The theory that hybe has a girl group curse is getting hilariously ironic.

Are they weak singers? Yes. Do they deserve criticism? Yes. Do they deserve hate? NO.

Constructive criticism is fine, but NOT hate insults. The hate comments to the girls are just disgusting.

This is all HYBE’s fault

Lets be honest. HYBE doesn't really care what everyone thinks as long as the company is makes money. HYBE already knows how to work the KPOP system. AS long as K-netizen are happy with the looks of a group instead of the talent. They don't care. It's probably easier for HYBE to drop a group and create another one.

the criticism was not overnight. People started criticizing them after the encore performances. People said they need vocal lessons before going to coachella. Everyone was worried that they might fumble their live performance in front of international audience. Its the company's fault for not noticing the criticism they got after the encore stages. All the criticism the girls are getting is completely justified and should not stop until they get better in the future. But the people who are leaving hate comments need to stop thats not justified.

They deserve criticism because they can't sing live. But they don't deserve hate

This is what happens when you debut a group of idols that aren’t ready I mean Kazuha didn’t even speak Korean that well & she trained for what 2 months? & ended up debuting what a joke. Hybe truly sucks.

Things just not going well for Hybe these days. 😂

HYBE strategy is bad. HYBE know LE SSERAFIM weakness but still insist for live vocal at Coachella. The consequences for getting shortcut fame being disaster.

Honestly the criticism has turned into pure hate at this point . And it’s so sad to see , like yes the are lacking in some categories but does that give u the right to ruin their life ? 😞

It's okay..but people excepted to singers to sing..not only perform

Lesserafim's fall from grace in the kpop girl group sphere was mad to witness. They’ve never been perfect, no group is perfect, but it's crazy how everyone suddenly started focusing on their shortcomings overnight.

It’s pretty vile to wait for someone to make a mistake or to know their flaws to have a “justification for your hate..”

This is just my opinion about this whole thing. I am not a hater whatsoever. About after the Coachella. Well as we all know they got criticism for the vocals during their Coachella performance. After that, Sakura posted a lengthy position about her opinion regarding the Coachella about "it is their best stage yet" or "Standards may vary depending on the person". And also Chaewon posted the story of Doja Cat flipping off, which eventually leading some people speculate that Chaewon is flipping off to the criticism. In my opinion, This doesn't sit well with a lot of people because I feel they did this at completely wrong time. With their lackluster vocal performance on encore nwo plus their poor live in Coachella, posting things like this makes it feel like in the eyes of netizens, it is almost like the group is in total denial about their poor performance and not self introspecting on how to get better in their vocal skills. With that being said. This does not mean Le Sserafim deserve death threats or even malicious hate comments. Nowadays, it seem that there is a very thin fine line between constructive criticism and pure hatred. Well, we as netizens should tell Le Sserafim what they did wrong and how to improve, not send them malicious hate and horrible posts. We are also responsible for the mental state of Le Sserafim . So overall, do I think Le Sserafim deserve constructive criticism, yes, especially to improve themselves. But do I feel they deserve malicious comments and hate, absolutely NOT! I really hope Le sserafim take this opportunity to learn and get better and introspect. Also we as netizens must be careful with out words.

Off topic but Kim Garam TRULY dodged a bullet here. I'm kinda glad HYBE did let her scandal be public due to their absent involvement what so ever cus I can't imagine girlie (with the others ofc) deal with this massive hate trains.

The only thing I would correct is that the hate train started way before the Easy comback. People have been critizing their vocals ever since the encore stages for Unforgiven and it just kept growing with each new comeback.

I have seen comments about LE SSERAFIM’s Cocoachella as well as the Encore and it seems to be a big problem, worse than what one can imagine. When I showed my mom their vocals, both of us were very confused and shocked. It can't be denied that they need to have vocal training but there are more problems to them. Yes, they are talented, but based on their vocals, it is revealed that something wrong happened with the notes in their singing voice. I noticed that there was something unusual with this and HYBE really needs to pay attention to this issue because this will affect their real voice while talking in real life.

