I've seen people talk about how powerful Communism in V3 is and how terrible it is - It's actually both and neither! Let's save this Soviet Union!

In my experiance, i prefer to do worker coops through council republic instead of government run through command economy. I just feel that the standard of living increase from coops are better than the forced subsidies and powerful beurocrats.

you'd think that government run buildings would give their profits to the government... and not just some random government workers... at the very least, government run should have a much higer taxation rate on dividends. also seems like this whole save could boiled down to "fix your urban centers, fix your railroads"

I think gov run should give some of the dividends directly into your budget, it kind of makes sense and it makes it actually worth going for then Because right now worker coop is just infinitely better

Weird that government run gives the money to the bureaucrats rather than mostly to the government and instead increasing the needed wages because you pay the bureaucrats as well. Could be a decent alternative such that you get a lot of money to invest into the rest of your economy rather than having those specific workers just be v. rich that gives you a portion of it. So essentially you'd get more money but less standard of living, so it would probably benefit the 5 year plan push for industrialisation and development style of playing even more.

It's weird that Paradox chose to tax dividends at higher rates than wages with "graduated taxation". I mean "graduated taxation" is pretty much what we have all around the world nowadays (even if the effective taxation rate actually goes down when going from the moderately rich to the super rich) but taxation on dividends is pretty much always much lower than on wages. If I take France for instance, the example I know best, the theoretical maximum taxation rate on dividends is 12.8% (but in practice it's often 0%) while the theoretical maximum taxation rate on wages (income tax only) is 45% (I don't really know what is the effective rate for the income tax alone, but I'm confident it gets above 12.8%). So Paradox's version of graduated taxation sounds like some kind of radical social-democracy, in a very tiny space between liberalism and communism. Or otherwise we might have to consider that this law only makes sense under communism (but then the concept of dividend doesn't really apply strictly speaking).

Now that I think about it, I've never played an autocracy game before. Like, each time I decide to play a regressive autocratic state, I somehow end up with a market socialist economy instead. So like, interventionism + council republic. The main issues that I have to deal with is that by the 1890s is, a) the entire game slowing down drastically, b) when I outgrow my economy that I outgrow available resources. Like, oil really is hard to come by to get from the AI.

I've noticed many people saying Communism is unreasonably good, because it works "perfectly", aka there's no corruption or inefficiency, etc. Also all Profits actually get redistributed to the people, instead of the state. But honestly the same is true for capitalism to a certain extent. Because capitalism in game gets a "perfect market", where every sell- and buy-order is considered equally by every market participant allowing them to create perfect prices.

Roleplays the Soviet Union. > Administrative Clergy

Chances are when you are constructing, you are not building the EXACT same amount that you need to EXACTLY cover the needs of your economy. Once you are rich and powerful, you will probably slightly overbuild. Normally, this is not a big issue, because the building will just stop hiring when it is no longer profitable. Command economy forces you to fully staff every single building, which means that you need to plan your buildings much better. After passing it check out your largest expenses under subsidies and look at the individual buildings: you will see a lot of them are massively overproducing and so are not profitable. You will need to fix this.

-So I have this run that is going poorly… -OPB: Declare bankruptcy

Worker coops could reduce or even remove economies of scale bonuses, because as a coop can become more difficult to manage as it grows, this might check the insane growth potential of them

The economy dominated by a small nomenclatura of bureaucrats? To be honest our USSR had definitely a governement run economy ^^

Siberian oil in a less than 1 bil GDP economy is like Chad's protein shakes

I would say that in this specific playthrough the use of Command Economy and Worker Protections worked out because it was Russia. Doing something like this in e.g. Japan is nowhere near as simple, because the whole growth strategy in this game was "use the huge amount of oil that this land has", and not every nation is a Russia or a USA sitting on huge oil reserves. If you don't have the natural resources to balance your production then you can't get things anywhere near this even. I also saw that the institution behind the minimum wage was at a low level, which is a lot more manageable because market mechanisms mostly keep wages from going that low regardless. A fully levelled institution with this law can create an absurd amount of pressure, and the only way I found to survive clearing the "council power" journal entry was to adopt the law for this last and then immediately defund the institution. Finally, if you're not going for a dictatorship then building up the Trade Union clout (which happens naturally with prosperous co-ops) lets the Communist Party slam-dunk elections and keep a high legitimacy, flooding even a stagnant economy with loyalists.

Both railways and urban centers will become incredibly unprofitable in the late-game, since both services as well as transportation tend to be massively overproduced. This means that production methods which produce more goods are less productive than older methods, since the goods they produce become far too cheap and the wages the employees demand will be much higher. You can counteract this by not using any passenger carriages for your railways and using the lowest possible settings for your urban centers except for transportation, so they will convert transportation (and a bit of wood) into services. While they will produce less services, their cost to produce them will also be far lower, while the prices for both transportation as well as services increase, making all of them profitable again. It's likely that simply making this change would have already been sufficient to salvage this disaster.

Ooh boy, this video looks interesting, it might be useful for my next game. *39 minutes and 52 seconds later* Союз нерушимый республик свободных Сплотила навеки Великая Русь. Да здравствует созданный волей народов Единый, могучий Советский Союз!

