How I Met Chuck Norris

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OFFICIAL Bill ‘SUPERFOOT’ Wallace

OFFICIAL Bill ‘SUPERFOOT’ Wallace

3 жыл бұрын

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A fun interview with Bill on how he met the legendary Chuck Norris.
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@finhyland4270
@finhyland4270 3 жыл бұрын
Bill and Chuck are the definition of true martial artists..
@user-kz5jm8tn3w
@user-kz5jm8tn3w Жыл бұрын
shit. lol. i dont think u know shit from tar if u believe that.
@johnreidy2804
@johnreidy2804 4 ай бұрын
Both better than Bruce Lee the actor
@ImpactMMAFitness
@ImpactMMAFitness Жыл бұрын
The 2 best Middleweight Kickboxers in the World in 1980 fought each other, Bill Wallace vs. Ray McCallum. In McCallum's corner was Kickboxing Legend Demetrius "Golden Greek" Havanas! And working Bill Wallace's corner was...Chuck Norris! It was an AWESOME fight!!
@stephenconn8661
@stephenconn8661 Жыл бұрын
I'm fortunate enough to have met and trained with Bill 3 times, I also met Chuck in Florida in 93', 2 legends but most of all 2 absolute humble gentlemen
@victortaylor7737
@victortaylor7737 4 ай бұрын
I seen Chuck in 1989 in Cambridge Mass when he was doing a book signing his film career was at its height then.i got a real good look at him.never met Bill but always liked A.F.O.O with the both of them.
@davelankford4609
@davelankford4609 Жыл бұрын
Mr. Wallace was the guest host at the 1981Wyoming Kung fu/ Karate championship tournament in Gillette WY. I won the junior division and he presented me with my trophy. What an honor, I will never forget it as one of the highlights of my youth. He is the definition of class act.
@steelzepplin2012
@steelzepplin2012 10 ай бұрын
Much respect, this is awesome man! Great job and what a great story you will never forget!
@elvisjimpa100
@elvisjimpa100 Жыл бұрын
That left leg of his is crazy good.always has been.the timing,control and technics this man has in his legs are unreal.
@professorl.hilton.
@professorl.hilton. Жыл бұрын
I was training in Memphis back in 70s met Bill and was amazed that anyone could kick that fast!!
@rondodson5736
@rondodson5736 Жыл бұрын
This picture with Chuck, shows Bill's great sense of humor.
@tyquanrainey6039
@tyquanrainey6039 2 жыл бұрын
Without Question, One Of The Greatest Martial Arts Kickers Of All Time. I truly pattern my kicks after watching bill Wallace, An Icon Of Martial Arts Movements, especially with that left leg of his. Oss Master Wallace.
@jm7578
@jm7578 Жыл бұрын
I met Bill Superfoot Wallace at Super Summer Seminars at Lake Placid through Zen Do Kai. He was an amazing individual, he also came back to Schenectady at IUE hall. Those two times truly impacted me as a martial artist through out my whole life : even today…. Thank You Bill
@marcelinhotkd
@marcelinhotkd Жыл бұрын
Two Legends! 💯🥋🥋🙏
@sergkick
@sergkick 3 жыл бұрын
There is nothing better than a good friendship, especially in martial arts. I enjoyed this interview.
@waynepersica7393
@waynepersica7393 2 жыл бұрын
Been watching super foot since I was a kid . I’m 50 now and I enjoy and watching the content and fights of my man Superfoot! In my eyes the best kicker and fighter of all time and I boxed most of my life ! Thx again
@glane3962
@glane3962 Жыл бұрын
6 months and got his brown belt. Crazy times. I bet the training was 10x harder than what the average school is today
@georgeherrera9464
@georgeherrera9464 2 жыл бұрын
Two of my heroes. God bless Mr. Norris and Mr. Wallace
@keithwestmoreland8877
@keithwestmoreland8877 Жыл бұрын
The very first time I got to see Bill Wallace Was on ESPN... absolutely blew me away at that time he was fighting out of Memphis Tennessee and I was living in Nashville Tennessee I was eight or nine years old and I have been a fan ever since wish I could meet him thank you mr Wallace for all the enjoyment...from the ring to movie
@donbrock7675
@donbrock7675 7 ай бұрын
I met Bill at the Jet Center, we walked in to train that day and there was Bill kicking a bag. He took a picture with us and was a very humble friendly person. That was back in the mid 80's.
