрын

How is it that the dwarves were the last to be fighting and make Glarung and his meanies retreat, but one Balrog can kill Durin and kick all the Dwarves out of Khaza-dum? 🤔😅. Ask it that.😁

@PleaseNThankYou Жыл бұрын

Hullo, Chris! I have a question for your bot... "How do YOU know the answers?"

@highstimulation2497 Жыл бұрын

how did Isildur GOT to rivendell????????????

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

I explain it at 15:23 min (After Gondor is attacked before the Last Alliance is established, Isildur travels to his father and his son is born in Rivendell; the Last Alliance also camps in Rivendell for quite some time)

@Wimpiethe3 Жыл бұрын

Eagles. In doubt it's always eagles.

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

😄

@yannickramouillet3742 Жыл бұрын

I am french and the french "j" like in "je" is nothing compared to the german "ch" like in Bach, and is clearly not pronounced like Sméaghol is. We don't have the voiceless velar fricative in french but briton has it and we use it to transcribe spanish words Why do you pronounce Manwë like "manwø". Tolkien and his son stated that it is "manwé" with the end "e" being a close-mid front unrounded vowel. Is it a german habit ?

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information. Just to avoid confusion: it's a voiced velar fricative, so the voiced version the German CH after the vowels A O U (excluding diminutives) if you pronounce it vela and not uvular. I think it's more common in Dutch and I'm not gut at making that sound 😄 Yes, I try to say it (IPA) /'manwe/ but I often say /'manwɛ/ or even /'manwə/. I guess if I get very sloppy it can almost sound like a short /ø/ I guess it's a German thing, because /ɛ/ is often the pronunciation for the short E here and /ə/ for the E at the end of a word as in "Falle" /ˈfalə/) It's my way of avoiding it sound stressed. Esp. at the end of sentence my voice has to go down as well.

@yannickramouillet3742 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames yes of course the g in Sméagol is pronounced "ɣ"= voiced velar fricative but isn't the Ch in Bach or doch a voiceless velar fricative !? I speak a bit of german and I have always heard Germans say it so (Wikipedia says it too)

@ThePhilosophersGames Жыл бұрын

Yes, the CH in German (Bach, doch) is voiceless. I think if it's pronounced as velar fricative or uvular depends maybe a bit on the vowel (and maybe region), but it's also hard to hear the difference 😄 I was just confused, because you wrote "we don't have the voiceless velar fricative" and maybe I pronounced it bad in the video and caused confusion with this

@yannickramouillet3742 Жыл бұрын

@@ThePhilosophersGames yes sorry it was not clear, I was just saying that this sound is not present in french. English is not the first language to the both of us so I think you'll understand 😉. You're making a very good work, congratulations and best wishes