How fast is the BYD Seal portable EV charger? Battery consumption & charging speed

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6 ай бұрын

For the past 4 days, I have been charging by BYD Seal from 27% to 100% using the BYD-supplied portable "granny" charger. In this video, I share how much we can charge overnight using the mode 2 portable EV Charger, charging at 1.5kW charging power, and the battery percentage of the BYD Seal I have used when driving to the shops.
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@renmazzolo9676 5 ай бұрын

Your ending comments are interesting. So you have a Solar System installed in your house as I do. Mine is around 13.5kW. So best charging when sun is shining for “ free” power. Suits me as I’m retired. Thanks for your informative videos. I’m seriously looking at buying a BYD and you have been a great help. Thank you!

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback letting me know my BYD videos are useful. I plan to do more like my charging pattern over 2 months of regular driving and usage. Ya solar is good as we won't be drawing power from the grid making this car a truly green car. My solar feed-in tariff is earning twice as much as my electricity charge, so I am letting it feed back to the grid before I draw and charge my BYD Seal at night at a cheaper rate. If your solar rate is equal or lower than your electricity price, yes you should charge in the day. Your have a large 13.5kW solar system and should easily feed your BYD Seal as the charger only draws 1 to 2 kW.

@untraumatizer3647 3 ай бұрын

Amazing video! Crazy amount of information. Thank you, sir.

@SkyPerspective 3 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@nunya2036 6 ай бұрын

love the colour of your seal

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Me too. Didn't expect I would go for a colour like grey, but I took the risk and I love it.

@yenoh729 6 ай бұрын

Great informative video. Could you please do a video about your byd app and its function for your car. Great job 👏

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yap ok, I plan to make the app video after next two videos. Next video will be on the tips of tricks of my BYD Seal.

@Maestro47 6 ай бұрын

Okay. One thing I'd like to add using the granny charger from my observation. The car may be pulling in 1.5 to 1.6kwh to charge, but the power that comes out of the wall is around 1.8 to 1.9kwh. There is around 300 - 400 watts of power going to thermal management and just plain inefficiency at charging at such low amperage. It seems that the higher amps you go, the more efficient the charging will be. A 7kw charger will be around 90ish percent efficient with the car drawing in 6.5kw to charge the battery. So in summary, you will need to determine your individual use case on how you use your car and whether it's more worth it to: go charge in public in a 7kwh AC charger, use a DC charger of 50kwh or more, use the home granny charger, or just get a 7kwh charger installed at your home.

@terradrive 24 күн бұрын

it depends on voltage, if you plug into 120v outlet the efficiency is 80+%, if you use 240v outlet, you can get more than 90% efficiency. You can see the same effect on computer power supply efficiency when it's running on 120v vs 240v outlets.

@82chappls 5 ай бұрын

If you installed a wall charger and a new electrical circuit you could charge upto 7.4kw. Also some power retailers have EV plans where you can get 8 cent kwh between midnight and 6am.

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

Yes I have heard of that. I wonder how long the savings will take to recoup the cost of installing the charger and wiring up the new circuit.

@asmrlyfe8522 6 ай бұрын

Great video, would be awesome to get more of these real world things about the car, e.g. average consumption, Following to see more! 🎉

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, do let me know what you would like to watch. My average consumption is currently 14.4 kWh/100km at the moment.

@katelights 5 ай бұрын

I'm getting an EV this year, and I already have a 7kw charger installed. (We needed some other electrical work done so had it all done together)

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

Wise call. Hope it's not too expensive for you.

@ricosun 6 ай бұрын

Great Video ! I think the included charger for me is fine as the max I will do is 50km a day. I don't think I can justify spending a thousand dollars for 7kw wall charger. As I work from home 100% of the time, I want to fully use my solar panel to recharge. Even when my solar panels are in full sun light, it will probably give me 3 kw to the car. So the extra benefit is not that much. If I need to do a long road trip, and my batteries are low. I can always drive to a fast charger. I think even after 10 years, it will still be cheaper than installing a wall charger.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yes this is my plan too, but I am nore sure. I most likely will do more than 50km a day, so hopefully I can charge more than I consume with this charger.

@tonylangelaan3094 6 ай бұрын

I'm in the same situation as you working from home, I am thinking of having a 32Amp socket installed and buying a portable 7kW charger for about $350. Our energy provider offers a 2 hour window of free electricity every day, 12noon-2pm. With a faster charger i can charge the car in the free period and basically not pay anything to run the car

@stevenleonards4843 6 ай бұрын

@@tonylangelaan3094 how do you get this plan?