@stevestogdill7980
@stevestogdill7980 3 жыл бұрын
What a great interview. I love the line "....I have too much fun to be the bad guy....." so true. Bill you are so down to earth which mentors to all. And then, there's your skill. Just love this.....
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video 🙂
@ConsistencyReps
@ConsistencyReps 7 күн бұрын
@@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818you guys did great on A Force of One
@stephanM5
@stephanM5 2 жыл бұрын
What a great story.
@robertjennings3008
@robertjennings3008 2 жыл бұрын
I love these stories and the history. Very important to keep documenting it. Thanks
@anirbannandy1005
@anirbannandy1005 Жыл бұрын
God bless both of you my friends. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ with lots of love from India Anirban Nandy.
@thecreator1455
@thecreator1455 2 жыл бұрын
AWESOME GUY.
@neonomad1939
@neonomad1939 Жыл бұрын
I know it was late, but i spent the 80/90s obsessing over these guys, with movies and Black Belt mags.
@teedtad2534
@teedtad2534 Жыл бұрын
Bill SuperFoot Wallace was NEVER fake neither was Chuck Norris! I watched videos on bill SuperFoot Wallace and chuck Norris they were just something else to watch in action!! I ALSO seen Joe Lewis in full contact matches, he was one serious mean guy! Bill SuperFoot Wallace did so well in full contact karate! Wallace is an amazing person because he had limitations being he mainly used his LEFT leg cause his right leg was injured in judo!! ♾️✅✅♾️
@tonysisson898
@tonysisson898 Жыл бұрын
I think my favorite part of this interview was the picture at the end of the video with Chuck and Mr. Wallace hugging each other. That picture is just great and probably sums up how they feel about each other. Tony from Muncie
@slopsec2358
@slopsec2358 Жыл бұрын
Great to watch. I grew up with all these guys. They were up and coming while I was in High School in the 70s. I graduated in 1976. I have always had great respect of each of them. They're all fine people! Thank you for this!
@starfire0007
@starfire0007 9 ай бұрын
BICENNTENIAL
@shengchenfan
@shengchenfan 3 жыл бұрын
Bill's a great guy.
@expromanticart6491
@expromanticart6491 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks. You are great Mr. Wallace.
@claudioalfarano7769
@claudioalfarano7769 Жыл бұрын
I met mr Wallace in Napoli in the 80's for an italian Budo festival. I still have the recordings when he had as a partner to show his kicks and sparring my senior training partner. Wonderful memories. I have a podcast on martial arts and it would be wonderful to have mr Wallace as a guest
@georgebrunson8585
@georgebrunson8585 2 жыл бұрын
Mr. Wallace, I had no idea that you attended Jefferson High School on 9th and union street, Lafayette Indiana. Your home town was not fat from Lafayette Indiana. As I've grown up with you and Chuck Norris. However I'm to young to remember any TV Viewing of kick boxing, it was a popular sport in the martial arts, not popular enough to be shown on world wide sports. I respect your discipline, sportsmanship and integrity.. this country needs more of that Mr. Wallace. Simply love your attitude. It would be a great honor to meet you and the rest of the greats of a time long ago George Brunson Lafayette Indiana
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. I was just in Indiana and I do go there at least once a year (if not more) follow my schedule at SuperfootSystem.com
@drtedg
@drtedg 3 жыл бұрын
I have the honor to know both of these Great Men and Martial Artists personally and call them my 'friends'...they both have one thing in common...Humility and Love. They are the nicest, kindest, caring and sincerely wonderful individuals you would ever want to meet! GM Norris... The World's Greatest Living Martial Artist, and GM Bill Wallace …. America's Ambassador of Martial Arts to the World! No man alive has done more to promote the Martial Arts in the World than Chuck Norris....books, TV, movies...he has done it all! No one in the World has done more training of Karate and Martial Arts students across the World than Bill Wallace.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, we love what we do!
