This video is ridiculous. First off, driving at highway speeds and hauling a 6,000 pound trailer, eats into range. If you'd driven on back roads, your EV range will be better

@@bradmagnuson6963 The point was to compare the two trucks. People don’t tow taking back roads, they select the shortest/ fastest route between two points, which is generally the highway. Driving back roads versus the highway can double or triple the trip time, and your range is still going to be abysmal compared to a gas vehicle. You seem angry that they essentially proved electric trucks aren’t viable for towing. It isn’t their fault that electric trucks aren’t realistic for towing.

@@stevenbrace8579 no, wrong. They didn't think BEFORE they did this comparison. You clearly know nothing about electric vehicles, except what this video showed

@@bradmagnuson6963 no, wrong. two trucks were compared in the same scenario, and EV F150 turned out to be impractical.

@@hooooochR no, wrong. They failed to take into consideration a couple factors. The test is bullshit

Chuck, do you tow during work? My job is the same way, but I want an EV only because I hate stopping for fuel and a long range EV would be sufficient for me. I don't tow though for work, just travel between appointments and towing utility or ATV trailers on the weekend with my Grand Cherokee.

The reason politicians are promoting electrics is to force us to live in cities. Did I mention they want us to eat buys too? Santa Klaus knows best. SMH LOL

@@qwikz28 stopping for fuel? Doesn't the gas last longer than electric?

@@oyl23 yeah I fill up more than once a week. I'd much rather plug in at home every night or so and stop for dc fast charging on occasion when I need it once or twice a year.

@@qwikz28 aaah ok it makes sense now.

Plus when this was filmed I believe the gas was at it's highest, its been coming down since then.

Don't forget to add the price of the chicken dinner! LOL

@@Cornelius87 where do you live?! Gas’s has not been coming down here. Regular is $5.29. Premium is $5.94. Diesel is $6.09… please tell how much your gas has come down from 2 weeks ago to now. Thanks.

I wish ours would go down though!

@@kaden1499 I live in Texas in the Dallas area. 2 or 3 weeks ago you couldn't find regular for less than $4.55 and I remember seeing it as high as $4.70. Now since last week regular has come down to $4 in several gas stations in my area. Prices seem to be all over the place though, you have stations were it's $4 and then one block away they're still trying to sell it for $4.50. I think statewide it has come down 25 cents in the past 2 weeks on average, that's what was reported but where I live it was more than that.

Without blocking anything. Also, lots of electrical plants are powered by coal and other CO2 fuels, so no planet saving with these. It's IDIOTIC. And these batteries will create a NIGHTMARE dump situation in a few years when they die out. So glad I'm dying before these plans come to full fruition. If you're under 30, I pity you people. Gonna be a cold, dark future for ya'll.

That's right - and that particular charging station actually accommodated the trailer. Many would not - you'd have find a place to unhitch and park it. EVs are just not practical for towing - maybe to take your boat to a local lake or the utility trailer to Home Depot, but now for serious towing any distance. And a contractor or landscaper with a trailer going from job to job probably wouldn't make it through the day either. Let's face it - these EV pickups are commuters and grocery getters, like most gas pickups. But they can't really do double duty - like most gas pickups.

But then again, not for long. Especially if you live in leftist states like Commiefornia, that plan to outlaw the sale of new gas powered vehicles, which will all but completely put filling stations with gasoline/diesel out of business, over time, and thus greatly limiting places you can go with a biofuel truck and trailer, even if you live in a state that does not practice arbitrary government overreach, dictating what fuels people can use.

These are all the same arguments that were made when cars were first introduced in the late 1800s. Right now EV are not as efficient as diesel or gasoline powered vehicles and the infrastructure to support them is not as common. They are going to be the future unless we find a better non hydrocarbon alternative.

@@Highway47Productions how do u produce power to charge your environmental ev truck?

Well you dont have to wait in your vehicle for the charge. The crappy thing is you have to wait in line in the vehicle or someone takes up your place in the line.

Sexy story! Yeah EVS are for chumps

Anyone who wants an electric vehicle has a definite short circuit in their brain. If you desire an electric vehicle go buy an electric golfcart.

A cali person sighting laws yet provides no actual law or link just I heard from this guy and that guy

Oh my God this is the Twilight Zone you will not be forcing real working people 2 convert to these piece of junk vehicles there's actually countries that have stopped selling Vehicles because they are crashing the power grid

You didn't expect an electric turd to fail?

EV pickups seem to be NOT good for doing pickup things (think towing). How disappointing!!

@@thomasschwarting5108 Yeah, Im a huge EV fan. No one expected this thing to be a long distance tower. EVs atm are all short range daily tasks. The pickup now has utility. It will be a little while before batteries and charge times increase range comparable to gasoline vehicles. But in nearly every way EV is an improvement over gasoline. Many truck drivers dont go on road trips, dont tow long distances, and just use it as a daily driver that has some utility. With an EV truck you will spend less time charging at a charger than you used to fill up at a gas station. 90+% of fueling will be done at home overnight.

@@TheHomicidalTendency a little while? Try never.

