Greetings people did you know that you can still get early access to duels just by watchin the Stream on Twitch!?!?! Whaat thats like insane twitch.tv/solem

I'm broke so I just play Priest and use Thought Steals and Mind Visions to take expensive cards from my richer opponents.

Conclusion: Hearthstone is pay to fun

Easy solution: Get one account for each class you want to play. Kappa.

Introduce a wild card system. Wild cards for different rarities drop in every 5 or ten packs and can be redeemed for any card of that rarity. That way people are still incentivized to buy packs but you can actually open the things you need without the odds being a billion to one

Riot's Runeterra is much more... 'clever" in it's monetisation. Main monetisation focus is cosmetics (not cards), and those cosmetics are awesome. Like custom skin for your side of board, with exclusive soudtrack and animations (with new KDA board you can even change the track) A pet with different animations Tons of emotions Battle pass (for more cosmetics) Cardbacks ofc. I'm pretty sure there will be different card animations soon. As a result i feel no restrictions in deck experementations, and i can just buy the Bilgewater board because i "want" it, not cause i "need"it. I fill up my collecton to max long before new cards go out without excessive grinding, often not caring about quests at all.

I always say "pay to play more than one class"

It wouldn't be pay2whatever if gold wasn't so rare.

A card market in a digital card game like HS has many problems, like alt accounts... Maybe only allow players with all classes level 20-30 to buy and sell cards.

It's not p2w if you play wild Join the wild today

the reason people can live with themselves spending 500 on a Yugioh deck is because there is resell value

Yo Solem Now there are 10 old gods in the game 3 C'thun (normal, boomsday, darkmoon) 3 N'zoth (normal, darkmoon hero, darkmoon cards) 2 Yogg (normal and darkmoon) 2 Y'Shaarj (normal and darkmoon) I remember giving you a cookie for the 3 old gods deck, so how about a proportional offer of 3,33 cookies to play this ?

Just read the title, and my first response was “Hell yeah! Is that even a question?!”

So I've been playing hearthstone on and off for 3 years, completely free to play, I never spent a dime. I'm level 40ish with 3 characters, I have 2 complete decks and a deck I need to improve on along with a new one I want to make. AFTER 3 YEARS OF PLAYING?!!? Thats pretty absurd and I'm forced to play 3 classes AFTER 3 YEARS because I have to disenchant every other card I get. This game is seriously busted with its grind and prices but the game and decks I made are really fun so here I am playing a price gouging game. Also the most messed up thing this game has done to me is when I had a shaman deck and needed a certain card to make it better, that was ONLY available halfway through an adventure that made me save up 2800 gold over a few months. Its absurd.

Imaging getting each week a sale dissenchant like this weeks sale is reno jackson u can dissenchant it for 800 dust and craft it for 800,get 10 cards each week to craft/dissenchant 2 legendaries 3 epics and 5 rares

Don't use the word "investment". You will never get a return on that investment.

What about we make are able to unlock every card from the current expansion directly by just playing the game. No packs, no dust, no RNG with card gaining. Maybe you unlock tokens of each rarity as you play so you can choose which card you want to unlock of that rarity. Like the new progression path they are adding, but with just tokens and maybe some cosmetics. Then Blizzard can monetize all the other cosmetic stuff and let the players actually use all the cards they made without RNG deciding their fate.

Almost 3 years later, this video is so relevant. Whenever I have an itch to play hearthstone again, I feel some kind of barrier. And you described this barrier perfectly. I know the game will gate the fun to try and nickel and dime me.

Hearthstone economy is a joke. Idk why they bother asking the community what they want to change in the game when they blatantly ignore the top choice which is always the economy. The duplicate protection system is a joke, last 5 legendaries ive opened were duplicates.

The Yu-Gi-Oh thing was quite odd, since this is digital and the cards have next to zero actual value in the secondary market. With paper tcgs there's resale value and actual return on investment.

Hearth$tone, where a woefully incomplete expansion to your game is more expensive than an entire AAA video game during a steam sale.

Hearthstone needs something like the shrine of secrets from dead by daylight. Every week, 10 or so cards will be free to use for everyone, and discounted if you would like to craft them

Me spending to get an all golden deck Pay to be cool

im full f2p playing since 2015 and it's not that bad. i don't even dust wild cards (that were good and i can't make deck with them). i usually have 1-2 tier 1 decks, few tier 2. and some wild decks like razakus, cube warlock, even shaman. i'll recommend people to play wild more often because you don't have to create new deck every 4 months.

