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@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
My apologies for my voice being even more raspy than usual in this video. I've been dealing with a nasty cold this week! No Covid, thank god ^^ Have a great rest of your weekend everyone!
@tecinde36693 жыл бұрын
Hope you’re okay Don
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I also had my share of sickness when I went to get another vaccine. Probably activated a dormant virus by accident.
@lobstur5853 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say imagine this comment gets pinned but...
@srluskas68033 жыл бұрын
Get better soon my dude
@Joey-nt4xr3 жыл бұрын
No worries, the raspy voice just made your expertise in story telling all the more cosy and nice to listen to. Get well soon!
@StarzyKK3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I just like the concept of Link disappearing one night into the forest, and all the other soldiers and his father freaking out and preparing to search for him, only for Link to return into the camp with the almighty Master Sword on his back, excited as ever. then his dad and all the other soldiers just go INSANE
@edenmairay603 жыл бұрын
Link just walking out like "hey look what I found"
@MutevaziEgoist3 жыл бұрын
"hey look dad! I found a FANCY ✨ SWORD✨" *dead silence among the soldiers* His dad: "OH MY HYLIA"
@Agent-Ig3 жыл бұрын
It’s probably not out of the question that he was dared to go into the forest by members of his Cohort... which could easily be why he disappeared into the forest.
@dayshallcomeagain3 жыл бұрын
@@MutevaziEgoist *Cue Fi sound.* Link: The sword doesn't like you saying that dad.
@taputrainer84633 жыл бұрын
That would actually be a good origin as Miyamoto traveled into a cave in a forest I think which inspired the adventure feeling of the legend of Zelda
@denstsunogemaandrewvelasco83393 жыл бұрын
Something I always liked to imagine was that after the the calamity was foretold, the king was skeptical and considered it as nothing more than fairy tails. Only to be alerted that a boy was prancing around town showing off the blade of legend he held and the king having an "oh shit" moment.
@petronellataube29863 жыл бұрын
i feel that's why they started looking for champions. Like "what else is true?" panic
@SoaringxDragon3 жыл бұрын
@@petronellataube2986 probably further cemented with the unearthing of the divine beasts
@Subject_Keter2 жыл бұрын
Considering how the royal family "got up in arms" over calamity ganon instead of "We got ancient robots ready for the Battle" it seems possible.
@gingermcshane843 жыл бұрын
I've seen an hilarious fanart about little Link finding the sword and bringing it home to show it to his father, and then they go home to his mother to tell her "well apparently he is the new hero" and she replies "him? But... He was eating rocks the other day" 💀💀
@lillygames61173 жыл бұрын
Under rated comment
@dayshallcomeagain3 жыл бұрын
Ha ha I remember seeing that. Link: Dad Dad! Look what I found! Cue sound of Link's dad accidentally spitting his beer in the face of the other guy across the table who is too dumbfounded to even notice.
@fandemusique46933 жыл бұрын
You have the obligation to give the link.
@dragonstorm08883 жыл бұрын
what they fail to realize is that its very likely most links were rock eaters. something something courage something something spirit of the hero dared me to
@fandemusique46933 жыл бұрын
Seriously, can you give the link ?
@TheoJay6153 жыл бұрын
"Hey Dad, I found this sword in the woods next to the boot camp. Pretty cool huh?" "Link that sword is really nice... wait a minute!"
@cosmoblender3 жыл бұрын
For the concept of Link wandering into the forest, my first thought was that Link can see Koroks, so maybe it’s possible that Link spotted a wandering Korok and talked to it, and eventually it invited him to the forest and showed him how to get there.
@scrollfloh3 жыл бұрын
*wandering Sorry, don't want to be a grammar nazi.
@cosmoblender3 жыл бұрын
@@scrollfloh oh no it’s fine I’d have a problem with that too if I’d noticed it, thank you
@Angie-ji7be3 жыл бұрын
Young Hestu perhaps?
@legomaster25383 жыл бұрын
This is how I thought Link got the Master Sword: While wandering through the Lost Woods in search for the mysterious voice that was calling to him (possibly Fi within the Master Sword), Link suddenly spots Hestu. After realizing Link can see him, Hestu guides him to Korok Forest, then Link draws the Master Sword from its pedestal.
@haileeraestout55672 жыл бұрын
Its Because He Can See Koroks Due To The Ancient Slumbering Memories
@adurna35793 жыл бұрын
Just a little theory of my own: Perhaps Link didn't feel drawn towards the forest but the military recruits had to do this like a final test, venture into the woods and try to find the hidden sword. It would also fit like a trial of courage to enter the lost woods , since the triforce piece of the chosen hero/knight is the piece of courage.