@@TheHomicidalTendency lol

Yeah, well i can't wait enough for that Lightning pick-up to arrive in Europe we barely need towing such big & heavy trailers for such long distances but considering how much cheap the electric pick-up was filled up it makes a lot of sense on long term owning and with less services & reduced costs, no more pollution taxes less insurances costs for green vehicles and other bonuses & benefits.. Because let's say going in camping no one i know in the right mind will ever racing forth & back packed with kids, dogs & all stuff with those trailers behind, everyone should enjoy the vacation excursion, experience the traveling +considering all the other features of ev's we always come to same conclusion that ev truck has already made enough impact to make a lot of people thinking that is all they will ever need.. because for gas-guzzlers goose necks trailers, heavy duty equipments we can always rent or hire companies specialized for such jobs.. even semi-trailers are getting electric lately and not just Tesla but also other partnership companies from Europe & other markets as well..

And people need to understand that the F150-Lighting is only styled to look like a truck. It is not designed to function as a truck.

Yeah it would be interesting for them to do a timed run to see how long it would take for them to take identical travel trailers on a 500 km road trip to a remote campsite. I've heard horror stories of folks having to stop at a level two charger for hours just to get enough charge to get a DC charger. They should have made the F-150 hybrid a PHEV, that way you can plug in at home and do 99% of your around town driving on battery mode. Then when on a road trip or towing you can run gas hybrid mode, which pulls and gets similar fuel economy to a diesel.

Thank you for the kind words.

@@anydaynow01 literally Andre has been driving the hybrid for months!

Good choice. EV's are ok for some things, such as people who spend most of their time driving arounds towns and charging up at night. The added advantage here is the elimination of particulates which cause air pollution and the associating effects on lung health. When it comes to long range driving, including any difficult ground or towing, then fossil fuels still win the day. The real advantage of a fuel based vehicle is that one doesn't need special infrastructure to refuel. If I run out of fuel 10 miles short of a station then I can either call a company to bring some fuel to me in a can, wait for a passing good samaritan to give me a ride and then hike back to my vehicle, get a tow or I can just walk it. Electric vehicles will always require a tow or pickup. I am sure in future new battery tech will come along that will solve the issue but we're just not there yet.

There's never a reason to not buy a diesel truck. Just delete all new diesel.

The issue is the Ford Lightning electric motors. I would like to see how well a Tesla Model X would perform to give us an idea of how well a Cyber Truck might perform.

​@@DS-zl4up I would be interested in that data as well but I don't think it's going to be as good as a diesel or even petrol truck. EV's draw more current with workloads in the same way a diesel truck draws more fuel, the difference is the EV vehicle will produce a more pronounced usage curve if we graphed it out. TESLA has been creating electric long-haul trucks and these may be more efficient, but that is because they are based upon carrying a load rather than towing it. This makes the engineering easier as it's based on a single problem but a diesel truck often has multiple roles. The long-haul trucks still concern me as they are carrying a lot of battery weight. I guess we'll have to see real world performance data to get a good idea of their effectiveness.

The technology for EV is just not there yet. Well to be honest if you're staying in town and going to work and back EV is probably perfect. Other than that, as far as I'm concerned EV is a NO go. I'm not going to pay $50K plus for a vehicle I can only go around town with. I'd rather buy a cheap old beater vehicle for that.

For real. This is why I'm not getting rid of my diesel trucks when i get my lightning lol.

@WUANDALE DINGLEBERRY no. Go hug a tree f4g

@WUANDALE DINGLEBERRY this truck they're using costs 80,000 usd. They're only going to get even more expensive. They got a decade before they can get gasoline towing range

The truck couldn't make 100 miles. Only way you get 230 miles is with a massive battery that will take a lot of charge. Maybe in 20 years.

@@firefox0915 50 years. People are wishing for better, but reality is never like that.

@WUANDALE DINGLEBERRY you better add some more years to that. While your charging I'll be waiting at the destination.

A truck that can't tow? What good is that?

The point being that right now no electric vehicle be it a car or truck is not meant for long range driving. There are to many variables. Lights, heat, AC the entertainment/info center. Lets not forget the weight terrain. 45 minutes to get back to 75% charge is way to long. If i am taking a "Road Trip" I'd rather do it with an ICE. My local VA medical center is a 220 mile R/T I would have to charge the F-150 on the way home. The only problem i have now doing this trip in my 2014 Ford Focus is what used to cost me $15 in gas costs me over $40 now.

@@michaelrocker9000 well put. Gas and Diesel ftw

We do long vacation trips.. For this reason I would never get an EV for cross country trips..

@@jaytibby it's a shame the short range hybrids didn't take off. They make the most sense. 40-50 miles before the battery kicks in. Three majority of the time most people commute out take short trips then come home and charge. But longer trips are no big deal cause after better it'll just switch to engine. That should have been more popular if not for Tesla

Yeah,Magna is a great co.. I’ve always enjoyed collaborating on programs with FoMoCo

In the winter.

It would of been worse for the electric the gas would of still gone a lot further

What happens when u run into a rain storm and need wipers for an hour or two or more, or u live in Northern Alberta when it gets to -30 , - 40 , and need your heater good luck 🤣

@@terryshepherd8595 These EV vehicles will result in deaths for people that don't know better up north.

And a15 mph head wind, with that radio and heat on.

You mean work better in many but not all situations...which will always be the case!

Would love to see this taken to another scale that's similarly as useful to all Americans. Semi-truck vs Train style. EV's as we know them today will never take over for hauling btw. Would require a completely new kind of battery.

Also, 110° Arizona Heat. Running up to Flagstaff.

Also, Tucson to Flagstaff on a 110° day.