Whizbang being a mechanism to give players a chance to test out decks is a great idea.

Hearthstone used to be my favorite card game of all time, I even went so far as to spend 200$ on it, a choice that I do not regret since I believe good games should be rewarded in some way, especially if they are free to play. The thing is, I am an expairimenter. I like learning through making mistakes and adjusting my strategy. The problem with Hearthstone is that making mistakes is extremely painful as far as deck building goes. If I burn a bajillion dust to build a crazy idea for a deck I had and it turns out to suck I can't just go back and use those resources to make another deck: disenchanting only returns an abysmal 25% of the dust you put into a deck. While the game does give good avenues for getting cards either through spending money or time it just isn't worth it. I don't want to either grind for two monthes to get enough dust for a deck, or else shell out 100$ dollars to get enough dust to make my deck. I played Hearthstone from Whispers of the Old Gods all the way to League of Villains. I had a lot of fun with this game, but I've since moved onto other digital card games.

As a Yu-gi-oh player, I’d love to add that when you buy a full meta deck, you can always SELL it again when you’re bored when in Hearthstone, well tous dust them...

I'm not getting tired to say: - Shaft Classic and Basic Set - Make a 'Core' Set with 66% staying and 33% new cards each HS year Whizzbang would be a wonderful addition to such a set.

Pay to have fun! That's the point

If you spend that money on a Yu-Gi-Oh deck, you now have the deck and can _resell it_ in the future if you want. Money you put into Hearthstone (just like every other gacha game) might as well disappear into the void.

The funny thing is that all they have to do to help f2p is change dust numbers to help new players, yet they will never do. Imagine if they change disenchant legendary from 400 to an actual fair amount

Great video, as always! Talking about how expensive Hearthstone is,i saw that arena rewards are huge if you reach at least 7 victories, but i've never done more than 4. I thought it would be helpful and interesting if you can do a video about how to play arena and how to do build a good deck for it... Again, good video and thank you for all beautiful contents you bring on KZfaq ☺️

These ideas sound so good! I would definitely play hearthstone again if either of these ideas were implemented.

The Legendary token you mention is basically the "Champion Wildcard" from Legends of Runeterra. I really like that idea.

I used to play FFA till there got a point where absurd legendaries became too frequent. Then I became Mr. Face and killed opponent on turn 5/6 before they could play their absurd legendries. Eventually I got fed up and uninstalled the game.

This was a great video. I think you covered all the details pretty well. And since our pasts in terms of games seem to be pretty similar i was wondering if you were as surprised as i was when you saw how restrictive Hearthstone was and is in terms of card acquisition compared to a game like Yu-Gi-Oh! (and others if you have played others). I couldn't believe how pricey everything was and still can't

Absolutely great video!

the "problem" with card trading, you make a new account and even if it's trade legendary for legendary, you trade your cho for like zephrys and your profit 1200

I keep thinking a subscription model might work better with people paying a (small) fee each month for access to the competitive ladder and package complete access to the all of the cards in an expansion with that.

It's the second time I see you comparing the free rotation of champs in League with Hearthstone. We could use something like that, but take a look at Legends of Runeterra since they're greatly f2p with stuff like wildcards and tons of rewards weekly. That's where HS devs should be aiming, not with a battle pass that barely improves anything

Ima build that Reno mage when zephyr rotates from standard, only missing 7 legendary cards and 1 epic.

Great video!

One channel said it takes around 262 or 230 packs to complete one set.

I'm a ftp player and as long as I do the quests every day I get enough gold to buy 60ish packs and with the new thing that doesn't let you open two of the same card I get every rare and most epics...then enough dust to craft almost any deck I want.

its more like "pay to have fun"

I’ve recently been wanting to try out mechathun warlock, so I started opening boomsday packs to get it and soularium, and in the meantime had crafted hemet (still need dorean). However while opening boomsday packs, I opened myra’s element, which is good in mechathun rogue, but I crafted hemet for warlock. So it’s kinda frustrating being a free to play player and getting stuck in a situation where I crafted a legendary for one deck, then end up getting a key piece for a similar deck for a different class. If I choose to go rogue now, hemet is a waste of a craft, if I choose warlock, Myra was a waste of a legendary open. I think this about sums up how it feels to want to play fun decks but get shafted by card costs because holy hell legendaries are expensive

The League free champion rotation has actually gotten better as they increased the number of champions on the rotation and also every time a new champ is released, they are on the rotation 2 weeks after they are released so if you dont have the currency to buy them, you can still wait a bit for you to play them and try them out for free

Obligatory LOR has a much more generous reward system comment

I still dont have a shield slam and ive been playing for 1,5 years. I think it is ptw, yes

I completely agree with the idea of trading cards or dust for cards with other players. That was always a fun and exciting thing to do with physical card games and it seems no online card game ever has the option because they are always worried about making the most money. Which is sad and ultimately hurts the bottom line anyway.