@tonylangelaan3094 6 ай бұрын

@@stevenleonards4843 our provider is Globird energy, the plan is called Freelunch. OVO energy have an EV plan, where they charge 8cents/kWh from midnight to 6am. I like our plan, we run the dishwasher, washing machine, charge the car during the free period, has cut our energy bill down a lot

@g_liout3923 2 ай бұрын

i want to ask you something. If you have 3 phase socket with a 32A and you put the BYD-supplied portable "granny" charger will it still charge with 1.5kw?

@FreddyGunawan 5 ай бұрын

Thank you for charger review 1.5kw is more than enough for inner city commute

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

So far, I am still testing it out as I start going back to work in January after the holidays. The 1.5kW charger appears to be enough as I can charge up about 30% for one night. I'll be making a video about this in a month or two after I get my usage and charging pattern.

@sobreinquisidor 2 ай бұрын

How much that 30% charge translates to Km? In order words, what is the maximum km that one can drive a day comfortably

@CharlesLeoYNWA 4 ай бұрын

Thank you for the informative video. I know it takes time and effort to make these videos and so I wanted to give you a shout out to say, thank you! I am waiting for delivery of the BYD Seal which would come in March, and so I have no physical access to try the things I have seen on the videos you have made so far. And so I am curious about that warning tip at the bottom of the screen that says "The car has a reservation charging function..." could you share what that is? Is that to set a charging limit and stop the battery from charging to 100% to protect the health of the battery?

@SkyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for appreciating my time and effort. It makes my hard work all worthwhile as I like to share my knowledge with everyone. Yes and no. The reservation charging function message is referring to the time period limit. We cannot set a limit based on the battery percentage, like we cannot set it to stop charging when it reaches 80%. We can only set based on time period, for example, only charge between 10pm and 7am the next day. Base on time, not based on percentage battery. Let me know if you have other questions.

@CharlesLeoYNWA 4 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective Really appreciate the reply. So managing battery health would be a tat more difficult because it all has to be managed manually.

@cmathieu 4 ай бұрын

Great video - would be interesting to also compare charging via a wall charger at home and DC charger to see how much quicker it will be

@SkyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

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@cmathieu 4 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective thanks. Have you done a range test?

@SkyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

@cmathieu no not really, but I am logging my charging times and my odo readings over this 2 months. Will make the video when done.

@vasil7410 5 ай бұрын

The maximum I get is 1.3kW. My Tesla mobile charger delivers 2kW on the same 10 amp wall socket. At least BYD provide the charger for free, unlike Tesla. The Tesla charger can even go up to 7kW, but you need to purchase a 32 amp single phase tail as an accessory, which is also quite expensive.

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

I think 1.5kW is good as it won't put too much load on the house electrical wall socket and cabling. I feel safe charging it overnight at lower Wattage.

@farhan4075 6 ай бұрын

Great video, can you please share your real life range for your BYD Seal? And avg energy consumption. Could you please also share a video on the app functionality? Is it useful as the tesla app?

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

14.4 kWh/100km is my average consumption and I have been driving with Energy Feedback Intensity = Standard, meaning I didn't use much regenerative braking because I prefer quiet comfortable slow quiet subtle driving to just cruise along. I will be making a video of the app soon.

@farhan4075 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective thanks, also to confirm is this a premium or Dynamic model?

@Clove_Parma 6 ай бұрын

@@farhan4075he has a dynamic

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Dynamic

@vasil7410 5 ай бұрын

If I drive carefully I can get as low as 11kWh/100kms in my Seal Performance around town. Better than even my Tesla SR+. I had no idea I could get such amazing efficiency in my Seal when I first bought it because, well, I drove it like a hoon to start with. Obviously, it's not practical to drive it this carefully all the time but with relaxed city driving I can get around 14kWh/100kms. This is pretty amazing when you consider how much power is on tap when you do want to put your foot down. With spirited driving it does jump to over 20kWh/100kms, but you are talking about a very fast car. But it's important not to get too hung up about efficiency in EVs. It is still so much cheaper to run than a comparable petrol car.

@Twopeetfeet 6 ай бұрын

There is no excuse for any homeowner that's on landed property i.e. not an apartment to not install a 32A/7kw charger for their EV. This is a $60k car paired with a cheapo home charger, its like feeding a bodybuilder a 6 pack of chicken nuggets. Melbourne Tesla M3 owner here, I use 12kwh a day to commute for work and charge at 8c/kwh with my offpeak rate. I also get 11am to 2pm free electricity use which equates to nearly 20kwh of free charging at 32A. P.s. I test drove the seal and like it a lot.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Hahaha I love your chicken nuggets analogy. Yes I know. I intend to give myself 3 months to see if I can survive with this slow BYD chicken nugget charger. Only when I get back to my work / school routine then I'll know if I need to get a more powerful charger. Thanks for sharing.

