“I wasn’t a Star Trek fan, but I experimented in college.”

"Dukat probably considered Damar to be a poor first officer after a certain point" I guess Dukat really took Damar murdering his daughter in front of him personally.

MASH's finale had that "the ending is the beginning" vibe as well, and it's widely considered the best finale of all TV, so very respectable company to be in for All Good Things.

As someone who is currently taking care of a parent going downhill from cancer, the McCoy scene and cuddywifters comment. It's something that takes a lot of strength to do, it absolutely wrecks your heart to watch. I would give anything to see her pain taken away.

Hey Steve! I think they already did the kick-ass Klingon who is also sensitive, caring and listens to his partner: Worf with Dax. And then they killed her.

I love the Klingon as the reasonable love interest pitch. A burly Gath farmer meets a Federation officer on shore leave during the Holidays.

Sensitive Klingon. “Oh blue rose of Illium!”

The only finale that comes close to Best of Both Worlds is Blackadder Goes Forth

For Data in Picard Season 3, watching the trailers I assumed Data wasn't coming back, but Lore, and he would be compelled to assist the crew against a common foe (though he would inevitably betray everyone). I feel that would have been a more interesting use of Spiners' characters than what we got. That said I do like the way Data defeats Lore. It's very in tune with the character and easily my favorite moment of the season if not the whole show.

Thanks for responding to my comment about Kira, Steve! Totally understand your defense of Riker. He's also very tall, he can say "Fire!" In a cool way and he plays a mean trombone. What's not to love?

Also Riker had a crew of highly trained people who were specifically trained to work together. Kira…did not. Yeah, her job was much harder.

Worf was Jadzia's Mr. Right. In fact, the relationship you are describing is basically just Worf and Jadzia. In fact, Worf and Jadzia had a couple of romantic comedy style episodes together. Kelvin timeline Worf and Jadzia movie in which she lives! YES PLEASE!

Klingon Mr Right has already shown up in Trek. At least that’s how I picture the Klingon Chef in DS9

Steve, in subspace rhapsody the Klingons were doing K-Pop. 😂

34:30 _"They can't pull out all the stops every single episode. ...They can't do that every single week."_ Coming soon to Paramount Plus: *Star Trek: Oops All Comets*

Ethan Peck's Spock is a younger less matured version in my opinion. As Leonard Nimoy had grown and developed the Character of Spock into a more mature character in TOS.

I think if Riker were given total control of the Enterprise (without anything bad happening to Picard), it'd be THE smoothest change of command in starfleet history. The crew is already largely familiar with him and his command style. Definitely a captain I'd follow into battle

My Mother is in her mid-late 60s and is dying from COPD. Due to a lack of Oxygen, her mental acuity has completely dropped off and has trouble with every sort of day-to-day task. The hardest thing to watch throughout all this however is her intense fear of dying. Thank you Steve for sharing your story.

You mention fanfics, isnt Star Trek one of the first main franchises where it began? At least as we know it, Im aware Dante's Inferno is basically fanfiction too but you know what I mean. A Trek one that stuck with me is a crossover with Doctor Who titled 'A Captain & A Madman' which I still remember now like 10 years after I first read it!

The monologue at the end of the "Why Spock Is Actually..." segment put me in mind of the conversation between Picard and Wesley in the shuttlecraft, IIRC _en route_ delivering Wesley to Star Fleet Academy, when STEM-focused Wesley asks what's the point of reading classical literature & basically the humanities in general, and Picard answers: *"That all this might **_mean_** something."*

I think you could make Una becoming captain impactful if you play it as a direct response to Pike's accident. In canon I don't know if Pike is even still in command of Enterprise at the time of the accident, but assuming he is, I think you could do a meaningful character study of Una stepping in to fill his role after a terrible tragedy, in fact I think it could work well as a series finale.