14:35 If you're going for the RP value of being a closed society (no migration in/out/within at all) then yes, it does seem rather pointless. If you're going with Migration Controls (allows internal migration) then the increased migration attraction does actually do something useful for you in that it speeds up the rate at which internal migration happens. This can be very beneficial as it moves pops around much more quickly and thus improves radicals/loyalists management.

19:55 You do have to be careful with basing your income on the dividends taxes as at some point you may reach market saturation and then the profits of your factories collapses and suddenly your tax income also collapses.

The economy is fine but something like constant sabotage from capitalist nations would be a good balancing factor

tbh, i (as a commie) felt that the capitalist system in vic3 was abt as unintuitive as the eco in vic2 was, the communist system feels... homey, understandable and the plans actually have grip (less leeway to fuck up, greater peak efficiency) leave your preconcieved notions at the councils doorstep, rethink the economy as you now are a company of companies instead of a cog within the company of interests... well said opb, well said!

My guy was really roleplaying. He created Russian oligarchs like 60 years early.

It seems as though government run should confer benefits regarding supply and cost of goods, as this would keep their inefficiencies while showing their real strength of being the best way for the state to maintain surplus capacity for significant strategic projects.

With China and going communist you can get to 8billion GDP with like 1.2 billion pops.

Wait, money in a government owned buildings go to bureaucrats? That doesn't make sense. Government is the owner, so government has to get the money. Bureaucrats are only hired to run it and should just get their salary for it. Also in a cooperative why would it discriminate against engineers? The tooltips only say there'll be more of bureaucrats or more workers employed, they don't say anything about who would get the money. So I've assumed in a government owned building the government would get the money and in a cooperative everyone employed would get their share. But if what you're saying is correct, then the game is even more broken than I thought.

Based Communism, as always

I’d like to see a Hoi4 mod based on this save game at the start.

Vorwärts und nicht vergessen, Worin unsere Stärke besteht! Beim Hungern und beim Essen, Vorwärts und nie vergessen: die Solidarität!

There is actually one more thing to consider: Worker cooperatives are actually more profitable for a building as well. This is due to two reasons 1. Laborers and Machinists actually require less wages than the small amount of capitalists employed by privately owned (More on that later) 2. Less money is allocated towards paying shares upfront because instead of the "5" shares that capitalists get by default laborers and machinists get "1" each, totaling to "2" \\\Explanation Below/// Explanation to some of the mechanics: 1. Wage calculation isn't entirely clear to me, but what I can gather from it is this: People need money to sustain their wealth. (if their weekly balance isn't zero they switch wealth levels and adjust their consumption) The money needed for each pop is averaged, then this average is set as the base wage. (You must pay base wage if you subsidise otherwise it's dynamic) Now the important part: Each profession has a "wage weight" Laborers have 1, Machinists 1.5, Engineers 3, Capitalists 6! This is basically a ratio that CANNOT be influenced, and is ever present The production method that defines worker amounts for food industry as an example has 100 capitalists at privately owned, while worker cooperative has 100 laborers and 100 machinists per level. Meaning privately owned based on wages alone is 2.4 TIMES as expensive as worker cooperative ([6x100]/[100+1.5x100]) (mind you, if you look at the whole wage situation this is a lot less impactful, but a building that is struggling to keep being profitable will flip to definitely being such) 2. Share amounts are not referenced in the game itself whatsoever, (neither are wage weights) but what they essentially seem to do, is allocate a percentage of the profits to be paid out before flowing into cash reserves. Judging by this worker cooperative is 60% less money preallocated by the building to its owners before filling its reserves. Now this simply means that a (barely) struggling building won't empty it's reserves, to then fire its pops while lowering the wage, (I'm not sure what order this happens in the current patch, but firing seemed to happen first before 1.1) Instead it will stay profitable, fill its cash reserves and THEN start paying its owners the extra. This is especially impactful for auto expansion because it will happen faster and buildings can grow larger making the goods cheaper, and employing (and thus enriching) more workers tl;dr: Worker Cooperatives are not only better for the reasons outlined in the video, but will also let your buildings be bigger while still turning a profit before market imbalance makes them unprofitable.

Hm it would be cool to have a bit more options to modify your economy laws. For example why can you not choose that worker cooperatives have to give a certain amount as investment money? Or why does all the money from a state managed industry into the pockets of bureaucrats? Is that a way to represent corruption? Or is there an historical president? I heared about the soviet apparatchiks and it makes sense to simulate that, but did they really got all the money from the industries they owned?

Hey, we have market stalls here still today! Clearly the superior workmode🗿🍷

Not related vic 3 but just wanted to ask when is the third season of your ck3 campaing going to be released. No pressure just eager to see it continue. Amazing video as always!

That's the first time I see a lavish level of SoL in Vic3.

Bro explains why the soviet's economy is collapsing and have an alternative. Truly a great economist.

I love how in-depth you go, really helps me get better at the game.

Your knowledge of this game is just fascinating.

The issue is 377mln gdp in 1928... It doesn't matter if you go command economy or not, that is a disaster economy to begin with...