@fatdoi003 5 ай бұрын

just a question of concern, will the prolonged use of regular wall socket degrade or overload the powerpoint wires behind the wall?

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

Those are my questions and concerns as well, and I am not sure. Hopefully, others who have used this charger like this for a long time can share their experience. Maybe those Atto 3 owners.

@romsa1977 3 ай бұрын

Make sure powerpoint have properly tight connected wires in wall and this powerpoint not old, preffer use powerpoint without switch, if that powerpoint can supply 10A that mean wires not less then 1.5mm then nothing should overheat if no loose connections present@@SkyPerspective

@honestjohn6222 4 ай бұрын

Good video, what model is the Seal

@SkyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

Dynamic

@romsa1977 3 ай бұрын

Slow charge with BYD 8A EVSE is good for balancing cells in battery because balancing according to owner manual starts when battery almost charged then car display message Calculate and with such low power this stage is long enough to let the bms deal with balancing of cells, i use it to charge every day from 98% to 100%, but using slow charger increases loses on conversion and power needed to support all car systems during charge session - one hour of charging with 8A EVSE will give 1.5kWh and ~ 280w will be lost (with Atto 3)

@SkyPerspective 18 күн бұрын

Wow, thanks for sharing your informative insight. I only just saw this message. So what do you use to charge your atto 3 to 98% before using the 8kW charger to charge to 100%?

@romsa1977 18 күн бұрын

I use AC charging 32a one phase or 3x16A (My Atto 3 is EU with 3 phase OBC)

@SkyPerspective 18 күн бұрын

@romsa1977 sounds like a good way to look after the longevity of the battery, balancing charging time and power loss to bms.

@Visethelegend 4 ай бұрын

So if we can't use extension chords, how long is that charger that was provided?

@romsa1977 3 ай бұрын

We can use extention cord , i use DIY one made from 3/12AWG 100FT (30m) cord that i bougt from Amazon and replaced US plug and socket to what i need, 12AWG is more then 2.5mm in EU (actualy BYD recommends use if absolutly needed extention with wires not less then 1.5mm for 8A charger), my extention cord good enough also with 16 amp charge rate but voltage with such load falls a bit and that gives only 3.1kw instead of 3.2 kw, but please please please make sure bith socket and plug on extention is properly assembled and home socket not old and checked so no place in connection have loose wires - losse wire and extended period of usage with high power=fire !!!

@Visethelegend 3 ай бұрын

@@romsa1977 thanks for such detailed info

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Not sure if 1.5 kW is normal or low. It could be due to my old house's electrical wiring. Do you have the same BYD portable charger? How many kW are you charging at?

@Paul-ow9dd 6 ай бұрын

Using this "slow" charger on our Atto 3 it charges at 1.3kW, which is normal for the Atto 3. The seal may be slightly higher at 1.5. Unfortunately, we won't get close to 2.4kW with these chargers connected to a 10A outlet. I was a bit disappointed finding this out. Using an extension lead isn't a problem as long as you DO NOT leave it bunched up as the cable does get warm. Not hot, but warm. I connected the charger to a 20-metre extension lead when we rented a house for a couple of nights. The Atto was similar, I charged the battery by about 30% after ~14 hours. Plenty of owners use this charger as their only charger at home. We installed a ZBENY single phase 7kW charger, which the Atto 3 charges at 6.3kW. For us it was worth the $1000-$1200 purchase and install cost as we will soon have another EV, either a Seal Premium or Performance OR a Tesla M3??? Although.... I'm hearing that the Model Y "Juniper" (similar to the Highland) should be available around mid 2024. More choices?...

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Hi@@Paul-ow9dd so good to hear your information knowing your Atto 3 charges at about the same 1.3-1.5kW with this charger. I am still wondering if my charger or my house's electricity wiring has any issues. I thought of trying the extension lead so I can drive my car head-in instead of always having to reverse parking into my garage whenever I need to charge. Thanks for the information that the extension lead will get warm. With that, I don't think it's worth the risk to use an extension. My guess is probably the lead brought it down from 1.5 to 1.3kW. Thanks a lot for all your information. If you are considering Model Y / SUV, perhaps consider BYD Sea Lion? I think it's called BYD Seal U in other countries.

