" we noticed that people started noticing that israel has no claim to be a nation because they arent even people of israel but what is modern day Ukraine, which also has a Jewish president and is furthering globalist Zionism as an israel 2.0 "

​@George Floyd Dude anti-semitism exist

What is antisemitism? Is noticing Jewish behaviour throughout history since the Iron age hate? What about the many isms and ists, do you know "racist" was invented by JEWISH Leon Trotsky, with intent for non Whites to weaponise it against Whites, and to stop White people from identifying with their own race? What about who funded the Bolshevik Revolution? Wall Street Jews. What about the federal reserve? 1913, founded by JEWS, all of the central banks in the world all owned by Jews or shabbath goys.

​@George Floyd Judeo-deicide and Blood Libel are literally anti-semitism.

​@George Floyd Aren't Palestinians and Arabs Semites? Do they have immunity like the Jews in Europe and America?

Did he ask the same question to the jew?

​@@Ch-ew9tm i mean it would 2-1 so i don't think it matters

​@@lovelyhomeboy1584 still would be interesting to know what he would say as a runner up in case it didn't work out

Was it just a regular jew? Not a rabbi? He just got some random dude lol.

From what I heard he didn't get a Jewish representative. He was just so annoyed by the Muslim qadi and the Orthodox priest screaming at eachother he kicked them out and sent a letter to the nearest rabbi demanding he show up at court and circumcise his nobles.

I'm pretty sure this is the popular consensus when it comes to the Khazars, as I had learned something similar at school.

Thank you for sharing, that theory does sound possible

To add to this, there actually were numerous archeological digs in the area that uncovered many Jewish artifacts from the Khazars. Unfortunately, those digs were conducted by the Soviet Union, which wasn't too keen on the idea of a Jewish power raiding their ancestors. The archeological sites were flooded, and the artifacts destroyed or lost. There's actually was an old obscure documentary about the Jewish presence in the region (which I unfortunately do not know the name of off hand), which included a segment showcasing a small warehouse filled to the brim with said artifacts. Unfortunately it's likely that none of them survived, a true loss to history. 😢

@@jesterslight yeesh. It’s thinks like this that make me wonder just how much history and technology we lost because someone or something decided “fuck you in particular” to a group of people.

@@jesterslight fascinating! Thank you!

He has a fascinating story as well!

I assume it's not "removed" but reserved for later development. Especially in the new UI there is an awful lot of empty space around the two starting dates ;)

@@mortache If I remember right, they were essentially confirmed as removed a *long* time ago. That's not to say Paradox can't change their minds and add them at a later date anyway, but so far as I'm aware they're genuinely removed as of now.

@@DonFlufflesPrime I highly disagree. Maybe we won't get the sliding "every years in history" setting or the dozens of bookmarks from CK2, but the main bookmarks will definitely be there. You think they're gonna skip out on Charlemagne? And there's an awful lot of "empty space" between 1200s and the end date of 1453. Then there's Richard the goddamn Lionheart and Saladin

@@mortache Oh no I agree that it makes total sense for them to add it, but I believe I read something about them saying those dates wouldn't be added, at least a while back. I'm unsure whether they meant it wouldn't be added at release (which is probable) but the way I understood it, they were essentially stating that they wouldn't be adding those dates.

Interesting thing about Khazaria , there is a theory that Seljuks (yeah that Seljuks) came from a Khazarian family and later became part of Oghuz so it is an interesting theory but still it have little evidince (just like every theory on Seljuk families origin)

@@muratonuryilmaz5385That is very interesting and it could make sense since they might have moved down the black sea onto Anatolia and West Asia.

@@h3nder no they moved to Aral Region for some reasone in this theory as Seljuks found their Empire after they migrated from Oghuz lands around Aral Sea as we know first days of the Seljuk (The man they named their family after) use Jend as his own base of operations and later most of the Seljuks moved to Khorasan after his death

@@muratonuryilmaz5385 I see, interesting.

@@h3nder Bro thinks Seljukia formed in West Asia.💀 It's common knowledge it formed between the Aral and Atrek, modern western Turkmenistan.