Pay to win doesn't mean just literally pay $70 for +5% damage. Two new players might jump in and look at the same hunter deck recipe. One player uses suboptimal substitutes and the other payed money so they craft better cards and win matches that the other player wouldn't. Even with the example of the top tier budget deck, you have less room to experiment with what works and what decks are easier for you. Sure a top player can rocket to legend with any tier 1/2 deck but a typical player might have a 49% winrate with one of those decks and 51% with the one they can't afford. They lose 2 in 100 games because they didn't pay to win.

I have been playing HS since 2016, but I always used to get bored and stop playing for months or even a whole year. Until now. A few weeks ago I disenchanted all the cards that I didn't need, and got enough dust to build my own deck. This very afternoon I arrived to legend with a mech hunter deck with only 1 legendary, and I got that one for free. I just mean that if you do your dailies for like 2 or 3 months you will be able to get enough dust to get a strong deck

great video!

what happens when your entire class gets nerfed into the ground or becomes unplayable during a certain expansion though?

Just getting the big bundle and most of the bundles with hero portraits or wild bundles. I have been saving dust for a long time just playing with what I had and in the last months I have began to blow it up. Got 6 full golden decks(otk murloc, murloc paladin, kingsbane, reno priest, murloc highlander shaman, quick spell mage) and another 3 I was goign to finish golden (dmh, renolock, agro druid) before there was the xpansion announcement. And still have an extra 50k dust At the end of the day is about resources management and not wasting on standard deck that are only good for a few months.

“Build a deck around the first legendary you get” Yeah the first legendary I got was a golden Millhouse Manastorm.. 😑

Solem, love the AH idea 👍 and yes, Duels needs to be re-designed. I have every single standard card and absolutely no wild cards - and I will not be playin duels even if I would like to, just bc of the fact, that my opponent has an advantage big enough for me to stay away from it

Love your channel! Just found you a few days ago and subbed up. You have great videos! I will say though, spending $500 on a card game is most certainly not that uncommon.

Something like csgos skin market would be cool. Like, sure youd have to pay money in order to get a certain card, but it isnt random what you get, additionally that you get like 1/4 of the cost when you disenchant is just hilarious and selling or trading them would be awesome!

Short answer: Yes, it is.

i literally got an ad from the cheese cake shop，and the santa was asking the elf guy ”did you preorder？” and the elf guy was like of course！

Great ideas in this video! Doubt Blizzard will apply though.

I think a problem may arise if duel was not collection based. If we all had access to the same cards it will just be everyone using the same best deck of the current available sets. Now I know this sounds like it would happen either way but by having it be based on cards we own, most people will be forced to experiment due to their missing cards and probably not want to go out of their way to just do well in duels.

Honestly, I only buy the $80 pre-order (and sometimes the $50 preorder) and do daily quests I pretty much can play any deck I want.

Id love to see some kind of system where we can choose our favorite Class on order to get more cards for them. Also i just make sure to hit legend in classic and play lots of arena matches. Free cards every month

I feel like epics need a fix, they're terribly overpriced with small effects and very limited use

Did solem mention he has a full golden warlock this video: yes

The problem with only being able to play one class is that card changes, expansions whatever, can easily make that class completely non-viable in the meta. So for example right now I doubt I am going to clear the 5 win weekly quest, because I simply cannot build a deck which is capable of achieving 5 wins. You don't even need the game to change, simple shifts in the meta itself can leave card limited players totally stranded.

Pokemon trading card game online has a system where people can trade cards and packs with other players very similar to the system you are describing

Yes! I love the idea. Thats the first thing I do with my 17 packs each expansion. Is try to figure out how to use my crappy legendaries

asking ''is HS P2W'' is the equivalent of asking "is HS a card game'' imo

I think HS would benefit from converting to a wildcard system like magic.

the auction is a good idea, that we all thought about sometime but blizzard would loose a ton of money if they did sth like that! Nobody would spend money anymore to get packs for dust etc. if they knew they could trade or pay less than 50% of the card value.