Hey! Don't garbage this up with facts! We are in fantasy lala land and you are ruining it LOL

What kind of person goes camping in -35c temps?? :)

Those who travel south across the border to the south portion of the states in the winter from Canada like my parents did after Xmas. It can be bloody cold in certain places here in Canada and the northern border states. But if not a travel trailer perhaps towing a trailer of equal weight like a car, truck or work equipment and see how far you can get in that weather. How many times will you have to stop to recharge in a days drive. Just a 5hr trip down the road could be all day if you got to wait around every 20 to 40 minutes to recharge and get may only 60 to 80 miles of range. The guys in Colorado had a okay day for thier test, but it wasn't winter time. I got nothing against ev trucks. They look impressive especially for short hauling. Long hauling is a different can of worms. I hope the industry improves the range of the batteries in the next 5 to 10yrs. If not, here in Canada by 2035 all new sales of vehicles must be ev compliant. Unless hybrid and extended range vehicles like the old volt are allowed to be built and sold. I don't know what its going to like for you guys in America? But any one with a 2034 or older truck here may have a golden egg in thier procession if battery range and recharge times don't improve by then. We will have to wait and see what happens. And only the powers that be knows what what the cost of fuel will be in 10yrs.

Actually if they wanted to fabricate it, they could setup a towable battery pack. There was a tesla competing in a drag n drive event recently who did just that for range extension.

@@rojoe3455 The gas truck could probably carry 200 gallons of gas for the weight of that one extra towable battery pack

Hydrogen car has a market.

He also swapped out the battery trailers aka refilled the tank

What do you want? The gas truck had a measely 24 gal tank. And it still beat the EV by a factor of 2. Any serious buyer of that truck would scoff at 24 gal capacity. So much that such small capacity acts to limit purchases, limited to short trips on aspalt.

@@sanvirel6182 imagine the rude awakening tesla gets when everyone that doesn’t live in California perfect weather complains that the cars don’t work outside air conditioned areas lol

Battery technology is continuing to improve in all areas, including ambient temperature effects.

@@brian1204 people have been saying that for the past 10 years about a technology that has existed in cars since before gasoline and yet we still face the same problems. Gas technology is improving too, and at a much faster and cheaper rate.

This f150 in 10 years will look like a dinosaur. EV tech is just in its infant stage and more and more companies are investing and researching

@@THESLlCK That is simply false, because gas technology has it's own limitations. For example, achieving a ridiculous 40% of efficiency is nearly impossible with a gas vehicle. Also, prices are moving upwards faster than the extraction rate nowadays, and also there is the environmental issue which we could argue it's secondary, but nevertheless important too. Battery vehicles, even accounting all these issues, are cheaper, more reliable and much much more efficient than it's gas counterpart. The only advantatge that gas cars have nowadays is the fact that they're being producted in mass quantity, and they already have a good recharging (refilling) infraestructure, which also took decades to get to the point it is now. The electric vehicle wasn't a viable option back in the day when the consumer wanted a vehicle, because batteries were very primitive and also it was very slow to recharge an EV battery, that's why gas cars were chosen. Nothing else. When charging infraestructure improves, battery technology improves and gas price go to the moon, we'll see if your comment holds up. By now, BEV have made a huge leap to get into the market and compete. Give them a few more years and will drive ICE cars obsolete with ease. They're simply superior. I kind of understand your anger towards EV, and seeking for those little issues with are being adressed fast. Like towing, or immense range (btw, batteries now can go up to 700km, more or less), or charging infraestructure (there are an insane amount of superchargers and here in Europe are increasing, without talking about other companies offering this kind of service). And going back to the much faster and cheaper rate: gas technology hasn't improved very much in the last decades. Maybe the engines have become quieter (funny enough), but the average l/100km it's pretty much the same. The progress has been only made in antipollution equipement which, surprise surprise, isn't requiered in an EV. And a cheaper rate... there are loads of cars with similar specs of those of an EV which have the same price. EV are not very cheap yet, but compare today's offer of cars with the one 10 years ago. The ICE is dead for passanger cars, and I am not an EV fanboy: ICE are far superior in heavy towing and semitrucks, for example (even though we could use trains, but that's some government issue), and ICE are generators by themselves. There are plenty of uses to ICE yet, but their journey has reached an end.

Open your eyes. They are lying to you. Open your eyes. DDDUUUHHHHHH

Those in government pushing for EV vehicles I’m guessing they all have invested in these companies so that’s why the 100% push for it

@William Arrington ... It's more of a battery technology issue. That's why the results are the same across the board.

@@MagicMike_101 the 150 extended range weighs 8500lbs. Add a trailer and wind resistance and the best you can hope for is 50% of original range at 55mph. All EPA estimates are done below highway speeds, so yeah... This is a legit reference point for their driving choices.

They even tested it against a 6.2 Denali Truck. There are several that would have fared much better.

I'm sure companies that buy work trucks will be happy paying folks for the downtime.....

I'm 57 and when I was in High School they had electric cars/trucks that were done just for fun in auto shop, they only went about 12-20 miles. Today, early EV's did about 100 and quickly Tesla brought us 240 and now up to 350.....if you don't like the range, just wait a few years: demand creates innovation. A bit over 100 years ago the idea of 'sending pictures' through the air to a 'television' was utterly inconceivable and now we think NOTHING of it....so EV's, they're still in their early stage and we have to look towards the future. Number 1 priority is not be energy dependent on anyone else, Putin taught us that....

@@stevereisman6872 solid point.