CK2 didnt even have a unique form of judaism for the khazar like CK3 does

The idea that "nomads had no clear borders" is heavily questionned by many historians nowadays. The whole idea of nomads just wandering where they want is probably not very realistic. It's more likely that each nomadic tribe had its land, quite well known and delimited, with a summer and a winter pasture. Grazing on another tribe's pasture could mean war. At least, that's modern historians opinion on Mongol era. I don't know Xth century eurasian steppe that much.

nomads absolutely did have borders and it's a weird map-gamer exclusive overcorrection to claim that they didn't a lot of pastoral north american tribes operated on the basis of summer-winter land rotation on pre-scouted and well known pastures that would pretty much be their "borders" and it's rather likely that "old world" nomads operated in the exact same way except on a larger scale

@@alioshax7797 Having a territory and having borders are two very different things. Animals have territories, but they absolutely do not have borders.

This is actually incorrect as chimpanzees fought a "war" over territory between two rival chimpanzee communities. The concept of war (and thus a line separating "us" and "them", i.e. borders, if you stretch the meaning) predates humanity@@Saufs0ldat Edit: Gombe Chimpanzee War, 1974-1978

That would make sense if Paradox didn't make historical games.

Maybe

to be honest you can't be 100% historically accurat, there is a lot of history that can't be proven to an accurate degree and there will always be something to nitpick.

I agree. Historical accuracy is cool but as long as it is plausible and fun, well it's a game, not a history book.

The worse part is that it's a canard invented by people who simply didn't want to accept that the Ashkenazi came from either Europe or the Levant. So they claimed that they must have come from the Tartar lands. How this canard ended up in a Paradox game is quite shocking to me.

This dude is actually made up too. The "Tale of Bygone Years" by Nestor says that Rurik sent his two boyars called Askold and Dyre (name is actually pronounced like Deer) to pillage Constantinople, but in the process of doing so, since Kiev was located conveniently right on their path, they conquered and ruled it as co-rulers. After the fail in Constantinople Askold and Dyre ruled Kiev until Rurik's successor, Oleg aka Helgi 'the Seer' didn't decide one day that Kiev suits him better and then took the city, brutally slaying both. The problem is that there is no way to portray co-ruling in this game, which is why instead of Askold and Dyre PDX placed a guy called Dyre from house Askold

@@anobstinatecephalopod4605 There is a theory that indeed it was one person and Paradox went with it: "It seems that in Old East Slavic it was originally "askold Dir" and not "Askold i Dir" as it is known from the Primary Chronicle. The word askold or oskold is derived from Old Norse óskyldr meaning strange, so there was probably a ruler of Kiev called Dir by the Slavs and the Varangians called him something like "óskyldr Dyri"-stranger Dir. The Russian Varangians later forgot the meaning of óskyldr so Nestor wrote about two rulers of Kiev-about Askold and Dir."

@@tariver1693 The main argument in favour that Dyr was a single person is that in the whole Chronicle, Askold and Dyr were never mentioned seperetly. In every mention, the Chronicle always goes "Askold and Dyr did that" and "Askold and Dyr did this", implying that they were a single entity. And as you've already mentioned, óskyldr is not a real scandinavian name, so it might have been a title. The counterargument to this is that Askold was burried seperetly from Dyr according to the Chronicle, yet archeologists couldn't find any remains of either Askold or Dyr in those places, which makes the whole existance of both of them rather questionable.

@@starless267 to be honest, the credibility of Nestor is lacking, especially when we speak about pre-christian Rus. The thing is, the guy goes all for memes when talking about pagans, and doesn't even want to hide it; if I remember correctly, he described some slavic tribes as being incestuous, rakish and cannibalistic - until they accepted the light of Christ that is. He goes as far as naming the sole reason why Askold and Dyre failed in Constantinople: in his words, pagans were very successful at first, leaving Basileus no other choice but to pray to the God, who was so pissed at them for slaying and robbing good christians, that he conjured the storm that only damaged heathens. Not surprising, considering the guy was a monk.

I did that one time! I slowly built up my development and men-at-arms, and waited until they got a sucky emporer and kept getting bombarded by rebellious vassals and lost most of their army surpressing them. Went straight from count to emporer, it was crazy! Luckily I'd had Dyre rack up Diplo lifestyles, so he befriended most of his powerful vassals pretty quickly, though we did lose a couple duchies to independence wars...

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Make a nomadic government in ck3 and then it will be way more accurate than the current khazars

Bet the guys are Jewish and hence they felt such insecure about a historical fact. May they like it or not, the Khazar elite, at least nominally "converted" to Judaism. Their sincerity or how acknowledged they were is debatable, but it is a historical consensus that they had converted.