I mean AESPA were the most hated rookie group of all time and look at them now 🤷🏼‍♂️. The internet will fall out of hate in like one year from now 👍

Sakura. 11 years of idol Kazuha..2 months of training Eunchae 15 years old..when she debuted..she could get more time to train well..but no...!!! This hybe inly want dancers and visuals...they don't want good 😅singers

It's not first time it happened kpop fans are doing that to blackpink from 2018. Creating fake news, prn edits on Jennie, taking 5 second clips calling blackpink worst name, they got sltshamed, called rude without any reason,MAMA Insulting blackpink by painting face red which means death, we have faced worst hate train. Kpop have always been like this it's just this time target is not blackpink but other groups. And there worst what BP have witnessed is yet to come for other groups. AND I hope this never happens to other groups

some people need to learn the difference between HATE and criticism. Simply saying they cannot sing live is not hating. It is a simple fact. To me I think they just need some more training and they could be amazing.

their company should at least hire vocal coaches

The hate train is unacceptable but some people have to realize that being an idol is like any regular job and not being able to do your job in the real world would get most if not all people fired . At this point , I really only view them as good performers/dancers which is literally what every back up dancer is in the Kpop industry.

Tbh when u see the documentary u know how some members were brought in at last moments just bcoz some other trainees didn't fit the concept & what was the rush. After min heejins allegations about debuting LF 1st than NJ is now looking true , they just wanted to churn out a GG at any cost. But now if u look at BM now u know how much effort YG put in debuting them & that quality definitely shows , they are definitely doing concerts now instead of performance. When u run behind money quality definitely takes a hit .

They seriously need vocal training

For me as a fan of kpop for 7 years, lesserafim and illit were very bad at vocals, although some says they are improved..yess, but its should be better improved b4 debuting.. Not gonna lie. Hybe needs to do something. The girls are pretty and good at dancing but please do something on the vocals. It's kinda embarrassing 😬

That's what happens when you rushed debut of a group too much. HYBE doesn't polish their artist in singing or rapping unlike YG

I think its le sserafim time to take a break improve their vocals and make a comeback that will shake the kpop industry, prove themselves and shut everyone up. It's up to girls now.

Thanks to this Sakura starting her proper vocal training after 10 years of being an idol.

They truly are a pretty talented with 2 izone members, an opera singer, ballet dancer and dancer but they were not ready for coachella yet, dont get me wrong, they all are very good performers but they seriously need vocal training.

It’s a curse of Hype about girlgroup from Hype don’t last long

The problem is not just sakura, its ALL of them. As a group, no one is a standout vocalist. Their strongest vocalist isn't even worthy the praise, that is weak & sub par at best! What more the rest of the members?! Please stop includimg Garam here because her vocals are sub par at best too. Their dancing skills, personality, face & body won't save their music career bruh, they NEED to learn how to properly sing, no one in this group is even worthy to be called a rapper let alone fit the idol standard of being an idol rapper 🤦🏾‍♀️

It's the internet, just block them out.

Why would anyone want to be a kpop idol. The standards of fans are insane

Cause instead of admitting that they did have problems with vocals. The group and fans doubled down and act like their performance wasnt bad. 😅

Le serrafim pretty much sums up what kpop is. Good looks, good in dancing but not good in singing. 90% of idols are like this.

Should your company give you skills so this would not happen And obviously they should tried

Honestly, LSF should not talk about "changing the kpop industry", if they're gonna sing like this. Like how u gon change it? By dragging down the vocal standard to hell?? I honestly used to love Yunjin's voice - so impactful and strong but she has gotten worse over the years. I had so much hope from her when she first started but now, she gives us below average vocals.

Stop blurring the names of the accounts that post such vile comments about them. They want the public to see so let’s see their names as well if we have to see their viscous words

No hate on them, but they REALLY NEED MORE VOCAL LESSONS, EXERCISES AND PRACTICES. As a former choir student, our vocal teacher gave us vocal lessons and how to sing properly. He would choose the student/s who had stable voice/s to be part of the choir, I was part of it and we practiced more than 2 months before performing school events (we even practiced more than 6 months before our school’s Christmas performance). If he noticed that one student had an off key tune, we would repeat the song until our voices were blended together perfectly. If my vocal teacher heard their off key voice, he would be so disappointed. If HYBE wanted to debut a girl group, they should’ve given the girl group A LOT OF PREPARATION (like more than a year of talent developments and practices such as vocals, rap and dance) before debut, or wait until all of them are 18+ and ready to debut. I don’t know what are HYBE’s current objectives? Are they more on visuals nowadays? Do they prefer debuting underage idols?