With ST: TNG, the episodes that try to be more light hearted are some of my least favourite. Yet, many of the best episodes of Voyager have a high degree of levity: Death Wish, The Thaw, Virtuoso, Q2, all leap to mind in this regard. Death Wish is easily a Top 5 Voyager episode, if not the very best of all seven series. I think that's partly why The Orville works so well. It's like the show Voyager wanted to be, but never was.

I think there's potential for an actual good story regarding Number One being captain after Pike's accident and until Kirk is officially assigned. She'd only be an acting captain and you could have an episode or two of her dealing with that fallout both professionally and personally. We could see her reflecting on her place within the chain of command as a whole and not just as it specifically relates to Pike and the Enterprise. Maybe have Pike's accident tangentially be related to decisions she made...not that it's her fault, but she still takes the blame onto herself. Maybe give her a character growth moment where she realizes despite becoming the "poster girl" for Starfleet recruitment, the captain's chair isn't her place. Or maybe revisit the whole augment aspect of the character and have her face the realization that she's never going to advance further up the ranks due to that.

In an alternate universe Khan is a Klingon. Not in anything or mentioned anywhere. But it's out there now. It's REAAAAL! I created it. BTW Klingon Khan sings KPop.

On the Riker thing... that logic is actually the exact reasoning I've used to pass up promotions in a job I had in the past. I didn't want to take a management position because I knew (from experience as a manager in a prior job) that it's an awful job for me to be in and I hate doing it. So I refused the "opportunity" to move into a role I'm not comfortable with and stayed in a position which suited me better.

Nemesis was meant to be the last TNG only movie. They had planned a big DS9/TNG/VOY crossover film which was killed when Nemesis underperformed.

There was a klingon in an episode on NCIS. Gibbs stares at him for hours, then quips 'have you ever tried to interrogate a klingon?' when the little people ask what took so long. Okay, so it's a dude in a klingon costume for Halloween or something, but close enough.

I can 100% believe that riker stayed first officer because it looked better than captain. Why do you think he pulls the whole "captains shouldn't be going on away missions, let me go" card so often 😂

I think a klingon could also be fun as the overprotective dad of the love interest who the main character has to win over. Though another obvious/basic idea it could be fun to see with the gruff attitude towards the MC contrasting with doting on their precious son or daughter.

Steve I was wondering if over the last few years you found a show that you fell in love with via streaming that you never watched in it's initial run. While I had loved Cheers I never watched Frasier until recently and now I'm in love with it. Have you had that experience?

Klingon boyfriend who sings opera to his girlfriend ❤

If you want a build up to Number's trial you would need to read the comic book Star Trek: Strange New Worlds-The Illyrian Enigma. It is not a must for the show, but a great backup story, which is perfect for what it needs to be.

While it was clear Nemesis was to be the last TNG movie, it wasn't supposed to be the last movie involving the TNG cast. There was a plan for a "final" final movie, and it wasn't a TNG-exclusive movie. It was to be, essentially the Avengers movie of Star Trek. It was to have TNG, DS9 and Voyager all come together in a big "all hands on deck" to close out the 24th Century before finally transitioning fully away from it with prequels. Nemesis flopped so hard, that those plans basically went the way of the original plans for WWF-owned WCW. Nemesis was the Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell match on RAW.

Lwaxana's attitude about being cared for by her children gives voice to an attitude prevalent in society. Maybe it was even more prevalent 35 years ago. I agree with Steve about caring for elderly parents. It isn't a child's obligation. Perhaps it is society's obligation to care for the elderly. However it is obviously an expectation in many cultures. And maybe it's unavoidable in many financial situations.

I would like to see a Rom-Com set in the Trek Universe! When you're talking about alternate timelines (especially those created by time travel) it's easy to say "Well, my timeline is the better one." You need concrete examples and "your brother is alive" is a good example of such an example. (Sorry, that sentence got out of hand) I think the main reason Peck was given the freedom to do his own Spock rendition, was the decision to take the more emotional Spock we saw in The Cage/The Menagerie as canon and run with it. That's a good example of choosing how to respect canon.

Major Kira job is so hard, Bashir had to put her on a mini vacay. Wouldn't it be crazy that Riker set it up that she would go nuts so he can wine and dine her into stealing the Defiant.