@@stevereisman6872 :)))))

@@stevereisman6872 I agree that demand drives innovation, but government subsidies and laws are creating an artificial demand and artificially high prices. The technology and infrastructure is not there to be practical in a lot of cases for what policy is demanding.

A house is 80% empty space and you pay 250k at least what are you talking about?

@@lebronjames4705 Houses don't lose 80% of their value over the years.

@@ldkellandshaw Granted, but initial cost rebuttal against claim was given for the win.

@@lebronjames4705 a house comes with land, which is actually worth something. Plus my house is not empty at all, and if you took it down to square footage Useable per dollar it won’t even be remotely close. That turd will maybe worth 20g in 3 years. You have no argument.

Only saw the inside for a second, but I'm 97% sure it was a small car or perhaps motocross hauler with tool storage & it's not even loaded. Truck may not have made 50mi if it was loaded. It's not a camper. I would imagine at $95k it has a fancy hydraulic table the vehicle sits on & can be loaded & unloaded with a joystick like a wrecker.

Hell using regular octane fuel instead of premium would've cut the cost down by quite a bit

A diesel does get better gas mileage but the cost of a diesel, fuel, maintenance and repair cost is significantly higher than gas.

@@joekaiser8116 it really only makes sense if you either: a) tow very often, or b) drive 25k+ miles/yr at highway speeds. It's unfortunate really just how demonized diesel is in the USA

@@dochollywood1921 Diesels are great but you really need to tow frequently and put a bunch of miles on in order to make the investment actually worth it. I've had several and honestly now I just do not have a need for much of a pickup truck. I need a truck to haul my boat, I need it to haul my tractor occasionally, trips to home depot or the lumber yard etc. But I honestly can't remember the last time I towed something more than 20-30 miles from my home. The dealership that services my tractor is only 7 miles away, our camp on the lake is only 15 miles from our home, there's 5 lumber yards within 20 miles of my house and 2 home depots in that same distance. For me an electric truck probably makes sense because i also have solar on my home and can practically drive for free then. But I do get how for most truck guys the battery technology just isn't quite there yet.

@@TheFlooringInspector82 in the end, it's your money, and we hope each of us in knows how best to spend it.

It depends on time verses cost. About 60% to 80% of the energy contained in gasoline is dissipated [lost] as unrecoverable heat in an ICE engine. An EV uses about 80% of the energy while 20% of the energy is lost as heat. In other words, EV's are far more efficient in the use of energy. That means that if gas is $5.00 a gallon about $3.00 to $4.00 of that money is wasted. That is why EV's get so much better fuel mileage equivalents. [My EV gets 105-110 MPEG]

That's awesome man, congrats!

I am an EV advocate and enjoy our second car which is an EV immensely. Great for around town and even road trips are great, but for towing just not there yet and no way you get that efficiency. Solution in my eyes is a true plug in hybrid with a larger capacity battery for in city driving and ICE engine for all other real world usage for a truck.

Yep, I've had a Tremor on order for nearly 6 mo. Sucks to wait but one would have to wait for this underachieving electric truck too.

@@johngoad9549 Yet the fact still remains that his ICE vehicle can go 355 miles on one tank and your ev will go 80 or less towing the same trailer lol.

and then 45 minutes and 27 bucks to take it from 9%-75%, so only 2/3 of a charge at a rapid charger.

Did you forget that he's hauling a 6,000 pound trailer?

That's brand new. Imagine what it gets in 3-5 years. I hate batteries.

@@jizzyjake6783 these guys were really dumb, and didn't grasp what they were doing.

@@jizzyjake6783 almost identical. New batteries have a sudden drop off at the end of life, not a logarithmic drop off.

I agree. Load these two similarly as someone would go for camping, RVing, and basically anything else. See how these things stack up.

@@TruckerMike089 Good idea although I suspect weight is less of an issue than the aerodynamic profile. I could be wrong though

Charging time and fueling time should be factored in. So for the first stage the electric truck is charged at home, the gas has to drive to the gas station and back. This is a small factor, but it should be included.

@@robintaylor1490 Yeah I'd say that's a good idea as well

Why bother? Same result.

Towing is a weakpoint. For the other 99% of the population, 300 mile range is plenty, even for those with abnormally insane long commutes. And saving about 75% vs fuel cost. And if you have a long trip, a 30 minute charge is just the right amount of time to grab something to eat, stretch, etc every 4 hours. Factor in never stopping for gas and just plugging in at home, and it is a net time save.

@@xeridea Where do the 99% of regular people get the 60 grand to pay for an electric vehicle? I can buy a lot of gas with the 40 grand I would save by buying a used ICE vehicle.

​@@stevequincy388 Average car price is $47,000, though one can be had for around $25,000 EVs start around $35,000, so not unreasonably expensive. Throughout your ownership, you will save around $15,000 vs buying fuel, factor this in and EV ends up cheaper long term in most scenarios. This also assumes gas is $3.00 per gallon, which it is not, and ignoring oil changes and other maintenance. With current clowns in office, gas won't be going down anytime soon, they heavily restrict oil drilling, hurting everyone. Your $60,000 likely for an SUV, so comparison cost for gas would obviously be higher, and the fuel savings much greater. Cheapest method is to just buy a good used car for around $5,000, buying new is always an expensive option, but if you are buying new, EVs make sense for most people. My main point is that comparing long haul towing, which is not common, and labeling entire industry poorly is disingenuous. Video is about 80% sponsored adtime anyway, so not much gained from watching it.