@meaghanness80033 жыл бұрын
I like this idea! I was thinking it could have been a dare among the recruits. There's a rumour about a super powerful sword hidden in the forest. Several of them decide to try and find it but all return unsuccessful. Except Link.
@belmontzar3 жыл бұрын
@@meaghanness8003 I have a twist on this. Ok so we have all these adult soldiers and young teen Link. It would not be hard to imagine the adults messing with and teasing Link with pranks. Like one of them could have told the story of the sword and another one convinced Link to go into the forest as a joke. When Link Vanishes and the person in charge, a friend of Link's father, starts to go nuts that the young man is gone... That is when Link returns... holding the blade of Evil's bane. Turns out the prank story was true and Link thanks the soldier who tricked him.. for [Acidentally] leading Link to the divine blade.
@autumin68433 жыл бұрын
Although since you die if you aren’t worthy of the sword, they would just be sending new recruits to their deaths
@belmontzar3 жыл бұрын
@@autumin6843 thats assuming any of them even reach the sword. Its possible that men are sent in, given the run around by the koroks and then they wander out. This could, in turn, further the Mythological story about the sword... a blade that no one has even seen outside stories. This also furthers the idea of it being an intended harmless prank as well. Send the kid in, he gets the run around, day or so later pops back out... Only in this case he returns with the Sword of Legend.
@dayshallcomeagain3 жыл бұрын
@@autumin6843 Technically the Great Deku Tree stopped Link the first time. I assume it would be the same for the other recruits.
@theAfkmanorso3 жыл бұрын
To be honest They just wanted a action scene with link getting the Master sword, kicking Astor's ass
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
Aonuma approached Koei tecmo with the idea of a Breath of the Wild warriors game to expand upon the world of the past; it wasn’t just for fan service like the first Hyrule Warriors game.
@Buphido3 жыл бұрын
@@chrispork1443 It didn't really expand on THE world of the past though. It expanded on A world of the past, one that was different from what the original game suggested how things played out, but not on the past that would eventually lead to BotW. And any creative liberties taken were likely to be for the sake of gameplay and, well, fan service.
@maximusthedude83053 жыл бұрын
@@chrispork1443 Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity is completely inaccurate to botw’s expansive world and history, and it’s story is a joke. Nothing lines up with how it happens in the original story, and I’m not just talking about the timeline diverging, there are several huge inconsistencies long before the egg ever arrives. I’m tempted to call this game fan service, but that couldn’t be true since it’s so, so much worse than the story we already had, so what part the game am I supposed to view as ‘service’ exactly? This game’s story is nothing but amateur fan fiction given a budget. If Aonuma really wanted to ‘expand the world’ as you say, then why was the game in a seperate timeline? I would literally bet $1000 right now that nothing from this game is ever mentioned again even vaguely, not int BotW2, not ever. Just to be clear though, I mean no disrespect to you or anyone who somehow found a way to enjoy the story. I just feel very passionately about this subject since I was extremely excited about this game only for it to be one of the worst disappointments ever. So don’t take this too personally, I just have a REALLY strong opinion on the topic
@evdestroy41213 жыл бұрын
@@maximusthedude8305 The champion descendants will probably remember the events of AoC, since they are from the original timeline. That's about the extent that it goes though.
@Buphido3 жыл бұрын
@@maximusthedude8305 Oof, harsh! xD I wanted to say something similar, but I‘ve lost my marbles one too many times on that topic already and didn’t want to stir it up again. I do very much agree with you though.
@kacperwoch43683 жыл бұрын
15:15 ''Entertainment is more important than lore consistency'' This is rather bold statement in Zelda community
@cryosblaze58673 жыл бұрын
@@TMD-2147official HHHHHHHYYYYYYAAH!
@companyoflosers3 жыл бұрын
for a spinoff game that isnt canon and made by koei tecmo and is also a reskin of one of the laziest franchises around; dynasty warriors, it applies.
@JohnZ1173 жыл бұрын
ANY fan community.
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
The Koroks and Deku Tree recognize Link, and don’t remark on how big he has grown since he first claimed the Sword.
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for that!
@yodawg1893 жыл бұрын
But Link hasn't aged in 100 years
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
@@yodawg189 If he was 12 or 13 years old and hasn’t revisited Korok Forest after drawing the sword, they would have noticed how big he has grown.
@WideMouth3 жыл бұрын
Also Zelda recruits the champions earlier in AoC than she would have in the original timeline, due to Terrako informing her of the future. This is why Link claimed the sword after the champions were recruited in AoC. In the original timeline, Zelda would have recruited the champions later, after Link had already claimed the Master Sword. There was no rush for them to recruit the champions in the original timeline because Terrako wasn’t there to warn them.
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
@@WideMouth Also, in BotW, before Calamity struck, the kingdom was in relative peacetime.