Hit the nail on the head...never able to make the decks I want because I get useless junk and don't want to spend more then 2 cyberpunks to get more

You can pay with your wallet or pay with your soul. Ben Brode still has my soul.

God I remember playing Warlock with tons of "discover" cards and Jaraxxus back then... really fun ^^

Your idea is really great, but, tell me, where small indie company can find the resources to create this ?

I would absolutely love the day trading idea

My brother is the only person I know, that reached legend without investing 1 cent in this game. He just lived his non busy study life and played arena until his eyes bled. That was 3 years ago and he only played control hunter and control warrior

Solem is learning the fine art of the clickbait I'm proud of you

Ive been playing since gvg and havnt spent a dime on hearthstone, yet I still only have 2 or 3 decent decks per expansion even with my built up dust

Hearthstone is too expensive, but thats old news :P Good video though, love the auction house idea!

Yep I have ~65% winrate on whizbang in 500+ games and i have fun unless I get a priest deck

On the idea of the player market. There's this old ass digital tcg from 2006 that I play, called Urban Rivals. In that game there is a player market that is 100% under the control of players. You can buy and sell cards for the in the game currency and if you like that sort of thing you can definitely make bank just playing the market. I always wanted to see that idea tried in more games

I played the game for 3.5 years every week or so and just collected dust and then i bought the reno expansion and crafted reno mage in wild and made it to legend then i felt like there is nothing left for me t do so i quit untill now. Im just getting back to the game

when the reckful shirt comes out of nowhere 14:26 man.... RIP reckful ;_;

I have played hearthstone since it come out of beta. I have only bought packs 3 times since it released and I got to diamond 5 on European wild server, last month. If I button down and only play real decks I would make legend with little trouble, but I play fun decks in wild because wild is for blowing off steam. Wild is the casual format

I only played 1 month in standard. I only played wild, moreover I could play mostly the same decks.

Hi Solem. Can I ask you something? A few weeks ago I found your video with cheap decks to get legend. I crafted one of those. The discardlock.But last season I got only gold 2 . And now I can't reach even that. Can it be ,that this deck isn't good anymore?

There's a reason why I just play wild. Because I can actually use the legendaries I crafted in the long run. And I just play mage because they can have a way to deal with everything... And yes, I have every legendary in the mage class :D

I just want to point out that as a yugioh player a new set JUST dropped and unless the cards are in the top 10% of the cards in the set most of them can be picked up for pennies. Secondary markets are so nice for tcgs

The day trading idea would be perfect for hearthstone

2:06 He actually saw play in standart murlock-mage deck 3 years ago ;DDD

The player auction house is essentially Gods Unchained, but there you get etherium which is worth real$.

By just completing daily quest and gold for 3 wins j have 7000-8500 whenever new expansions got realeased. That give me all commons and rares , 50% of epics and 3-5 legendaries. J just buld a deck around legendaries j got and maybe craft 2 more legendaries and most important epics.

Just make it so common cards disenchant for 10 dust and rare cards disenchant for 25. That way across all rarity of cards there is a 1/4 sell cost of the original dust cost of the card

I been playing Hearthstone since its first expansion, and I never spend any money on it. I have two accounts, the first one is in China, and I can only play it in mainland China. And the other is in the North America. I will say different areas, your opponents style and decks are different too. And I think it can still be FUN WITHOUT spent any MONEY on Hearthstone. Plus, I feel like now all the epic and legendary cards became more common to get from packs now.

all the money i was saving for cyberpunk got junked on God of war 2018 and the HS tavern pass, yep.

Last time I was this early you could play around your opponents cards in hearthstone

I haven't spend a penny on the game and recently found that I have at least a playable wild deck for every class except for druid, but I gotta say that my account was created when the open beta started (I had a huge time not playing since TGT and only started playing seriously on RoS), and only now I am able to say that. Also, it means that I mustn't fail almost any quest to mantain that. I think HS isn't very friendly to p2w, but it's possible to play, wild format it's better for that matter. About the ideas suggested in the video, the first is terrible (look at paper tcg's market, that's awful), but the second one I liked. Those simple things could help a lot to the game to be less cash grabbing, but that's the opposite to the blizzard policies, so...