@RonAllenTaylor
@RonAllenTaylor 3 жыл бұрын
In the few moments I spoke with Bill Wallace (Karate College, Radford University), Love was flowing the whole time. What a blessing it was to be able to spend a few mins listening to him. I learned many lessons that day, some of which I am still unpacking. Thanks for being so approachable and accepting!
@jeffreyplumley9543
@jeffreyplumley9543 2 жыл бұрын
I have had the pleasure of meeting GM Wallace and spending time with him a few times over the years. Training under GM Joe Corley has allowed me to meet and spend time with many of my martial arts heroes and every single one of them is among the nicest guys I've ever met. Great interview sir
@Onelowluv
@Onelowluv Жыл бұрын
Amazing!!
@qashshah107
@qashshah107 2 жыл бұрын
Legend sir💪💪💪💪💪💪👍👌
@EM-xb1uc
@EM-xb1uc 2 жыл бұрын
That was a cool testimony 😎
@steelzepplin2012
@steelzepplin2012 10 ай бұрын
Just wow, what a great interview, this is legendary stuff! Liked and subbed!
@erichwebb8312
@erichwebb8312 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the share ..... much respect and appreciation to you and all brothers and sisters dedicated to martial arts and beyond . Side note my mother favorite show " Texas Walker Ranger " i'm sure if Superfoot as Villain made casual appearances her would have two heros to keep her entertained . Keep the faith ......
@tobcalmum74
@tobcalmum74 3 жыл бұрын
Lovely interview.
@TAROTAI
@TAROTAI Жыл бұрын
Sweetest Man love I've ever seen
@stephensmith4666
@stephensmith4666 Жыл бұрын
Wow I can't believe I found your channel! I've been a huge fan for years. Can't wait to see what's next.....peace
@craigaparton5545
@craigaparton5545 3 жыл бұрын
A kind Champion!
@whiteninja9481
@whiteninja9481 7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love Superfoot. He has to be my most favorite martial artist of all time. Everybody knows who he is, which is bizarre.
@ImpactMMAFitness
@ImpactMMAFitness Жыл бұрын
WOW! I was taking classes w/Bill Wallace in 1976, and on a Saturday after class, everyone had left and I watched him spar a big tall white guy - no kicking, just straight boxing. After he finished, he told me he was training for a fight, and that he'd be gone the next week. When he was back, I remember asking him how his fight turned out. He said he knocked him out (Jim Echolas), and that my first Instructor Jim Harrison was the referee!
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
Yes, very true. That tall white guy was Joey Hadley who was light heavyweight boxer (took second to Marvin Johnson in the 1972 olympics).
@07STREETGLIDE
@07STREETGLIDE 9 ай бұрын
Great interview! Saw Bill at a tournament in Nashville back in the 90s. Didn't get a chance to meet him because he was surrounded and he seemed very friendly and happy to be there. Loved the fact that he and Chuck sparred with no one around and just had a blast! Keep kickin' Bill!
@user-ii2hj8rm5u
@user-ii2hj8rm5u 3 ай бұрын
Bonsoir monsieur Bill Wallace respect à vous cordialement jean Louis
@johnklockyer
@johnklockyer 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! Love it!
