This isn't just a review. For those of us that bought this bike and felt like they were going crazy only getting 40 miles out of charge. This video adds sanity to the crazy 200 mile range. 100% agree with everything you said. It's a fun bike, but they need to change their range claims. 15mph = 200miles / 30mph = 60miles / 50mph = 30miles is more realistic.

Finally someone said it. They definitely need to do all types of weight and all type of speeds to the consumer

Thanks for the honesty man. Even a taste of transparency these days goes a long way

Thanks for sharing your real world view of the delfast 3.0. I almost purchased one yesterday but had not seen any reviews like yours until today. Please keep the videos coming. Really enjoy your videos!

Guiness, who run the records book, started out in the UK where the legal max speed for an ebike is 15.5mph, the same speed as the entirety of Europe (25kmh). So a speed based on the maximum legal for a vehicle to be classed as EPAC (the ebike class, rather than the moped class) is entirely fair and reasonable. Under the classification of the country where they are based, and all of Europe, a vehicle is only truly an ebike if it has a max motor power of 250w, has no throttle that eliminates the need for pedalling to reach speed, and has a max speed of 25kmh / 15.5mph. Anything above that is a electric moped, or electric motorcycle not an ebike. Many states in the US have a legal speed limit of 20mph for an ebike to not need a moped/motorcycle license and registration, tax and vehicle insurance.

Wish I would have seen this before I bought mine. A modded surron that costs 7k has a 75 mile range at 50 mph. If I drive my delfast at 35 mph I charge after 18 miles because I get to like 40% battery. Cool bike but if I want range AND speed I'd go with a modded sur ron.

Level 1 assist and pedal power for about 75% of 12mph then you get 200 mile range or a 16 hour tour.

You can build a "Delfast" with twice the power and more range for almost half the price.

"who's going to ride at 15mph?" welcome to the UK ebike on road speed limit

Ima make an early guess of probably like 50-60 miles. Let's see how this turns out... 40 huh... Well, it's not like I didnt expect a low number. I mean at the end of the day I'm not disappointed, I'm just well aware of how these range estimates work, but you still get a like. I mean you're setting up the Ducati to have potentially 200 miles and that has a battery pack the size of the Scamborgini. There's no way this would have that at full blast.

They should have called it "Diesfast" :)

We now officially know The Inja is the problem.

Bike companies NEED to do max speed max payload ranges tests. So if someone is lighter or rides slower they can expect MORE instead of expecting LESS with how they’re doing it now

That's a lot of money, you'd think it would have a lot more power. I paid 3.000 dollar's for my hyper scorpion and it gets up to 30 miles per hour and about 30 miles range.

A 200 mile range when you use it as intended which means not maxing it out like a motorcycle. Most people cycle at 9mph.

I did a 18mile commute roundtrip the other day on the Delfast 3.0 and avg 20-25mph started at 100% when i finishd my battery was at 96% not sure how good or bad that is for others but I was def satisfied with that. I'm in Chicago, outside temps was 50, this weekend suppose to be high 70 so I'm going to do another run see what i can get

Thanks man.. I appreciate your video especially explaining the battery charge with distance.

Great honest review!! You saved me spending a lot of money on another bike with BS specs.

It's refreshing to see an honest reviewer on KZfaq. keep up the good work man.

Yes I agree it should be standardized and transparent using real world conditions based off of speeds that item in question can actually do as well as disclosing the weight of the rider who performed the test.

Thanks for the info, was really considering one for the future 😮

Subscribed. Thanks for your honesty. A owner of a 40Ah Wallke H6 Max(2nd e bike). Only got 34 miles with peddle assist. I was disappointed 😢.

honest review thanks mate

I live in city of Kiev, where this test was taking place. It actually was on oval track for bicycles on constant speed with a few stops. And many companies in Ukraine make the same bike, for far less price tag (if you wonder, delfast is not an original producer of these bikes, the frame design and the concept bike is public on internet for many years by some engineer from Russia). These bikes are heavily overpriced

The 200 mile range is based on a level 1- 2 pedal assist with the rider pedalling not level 5 assist throttle only!

Excellent review & many buyers I'm sure is mad for that very high cost & see it's not worth 1/4 the price plus not even meeting half it's range at full blast! SMH! 🤦

We are getting the Watt Wagons Super Charged X-Tour later this Spring. 200 miles per charge and I will personally be testing this claim by riding it from Las Vegas to LA and back. I can't put a link in here, but they're on our website under the Street Legal motorcycles. With the specs it seemed the more appropriate category.

Honest Review! Thanks Man!

Great video, it would be cool to see a comparison video with more affordable alternatives that also offer pedal assist mode, unlike the Surron and Onxy.