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Very interesting take!

Tengri seni korusun.

What's your views on the Khazari-Ashkenazi theory, which posits that a large percentage of the modern day Ashkenazi are of Khazar descent, which would make them converts to the religion of Judaism and not actual descendants of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. (also making their claim to the land of Israel illegitimate)

In two weeks :D

@@historyinbits Cheers!

@@historyinbits I’d be curious to know if your research yields anything interesting about the migration of peoples from England to the Black Sea known as “New England”… I’ve seen some about that but I haven’t thoroughly researched it. Perhaps it would be interesting for your vid!

i seen one before it basically the story Alfred the great

Similar to the Kieran rus, which is interesting

Funnily enough I actually learned about this in my college courses; the two primary sources we read discussing the origins of the Khazars were Ibn Fadlans, “risāla”, and Mas’ūdī’s “The Meadow of Gold and Mines of Precious Gems”. Both dated to the early 10th century, and written by Arabic authors.

This story comes from Khazar Correspondence that is mentioned in the video. From Wikipedia: After this, several generations passed until a certain King arose whose name was Bulan. He was a wise and God-fearing man, trusting in his Creator with all his heart. He expelled the wizards and idolaters from the land and took refuge in the shadow of his wings ... After this his fame was spread broadcast. The king of the Byzantines and the Arabs who had heard of him sent their envoys and ambassadors with great riches and many great presents to the King as well as some of their wise men with the object of converting him to their own religion. [The Byzantines and Arabs hoped to stop the raids of the Khazars by converting them and later make them allies through shared faith.] But the King-may his soul be bound up in the bundle of life [a standard burial phrase for Jews] With the Lord his God-being wise, sent for a learned Israelite. the King searched, inquired, and investigated carefully and brought the sages together that they might argue about their respective religions. Each of them refuted, however, the arguments of his opponent so that they could not agree. When the King saw this he said to them: "Go home, but return to me on the third day…" On the third day he called all the sages together and said to them. "Speak and argue with one another and make clear to me which is the best religion." They began to dispute with one another without arriving at any results until the King said to the Christian priest "What do you think? Of the religion of the Jews and the Muslims, which is to be preferred?" The priest answered: "The religion of the Israelites is better than that of the Muslims." The King then asked the qadi: "What do you say? Is the religion of the Israelites, or that of the Christians preferable?" The qadi answered: "The religion of the Israelites is preferable." Upon this the King said: "If this is so, you both have admitted with your own mouths that the religion of the Israelites is better Wherefore, trusting in the mercies of God and the power of the Almighty, I choose the religion of Israel, that is, the religion of Abraham. If that God in whom I trust, and in the shadow of whose wings I find refuge, will aid me, He can give me without labor the money, the gold, and the silver which you have promised me. As for you all, go now in peace to your land."

If we are being honest, much of history could easily be fabrication because we simply rely on the idea that many of our primary sources are telling the truth. There is no telling how many smear pieces, propaganda pieces, and outright lies form the backbone of what we think is a historical account of X leader or country. We simply can't question the accounts of judaism in the khanate because we just don't have much left from them.

Good idea, might do that :)

@@historyinbits Thanks!!!

@@MausOfTheHouse I understand making things up where they miss, but how can Paradox be so incompetent?

@@genovayork2468 They're competent, but sometimes have to change history for gameplay's sake.

@@MausOfTheHouse I refered to mistaking Bagrat's numeral from IV to II. They are so incompetent they can't copy right and the dumbest part, it has been unnoticed since release, for all these 3 years. 💀

:)

I think you’re right!

half the fun of ck is the guesswork, right? right? i am not the only weirdo here???

I’m fairly certain Paradox gave up and invented the majority of the rulers in the more isolated regions of the game because the developers grew tired of trying to find out who ruled the middle of nowhere in 867 AD.

@@chinsaw2727 Yeah. In CK2 they went even further up norse. Even to Kolguyev Island. But for CK3 they gave up moving that far because this is even more unknown.

Some historians suggest that members of Ashina dynasty ruled Khazaria.

Very interesting!

Is the ashina the same with the ashin gyoro? The one who would give rise to some korean warlords, second bulgarian empire and even manchu people

Or the ashina of japan?