@deathlarsen7502
@deathlarsen7502 Жыл бұрын
A Force of One is great! Bill was awesome in it..played a great bad guy
@JDsModernMartialArts
@JDsModernMartialArts 3 жыл бұрын
Superfoot is awesome
@simonhengle8316
@simonhengle8316 3 жыл бұрын
Fabulous interview, great to Bill looking so well, and wearing my clubs Superfoot sweat shirt, please pass onto Bill both my best wishes and that I’m now happily kicking to the head again with my two new hips, which I blame him for😂
@j-4691
@j-4691 3 жыл бұрын
I met Chuck Norris when my cousin Luis Delgado beat him, and another unknown Puertorican Adolfo Velasco. I remember you beat my close friend O’Sensei Wilfredo Roldan Hanshi. Roldan passed away on December 31, 2020 at age 69.
@user-tg5lm8bm6f
@user-tg5lm8bm6f 2 жыл бұрын
благодарим за видео...
@neziarushani5959
@neziarushani5959 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@amoruzz
@amoruzz 9 ай бұрын
👍
@aaronpaulo7533
@aaronpaulo7533 6 ай бұрын
Great video love these old school stories also love the movie force of one great underrated martial arts movie. One of my favourite fight scenes was the one where you killed chucks characters son (not favourite because you killed him but because it was a great fight scene) that guy seemed like he had some legit skills but never saw him in anything else do you have any background on him he had some great kids that guy
@burttheman3697
@burttheman3697 2 жыл бұрын
Please tell us about Elvis, Bill. Did you really workout with him, and if so, what do you HONESTLY think his level was?
@kenlucas5474
@kenlucas5474 2 жыл бұрын
Very good question!
@burttheman3697
@burttheman3697 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenlucas5474 that would be a great story. I’ve always been doubtful about his 8 degree black belt, even though I’m a fan of his music. But I could be wrong of course…
@kenlucas5474
@kenlucas5474 2 жыл бұрын
@@burttheman3697 I'm in 100% agreement my friend. Unless I'm proven wrong, I still can't picture Elvis as a hardcore full contact fighter. I just don't see it.
@burttheman3697
@burttheman3697 2 жыл бұрын
@@kenlucas5474 the times were different in the seventies of course. Martial artists didn’t know about the dominance of Muay Thai, BJJ or MMA. Elvis learned a hard style in Germany from Hank Slemansky, a military instructor. But after that he switched to the doubtful Kenpo karate of Ed Parker, the man who gave him 8 degree black belt. Those guys weren’t really in good shape. I wish he would’ve picked up training with the great Bill Wallace.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
In 1974 I got a call from Red West (Elvis' chief of security) and was invited to workout with Elvis and others. My honest opinion is he was a very flamboyant martial artist - overall pretty good. I will make sure to do a video about my time with Elvis soon. Thanks for the idea and for your interest.
@sagatuppercut2960
@sagatuppercut2960 Жыл бұрын
I wish I could've seen Bill Wallace fight Bruce Lee in an official match.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 11 ай бұрын
Met him, but never trained with him
@robertb8673
@robertb8673 7 ай бұрын
Bill is the only man who can kiss Chuck Norris on his cheek and survive.😏
@AGC828
@AGC828 2 жыл бұрын
Usually, the film studios rarely ask ex-champions to be in films because they can't act. They'd rather get actors and train them to look like they had training. Or spent some time training. Which is what they did for the Karate Kid movies and Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story. No martial arts background. But, in Force Of One (the first time I saw it) I think Bill did an amazing job being the bad guy. He was convincing. He had "the look". The "Back off i you want to live look". Whereas in real life Bill sin't anything like his character. He did what Tom Hardy did as "Bain" for the 3rd Dark Knight film. A convincing intimidating looking bad guy. Some guys like Norris you know are good. 6x National Karate Champ. But he ddoesnt intimidate. Doesn't have that look. To me. If you look at many of Bill's seminar videos...you see fear in the eyes of many who he uses for demo's. :) While at the same time Bill puts people at ease with his jokes. Be like standing in front of Floyd Mayweather in a boxing seminar. Or Tyson in his prime. They never gave seminars.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much I have been told I have that bad guy look in my eyes when I used to fight, hahaha.