I agree. Make the specs like a flashlight. How long of use you get on low medium and high output. Makes sense

I had issues with Delfast also, they sent a non functional charger. The estimated wait time to replace it was 9 months, so I bought one on ebay with an xt90 connector, and disconnected the main charge port.

Thank you for the honest review

Thank you for showing this. I was looking into buying one I think I need to keep looking

but if thats the case then this is still the most range you can get out of any ebike why? cause with all things being equal and everyone would ride their ebike to its max power consumption then all those range claims by other manufacturers with less numbers would even go less than they claimed. if delfast can realistically only go for about 40 mi in 50 mph then the other ebikes can only go for like 10-20miles tops on max speed. In that case, this bike still gives you the longest range by ratio compared to almost all ebikes. but i truly appreciate the very honest review.

I have an electric bike not nearly as powerful as that one. Mine does as advertised if you read between lines of said advertised range. I live in a lot hills and 15 miles from work and ride to work at least 3 times a week. Between line advertising, 30 mile round trip I get home with little under half of the battery left sometimes less, using psa and me pedaling the whole way. My bike claims 60 mile range. So I can see 60 miles plus if like you said if I kept it at 15mph or less. Using throttle only which I've never done would not give me much range at all. The delfast is quite impressive.

Hey, do u know what type of cells they are using on that ebike? Molicels p42a cells are the best for PEVs

As a lot said, appreciate the real world ride review, makes sense given the size battery the Delfast has (If I remember it was a 72V 20amp hour). I went with a Huck Stinger3000 at $6k, at the time it was the biggest battery I saw (72V 50amp hour) I got almost 80 miles on it when I "Real world tested it mix between road and bike lanes" which was a blast, but those last 15 miles was on low battery the whole time giving me range anxiety but still went strong and pushing 45mph at the last 5 miles. Now I saw online custom batteries for it (72V 75amp hour). My hope is they develop a better battery/power source sometime in my prime time. These bikes are a real blast, but damn they are expensive, but I'm really thankful I was able to get one and enjoy it for a 50 mile run every once in awhile because I have family and job that occupies most of my day so to squeeze out 2 hours of open road what else can a guy ask for.

We sell similar, but we list it at 60+miles with mixed use. Full throttle on 8kw 72v I've personally tested, 25miles full throttle and easily 60+ miles real riding

To be honest, I would do 15mph because I would want to go far distance.

Thanks man, ive been waiting for this review! Honest as always :) Ehm at this price point i guess a SurRon is a safer bet.. Keep it up! :)

This was very helpful information - thank you very much -way over priced for the quick battery drain

My ebike is 72v (84v fully charged). I knew damned well you would be hard pressed to get 40 miles range riding hard like that. My commute to work is 10 mile round trip and if I keep in mode 2 at about 22 mph I recharge (at work) at 40 miles. I could probably eke that out to 50 miles but you have to be real careful how many beans you give it off the line as it will simply shut down if I try and draw too many amps at that low a charge. My battery is a 20s 7p - 18650's

THANK YOU for such an honest video

My niece is close to 500 pounds. *IF* the bicycle would handle her weight, it might make it one kilometer if the motor doesn't burn up.

where can you buy those mud guards? I can't find them anywhere

About time we learn the real range on some ebikes. My 250 cc motorcycle gets 100 mpg at highway speeds and only cost me 4K new.

Thank you so much for this review. They almost got me with the guiness world record range marketing!! I mean, i knew for a fact that i wouldn't get 200, but i was thinking somewhere around 100-150 or at the very least 75. 40 miles is a let down, and its only a letdown because of the way they're marketing this bike

Yeah, spot on with the manufacturer claim problems. 👍

I used to figure that you'd get at least half the range reported,but this is outrageous!

works beautifully

Thanks for helping a newbie! Any thoughts on a cheaper model that goes about 35+ mph?

At least you got pedals to get you home when battery dies. I have a super soco TC max and ended pushing it home more than once

Complete disappointment in the manufacturer's range quote. You are right, range specifications should be done at every 10 miles increment (10mph, 20mph, 30mph, 40mph, etc., then top speed range). But Delfast, unlike all other e-bike manufacturers, did get right what most consumers want, that long range capability and the belt drive. Now they just need to convince BYD to sell them their Blade battery so the e-bike can be charged on the road at an auto charger. This way we can use the e-bike for cross-country bikepacking. Imagine not having to bust your ass going against the wind or uphill on a bikepacking trip. Or not needing to use your car everywhere you go.

