Andrew DiMartino that's what you get every time you get a stomach wound

True, but you would probably die from the injury before the infection really sets in if it caused that much organ damage. Plus the torso is the second most likely place to be armored, with fewer gaps than leg armor. I was thinking mainly about the guy that was lucky enough to not be impaled but unlucky enough to have a more minor wound that would be a more slow painful death, the twisted irony!

+Andrew DiMartino the ase is protected by maile, but the back of the thigh and knee is not

"They never tell you how they all shit themselves when they die." - Robert Baratheon

@@xinfinity8532 Chausses and later on mail shorts/drawers were worn to cover those areas.

Normal username we need to know!!

@Caramel Johnson I think he meant because of constant sweating perhaps?

I think they just hit that area really hard until the itch goes away

oh i can feel that

Those long, plastic knitting needles are great!

I think in the heat of battle they wouldn't be worrying about if their nose was itchy lol

Gotta

@Caramel Johnson im 5% scottish

Anyone thinking: ARK's defecation, while wearing Armor? Also: valid argument for Barbarians and their attire: "No Armor means easier bathroom breaks"

How about this: a bathroom emergency situation in Armor arises, you're in the woods, doing your thing, and here comes a really pissed off boar. (Heard that in a movie ounce) Would that be considered as Plot Armor?

A soldier that has not ready his weapon at hand at all times deserves to die in shame. You don't want your mother to receive a letter saying "Your son was killed from taking an unarmed dump while being totally useless in the defense of his country"

I seem to recall reading about how it was so bad, that the archers just stripped below the waist and let it drop where they stood. And were basically up to their ankles in their own waste. I don't recall the source for this though. It does give a rather vivid and horrific image of disease's impact though.

That, I believe, came from Keegan. Most scholars these days, however, believe that the archers had untied their hose for better ease of movement on the muddy battlefield.

+Colonel Sponsz What if it is liquid shit, now your armor will stink

I also recall reading about a siege during the crusades but I don't remember which one.But basically muslims where besieging a city held by crusaders for an extended period of time.That led to dysentery outbreak inside the city and when they assault came most the defenders had ripped the part of the pants under their ass.The muslim historian who wrote about this mentioned that after the siege the streets smelled like shit more than anything else

Imagine a poor guy having dysentery while in full plate armor. Bumm... relief... brown liquid poop everywhere.

Too soon...

Assassins creed revelations be like

But isn't it Istanbul?

Indoor Kite we don’t say that here

can you explain exactly what this joke means and what that has to do with being early

Now I am imagining a knight riding into battle with a chest cloth saying "I soiled myself in battle and all I got was this embarrassing shirt".

Two man at arms, one goblet

Papadragon18 ahhahahaha

Not read his war of the roses series, but loved the ones on Caesar and Genghis Khan.

That's MREs for you. Those things will clog you right up.

People had different reactions, I know at least a couple Marines that had the opposite reaction, although that may have been poor hygiene come to think of it.... Regardless, the main reason I wouldn't put it on MREs is because I didn't shit regularly for like a week in boot camp, and we were eating chow hall food. I think stress just bottles you up.

Cook At boot camp I think it's the unfamiliarity with the open stalls that causes people to not want to shit for the first week or so. By the end, it comes natural. After the Crucible when you have the warrior's breakfast, you have 85-odd recruits stinking up the squad bay in the worst way ever.

I think it's part stress and part your body just putting on its game face. I have the same reaction now when I go shoot plastic pellets at my friends after a normal breakfast, or when I do HEMA stuff. I mean you do eventually have to do it, and I would think there were plenty of brown-trousers moments in medieval battles, but I don't think it was that hard to manage your pooping as long as you didn't mind having an audience.

I think MREs are designed to give you minor constipation.

I've seen similar accounts from a number of conflicts. The worst were from the trenches of WWI, when dysentery left men so weakend that they often wallowed and drowned in the mud mixed with excrement, lacking the strength to stand.

You'd think they'd have future soldiers wearing diapers to offset this. But that would be more embarrassing than serve any type of tactical purpose

Do your duty before your duty in that way you save both Never piss or shit in your pants and save your time just do the things in the right

World War One , I read during Seven Year War in one battle the French army had dysentery so bad they was ordered not to wear pants. Then In W . W. One I read men made diapers . Not something you write home about. I'd say in real battle not reenactments many would have had made diapers. It would have been a hell to clean under field conditions even to find water . Wood ash most common ,if lucky. vinegar It's a older post ,just thought on the hell of warr..

madichelp0 How is it "awkward"? Are you twelve years old?

Thank you very much!

Not the nobles, they'd probably be the best fed.

GrimTitan Probably blood and mud? Maybe some knights peed themselves, but I doubt a knight would poop inside their armor during combat.

I seem to recall something similar. I think it was from a TV show on the History Channel or something, so grain of salt needed (at least they didn't say aliens cleaned the armor). But even without the feces or urine, I could see cleaning out the sweat and blood and such being important. Sweat will probably rust armor pretty well considering it's salt content.

+GrimTitan Squires were the maids of Knights back in the day

You too, huh? There is no looking down in an interceptor. Much less so in an MTV.