@@nicetas2344 The Aisin-Gioro are unrelated to the Ashina. The Asen Dynasty of Bulgaria might be related to the Ashina, though this is unlikely. However, the Ashina of the Göktürks and the Ashina of the Khazars are likely one and the same. Irbis, the founder of the Khazar Khanate, is almost certainly Irbis Shegui, a western Göktürk Khagan who lost power and then evidently re-established himself even further west.

Interesting idea

As a Turk, we learned that Khazars just "converted" to Judaism via Marriages. Jew is an ethnicity not a religion and if I'm not wrong they're only referred as Jews not Judaists. Khazar Khan's married Jewish women to show cultural acceptence and Jews think Jewishness comes from the mother. So therefore, Khazar Khan's were Jews. This might've effected their look on Judaism and they probably adopted some ideas as in Tengriism theres not any correct way of worship. So, Tengriists just adopted whichever religious practices they found interesting. However, they also kept their own practices. I think Paradox did a great job by basically creating a seperate sect of Judaism which is a mixture of Tengriism and Judaism. Its quite plausable that Khazars would be somewhere in the middle.

We’ll look into it!

people can go to mars and you turk fanboys will claim the martians are turkic lmao

Why does that matter?

@@gojira4036 because their people weren't even jewish

@@ANJROTmania Who ever mentioned Martians?

I like how in the turkic world, the most vocal "turkic unity" demagogues are the people who are the least turkic and just have the closest name to the actual ethnic/cultural group. You should stop taking other turkic people's history and attributting it to yourselves, it's like a croatian priding himself in polish history because both ate slavic.

We’ll look into it!

Thank you very much, happy you like it :)

Thank you very much!

This is a PDX game man it’d take a real doozy to be controversial

@@Atlasvibranium you clearly haven't seen the HOI4 community

So far it’s been okay haha

Thank you!

Thank you for this great input, it’s a great point to make that history just often can be ambiguous!

Very cool! :D

Interesting story!

The Jews in Central Asia who are also called Bukharan Jews or Bukharian Jews have some Tajik/Pamiri-related ancestry from marrying several local women who converted to Judaism but do not have any Khazar ancestry as far as we can tell. The Bukharian Jewish haplogroups of Central Asian origin include J2b1a2a1b and F1b1. We have been studying their mitochondrial DNA and autosomal DNA in depth. They are paternally descended from Mizrahi Jewish migrants from the west. We should never speak of "the" ancestors of these Jewish groups when there are multiple origins to almost all of them. The same is true of Ashkenazi Jews, who are descended from a mix of many peoples, starting with Judeans, of course, then adding on Berber and Italian and Spanish and German and Slavic and yes even a few Khazarian elements. Again, well studied through DNA, and the Khazar Turkic traces in Ashkenazi Jews are called N9a3a1b1 and A-a1b3a1 on YFull MTree so take a look if you wish. Due to endogamous marriage over many centuries, every single Ashkenazi Jew in east-central Europe and eastern Europe has N9a3a1b1 and A-a1b3a1 somewhere among their ancestors, even though usually not in the direct maternal line.

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Thank you, glad you like it :)

I bet there will be a nomad DLC, as for CK2. As for place names - in CK2 there was a barony named Jälil. It's is actually a town in modern Tatarstan founded in 1964 and named after a Tatar poet Musa Cälil who died in German captivity.

Unfortunately Nomads were the least played gov type (for whatever reason) in CK2, so it's likely it will be a very long time before we get a Nomads update.

@@dylanroemmele906 still they are powerfull even now as there is a way to play them and get rich while not having to pay for MaA. It is a little nerfed with last update but still Oghuz is one of the best to play in Asia as you can get Bakü and Brysis than raid entire Balkans or even Caucasia after you get enough man and litteraly destroy economy of all entire Eastern Europe by having little counties and using them as a base of operations to raid every single barony.

Thank you for this input, very interesting and good point!

@@historyinbits another interesting input , my nation still have problem with reading and education , around %60 of Turks never finished high school so old traditions die hard.

Very interesting, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Do you happen to have a link you can share?

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In the Steppes of Central Asia by Borodin :)

Thank you!

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing!

I'm sure there are quite a few eastern european jews with Khazar descendency, but the vast majority are more germanic/slavic.