"We're considering a fairly newly enlisted officer for the role of XO on the Lexington" "oh yeah? Interesting" "Previously held the position of First Officer on DS9? Under that system of governance struck with Bajor, If you recall Sir. Has been operating as an XO for a number of years under a Starfleet structure already" "ah, okay, you're talking about Nerys Kira, yeah?" "Yikes!, almost sir. Handled the station during the Dominion war, 2nd Cardasian occupation of the station, everything Steve just said in his video" "Remind me though, how often did she punch someone out on duty?"

Number One's trial is a classic season ending cliffhanger. It brings back audiences for the next season and is resolved in the first episode, the idea being then you're invested in the new season. OK it was the second episode, not the first, but same general idea. Not every story has to be a season long arc. Personally l think SNW's strength is in its self-contained episodic stories... wow it's almost as if it has episodes instead of chapters mislabeled as episodes. This is something I have been missing from Star Trek, and it takes it to the next level by having character and world building arcs which I love. You mentioned a while back you never got into the Stargate TV series... those shows also do this sort of thing very well so I would encourage you to check them out one of these days. It's no mistake SG-1 lasted for 10 seasons.

Besides, what do you do then? Call her Captain Number One?

I loved in SG-1 when they have to do a space mission and none of them wants to be captain; too much responsibility in that chair 😅

5:10 you just described general Martok.

I now realize I have the perfect description of how I have always viewed myself ........ a sensitive Klingon

Usually, the lead in a Rom-Com has a BFF that says "you go girl!" Make the BFF a Klingon. "He has dishonored you. Shall we teach him a lesson? With bat'leths?"

"If you like them in the story that doesn't mean giving them a prize" I wish wrestling companies would learn this lesson.

At the end of "All Good Things...", when Picard entered to join the poker game and everyone was surprised, Picard said "I should have done this a long time ago." While command distance is necessary to be able to make the hard decisions and choices in tough situations, in the end, the command crew were his family.

Honestly Riker liking his position and not wanting to be captain is real. My job basically puts me in the same position as first officer; I make technical decisions, I tutor and guide the team, I push forward my own agenda and the vision of the team lead and I... But I don't have to make hiring and firing decisions, I don't have to do governance or respond to corporate political shenanigans. Anyway I'm off to have a fun away mission now, have fun with your High Level Solution Design Report 'captain' 😂

That first comment struck me as I too became a bit of a Star Trek fan after watching reruns of Deep Space Nine whilst getting treated for Leukemia, love the characters and the wacky scenarios for sure X3

The reason Season Seven TNG mostly stinks is pretty well documented. In the glory days (end of Season Three to Season Six) there were three types of episodes. Ones by Squad A who really wanted to do a sci-fi show and did so unashamedly. Squad B who really didn't care for sci-fi and tried to make Star Trek anything BUT sci-fi. Then you had episodes written by freelance writers. Midway through Season Six, Rick Berman said: ''Uh... running two shows is turning out harder than I thought. You can guys can either stay here and sorta do my job without credit, or you can hop over to DS9'. Most chose to go over to DS9. Meanwhile, the decision to move TNG over to movies happened. Paramount had originally counting on the season eight of TNG (which the whole main cast minus Stewart and Spiner were contractually obligated to do) was thrown out the window. So Berman had to develop a new Star Trek show. Most of Squad B went to help develop Voyager. This left Season Seven to be written by a few writers who had worked on TNG the previous seasons to act as a skeleton crew, a few unfinished scripts that were deemed not good enough the previous two years that they could spit polish to make work for the new time frame and the rest were done by freelancers.