@paige38983 жыл бұрын
I seriously love this. Especially how you connected the training camp and link becoming silent and closed off.
@mrgreatbigmoose3 жыл бұрын
11:11 Link is cutting raindrops! I never noticed that before! Sorry...distracted by shiny object. I think Link got hungry and wandered into the Lost Woods looking for food. Or he followed a dog in trying to pet it. Jeepers doesn't everybody want to pet the dogs? Why can't I pet the dogs!?!?
@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago1232 жыл бұрын
Considering he can see the Koroks, he might have seen one head into the forest and followed it. It'd make sense considering that the Koroks likely know the hidden path
@legomaster25382 жыл бұрын
Hestu does state that it’s been 100 years since anyone could see him. He probably met Link when he was wandering through the Lost Woods as a child and guided him to Korok Forest.
@dhans9662 Жыл бұрын
I like to think Fi called him to the forest like how it happened in Skyward Sword, in various memories it's shown that Fi is a voice within the sword and speaks to both Link and Zelda
@daviddwarmachine3 жыл бұрын
Imagine a 4 year old Link wanting a sword but his father doesn't allow it because he is to young. But he overhead a conversation of The Mightiest Sword Of Them All hidden in a forest that no one can enter. One night he finds the forest and the sword, the Deku Tree tells him everything (but Link doesn't understand) and takes of with the Sword, at home he has to hide it from everyone. The Age of Calamity scene would have amounted to: "All of the heroes arriving at the empty pedestal, Link suddenly remembering that he took it years ago, him sprinting of without saying anything, everyone going after him, Link arriving home and asking his sister where his old stuff is (of screen) while the others try to keep up with him and than Link gets it out of their shack from behind their house out of a blanket, that he had wrapped it up in so it didn't get any more scratches from his training." THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN HILARIOUS (TO ME). 😂🤣😂🤣
@orlandobritt14603 жыл бұрын
Yup
@ridwanali69013 жыл бұрын
botw link: pulls master sword at 12/13 years old half the other links: pathetic
@Jack_Donovan3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much all the other links were teens, wind weaker being 12, Oot being 9 so not that pathetic
@ridwanali69013 жыл бұрын
@@Jack_Donovan, i meant how the others are even younger than botw link
@ErenYeager-oi6hu3 жыл бұрын
@@ridwanali6901 Still can’t use the word “half” ‘cause only OoT Link was younger.
@Josephhhhh20773 жыл бұрын
Botw link is 16-17 years old lmao
@ErenYeager-oi6hu3 жыл бұрын
@@Josephhhhh2077 17+ actually, or he wouldn’t be allowed on mount lanayru. Now, what does your comment have to do with mine?
@vivithegr83893 жыл бұрын
Where the heck does the Master Sword's Sheath come from? It has a unique design and tends to looks similar in games. Does it just magically appear?
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
The answer is... yes?!
@lobstur5853 жыл бұрын
Magically magical
@cristianvandenbosse89893 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMazemaybe they kept it in a secret Chamber in the korok forest
@ShadowSkyX3 жыл бұрын
Could be fi generating the sheath, given at least half her dress...thing is the same color as the hilt. Especially since it's a largely consistent design. I think in tp there are dark green bands around the hilt as well that haven't been always present
@tamoozbr3 жыл бұрын
It's the magic of the goddess Hylia that makes it appear
@ast.40493 жыл бұрын
To add my thoughts on this: I always speculate that Terako is not doing a time-jump but rather a time-space jump. Zeldas last wish was "to protect everyone" I believe. Terako, guided by Zeldas wish, opened a portal - not before the calamity (maybe bc Ganon always wins in his first battle) - to a dimension in which Link has not yet pulled the sword. Edit: om to on
@magma903 жыл бұрын
Yes that makes sense
@ArceusDX3 жыл бұрын
I mean, the AOC loading screen tips, which were shown in the vid, do blatantly state that terrako's little stunt created a "new world", not a new timeline, but a whole new world.
@gunnerbradley52823 жыл бұрын
If Age of Calamity followed the book, imagine the Korrok forest mission, except that at the end of it the sword is missing. Realizing what they were supposed to find, Link suddenly looks around shiftily and has to tell them the master sword is just chilling in his closet. That’s be a funny cutscene I imagine.
@fl0ris2753 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Fi made contact with Link the same way she did back in Skyward Sword when they first met, which may have caused him to follow her into the woods. That would explain him not getting lost along the way
@SoaringxDragon3 жыл бұрын
If they ever do bring back Fi this would be better for BOTW2 when they end up nerfing Link in the beginning who would already have the master sword. Maybe have Ganon drain the sword of its power or something, causing it to revert back to the goddess sword and making Link have to reforge the sword just like his past self did. Since we see floating islands as well as both Zelda and Link initially exploring ruins and whatnot, it can be a call back to skyward sword.