My girls DO NOT deserve this. Sure, there is room for improvement, but hating and sending death threats won’t change anything

as someone who had contributed to their critcsm on the day of coachella (not hate, just critiscm), i feel like le sserafim are just being treated as the haters punching bag. I loved their song 'anti fragile, unforgiven, and smart' but agreed with most concerns like outfits, dances and choreography the one to blame in ALL of this, is Hybe. As an army, who saw how bts took their time to grow, hybe failed all their girl groups SO BADLY. Badly managed, not enough training time, too hard choreographies for a group that debuted less than a year ago, completely mistreating NJs, rushing debuts like for le sserafim and illit, then giving one of the best stages in the world to a group that obv needs more training. they're not bad singers, they're bad becz they didnt get FULL training as they were supposed to. It aint the girls fault hybe is greedy. ngl, illit was a major disappointment for me. not the girls or the group but how hybe thought they could manage 3 girl groups as well as others. Now more than ever, Im supportin MHJ cause imagine whats gon happen if hybe takes over management of NJs completely. their new come back is already showing it!

the "hate trains" it's so freaking crazy like they're the criminal, they're really didn't deserve this, maybe if will be affected their mental just because of the easy era and coachella concert.

I don't understand why people focus on them when they should just be promoting the groups they like. There are some groups I'm not a fan of, you'll never see me in the comments throwing shade at them, just waiting to find fault to attack them. It's just sad to see people's bitterness turn into pure hatred for these happy, talented girls... Lesserafim may not be the best vocal group, but they're incredible in every other way. They're one of the best performers I've ever seen, they always do their best and I think they absolutely deserve their success. They're not the first group to have vocal shortcomings and they have great singers. I don't accept people saying that Yunjin and Chaewon can't sing. And Eunchae, Kazuha and Sakura may not be as good, but they're not disastrous. As a fan of them, I don't just jump on the hate train and react to the bad buzz like the haters do. It only takes a few clicks to see their good side. Please, if you don't know them, think before you comment, everyone makes mistakes and while I agree they've been wrong sometimes, they're almost always wonderful and they're very hard working girls. I remember less than a year ago people were praising them for being so good while performing the way they do. And I was one of them. They have most of the hardest choreography of the gg's, so it's not fair to compare them to other gg's who sing better with easier dances. What's more, these girls often sing live and people act as if they're the only group to use backtrack, it's insane.... I don't know many groups that sing ENTIRELY live without backtrack. Lesserafim rightly use it and they sing live over it. It's true they have flaws and shortcomings in certain aspects, but the only reason they are one of the most hated groups is because they are one of the most loved and successful groups. We've seen the same patterns in all the biggest groups, and it's certainly not going to stop now... But at the end of the day, the statistics show, they are not affected by the hate train, they remain the biggest group of the moment. Sserafim will prevail!

Bro idc I'm still gonna stan LE SSERAFIM .

Okay, so a few things: people AT Coachella aren’t thinking about vocals when they’re at a show. They’re drinking, smoking, and having fun. It’s the people on the internet who not only can watch the show live, but also can rewind with a more critical eye. And also most people in the audience aren’t aware of the other things going on. To a kpop stan who pays attention, they’re aware of the encore stages and this is just another thing on a pile of other things. Obviously, this isn’t a reason to send hate or to threaten the girls. It probably doesn’t help that they’re caught up in the hybe mess and the on going discussion of HYBE’s take on vocal training (they don’t do them - that’s it. If you want vocal training as a hybe idol or trainee, you’re responsible for them. Even groups with 10+ years under them have talked about STILL working with a vocal coach.) The religious imagery stuff is… is a theme. As long as they aren’t pushing a religion on you, then what’s the issue (except for the fact that in SK, they have issues with Christian cults, so maybe that’s where it comes from). Anyway, most the people I know have brought up valid points and have criticized without going overboard, but I have a habit of blocking toxic people to keep my online space quiet. So I know I’m not seeing the worst of it.

People get mad when idols cant dance but also gets mad when they cant sing. Also gets mad when idols doesn't look good

Not some of yall saying it's hate when it's constuctive criticism they cannot sing and it's been proven multiple times they should have debuted later

I don't understand why people complain about plagiarism when K-pop was inspired by music in the States. Make it make sense, please.