When you talked about "just because you can....", I heard it in Kirkwood Smith's voice from STVI:TUC😆

I think I can relate to Riker not wanting to be a captain, but in my case I wouldn't want to be a first officer either. If I were in Starfleet, I'd want to be an anonymous ensign quietly doing a small job in a small department aboard the Enterprise. I don't want a prestigious job that everyone looks up to, I just want to quietly contribute in a small way and live comfortably knowing what I've done was worthwhile, if not glamorous. For instance, I don't remember off the top of my head the title of the episode, but there was the episode where Q gave Picard the chance to not get into the fight where he got stabbed in the heart, and that resulted in Picard never being captain and instead working in astrophysics if I recall correctly, and Picard was miserable in that life, but Picard's nightmare alternate timeline career is the career I'd really want if I were a Starfleet officer.

Regarding Ethan Peck's Spock - right back when he first showed up in Discovery, I could 100% buy that Peck's Spock was the son of James Frain's Sarek. I don't know of Peck was watching Fain's performance, of if they were just both drawing from the same well of inspiration (ie, Nimoy), but there was something about their deliveries and bearings that sold it.

39:00 I mostly agree with the "Data's death in Picard S1 is ruined by his return in S3", though (and maybe it's because I play D&D and other TTRPGs with friends and that's influenced my opinion) I think "undoing" a death can work if one thing is fulfilled: it must be earned. Sometimes that means a long journey, wherein the survivors are forced to reckon with something about themselves, or at least face touch challenges, maybe even hefty consequences (potentially dire, like a life-for-a-life or somehow unleashing a Big Bad or giving them the power to get what they want) - I think Picard S3 *almost* does that, particularly with that idea that "it's a Data body but it's not just Data's mind, but also Lore and Laal and B4 and Soong", but (outside of a somewhat trope-y bit where Lore tries to takeover Data but then I guess ceases to exist when he absorbs Data's memories because Data is just his memories and Lore contributed none, I suppose?) the show falls short on that front. Even Riker's capture when he & Worf & Raffi go to the archive and find Data isn't really consequential enough, mostly as...very little really happens to Riker because of it (and he finds Deanna, even getting a moment where they confront their own trauma, and start to repair their bond, so it arguably works out *better* because he was captured). 41:40 While I love "All Good Things", there are parts of it that I dislike - one of the main things is that it feels undercut by the movies (and the Picard series, though oddly that feels a lesser detriment to me, I think because of the time between TNG & the new show, as well as its focus until S3). I also like more of a sense of closure/progression in my finales (some people leave to new opportunities, etc.), though that is because I tend to think of things that are a little more serialized than TNG really was (though for an episodic show, it has quite a bit of progression/change over time). I think that's where I disagree with 43:35 - it doesn't feel much like "the crew...relating to one another in a new way", just Picard at most, but I suppose that's something - I do agree with Steve's idea of "completion but also continuation", leaving threads of where they will go from there but making that particular moment end, that's often what I look for/expect.

When I try to think of TV series finales as satisfying and emotionally impactful as "All Good Things" off the top of my head, I get crime dramas (Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Justified, The Shield, The Wire), animated series (Avatar: The Last Airbender, She-Ra And The Princesses Of Power, Bojack Horseman) and Fleabag. The only sci-fi series that comes to mind is The Expanse, which somehow managed one of my favorite finales ever despite the story not technically being over.

I actually really loved Blue Beatle...it was a joy to watch at the Drive-in with my kids

You're right that extending Riker's fight scene in Nemesis wouldn't improve it. If there's any suspense in that scene, it's from the marketing surrounding the movie. They teased that someone was gonna die but didn't say who.

I would not give Una the captaincy of Enterprise just to give her that captaincy, but it could be interesting to have her and Kirk "compete" for that captaincy throughout the last season of Strange New Worlds, ending with Kirk becoming captain, and Una moving on to other and better (for her) things.

My mom was a wiley bitch. I survived. We coexisted for a number of years, but she eventually estranged herself. When I heard through a friend that she had been admitted to a hospice facility years later, I would like to say I didn't know how to feel. All I knew was how I felt. I cooked all of her favorite foods and showed up on the doorstep of the place expecting to be turned away. She smiled and hugged me and we watched a Browns game together. The next two weeks were very difficult. I held her hand as she took her last breath. I would not trade any moment.