I own a chaos 1600w e scooter. Claimed to do 45 miles per charge but yet again that's doing 15mph and not stopping and starting. Riding normally 33mph uphill etc it does about 21miles

I really appreciate these videos! A friend of mine is looking to start a E bike rental business on the island of Kauai in Hawaii. This helps a lot as far as research goes. Perhaps one day we can link up and you can consult us on some of the latest models and what best suits the terrain and customer base here….🤙🏽

I salute you for honest review

Great review covered most points, however believe it or not some of us are interested in using bikes like these for long range touring at 15mph and would be interested to what the range is with pedal assist at those ranges

If that little mole hill was 1 foot longer you wouldn't have made it. I think trail riding for too long might burn that weak-ass hub motor up in short order. That bike looks like a dirt bike but is really intended for city commuting. Nice honest review!!

Mirrors, same ones I bought and from China’s favourite mall, they don’t last if you swivel them often (to get out the gate that’s essential). Voltage sag is awful. I’m running 63amp max @ 45mph 72km/h and don’t see anywhere near that sag only 2 volts max. The controller sounds cheap, not a sine wave controller. Far better out there from Vector or Eleek. Ever want help buying one let me know.

Yup this is exactly what I thought was gonna happen from the last ep you made. Thanks for making this video, that dude that said he was getting 150 miles on your last video was probably going 15mph lol

An honest assessment in my opinion.Earned a 👍

I mean it does take a lot more energy to go faster. I have a Tesla P85 from 2013. I have only really range tested it in the cold and there's a big difference between going say 55 and 70. At a steady cruise doing 55 over the course of 15 miles I averaged about 3.8 miles per kilowatt. If I could keep that up that would be 292 mi which would be above the normal standard range. I did do it with the heat and seat heater off just to maximize it, but even with them I get about 3.2 mi per kilowatt which would have still been 246 mi range. If I bump my speed up to 70 and cruise at that I lose 25%+ of my range. I go from 3.8 kilowatts to 2.8 with no AC or heat and probably 2.3 with. That means at 70 I can go between 177 to 215 miles. I even did a trip recently where I drove 150 miles at 70 throughout in 25° weather with the heater on at 78°. I left with 100% and 150 miles later I was at like 12% at my destination and had to charge. I do agree that all ranges even for cars should be done a different speeds. I believe Tesla tests theirs at 55 or 60 miles an hour to get their range. The EPA does it slightly differently and so does the European group. But I would love it if Tesla would step up and do speed testing at say 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, and published those results. Because I know at like 35 I can get over 4 miles per kilowatt at a steady state. Also I think the battery is in a lot of these things should either be bigger to maximize capacity or in this example where they had a 200 mile range I think they should get rid of the battery and have a super capacitor option. If you can get like 40 mi range with a super capacitor everybody would be fine with that. Because they can get to where they are going plug it up and charge it as quick as possible.

Give that alarm speaker a little poke with a ice pick. Should fix things.

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Holy comments. I'd be pissed for 6k+ 40ish miles. If you want it done right? Build it yourself... That's what I ended up doing. 😃

Thank you for saving me from the heartbreak of such a purchase. Looking forward to a battery on an e-bike hitting > 80 miles even if only at 50 max speed but I guess I am asking for too much from an e-bike…

What equipment do use to record this?

I have a 18 mile one way commute with hills in Portland Oregon. What’s a good electric bike that could realistically cover that with minimal pedaling involved.

to be fair, its currently not physically possible to make electric bikes of any kind perform the same as a traditional motorcycle also considering that in most places you can't go over 20 to 28 mph on an ebike, I'd say 15ish mph is about how fast most people are going to go

I was seriously thinking about getting one based on what they said the bike will do. Thanks for your HONEST review I still like the bike but not for $6,600.00 and forty miles full charge. No one will ride that bike at 15 mph.

Would make a good uk city bike with speed limits of 30mph using pedal assist level 3 bet could get 80+ miles

they probably gave you janky battery cells also. There were some watt hour calculators ebike riders were using to calculate range but i forgot the exact formulas. I think fat bikes used 35 watt hours per mile at 10mph no pedalling

This is the content i look for. Actual real world range testibg. My ebike will do about 30 to 50 miles depending on how hard you test it.

Show the range for each mode, otherwise they're hiding behind the eco.

I still can’t wait to get mine. Sometime in February 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

does this ebike have cruise control for easier long range riding?

They all can make claims but ive had a rad runner for 3 years and its did all and more than i ever believed it could. Plus over 30 miles an hour is way to fast for a bicycle on bike trails so im happy with what i get outta mine.Never let me down so far. Im 5 -11 and 250 pounds ride it every day.