Well You need (both domestic & especially foreign) migration since one of the laws that the interest groups under a Communist government will support is public schools which gives You +12.5% assimilation in addition to +10% education access. This is important since pops who came from foreign lands & accepted but aren't apart of the primary culture's homeland will adopt the primary culture which allowed the pops of the primary culture to grow without the need of discrimination. That's why the Intelligentsia's +25% state migration attraction is still need it

I've trouble implementing communism in small nations, since i usually run out of workers very fast... For example, i tried to do something in columbia, but i'm stuck with 3 M people, with 100% employed ones, i can't build anything more... If someone do have an advice, i'll take it...

29:55 It should be noted that you may have to micro Engine Manufactories a little as changing every single factory that produces Engines to also produce Automobiles will almost certainly cause them to become unprofitable. But that is an exception to what OPB is saying, not the rule.

The one thing I really don’t get is when they switch to being communists randomly. I’ve had a few saves where standard of living was going up, the economy was strong, and all of a sudden after multiple elections in government with the industrialists the Intelligentsia randomly become communist and I can’t figure out why. If the number of radicals was going up or the standard of living for the poor was headed down, or there were lots of other communist nations I’d get it but there usually aren’t. It just happens all of a sudden and is quite strange. Communist revolutions and support popping up makes sense; having it happen without any gradual rise in support doesn’t.

This game made me realize I'm dumb af that i can't understand wtf is going on :D

6:27 we guarantee you liberty to keep your mouth shut and do as party says

Railways and urban centers are the biggest holes in budget. Them them profitable and you'll do fine. Service production goes through roof in late game so downgrade production methods. You can downgrade production methods of railways too.

The problems with games like Victoria 3 is that they have to balance important and often incompatible ideas: 1. It should be possible to play the game in different ways. Different ways of authoritarian playstyles should be possible. 2. The game should be historically accurate. 3. The game should accurately portray ideologies. Someone might want to create a authoritarian ultraconservative USA. But being very conservative has objectively had not the best track record in history. A government planned economy has shown a positive effect on building an early economy (like in the Soviet Union), but over time loose their effect compared to market economies. Similar with protectionism (used to build up Singapores industries, just to then open to the international market). That either forces developers to boost ideologies/laws artifically or make playstyle harder of even impossible.

Thank you! I've been struggling with this exact experience!

"They have no idea how to deal with it and weren't prepared at all" Don't worry Chad, neither did the communists lmao

Is the massive steps of 5 years plan a command economy specific strategy or is it also the strategy for capitalist laissez-faire economy? Because if so i find it very interesting that both styles requires very different mindset of playing

Every single Communist Run I’ve seen in Victoria 3 is just *THICC **_____*

good video as usual. it looks as though Vic2 still is better when it comes to showing the differences of both systems. laissez faire is essentially having your economy on autopilot vs. direct interventions in a socialist state. they should bring this back ASAP.

1.2 changed everything right?

Communism should be OP but it shouldn't be so easy to get to

Impressive. But I have a conundrum I am not sure even you can fix. My game made it so that the industrialists, intelligentsia, armed forces, rural folk AND the worker unions (not sure they are called that) - well they all made ONE PARTY! Now this party gets 90 % of votes, but it makes for illegitimate government with a score of about 15-20. The alternative is the illegitimate government of the opposition with the score of about 5-10. And I cannot even change the laws, since the government is not legit. The game cursed me. :P

Doesn't separating church and state increase migration?

38:34-38:49 This feels like what the US is doing in real life. But they can’t possibly keep it up forever, can they?

That's a thick Soviet Onion 🧅

why does this look like ludis recent comunist russia campain?

His majesty's economy

What if you are playing a country without its own oilfields?

Whats the difference, its all the same gameplay anyway, just depends on you

I guess you could max out secret police, encourage PB and discourage Intelligentsia in a full on planned economy and have a ton of wealthy PB making majority of the clout. Not that they are any useful, but it's at least a way to have them be relevant

Big mistake keeping taxes on very high all the game. You should never do it. Always on mid or lower taxes . - the less taxation the more money you make This happens when your pops are not taxed high they will contribute to your construction sector( forgot the word) And you build things for free . It's very powerful way to make a billion GDP with ease

"No one is prepared for how to handle the Command Economy" Yeah neither was the real Soviet Union...

This guy is DEFINITELY not a roleplayer. Because a roleplayer would've let a communist dictatorship collapse.

Day 1 of asking for unifying Germany as Baden

great video ! i learned a lot !

wow, thatțs a cursed Romania

Hello comrade Not the right Chad btw lmao

incredible video

chad = Ludy i belive

There’s no such thing as a “Soviet dictatorship” there can be no socialism without democracy. He Soviet Union was a democracy and more so than the bourgeoisie republics of the west

Thanks

Ludi?

just dont do command economy and communism is op

another fantastic video

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Man I love communism.

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The theme of this video is really distasteful considering that there's an authoritarian ruler out there right now trying to remake the soviet union.

Thank you OPB!

comunism is not sigma

A nice science fiction where communism actual worked ! 😄

to be frank it should just always fail as it would in the real world.

Chad!