@@dylanroemmele906 We can quantify this pretty easily. East European Jews tend to be between 4 and 12 percent Slavic and 3 percent Germanic but only 0.5 to 2 percent Turkic, and have many more European haplogroups than Turkic haplogroups. The ones that would have been associated with Khazaria and its neighbor Alania are called A-a1b3a1, N9a3a1b1, and G2a-FGC1093 and were first discussed in the book "The Maternal Genetic Lineages of Ashkenazic Jews" in 2022.

there is not just speculation we know in history jews migrate to the area its not far fetch to see them take power on the khanate like in Ethiopia since you know they aint getting persecuted or put into ghetto

They made it up, that's it

@@agnusdei7697 Then where did all this historical evidence of Jewish influence in the region come from?

Its dope that its actually factual too!

Mustache man did nothing wrong watch Europa the last battle.

@@Gigachadsik IMustache man was a soycialist, so he definitely did do a lot wrong

@@Gigachadsik National Socialism is a failed socialist ideology. National Socialist economics failed, and by 1939 the extreme German budget deficit forced it to go to war to support it's failing socialist system with the resources of other nations. This ideology was also Autarkic, which once again is a stupid idea which once again forced Germany to go to war, leading to the death of tens of millions. The mustache man came up with this stupid ideology which resulted in so many deaths, so yes, he did a lot wrong.

​@@Gigachadsik By Nazi logic, Nazism have failed. You lost dummy.

​@@dylanroemmele906 Porsche, IG Farben, and etc were literally Nazi

Very interesting

I remember he decided against Islam cos he wouldn't be allowed to drink hahah

*Ukrainian chronicle

@@redy55 no

@@user-wx5dx2zt6q yes "Nestor the Chronicler, Born c.1056 Kiev, Kievan Rus’"

Thank you for this input!

Lithuanian Karaites and Crimean Karaites are descendants of the ancient Israelites and do not have any Turkic markers. You may wish to read the 2014 article "The Genetics of Crimean Karaites", for example.

@@user-jr4kc6lu9q they connection with kypcak turks.

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Origin of Askhenezis Jews is unknown, thinking that Jewish state in Eastern Europe had nothing to with them is just stupid.

Good point!

The Karaites who claim to be of Turkic origin are lying. Their Turkic language isn't the Khazarian type and their Judaism isn't the Khazar type either. DNA also disproves their claim. The study "The Genetic Signatures of East European Karaites" / "The Genetics of Crimean Karaites" shows that they carry some paternal haplogroups that Rabbinical Jewish populations have, such as L-PAGES00116, but don't even have one lineage of Turkic origin. Karaites who live in Israel today admit they have partial Israelite roots.

@@user-jr4kc6lu9q Thank You for your response! I wasn't aware of the study You mentioned, however I would assume that You are correct here. That would make sense, since these Karaites could simply use this claim as a National myth, without real evidence behind it. Well that invalidates a part of my comment, but the the rest stays the same. A Tengri faith with syncretism mechanics would be fun and I Hope in future patches nomads will be improved. Thanks again, for Your response

EU4 has Tengri syncretism

I wonder why

apparently the ruling dynasty of the Gokturks are vassals of the Khazars so that would be pretty cool

@@dylanroemmele906 I know but currently he and the rest of the turkic rulers lack any depth. Playing tall is torturing and map painting isn’t fun at all.

Very good idea!

@@dylanroemmele906 Nope, it is vice versa. Khazar elite highly likely were offshoots of the Ashina.

@@doyouwantthetotalwar cool but the game says otherwise and thats what im talking about

Super interesting, thank you for your input!

Thank you for this input, and glad you like our content!

its literally the same map and characters

That is a really interesting question, I always thought it had to do with the events in Northumberland that year.

Highly unlikely. Khazar elite, like any other Turkic polity back then were Tengriist, that fought against Islamic Ummayads for almost a century in religious wars/jihads declared upon them. It seems like some highly oblivious yet typical western(muhricuhn, in quite a probability) pseudo-academician conflated modern Turks(who are a predominantly muslim ethnicity of Turkey), Turkic and muslim (for the sake of "appeal to the occident" argument) and mixed all these terminology in the same pot and came up with such a "thesis".

We will at some point :)

Probably gonna do the seljuks soon!

Exactly central asia are the stans and the russian part after ural mountains and before yakutia

Millions of eastern european jews are a living evidence of the story’s authenticity

We had similar experiences

Oh really? We need to check that out

We’ll cover the Seljuks at some point!

Thanks for the feedback!