I always tell folk a good measurement of range on most ebikes at a decent speed is ONE MILE PER AMP HOUR., 🙏👍🇬🇧 and that's an ADULT /100kg or 220 pound.

im pretty sure they were useing a fully speced up battery and bms and different controller for that record and they only travelled at 20 mph in tuned eco mode ,id bet your battery had cheaper 5amp draw cells in it ,to suffer that much sag on full charge.

isnt there model that broke the record the prime version? is that the prime you used?

Idk how people thought they could do 200 miles @50mph. Anyone who knows anything about ebikes should know better. How many ebike companys claim 8 hours of battery but realisticly it's 4 or lower if pushed? Like all of em! Most bikes of this size can only do 10-20 miles @50mph so it's still a win.

I’m so glad I watched your video!! I had been thinking of buying that bike. Delfast is a scam!!

FINNALY NEW VIDEO

No car is being tested for mileage at full throttle, they're at cruising speed. Just like this.

Inja you are an honest guy!Delfast are an Awesome Company!but myself I would want more Range so Delfast are you hearing this New uprated Battery and Controller!More Range! More speed!Brilliant blog Dude!

Honda Monkey or Grom is cheaper by thousands of dollars, gas on that will be like 4-7$ for like 160-200 mile range. Even if we factor in insurance(for me that's about 30$ USD/month) I'm pretty sure that still comes out cheaper(over 5 years of ownership), more reliable, and can do mostly the same things that ebike can(or all if you're willing to break some laws lol)

This thing has 48ah in it. There is just no logical way in the real world where this works, at all. My friend bought a stealth bomber frame and built it up, it does 80mph (yea, really), has a 12kw rear motor and a 70ah battery. He gets 100 miles reliably and he does 30-40 mph. Thats realistic range, with a 72v 70ah battery. For anyone wondering the batt fills out the entire stealth bomber frame and he made it custom for it to perfectly fit in there so thats the maximum you can have in the formfactor.

Hey could you send me a link for the saddle?

I was dead set on buying this bike but after watching this video I’m not gonna make the purchase thank you very very much for the review on this electric bike

LOVE THE HONESTY. THESE OTHER KZfaq FAKES LIED ABOUT THIS BIKE.. YOU GOT A NEW SUB👍

The ebike I ride uses a BBSHD 1000W mid-drive with 1.34h.p. 150Nm using 58.8V (full charge) 35Ah 2058Wh lithium batteries. It's an "ebike", not an electric motorcycle, but an actual ebike using the American 2002 CPSA definition so it can be ridden anywhere in America that bikes are allowed, with no tax, no license, tabs, or insurance. My maximum speed has been 47 mph, not the bike's top speed just the fastest I have ridden it. Speed definitely affects the range, the faster you go the shorter the range just like with an ICE. What's not being taken into account here is that lithium batteries degrade much faster when fully charged and fully depleted. WAY faster. Using only 65% of the pack's capacity can extend the number of recharge cycles significantly, from approx. 500 to as many as 1400. The battery is an expendable component and expensive, overly expensive on production ebikes, and proprietary so usually you have to use their packs. Couple that with cheap low-end chargers that only charge batteries to 100% capacity and the range becomes more than an exaggerated stat used for sales. My personal maximum range on my ebike has been 117 miles over 10 hours, with an average speed of 11 mph, and an average moving speed of 19 mph on 80% of the pack's capacity. - photos.app.goo.gl/ADgC6oyPM2gyrCq27 The title here is misleading since the electric motorcycle he's riding isn't an ebike anymore than the motorcycle helmet he's wearing is a bike helmet. That's a tactic manufacturers use to sell their products to uninformed consumers. He couldn't ride (legally ride) in about 80% of the places I do.

42 miles is still actually good. Every other bike gets half that. Sur-ron gets 25-30 miles at 30mph

Glad I seen this. Looks like I'll just grab the AR grizzly. Seen a guy full throttle around going 35mph and he got 38 miles before empty. And it's half the price

Totally agree. Not enough reviews yet for me for that money. If you get a chance, I'm looking into the ecell monarch hunting addition, 2200 watt. But just can't justify the buy because there is a lack of revies. True reviews. It's 4800 usd BTW. Hook it up if you can buddy!

Where can you purchase a new start/stop button?

Thanks for the scoop! Bug out camp is an hour away This couldnt get me there, disappointed

You are correct, there needs to be a set standard. The riders weight and average bike speed for mileage should be a universal standard.

There could be something wrong with the battery. The voltage sag doesn't sound normal given the Ah specs, and given the broken power button and wonky rear view mirror, it wouldn't be surprising if the lithium sucked, too.

Where did you get the seat