I really love the position you took about "Una shouldn't be made captain just for the sake of it". One thing I have disliked about Picard S3 (which they didn't do in All Good Thing) wad this sense that "Geordie was a good guy... they made him a Commodore" and so on for all the characters. (Although mainly the men). They were all made Admiral or Captain or something. Because it's important to believe Starfleet is a meritocracy. And everyone gets promoted if they are a good person. Despite almost every "Admiral of the week" usually is evidence to the contrary. And the very idea of the Federation is that people find what they're comfortable doing and follow their passion. Their passion not necessarily being to "seek higher and higher authority".

How exciting, I got featured! lol. now for the second part: Nick Meyer's biggest canon violation is not Khan recognizing Chekov's face. No, it is Spock claiming "I never faced the Kobayashi Maru until now". LIES!!! How could he forget about I-Chaya?! Worst writer ever. (i kid i kid)

Someday I'd like to find a way to capture what percentage of recently-released-Trek viewership is, "oh, is this what Star Trek is? I wasn't into it before, but now I'm hooked!", vs a (seemingly) more vocal, "long-time Trek-viewer here. Ok, overall that last season had some major plot-missteps, unwatchable pacing issues and unnecessary call-backs, but maybe this season will actually be decent enough to watch all the way through." Based on the people I meet at conventions; the sentiment seems to lean more towards the latter, but personally I’m just happy there’s more simultaneous Sci-Fi content out there to explore, now more than ever, with an attempt at more ‘high-brow’ mainstream entertainment when it manages to land. That being said, I wonder if I would've given Discovery as a sci-fi installment more of a pass if it just wasn't labeled as 'Star Trek'. The "what might have been", if it didn't shackle and anchor itself to decades worth of legacy lore and a dedicated fandom. Ehhh... probably not though, Discovery was ripe for new sci-fi stories and concepts to explore, good conceptual setups, but from "what's up with Lorca?" to the Red Angel "who/why?" mystery to relocating Discovery to the future and the search for the source of the exploding dithium, the payoff to those storylines failed to stick the landing season after season for me.

Your point about Stuart Baird and Nicholas Meyer is further supported by Tony Gilroy’s work on Andor. Gilroy is very notably not a Star Wars nerd, but he is a good storyteller and knows how to tell the story he wants to tell. He has other folks to worry about the canon and Easter eggs and whatever, he was just focused on telling a good story and writing interesting characters. Nicholas Meyer and Tony Gilroy proves that not being fandom nerds is not a reason for why a Star Trek or Star Wars project is bad.

Not being sure about Ethan Peck as Spock at first and taking a couple episodes to dial in and warm up to him is something I know all too well. I'm a Doctor Who fan, been watching since I was a kid so I've seen every Doctor since the Seventh.

I'd say Mad Men is up there with the all time great show endings. It also captures that "life goes on, but everything is different now" feeling, in everyone's family lives as well as their work ones. Bittersweet rather than melancholy. They knew how to do great season finales as well, though the earlier seasons sometimes had events stretched-out just so they could save the Finale Moment for the actual finale. So it makes sense that they knew how to tie-up the whole show as well. A big problem with Nemesis is it's just such a persistent downer, the wedding excepted. You don't get any sense of how things normally are, or how they're going to be. It's trapped in this transition period, with everything going differently than the people want. And then the "life goes on" ending with the PatStew tracking shot feels unearned. By contrast, Castle of Cagliostro is a story almost entirely built on these smaller moments of bittersweet goodbyes with life continuing. And then the ending is one of my favourite film endings, building on the prior goodbyes into a big one. It stands so well alone, all the other stuff with the same characters never feels necessary to appreciate it. It never compels you to load-up the film that came out a year later. It's content to simply be itself.