Tbh,they kinda deserved the hate cause imagine being in the industry for a decade and still being horrible at your job

To me I feel like the industry of KPOP they only look for visuals and whose name is bigger.... Not who has talent or anything

I'm in no way saying what is happening is right, but I'd like to give another perspective for why this hate train might be happening. I feel like many already resented this group. It starts with the fact that they are hybe's first gg and not only people hate hybe, but there is the gfriend situation and I've also seen some fromis9 fans hate on them. Then Garam's situation happened, and while the girls aren't at fault, some resented how they moved on and succeeded while Garam's chances of having an idol career were over. Then, fearnots... I vividly remember how some fearnots were part of Itzy's hate train, aespa's hate train, and then they basically led IVE's hate train last year saying the girls are coworkers, can't sing, calling Wony a dozen, used to compared the girls and say some nasty stuff. So there was this negativity surrounding lesserafim's bubble and many were just waiting for a slip to jump them. That's why I think people are being so vicious instead of letting it go. Is almost like taking them down will serve as justice in some people's heads.

Smarter really exposed their vocal incapability 😭

People hating them on the internet and literally telling them to quit are toxic as hell. Yeah there vocals aren't great but it should be on hybe not lsf

The thing is most of the hate has to do with things outside of their control and it's really not their fault. I hope they're doing okay with all this backlash.

I feel the current K-pop girl group (fandom) climate and landscape is much, much more cutthroat than before in terms of the fight for centre spotlight and being the current "it group"; with a girl group rising to the top and taking centrestage only to quickly be dragged down by a slew of "scandals" - many of which come across as either ridiculous or netting a disproportionate response from netizens and/or the general public - only to be replaced by a new girl group, that in turn quickly gets dragged down and the cycle continues.

Wa can only hope that their company halts their activities and send them to an actual vocal lesson😅 I mean they're one of the hottest and famous kpop gg at the moment, so they should at least earn that recognition by working on their weakness😅 it's been going on since their debut😅

Aespa was hated for almost the same reason: they're lip syncing. The hate stopped when they sang live. Now Le Sserafim just need to do the same.. Unfortunately, it seems that they can't 😕 First it was a valid criticism, evolved into hate when Sakura's statement implies that she's not going to improve. They don't deserve all these hate, but they need to address the criticism, improving their vocals should be one of their priority rn, so when they return they can show everyone that they can actually sing.

About the church of many people using it to film is literally the meaning of ‘two wrongs doesn’t make a right’

This is why i hate hybe from the bottom of my first. They don't give a crap about their artist all they care for is money. They didn't care whether their artist will receive hate for vocals or not. As long as they are getting those money they are willing to go any lengths.

Garam dodged a huge bullet.

Their hate train is NOWHERE near what momoland suffered in 2018

well, their respons to their problems is kinda meh.

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The criticism is valid but i think the k public turned against them once they saw the girls attitude towards the criticism. They all acted like they are above any criticism. Sakura’s response was the most tame one but chae posting that middle finger post was the nail in the coffin for k-netz

How can you hate them. You can criticize a performance, sure but that should never result in hating them. Hate the company, hate a song, hate a stage but the people, no, no.

Why you didn’t talk about how Sakura responded to criticism ? Her response made people angrier since she took criticism as hate and instead of apologizing for her poor skills and training harder to get better

I’m glad my girl Garam got out of that mess 😭😭😭

as a fan, I would never say anything harsh and negative about any group online

I stan both Aespa and Le sserafim. Love A for their unique songs and vocals while Love LSF for their dance and choreography. Giselle too was criticized for dancing but she has improved a lot. We all know LSF songs are autotuned a lot and how their live singing is. maybe they need sometime to improve their vocals and be careful in song selection. but why is there so much hate like they're criminals forcing you to buy their album?

Well maybe that's why HYBE should've hired a vocal coach instead of using payola

The problem is that they were asked to get vocal training for a while now, and never properly received it. If this continues, they will have bad vocals and keep getting dragged for it. As time goes on the "hate" will get worse. I wish the members would put as much work into their vocal training, the same way they put into their famous exercise training. No improvement without training - even if you pay a vocal trainer from your own wallet.

All those who said Hybe was a good agency lied to us

National Embarrassment 😮

I like kpop and I love BTS but this is a fact that sometimes some kpop group really insult religion in their music videos like blackpink insulting Hindu god lord Ganesha and now this group insults the Christian religion in their mv . They really should respect all religions and kpop and kdrama and bts and other groups are loved all over the globe so I hope they respect all the religions Still I do not support any kind of trolling for any group and I respect BTS so much that they never disrespect any culture and religion to stay relevant.

The curse of having a girlgroup for hybe might be sure. 😅

I love this drama 😅 I'm glad my girls are out of that agency.

To be fair, the last time they stood on stage, it was also an unforgettable experience.