@@xeridea Where are you seeing EV vehicles for 35 grand? Plus are you factoring in the 10 to 15 thousand dollars to replace the batteries in the next five years?

@@stevequincy388 where the heck are you getting five year replacement in five years?! Yep nowhere...

Road trips in a Tesla with some strategy is completely fine but the trucks aren't there yet. Is the gm going backwards with all the chinesification? An old powerstroke would have better range than both trucks combined on a single tank.

Don't bother there Garbage.

Yeah, for towing, the EU laws to max go 80 km/h is a step in the right direction. Also, for towing - especially wintertime, battery packs must be in the 200+ kWh range. If consuming 50 kWh/100 km, that gives 400 km of real world range, so you can use the 20-80% SoC of the battery for safety and quicker charging. So chargers must be maximum 0,6*400 km = 240 km apart, and preferably 200+ kW chargers. It isn't more complicated than that. We will get there in 5-10 years, which is just a "snap of the fingers". So... EVs ARE THE FUTURE!

Yeah people keep saying Gas don't come close to a Diesel but when you look at that same Diesel they all have one thing in common that can be swapped onto Gas... A turbo. Remove the Turbo and Diesels fall flat. People never run a test with a Gas with the same Turbo as the Diesel for a proper comparison.

That sucks, I wonder what people like you are going to do in the future.

thank you for the kind comments.

This here. For a guy like me the lightning is perfect!

Without a doubt. It'd be cool if they did the energy conversions to see how much energy was needed to get the campers to where they got. That would let people see about how much better batteries need to be before towing something like an RV on long distance trips. It would also be eye opening as to how efficient the electric vehicles are compared to the ICE ones. It's going to take some big battery improvements before towing RVs long distance is viable. For a smaller RV the F150 hybrid is currently the ultimate truck imo. You can get the massive on-board generator to hook your RV up to and still get the range. edit: testing the towing with something that's not a giant sail would also be interesting. it would be really cool to see how big of a difference that drag makes. I'd guess it's a very significant difference, which of course does not help for towing RVs, but it does if people are towing flat beds of stuff.

bottom line battery tech is not up to par for this type of use.....I still wonder why we can't have a power generation setup on a vehicle to charge on the go but maintain electric powertrain.

@Tyler7 You would need Engineering Explained to get the conversions and data like that; I think the Lightning offers some great opportunities for some video collabs

yes they should. they buy something to eat every time they drive the lightining. then the health problems and costs related with eating too much bad food. ha ha.

That’s a really smart observation 👍🏾

Don’t forget the charging lot lizards

100%. I saw a family charging, that had been at their charging station for 40 minutes. Parents and two kids, and the two kids were going absolutely crazy, leading the parents to lose their minds lol. Maybe also consider mental health costs with family counseling after a road trip!

Nah it would give me time to pop out the Coleman 2 burner and make lunch on the cheap instead of going to a drive thru

That'd be about the ONLY way to use the Lightning for trips. Basically after the initial first hop, it's 45 minutes of driving, then 45 minutes of charging if towing, all the way till you finally get somewhere where you can top off overnight. May as well use the range; dump the trailer, and use either motels, or rent the RV trailer at the destination.

you're kinda hyper simplifying the range; the electric truck has it's range severely reduced, while that gas truck takes only a moderate loss.

@@StarHunter28 what? The V8 GMC Sierra gets 660 miles of range on a full tank when not towing. According to this test, while towing the trailer it went down to 200 miles of range. They took a similar hit percentage.

@@techviewer8379 The GMC Sierra Denali is rated at 15/20 MPG (short bed), or 14/18 MPG (long bed). Not sure which one they had. If you assume they had the 20 MPG highway version, then dropping to 8.97 MPG is 44.8% of its mileage when not towing. I suspect it actually would've gotten 18-19 MPG highway if not towing, since they went up in elevation by about 1000 ft. So 50% is probably about right. (660 mile range is with the 3L turbo diesel, not the 6.2L V8.) The Lightning got 85.9 miles on (131 kWh * 91%) = 119.21 kWh. In their previous highway test it went 164.5 miles on 77 kWh, or 2.136 mi/kWh. Towing they got only 85.9 miles, or 0.721 mi/kWh. Or 33.7% of its non-towing range. I'm actually impressed it managed that. This was an all-uphill run. If it had been a round trip, with regenerative braking on the downhill leg it may have hit 40%. Still not as good as gas, but 33% was about what I was expecting for the round trip. I called this in the comments on the 4 truck shootout video. An ICE is paired with a transmission, which (with enough gears) lets you keep the engine near its efficiency peak regardless of speed or load. Electric motors have a much broader efficiency band - so broad that EV manufacturers don't bother with transmissions. But their efficiency curve isn't perfectly flat, so they do end up tuning the motor for peak efficiency in normal driving conditions. If you drive it outside of "normal" conditions (e.g. towing), it will operate at lower efficiency.

no 350kw+ chargers in the states?

I agree. I'm a proponent of EV technology but they don't make sense to tow yet.

Airstream demonstrated an interesting idea, with the trailer having its own battery and drive motor. Sensing hitch axial load, the trailer can negate aerodynamic drag with its own motor, leaving the range of the truck unchanged. Obviously, it increases the cost and weight of the trailer, but it's an interesting idea that I hope will continue being developed...

@@Raze120 oh, it does? Explain how I'm charging my EV with my own solar panels I installed in my backyard? Don't speak if you are just going to make yourself look foolish.