@Paul-ow9dd 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective The extension lead will only get as warm as the 3pin charger plug gets whilst plugged into your GPO socket, which is only slightly warm. Just use a short lead fully uncurled and you won't have an issue. Our 7kw wall charger has a 7-metre charger lead, it gets warm. I make sure it's not curled up when charging. Yes, the Seal Lion looks like an interesting EV from BYD to be an alternative to the Model Y. Just no word if it will make it to Australia. I'm hearing a hybrid may be coming here from BYD. Not something I'd be interested in. Silly move, but I guess there is still a fair bit of resistance in this country to EV's. I'm still waiting to test drive the Premium and Performance Seals. Hopefully soon...

@snip3d 6 ай бұрын

Any reason its charging so slow? 6A/1.5kW seems horribly painful. I'd expect close to double on a 10A Australian socket with a Tesla UMC. Is it a charger limitation?

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yes I know 6A doesn't seem right especially when the label on the cable box says its rated current is 8A. I suspect it's due to my house's electrical system.

@snip3d 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective likely voltage drop

@AndrewChurchchurchado 6 ай бұрын

What's the length of the cable for the charger?

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

6 ай бұрын

I suspect that BYD intentionally designed the mobile charger to be somewhat weak so that there are no problems with the usual home electrical system. I achieve about 1.9 kW. I can achieve approx. 3.1 kW on the same socket with another, similar charger.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

I have the same feeling. This is good because I know the BYD charger will not overload my house electricity circuit. I don't mind it slow. Which brand is your other charger? 3.1kW is a lot of amp for 220-240V socket. Your socket is most likely a 15 amp socket with the bigger earth pin.

@warrennalty6599 5 ай бұрын

What size kWh is your battery. Nerd: The cable is EVSE, not a charger. The cable feeds power in a controlled manner to the onboard charger OBC in the vehicle. It converts AC into DC and charges the battery.

@SkyPerspective 5 ай бұрын

61.44. Thanks for teaching me. What does your EVSE stands for when you say the cable is EVSE ?

@davidzablockyj8103 6 ай бұрын

Can I ask you how long is the charger

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

5 meters

@davidolsson Ай бұрын

Mine tops at 1.7. My tesla charged at 2.3 on the same charger. Why is the seal slower?

@SkyPerspective Ай бұрын

It's the BYD supplied charger that is slow, not the Seal. I recently got a higher amp charger. I can get up to 3kW when I push it up to 15amp.

@davidolsson Ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective i have a tesla wall charger also set at 10A. Still only get 1.7 from that too. Something is fishy.

@SkyPerspective Ай бұрын

@davidolsson i think between the Seal, the charger and the cable, the charger and Seal will negotiate to find the lowest wattage either of those three can take.

@Maestro47 6 ай бұрын

What's the length of the cable? Is it 5m?

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yes, it's 5m.

@Maestro47 6 ай бұрын

Ahhh semi painful. Might not be long enough for me and can't use an extension cable either.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yap, that's the trouble I am going through. I got to reverse into my garage every time because I couldn't use an extension lead.

@narutokunn 6 ай бұрын

You are usually very attentive to details ... this time you skipped mentioning what does the Warning on the charging screen represent 😄 Just wondering if it affects the charging speeds in any manner

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Hi N U, Do you mean the "warm tip" sentence at the bottom of the screen? It's basically telling us we can schedule the charging to start and stop at a certain time of the day or night, for example if we only want to start charging at 10pm when the electricity tarrif is cheaper. It's a tip not a warning. To be honest, I was wondering if I am giving everyone too much details till it's too boring. Everyone who drive petrol ICE car asked me how long does it takes to charge and how far can I drive my EV, hence I made this video.

@narutokunn 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective ah ok okay I misunderstood it then. I thought it was something similar to trickle charging that you can setup in some phones where the phone deliberately charges slower after x% battery (say you are putting it for charging overnight ... so it can charge slower and preserve battery health)

@narutokunn 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective btw... do you have different electricity tarrifs for different time of day there in Australia? Interesting concept... we don't have it here ... at least I have never heard.

@angastiernan 6 ай бұрын

I’m with (and also work for) Amber Electric, which passes through the wholesale price of electricity, which dynamically changes every 30 minutes. So, you really can pick out the cheapest times to charge.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Oh I see, no we don't get much control apart from the time of the day to charge. The battery management is pretty good these days especially with new LFP battery chemistry, they allow us to charge to 100% everytime, as compared to older NMC battery type.