When I was checking out when I EASed, they were issuing out the MTVs. I never wore one myself. I envy the kids these days with their plate carriers and high cut helmets and M27s and silencers and dual tube NVGs. They have WAY better toys than we did in my day

@@MrEvanfriend They ride better than the interceptor, but they cover much more and get hotter and heavier, unless you count the interceptor with the side SAPIs. I got one the year before I EAS'd. Yeah, these kids have real nice stuff! I think their helmets could float too. My grandpa was a Korean War vet and he would always wonder how we could even move with all of our gear.

That sounds like a pretty cool project! Is it one of Bashford Dean's armors?

Yes! I read Dean's book on World War 1 armour a while back and was just fascinated by it. We're trying to recreate the "Light Body Armor" that he helped develop. Even though Dean's book is full of details both me and the armourer I'm working with wish it included more.

+Vesrox WW1 Plate armor interesting project

In a military sense, camouflage as we know it would have been basically useless. Camouflage is meant to break up the silhouette of a person and help them to blend in with the environment around them, which really wouldn't have been necessary in a medieval or even Renaissance battle where early firearms would have been used. Battles were mostly fought either on a predetermined battlefield, out in the open with both armies already in view of one another, or as smaller scale skirmishes that took place wherever they happened to be at the time. Our modern camouflage patterns evolved out of a need to conceal troops from an enemy that uses firearms exclusively, which are much more accurate and have greater range than the muskets and arquebus of those days. Warfare has undergone dramatic changes since then, bearing little (if any) resemblance to pitched battles involving armies concentrated in block formations. Medieval hunters, however, have been known to use branches and bits of greenery to hide the silhouette of their face, as well as wearing green clothing to better blend in with the forests while hunting deer. Gray was known to be used in the winter, instead of green, mostly while hunting wild boar. There are some writings you can research that go into deeper detail about hunting in medieval times, if you're interested, but you may have to find translations for them if you can't read the languages into which they've already been translated; Les livres du roi Modus et de la reine Ratio Livre de Chasse-which has an English translation called The Master of Game, with some added chapters pertaining to English hunting. It can be found here: www.archive.org/stream/masterofgameoldexx00edwa/masterofgameoldexx00edwa_djvu.txt

+Shaek Wrestler during the 1700s some British redcoats soldiers(light infantry) and american snipers had camouflage. You can be camouflaged if you wear a green gambeson with black pants in the woods, or white gambeson and pants during winter. But it is impossible to camouflage with plate or mail. But there is one way to camouflage with plate and that is wearing a surcoat color that matches the color of the environment

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Taijess Basnaw Lindybeige talked about this in a video and gave account of a Greek warrior who lost his vision in battle without having any injury (he probably saw sights so gruesome his brain entered a state of shock and turned his eyes "off").

PTSD is a result of modern "more effective" training.

@Fisher Lobdell You don't know what you're talking about.

PTSD is partly a result of our modern Western culture that abhors killing other human beings. In medieval times violence was constantly present in everyday life even outside military service; from brutish parenting methods to the relatively high chance of getting attacked by robbers, or dying from horrible diseases like the plague, or witnessing bloody executions and mutilated corpses of criminals, witches and heretics. People were used to seeing horrors. On the other hand, our (Finnish) WW2 veterans have stated that the most stressful situations they faced were long-lasting artillery shellings -- stuff you can't do anything about. They said it was terrible hearing the guns fire, because they knew that the sky would crash down upon them 20 seconds later, and all they could do was to hope it won't strike them too close. Yet they intercepted and stopped the massive Red Army with the help of their own artillery's supremely accurate fire that obliterated entire enemy divisions. Already WW1 gave birth to the term "shell shock", referring to soldiers who had lost their sanity under artillery bombardment. I guess that modern weaponry is in many ways so unnatural when compared to close-range melee combat (or even ranged combat where you can still see your enemy) that our psychology simply hasn't been designed to cope with it that well.

Poop is funny

It depends on the specific piece. What you're really seeing is my slow recovery from shoulder surgery, so most of my armor was made to 'pre-surgery' measurements, not when I lost a whole bunch of weight afterwards (which is around when I started making videos), so it hasn't been too much of an issue as I gain weight again, but it can absolutely cause all kinds of problems for armor.

its hardly childish, it's just a question everyone can relate to.

Maybe most knight poop and piss before each Battle formation after all you dont eat and drink during a battle if You don't drink You dont have to pie a lot. And you can hold your poop for one or two days is not that hard.

@@gorg9928 I already dont have to pie a lot.

I wonder if there were any arming garments that had potty flaps like those goofy old-timey pajamas? XD

What book?

SpellMonger series warmage. It was used for comedic effect

They have been wearing their armor since the age of 7, they are used to it

What?

Knights have been training in full plate armor for yrs, heatstroke will not be a problem. But there is a way, lift you visor or remove your helmet. Those are two basic methods

Training only gets you so far. All human beings, regardless of training are susceptible to heat injuries. Even in the modern military, the most conditioned and physically fit people can and do still succumb to heat exhaustion and heat stroke if they're not careful. In period, training had to do with it, climate probably played a part, there's the logistical side of supplying water to the men-at-arms (which I'd like to know more about), but at the end of the day we (at least I) don't know how else they mitigated the dangers of heat exposure. Knights were not superhuman.

I don't know if it would fully help as lots of times at least a portion of the people will have diarrhea due to dysentery in this period

@@trevdestroyer8209them with dysentery tended not to be in armor or fighting, as evidenced by Henry V sending his ill back to England prior to Agincourt.

But isn't a constipated soldier a grumpy and distracted soldier?