@@Raze120 Comes from many sources, including nuclear, hydro, wind and solar. Coal's been on it's way out the door for many years.

@@michaelc5061 Even then the minerals and mining and all the fossil that goes into producing all these things makes it not as great as people make it seem. The Drive train is great. The reason for wanting one is bogus.

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Stunning and brave

Being sarcastic here.

Amazing! So green!

Mostly just for truck people who are towing. Evs are great for daily commuting use where you can just charge at home.

I wonder how far my rv will go if it's converted to ev. Pretty sure I can make it around the block:)

The wind drag goes way down at lower speed, so it's probably faster overall to take it a lot slower. If you can make it to the destination with one charging stop, you'd probably charge at the trailer campground overnight, so it'd be one, $27 stop instead of $ 90 for gas.

@@RandyTWester I'm not buying this bs. It sounds like a stupid hassle that no one wants to deal with To each their own

In the Netherlands this trip would cost 240$ if u convert 3.4km per litre at 2.6€ per litre right now. Avarage income is 2-2500€ a month so good luck towing, not affordable over here

@@RandyTWester plus the $90 for gas to drive 155 miles is just bc gas is so outrageously expensive right now Say it was 3 bucks a gallon (hopefully it gets back down there), it would've costed about 50-60 bucks for the same trip If you had to charge twice the Ford twice would cost about 54 bucks and make the trip about 2 hours longer

Dont forget that several Governments around the world are looking at taxing EV's per mile traveled to make up for the lost taxes from petrol.

Exactly. I am an EV owner for 4 years and the EVs are not for everyone depending on your life style and distance. I also have my old 2009 Suburban. I use my EV driving around town and fully charge it twice a week at work while I use the Suburban for road trips and heavy loaded stuff. If you are able to get an EV at a good price (not the teslas they just price gouge you) and keep your older gas vehicles. You will win in the end with fuel prices, lower property taxes, lower insurance rates and so on. I noticed the new Jeeps have a switch manual option from EV to Hybrid to Gas similar to if you switch from 2 to 4X4 with that option you have more control over your energy consumption. I was thinking of getting the lighting but now I am going to wait and see what comes out hope trucks with this manual EV to Gas option. It just seems more practical with the current charging and gas options out there.

Toyota corolla,Prius another brilliant reliable hybrid car

That's the thing I keep telling my coworkers... If you're going to be going out of state, hauling shit, doing a lot of travel for your work all day, you're not going to want to use an EV. If you are just going from home to work and back with nothing inbetween, what's the point in taking a V8 that gets 12-17mpg vs taking an EV/Hybrid for those 30-50 miles? Sure you could say "Well that means more money I have to spend on vehicles" and you would be justified in saying that. But if you can't afford to own a brand new V8 truck and an EV/Hybrid, why not ... idk.... buy an older truck that is 1/3rd the cost?

I'm waiting on hydrogen powered vehicles to be honest.... compressed hydrogen has a higher energy density than gasoline and with the new tank designs it's just as safe. There are some semis out there that are using hydrogen in fuel cell tech already, but I am waiting on hydrogen internal combustion to be a thing... theoretically any old engine could be converted over with a bit of effort and a lot of parts.

@William Arrington I'm hoping that since some semi manufacturers are pushing for hydrogen fuel cell tech for long rang trucking that it will become as common as diesel stations, but it's still a long way off. I just don't see batteries progressing enough to make them viable for long range trucking or commercial airplanes due to the weight and lack of energy density compared to any current fuel types.

What exactly do they need to cover? There isn't anyone out there who isn't an idiot to begin with who thinks an EV is replacing ICE for towing. The flipside are the idiots on the other end who squawk the obvious to anyone who will listen. To those people, I'm just curious how they actually think the world works? oh v1 doesn't compete with the current best option... better not try to make any advances or innovations...

they wont...they dont want ppl knowing or seeing this so they can keep pushing the whole electric is the future bullcrap that the west coast seems to think....

@@minotaurbison I'm with you, I'll switch my 2004 Mercury Marauder in a heart beat!

At the moment EV towing is like going camping in your own backyard.

Weight doesn't have such a significant impact. aero, aero, aero

@@rkan2 And what do you think a bad aero profile directly translates to....weight...you can easily replicate pulling a bad aero profile trailer by pulling a flatbed with an equivalent weight to match what the aero profile translates to.

I believe this test was done at 5000+ feet elevation. If this was at sea level elevation, and colder temperature, the range would drop a lot

@@rkan2 So how about a Boeing 777? It has plenty of aero. J/s

That is not right at all

Nobody gives 2 FKs what you do. You might find that you are quite irrelevant, much like the rest of us.

@@matthewcarroll5278 have you read the privacy policy Ford makes you accept every time you want to start the car? The rights you hand over to Ford are insane, you literally give them free hand to do whatever they want with your data, including selling to other companies. No way would anyone ever hit "accept" if they read and understood all of it.

And they can brick the truck if they want. Imagine if somebody powerful had it out for you?

​@@matthewcarroll5278Thats exactly whats being done with your data, among other things...

@@MidwestFarmToys she can't even go to the coast and make it back before she has to go back to work the following Monday Monday.

Early 2000s were the years, we actually hunt for low mileage ones over new just because theyre simple and just run

I’ve never cared for sophisticated vehicles. We still own a 2006 silverado 4.8L 270K+ miles and still going. Fuel efficiency is everything now a days but I don’t care spending a little more on fuel if I get reliability. Just my 2 cents.