@LocoPoco-bp5sx 6 ай бұрын

I don't see how anyone could reliably get in at night and drive in the morning consistently with this. A 7kw home charger seems a must

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Well, I hope I can. Let's check back in 3 months when I get back to driving to work and school routine to see if I can sustain like this. This gives me an idea, I will make a video about how I sustained 3 months with just a 1.5kW charger for my BYD Seal, that's if I manage to do so.

@Paul-ow9dd 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective Should be fine if you don't drain the battery too far down. But remember, BYD recommend fully charging the battery to 100% about once a week, and also recommend every few months to drain the battery below 10% and then charge to 100%. This is to reduce the batteries having different capacities. Basically, resetting them occasionally so they discharge and charge at the same (or similar) rate. This is where having a wall charger makes things easier. I guess you could use a public charger occasionally to do this as well. I'll probably drop the charge to below 10% every 2 or 3 months and then charge to 100% in one go. With our Atto I mostly allow the battery to discharge to 20-30% before charging. But sometimes I'll top it up when it's above 30%.

@jimmyhayashikeisho 4 ай бұрын

What is the longest range driven in the Dynamic on a full charge?

@SkyPerspective 4 ай бұрын

About 300km.

@jb5music 6 ай бұрын

Australia is 220 correct? USA is the oddball country that has 110. It would probably be far worse with 110. That's why they made the USA 110. Just so this mild and slow method wouldn't work.

@snip3d 6 ай бұрын

230v, 50hz - A good standard AU socket should be up to 12A which is 2.76kW - 2880kW depending on voltage drop. Unsure why he only seeing 1.5kW max.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Yes, Australia is 220-240V and 12A would be perfect, but not for this charger. On the label of the charger cable box, it says: Rated Voltage: 230V AC, 50Hz Rated Current: 8A So it's supposed to at least operate at 8A even if I could not get 12A. Based on 1.5kW I think I am only getting 6A. I suspect it's my old house's electrical cabling. That's why I wonder if there are others in the same boat as me.

@snip3d 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective Try a different powerpoint, if you're near Hornsby NSW - happy for you to visit and test one my sockets, a tesla UMC and a Tesla wall charger. all work fine at max (22kw/3kw/8A no problem)

@Paul-ow9dd 6 ай бұрын

@@snip3d Deliberate limited. I believe it's the car doing the limiting, but I could be wrong. I queried the salesman of our Atto 3 and he said yes, the Atto 3 will only charge at 1.3kw. Probably a safety limitation also as running at ~2400 watts would mean the charger runs quite warm and could prematurely fail, or even be a potential risk. Not a voltage drop in his house.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

@@Paul-ow9dd I suspect you are right, it's for safety that's why BYD limits to 1.3kW I am happy I can get 1.5kW already. Didn't want to force that old wall socket to run such high load. So far the charging cable and wall socket are not hot at all even now in summer, only the cable regulator box is warm.

@shannonholt6399 6 ай бұрын

Why buy a 'green' car then charge at night with coal? AEMO shows the excess supply during sunny hours. It may seem green what your doing. But imagine 20million EV's slow charging at night in Australia? The CO2 emissions would be next level

@ThePantheons 5 ай бұрын

Emissions of a green car are infinitely lower even including a charge up than a petrol puffing Hilux all over the roads from a who cares teenager

@jspanga 6 ай бұрын

ooft, you poor soul. why not get a 7kW wall charger? ~4x your charging speed.

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

Because it costs money? If I am driving more than 400 to 500km a week, then I may consider getting a 7kW charger installed at home. Actually, I might consider 50kW supercharger + this granny charger combo first before I install the 7kW charger. Right now it's the holiday for me so I don't need to drive to work and school.

@jspanga 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspective fair enough I guess.. not that much money though? the car was probably 50k AUD.. charger would be around 2-3k, maybe 3-4 installed? For myself, will be driving around 350km a week, think I will still get the 7kW charger as well (though solar + batt max charging will be ~5kW) How long was the wait time for your BYD?

@SkyPerspective 6 ай бұрын

About 7 weeks. I ordered the 3rd day after BYD launch event.

@inka86 6 ай бұрын

I agree with you. I was going to buy a 7kw home charger but realistically.. not necessary unless you're driving 100km+ per day. @SkyPerspective

@Clove_Parma 6 ай бұрын

@@SkyPerspectivejust keep in mind mate that 2.1kW charging is less efficient than 7kW charging, you’re using more electricity as the car’s BMS uses a relatively stable amount of power regardless of the charging speed. Keep in mind that you’ll use more power in the end due to this