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 3 жыл бұрын
Hey. Bill Wallace. What is the name of the Kata in the back or end of your book.? Karate Basic concepts? Where did it originate? I have not seen that crossing of the arms and drawing into the movement any where else! I have ask around. .. Who 1st taught or inspired a leade leg kick?? I have met you in the past . Many years ago. And had been to the gym school at Croostown location. . It was open. Wide open. Not a soul was there Only a heavy bag. Thanks..
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 3 жыл бұрын
Pinan Nidan or Shodan. Shorin Ryu style. For lead leg kicking I had no inspiration, just started kicking with my left leg out of necessity because of my injured right knee.
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks That simple pattern is so beautiful. Those cross sliding arms.. Of course I know no one fights like that. It's just different. I have since found it performed by a couple different schools. Always thought your were fast. Slick. Great execution.. I live 2 yrs on okinawa. But. My interest were elsewhere at the time. Tho. I did run almost ever day. Like 3 miles in just under 18 minutes. Or 5 in an even 30 min. To much work at the job on base. Met several Senior karate ka. And young and distracted was not very impressed. Bad on my part. I had already met several around Memphis . Stay safe. Stay healthy. Live long. Prosper real good. I enjoy the U tubes. I am not on ofton enough to keep up. I have that book on order.... My original Lieberry got lost in the battle. That ain't no worry. It fascinates me. The origins. The heritage. Of the arts. I see okinawa dance in so many different kata. Or vice versa. I value your ideas and technique. You are top 5. Some time number 1. Thanks for the info. I read something every day on the topic. History or technique, or even the inner man focus part. Peace
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
I believe it was one of the the Pinan forms. In Okinawa Myself - I could only kick with my lead leg. My rear leg (right leg) had a damamged knee that does not allow me to use for kicking.
@masterchristopherchandler2171
@masterchristopherchandler2171 2 жыл бұрын
Grandmaster hop gar lama Kung fu big fan vary pond Ossining
@fmills1583
@fmills1583 Ай бұрын
What's the difference between Chuck Norris and Bill Wallace? There are 1,000's of Chuck Norris Jokes, Bill Wallace is no joke.
@kimark3942
@kimark3942 Жыл бұрын
Corner man "3 legendary master" and the next is you
@jimson9297
@jimson9297 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Wallace. I was wondering if you ever trained with Bruce Lee?
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase 3 жыл бұрын
No, he didn´t.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
No, but I met him in 1967 at the Long Beach Internationals.
@bruceleroyhoffman
@bruceleroyhoffman 6 ай бұрын
Who would win? Did the guys have a match?
@ralphu.7568
@ralphu.7568 9 ай бұрын
Man! Talk about fate!
@eliotquintana9802
@eliotquintana9802 Ай бұрын
Mike stone America ninja chuck norris make movies martial arts
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase 3 жыл бұрын
Why didn´t you tell us who won the sparring match between you and Chuck in 1978? Chuck was long retired and you was still fighting, so I guess you had an advantage.
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase 2 жыл бұрын
@Jake Collins I just wanted to hear his opinion about Norris as a fighter because many people say that Norris was no real fighter because he only fought on points. That´s the reason I wanted to know what Bill thinks about Norris as a fighter. I know that this sparring session took place when Norris was no longer a fighter but an actor while Bill was the current kickboxing champion of the world.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
It's our secret, between Chuck and I and we promised each other that. I can say it was a fantastic time!
@NurHadi-qf9kl
@NurHadi-qf9kl 7 ай бұрын
bukannya Chuck Noor Iseahyudi?
@ImpactMMAFitness
@ImpactMMAFitness Жыл бұрын
Didn't you and Chuck Norris make up some forms together?