@@gzzacordeon I hear you,,, I for one only need basic necessities like a/c, power windows, power locks and power steering. All the other fancy gizmos I have never cared for, they merely add a lot of cost to the vehicle.

@@RideCamVids seems we’re on the same page. Extra cost added to the vehicle and good luck once its out of warranty.

@@gzzacordeon being in the auto industry for over 40 years you quickly know what and where the problem areas are with vehicles. Anything electronic will fail, its just a matter of when and not if. All these fancy touch screens and similar instrument displays will fail and when they do its very expensive. This will likely not effect the first owner who will ditch the vehicle before its four years old, but what about the second and third owners.Will the part still be available that without it, renders a usable vehicle as no more than scrap. Lets not even talk about the chasing of code gremlins around the engine management systems and the other add on features found on every modern car. These are expensive issues to track down and fix and they cause grief to the proficient technicians with scan tools on a daily basis.

Glorified Golf Carts look to be a DEATH SCENTENCE in winter weather....

I have a Porsche Cayenne S e-hybrid (the wife mobile). It is excellent, 10/10 maybe the best all around car I have ever owned, but the ev range blow in winter is real. At its best in the summer it will show 20 miles of ev range (I have managed to do about 26 though) but in the middle of winter (in New england) it will dip down to a max range as low as 9. I would not be surprised to see that redoing this test at 0 F would see the lightnings range decrease to under 60 miles.

I put $50 bucks on 50 miles

Would also depend on truck/battery prep. My tesla can be schedlued to be warmed up in the garage before I leave in the winter. This also conditions (warms up) the battery, which helps greatly with the trip range.

@@ejgrant5191 That's a myth. They do pretty well in winter. Cold weather does have an effect, but it's doesn't kill the car.

Yeah it would be accurate but they didnt use the extended range battery on the F-150 they lied the extended range has 325 miles range thats why i ahte watching these guys they always lie

Now they need to do this in a cold Northern winter. EV will flop without question.

Wow, the EV can't outperform an ICE vehicle at long distance towing... literally no one is shocked by this.

Don't worry those prices will go up too.

They charged from 9% to 74%, so that's actually $27 for 65%.

Now factor in he'll have to do it AGAIN when he gets back vs gas was a round trip. Thus costing him double The diesel would do even better too. EV is not the way

So little range & so much cost.... This truck is just a waste of your hard earned money 💰

@@crazymaze93 Yeah but the difference is when the price goes up, as more people switch, so does your electric bill. So it's a win win.

As EVs takeover more and more gas stations will close and more EV charging stations open, till at some point the range anxiety boot will be on the ICE owners foot.

@@prabuddhaghosh7022Possibly, but that's a limited view of range anxiety. Range anxiety encompasses more than simply "range" as stated in a brochure. It's a function of battery age, cycles, depletion and charge limits to reduce capacity loss, cargo, electrical loads, temperature, lost time due to charging, etc. All of which are essentially non-issues for an ICE vehicle. In simpler terms, climate, vehicle age and towing weight have little bearing on my ICE range. Those same three factors often preclude me from attempting a trip in my EV. And these EV issues will only improve marginally over time. I design for both types of vehicles, so I make my living no matter what people buy. But I feel bad for potential EV (especially truck) owners that don't have physics or engineering degrees. They should not be mislead by those with no technical knowledge or those with political agendas. That's simply disgusting. Need more people out there being the honest voices of reason. As far as range anxiety being on the other foot years from now? I'm fairly certain governments will force ICE vehicles out (cost prohibitive) by legislature (fuel economy and road taxes) directly or by limiting oil production (gas pricing) long before range becomes an issue as a result of distance between fuel stations.

@@cobra-he9xj I think it's a safe bet that governments will try to force people into EVs, but it still might not happen. It's an extremely resource intensive project that has only a theoretical payback of "less CO2" (even though vehicles like the lightning emit more CO2 over their life than a ICE car), and there's probably just not enough resources to go around to build out the grid and the charging stations. EVs are really just another product that consumes scarce fossil fuel energy and materials. I doubt they're as efficient as ICE vehicles after 100+ years of engineering. The people who "care" about global warming only pretend to care; when push comes to shove, all this stuff will go on the back burner, then in the trash... it's already happening in dopey europe.

@@KevinKimmich44024 Yep - hopefully. After I researched the marginal, if any, carbon advantage (or possibly disadvantage) I moved my sights over to the humanitarian impact. I became even more disenchanted with EV. I grew up in a farming community and it breaks my heart to hear about South American indigenous people being forced to move off their ancestral lands due to the water table drop. They can't farm anymore since all the mining for battery materials consumes enormous amounts of water. The truly educated and unbiased "tree huggers" understand EVs just move the problem - not solve it. But one doesn't see those research articles mentioned in the easily digested news for the masses. So now the wealthy, virtue signaling snobs that can afford EVs "think" they are being green because they don't smell exhaust from their car. So it's great for those of us in highly developed regions. We get the (perceived) benefits of EVs without seeing the destruction of the Earth's crust...or disbanding of communities. Meanwhile, we screw over those who are poor and have no voice. How global-friendly of us. And even putting that aspect aside, you don't need an MBA like me to realize this move to EV only strengthens corrupt China (an enemy of the planet) and weakens the US. Maybe one needs to be really old like me with a sense of history to read the tea leaves. The Chinese car manufacturers will eat the Big 3 alive in the US within a couple decades. No? Well, many didn't think the Japanese OEMs could take a foothold here back in the day either. 😏

@@KevinKimmich44024 evs might be practical once solid state batteries hit the market. It should tripple the range. Even are the future but they should not be forced on anyone

diesel, you can make it from fossil fuels or from organic matter. lots more torque than gas, which equals much better fuel efficiency.