41:56 series finales better than “All Good Things”: - Sleeping in Light (Babylon 5) - Deconstruction of Falling Stars (Babylon 5) - What You Leave Behind (DS9) - Whenever You’re Ready (The Good Place) - The first 10 minutes of “Last Forever” (the How I Met Your Mother finale) is one of the best series finales ever. Or would’ve been, if it just stopped there. The next 34 minutes turn it into quite possibly the worst series finale of the last few decades. - The Long Goodbye Job (Leverage) - Change Your Mind (Steven Universe) But, yeah, /lots/ of shows have mediocre or bad series finales, and these days more and more shows don’t have _any_ finale because they get cancelled between seasons with little or no warning. So even if I don’t rate the TNG finale nearly as highly as you do, I agree that it’s at least a _good_ finale, which is an accomplishment in and of itself.

You can't fix Nemesis. It's not a flawed , it's just flawed. Part of the reason they gave us the third season of Picard is because Nemesis is unsalvageable, so people who liked Picard should count their blessings. As for a Director on a commentary track as evidence? These people know they sit them down in a private screening room with a stocked bar and expect them to talk for 4ish hours, right? I'm not saying he was drunk, just that I've seen a lot of commentary tracks where the participants were clearly 'enhanced', and messing up a few names would be far from the worst thing ever caught on those tapings.

I remember realizing in college that i was a star trek fan. I thought i only watched Voyager because my dad was always home in the winter (farmer) and it would be on the tv everyday after school. But by my second semester in college i realized how much i missed Seven and Janeway and the gang (and how much i did NOT miss Kes and in fact kinda forgot she existed at all cuz the Space channel understandably aired mostly seasons 4-7 in syndication because who wants to see an almost entirely one-sided fight over a child by a weird pervy hobbit character. ) After that i became pretty aware of my tastes. I always knew i was nerdy but like you a lot of fantasy nerdom does not interest me. Im a sci-fi/speculative fiction nerd with a particular interest in franchises that are 50+ years old and most love the stuff that apparently leave me in the minority anong fans (Voyager and Doctor Who- Peter Capaldi)

I don't think being a fan of a franchise is required to be a director in that franchise, but I do think that it can help you make a good movie/episode. I also do think that a certain amount of familiarity should be required. Enough at least to know the names of the characters and the basics of the setting.

The 3 Spocks put me in mind of the 3 spidermans in the last movie. The same but different, with strengths.

Love that short sweet answer "Your right."

8:24 I somehow did not put together that the reason La'an isn't on the alternate crew because she obviously couldn't have been born if Kahn had been disrupted as a kid until just now. I mean, technically it's enough generations back that she probably would still exist, but it's really smart foreshadowing of what the change in timelines was. (This is all assuming I remembered how the episode went correctly)

Supernatural had both types of ending. The first one, the second to last episode, was meant to wrap up the season and had them defeating God. Then life was going to just go on. The finale finale had a main character die in a fight. So depending on where you stop watching you can get either the "life goes on" ending or the "that's THE END" ending.

Steve, recently discovered your channel and just binged Trek Actually for the last three weeks and now I'm caught up! Don't always agree with your conclusions (I like canon/continuity and Lower Decks), but I love the tone you try to present in the subject matter and look forward to the next videos. Going to miss watching two or three videos immediately followed up by a "not actually" while its fresh in my head. See you on the next one.

Yeah, we agree entirely on Picard Season 3 ruining Data's ending in Season 1... Thanks for the reply btw!

Best TV show final episodes would be an interesting video, obviously of the shows you've seen rather than all shows. Putting All Good Things in conversation with the MASH finale or the Good Place among others would be neat

Something just occurred to me about Death Wish. Q coming into the story wasn't just because he was being "handed down" to Voyager from TNG. He came into the story organically as a result of actions taken by the Voyager crew (freeing a different Q who had been imprisoned). I'm actually surprised they did that...everything else from TNG that appeared in Voyager felt like a hand me down.

Stuart Baird directed Nemesis as a favour for editing Tomb Raider. He didn't care about the film he was making.

Awesome video as usual. Thank you

That suggestion of stretching a story that was resolved adequately by the end of episode 2 across a whole season? This is how you get season 2 of Picard.