I was never into lessarafim until coachella pop out. Because of the hate they were getting I started to empathise them. Criticism is okay but hate is something that I don’t feel entertained. Nothing was wrong with their performance at coachella and i really enjoyed their performances. The amount of hate that they were receiving made me started to like them even though I’m not a fan of them. People started to compare them with the newest group. I don’t want to mention the name of the group, but bcs of their negativity toxicity fans I started to dislike that group. I used to like that group but after this hate and criticism towards such a hardworking group I just felt empty towards that group and I know many people feel the same.

The music in K-pop has not been original from the beginning, so if Hybe chases trends, I think it's totally fine, and absolutely no problem when the song actually sounds great.

I had seen a lot of groups but Le sserafim is the most fun group to stan. I still love them no matter what☺️☺️

The MOST HATE comes from people being jealous of their success and popularity. So everything they do is under a microscope. And everyone THINK they have a right to them

I really feel bad abt them this hate is getting out of control is like they committed a crime not sing bad fake fans really went too far

I was fine with all the criticism, it was obviously needed. But now it's literally HATE. Some people don't get the difference between hate and criticism. I feel so bad for them. Did yall see how Eunchae looked so upset in Music Bank?

Those haters and those who spread the hate just from hearsays and make accusations are just miserable in their life. Humiliating and hating others are their only happiness . They are sick

HYBE threw them out to Coachella when they weren't 2yrs old. If Hybe was gonna do that at least make them train a bit more

They didnt give time to train to kazuha! Just 3 months what?! What was the Rush? Bang pd's greed now brings girls down! People should hate hybe not the girls!

For me, the 'flute encore' aggravated their current criticism. Others considered it an iconic and comical comeback, but it showed how conceited they are for reacting with disdain to the valid public criticism and not contemplating putting more effort into practicing their abilities to maximize a better vocal performance next time. In the end, they earn money and have long-lasting careers as a group due to public support. And since their performance at Coachella didn't justify their previous vanity act, this hate and criticism has been blown out of proportion.

And that is why HYBE should listened to the criticism after their encore stages and do something about it.. The company knows that most of Lesserafim members isn't good yet at live vocal but they choose to ignore and taking the risk to send them to Coachella.. I feel bad not only just for the girls, but also for the other groups in the company cause their haters are taking chance to drag them down with all of the scandal happening in HYBE now..

I think a lot has to do with the fact how the girls responded in regards with the criticism they were getting due to their terrible performances. Of course the hate was unnecessary but let's be honest the girls all together decided to even ignore the criticism they were getting (criticism which was totally justified) instead of reflecting on their past shitty performances and improving, the girls went on proclaiming they did a good show, they are masters at what they do (i am sorry WHAT?). Their arrogance humbled them!

how about you also mention yunjin the black starbucks queen and lesserafim starbucks

The thing about idols and this is the truth.1st and 2nd generations are far more brutal than today's generations. Before, Idols interaction with other idols creates a scandals. 2nd Generation Idols were being trained for years before debuting because they are expected to give a perfect performance. Lip-synching is a big No-no. Plagiarism is so strict that even a slightest similarities will receive a lot of backlash. To sum it up, Idols are expected to be perfect in peoples eyes. You have to have a clean background. They are influential. They are trendsetters. So every move must be calculated and carefully planned. As a 2nd generation fan, today's generation of idols were given a lot of leeway and considerations. My suggestions to those idols who have been criticize for their talents is be on hiatus, train and practice a lot. And surprise us with a great improvement. Because no matter how much hate they receive as long as they back it up with performance. Those hate will turn to love.

Nah the singing stuff has been going on for years. The most recent album promo sound & teasers actually shocked me. Made me so uncomfortable. Dressed like stereotypical street bookers & sounding like almost orgasming.. They greenlit all that with a minor in the group too.

That's why hybe isn't an ideal place for nwjns. And I support mhj for that.

Le sserafim i wish the the best and its like criticizm turn hate classic kpop problem

.I dont think they're as hated as youtube says at all

Sad to see this since they are such a good group but worst part is that they are receiving criticism even though they aren't the ones who choose the places to film at and they don't even make the choreography. So hybe should be criticized for this not them.

Well, the more famous you are, the more people will drag you down. Jelousy transforming to hate is what most people would actually do when their bias didn't reach the level lesserafim has. Lesserafim shouldn't be bothered by those people and must filter out criticism from hateful comments. Aside from that, they are actually at their peak of careers and wouldn't slow down any time soon.

Honestly it’s Sakura that brought the team down lol coz she is so famous for not knowing how to sing Chaewon and Yujin deserve better