I disagree that the truck has to be gas or diesel. Ignoring price the Lightning would be perfectly adequate as a work truck for the local area. I can see it being used to tow a trailer to a job site and the truck plugged in while the owner is working. Now for people like myself who use the truck for towing an RV long distances no EVs are not ready and the day they can handle it is still a ways off.

At a boy it also needs to be snowing like mad with wipers on high and roads slick!! I would want plenty propane and plenty of grub for that camping trip that would be not too rare away

diesel would go even further.

Yup 👍 these ev trucks are no good for hauling or driving at night snow nothing peace of crap 💩 this truck will for sure leave you stranded in the country

Comifornia will quit licensing your gas or diesel f350 before it dies. This mess we are in now is all orchestrated and by design to force the transition. Promise me you won’t leave California . The surrounding states cans fit any more.

Tech is never going to get better with battery electric trucks. The tech is mature. Only fuel cell electric trucks will go the distance.

And $90k for the truck! Sounds like a second mortgage for that setup.

Everything has gone up but my paycheck.🤬

Inflation officially may be 8.6% year over year, but for things like vehicles, trailers and campers I think the real world numbers are over 20% - or 40-60% since before Covid.

Egregious ripoff pricing, perfect for the Colorado overlanding scene

Maybe a loaded 5th wheel but not that little trailer! Those 5ers are sooooooo much nicer! Not even in the same league for that money! They’ve lost their minds!

I agree with most of this except that as battery chemistry/ manufacturer improves we will get more range per KW.

LOL imagine the cost of a 400kw battery equipped truck.

@@StuartBelote There's not much to be gained in terms of efficiency from the batteries themselves. Most modern lithium batteries have >99% Coulombic (roundtrip) efficiency, so while I agree that we will see some efficiency gains overall, they are going to come from areas other than the battery. Regardless, EV efficiency overall is already so high that it simply isn't possible to see significant enough gains from efficiency improvements alone. If we took all of the losses away and made the Lighting a 100% efficient machine (not possible), it would still only see about 120 miles with its current battery capacity under those conditions. That is why a bulk of the efforts at this point are directed at increasing energy capacity rather than increasing efficiency.

@@philmonachan8007 Right now or in 4 to 5 years? It's unconfirmed (but possible) that the Silverado EV WT also has a 200 kWh pack at $40,000. So a basic trim truck with a 400 kWh pack could reasonably come in for cheaper than the Lightning they tested in this video. Before that can even happen, though, current batteries would need to see a doubling of their gravimetric and volumetric energy densities, so we probably won't see it until Quantum Scape, Solid Energy Solutions, and Solid Power start producing their batteries in volume and shipping them to automakers.

@@Hogla287 Absolutely. I'm very much a light truck user myself... modest trailers (we got rid of our fifth wheel years ago now), work loads, deliveries, hunting/fishing/camping, etc. So the Lightning in its current form is definitely good enough for my personal needs, but I can see how it still falls a bit short for a lot of people. Combine that with a lack of familiarity with public charging, and I can see why a lot of truck folk are slow to transition.

The vast majority of truck buyers are in fact city slickers and weekend warriors so there is a market for them.

The first Ford Lightning was delivered to a guy in Michigan on May 26. Tell me more about your experience driving one in the middle of winter during negative forty temps.

Hey dumbäss, you realize customers are the LAST people to drive vehicles right? I worked in auto import and drove brand new vehicles months before release. That’s not even considering company employees who are paid to test vehicles or get early access. Maybe he’s affiliated with ford or a dealership, you don’t know jack shit. Regardless, what he said about batteries is undeniably true. Every single EV car ever produced has abysmal range in freezing temperatures.

Liar

This test was definitely not an apples to apples comparison.

Raising Cane's only does tenders. But they do them better than anybody else. Chick-fil-A has the spicy deluxe sandwich that is my go to. Damn, now I want chicken for lunch.

is your name actually michael jordan?

@@5280carspotting It is I know him IRL. He’s actually quite famous, was a big basketball player back in the day.

And I will buy a fully loaded F150 Lightning Platinum anyway.

That raider costs 95 million dollars? Wow.

@@RichardJoashTan Congrats on a fine choice, your virtue signal machine will be an awesome grocery getter! All the other millennial men in the Walmart parking lot will look at you with pure envy, as they get in their Priuses. 🤣

And they want electric 18 wheelers with a weight of 80,000 pounds. I don't see that happening, not even in 20 years.

@@_Mario_PL_ Not for anything beyond "last mile" deliveries anyway

@@_Mario_PL_ it's all BS, Tesla is a welfare fueled scam company

Long haul towing will end up being battery and hydrogen fuel cell hybrids. It's the only way to make the math work with current technology. The fossil fuels gotta go, but battery tech is still too heavy per KwH compared with dino juice.

@@EssKay25 Hydrogen is here yet either, the infrastructure at least. When there are hydrogen fueling locations at every truck stop (at LEAST), then fuel cells will be viable for more than localized use.

Come down to Phoenix when its 110 plus, and give it a whirl.🤣