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
No, we are from two totally different systems
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Bill: I have a question: In the early 90´s you did a show fight against your friend Joe Lewis. I think you were 46 or 47 years old at the time. In Black Belt Magazine you said that Chuck Norris was your original choice for the fight. At first Chuck agreed to do it but all of a sudden you couldn´t get Chuck anymore. You said that probably somebody talked him out of it. Do you now know by any chance why Chuck didn´t accept your offer?
@rontate7719
@rontate7719 3 жыл бұрын
Awe man,sounds like a bait question,but, I bet insurance because of movies and all,,image building,plus they probably very good aqua tenses friends,no need ...Good question ,but maybe private .. But it was mentioned public ally so there's that.. Both had reps to protect,, Ole Joe,..He probably needed the exposure at that time.. Not saying he wasn't skilled, but to be on stage like that..All the guys have egos too.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Жыл бұрын
Yes, because he was working on a film at the time. My second choice was Benny Urquidez but he was not available. But, fighting Joe ended up being a perfect match for all involved.
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase Жыл бұрын
@@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Thanks, Bill for your reply. I appreciate it immensely. All the best for you!🙂
@Katzenhase
@Katzenhase Жыл бұрын
@@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Thanks Bill for your reply. That would have been an interesting fight: You against Benny. You never fought against him. I guess because of the weight difference.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 11 ай бұрын
@@Katzenhase Yes, that is correct. We were in different weight classes. We have sparred and trained together. He is a great guy!
@ransomedavis2208
@ransomedavis2208 Жыл бұрын
so we have chuck norris a touch contact point stop champion go sparring with a kickboxing champion and bill says they kicked the crap out of eachother for over an hour ? ? bill should have been well out of chucks league as far as being a fighter goes. kickboxing is a dam lot tougher than point stop so either bill is simply being kind to his friend chuck or at that time bill wasnt as good as he was to later become because chuck should have been way out of his depth heavy sparring with bill.i should know i did both point stop karate like chuck and kickboxing in the ring. bill should have destroyed chuck very quickly. the fact bill said that didnt happen they were very even tat for tat, is quite suspicious.
@ransomedavis2208
@ransomedavis2208 Жыл бұрын
Bill we become what we train for, you fought under the PKA, and im a former kickboxing instructor under the PKA. i have always liked your friend chuck, hes such an easy going guy, however i dont quite agree with how his whole career he has called himself a fighter ? i know that both you and Joe lewis started out in point stop but then moved on to kickboxing under the PKA. where as chuck stayed competing in point stop karate. you and Joe were great fighters and proved your salt time and time again where as Chuck to be honest played it safe and did not fight, he stayed playing tag. please dont think of me disrespectfull, you will know that i too would have done both point stop and kickboxing having had affiliation with the PKA like you, im simply saying i think that though a great guy chuck is he does seem to over rate himself as a fighter when many many hardcore fighters past and present do not regards point stop as fighting but more a game of tag. also ive been informed by a 9th degree master from the usa that chuck actually only won the title just the once. as the tournament wasnt held again until 6 years later and chuck retired the very year the tornaments were held again, so if this is true that would be very dishonest of chuck wouldnt it. can you elaborate or would you rather not ? either way i respect your decision.
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818
@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 11 ай бұрын
At the time we sparred I was at the top of my game. Chuck was a top notch point fighter and in those days point fighting was tough - I saw him drop several opponents. When we did train and spar it was just that - training and some light friendly sparring. I can tell you that even though Chuck was no longer competing he was a very talented and tough fighter. Thanks for your comment.
@ransomedavis2208
@ransomedavis2208 11 ай бұрын
@@officialbillsuperfootwalla1818 Thankyou for your reply Bill .
@aaronpaulo7533
@aaronpaulo7533 6 ай бұрын
@@ransomedavis2208just because he chose to compete in point fighting mainly because by the time kick-boxing started he was out of his competition days but that doesn’t mean he didn’t train full contact. End of the day it’s all punching and kicking there’s no secret magic techniques they both know the same moves
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