Hey, let's not forget that we were shown really early on in TNG by Q that in a Klingon mating ritual the woman growls and hurls heavy objects at the suitor's head, while he ducks and reads poetry to her. So your idea is not only fantastic Steve, but already canonically sound. LMAO

I agree with Steve on the idea that 'knowledge of trek is not a pre-requisite for being a good director/writer of Trek' because Michael Piller definitely understood Trek and Insurrection is awful. (Yes, I'm one of those people who think that it's as bad as Nemesis, or at least close to it.)

Had he only had George Santos levels of mothers, he could have had multiple funerals and Mr. Douglas would have had multiples wins from using all the times she died to his advantage.

Not that I would ever take this claim seriously, but when I watch fantasy movies I like to think that elves are the descendants of the survivors of a Vulcan exodus ship that never made the trip to Romulus.

"A generation's final journey *begins*" could be spun as the beginning of a trilogy, but I agree the film was intended to be the very last one, no backsies. That said, if it had been a money-spinner, I think they'd have found a way to do another.

The _Angel_ series finale is a fantastic statement of the show's anti-Nihilist ethos, as well as an excellent episode of TV.

50:25 it's possible that when written it wasn't, but by the time it made it to marketing they'd decided. That too might have messed up the movie, they decided they needed to turn it into a finale during reshoots

Imagine if Star Trek: Voyager was like Buster Scruggs? 😄

um that's how you make a space opera a proper space opera when Klingons sing too along with Romulans. i love Strange New Worlds but post writer strike i am hoping for more Orville too as they were becoming a far more serious scifi with humor but on a noble path to great scifi success as a tribute to Roddenberry. As even he had fun with his vision and like Seth on Enterprise. |Trek explores morals and ethics. The premises shows humanity in a light as you have said sets ego aside/ dear friend.

I thought Nemesis was envisioned as the start or a trilogy. That's why it was the final journey begins.

When it comes to needing to "know" a long-running science fiction IP in order to make that IP good... I think there are two really good case studies to point to: Rian Johnson with The Last Jedi (a good movie made by someone who wasn't a huge fan)... and the Chris Chibnall over with seasons 11-13 of Doctor Who (some of the worst Doctor Who stories ever produced... written by an enormous fan). The thing about being a fan of something is that you can like a thing without necessarily understanding why it's appealing or how it works, and even if you do happen to have that understanding... that doesn't necessarily mean you have the ability to replicate those qualities.

If the klingon is your main character it wouldnt be a surprise i was more thinking in terms of shoving klingons into completely non science fiction movies but then suddenly theres a big alien guy with a sword but ill also accept your pitch for *Eat. Prey. Love*

Nicolas Meyer had never seen an episode of Star Trek prior to directing Wrath of Khan, but didn't he watch those episodes to get a feel of the show and characters, among the many other things he did when he took on the job? 🤔

Pop a Klingon on it is a good creed to live by, scriptwriters. The only other final episode that I think is as good (or perhaps better) is The Good Place.

Good Place and BoJack Horseman are the only finales that come to mind as competing with TNG’s.

Ooooh, Steve admits to being Trek-curious. Hot!!!

The Ensigns Log would be fanfic dialed up to 11.

I was watching this bideo and had to pause it to say this. On your comment that pecks Spock is both the same and different then nimoys, I think that you hit the nail on the head with your responce, but i addition to what you said is what he yold Boimler in Those Old Scientists, that he wasn't yet the Spock boimler had read about, and that he had to continue down the path that he was currently following to become that man. That comment right there sums up the journey that Spock was on from the first pilot with Pike, to when he began to serve under Kirk and which we somewhat saw in the season 1 finally when Pike traveled to the Future and lived out the events of Balance Of Terror.

If they had made another TNG movie after Nemesis, would the tagline have been “A Generation’s final journey continues…”?

Rap Battle is my favorite Klingon music genre ❤

Pike leaves. Una gets promoted to captain and is given her own new ship. Kirk transfers to the Enterprise as her new captain. Spock gets promoted to first officer. Done.

I dunno I'm just here for what other people think