@denimgenes59092 жыл бұрын
That is a perfect fit and good concept.
@randomcommenter24992 жыл бұрын
@@SoaringxDragon I sorta hope fi appears during a cutscene after links master sword gets melted and he’s getting his ass beaten by some op boss monster, and then as links about to get crushed by the monsters arm, outta nowhere fi cuts the monsters arm into pieces, grabs link, and flees with link. (Fi can fight due to her seeing multiple links from different generations)
@haileeraestout55672 жыл бұрын
Its Because Something Happened At The Castle Where The Queen Was MURDERED And Maybe Causing A BAD Awaking For Link Which WEAKENED Him
@Violets_and_Madness3 жыл бұрын
Man, imagine becoming the carrier of a sacred blade and defender of the world at 12 years old. I was still trying to memorize words for a spelling bee when I was 12
@Werewolf9143 жыл бұрын
What I always thought was similar to Wind Waker where Outset Island gives kids the same garments as the Hero of Time, and maybe once a Hylian boy turns 12 he is taken to the Master Sword to try and pull it, or is sent there on his own to try to pull the sword. But I think your idea makes more sense that the Sword (or I guess Fi) called to him.
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
Oooh King Arthur style. I like it!
@Dr.Pootis3 жыл бұрын
@Rosie Garcia That's only if you don't let go though, it's likely that if it was some sort of "ritual" where anyone of age has to attempt to pull it, there would probably be someone there to stop them before they went that far, just like how the Deku Tree stops you the first time you try to pull it without enough hearts.
@Agent-Ig3 жыл бұрын
@Rosie Garcia It’s possible Fi was annoyed/angry at Link for letting her get so damaged, so was doing the whole leeching life thing as payback.
@Agent-Ig3 жыл бұрын
@Rosie Garcia Why’s that? Why wouldn’t a sword’s spirit be annoyed at somebody if the person who used the sword for a good 5 or so years never listened to them, and in one fight damaged them so much chunks were missing from the blade, which took at max 100 years to heal? You also have to consider that BoTW link had wielded the master sword for the longest out of any past Link. Everybody else would pick it up for a few days or a week or so, before laying the blade back to rest. It’s actually shown in some way that Fi has resentment for this link. Not only do you have to have at least 13 hearts to lift the master sword, but in order for it to be fully charged all the time, you have to undertake several long tests of worth, strength and endurance. If Link dosnt prove his worth in the trials, then the blade only charges up when around Malice. If we take it from Fi’s side, then after each trial, she puts more effort into her/the swords abilities. She’s slowly accepting Link and forgiving him for his abuse and embarrassing failure to stop the calamity. This sword spirit has been the partner of countless hero’s and has brought down Demise’s reincarnation so many times with a perfect track record spanning thousands of years. And then this guy proceeds to ruin her flawless run of slaying and sealing evil by falling in the heat of battle.
@Agent-Ig3 жыл бұрын
@Rosie Garcia Ik, he got overwhelmed. It’s just a more Intresting thing to think about, with Fi being so old and being the weapon of so many past hero’s, what would she think and feel if one actually fell in the heat of battle after damaging her so much? To be honest, it’s actually more likely that after Link fell, Fi decided to update her criteria for removal from her pedestal, making it harder for unworthy/unready people to take temporary ownership of the sword.
@ZipoLabs3 жыл бұрын
Personally, in terms of explaining Age of Calamity's later sword pull, I like to consider that Calamity Ganon's malice exited Terrako's time gate at an earlier point in time, say 10-15 years before Age of Calamity occurs. This would explain why Astor has been able to rise to as much prominence as he has, as well as gaining the trust of the Yiga through his possession of Harbinger Ganon. As for how this affects Link not pulling the sword at the same time he would have in Breath of the World's timeline, Calamity Ganon's presence could allow for him to infest Hyrule Forest with monsters, like how we see it has been in the game, preventing Link from stumbling upon the Master Sword.
@evalynbaun66723 жыл бұрын
I agree that there are too many inconsistencies with AoC to even consider that Link obtained the master sword the same way in Botw. Like you said, the champions ballad DLC straight up confirms that Link had the sword long before the champions were even chosen. I really like the idea of a younger Link being at the training camp and going to the forest from there to obtain the sword. It makes a lot of sense and never really crossed my mind. Great video Don!
@tecinde36693 жыл бұрын
:EvilGanonLaugh: *Evie*
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
It also reconfirms it. Zelda talks about Link like he's a regular knight when asking Daruk to be a champion.
@maximusthedude83053 жыл бұрын
I’m still so disappointed that Age of Calamity didn’t even attempt to be canon. But ultimately the people at Koei Techmo were more interested in making their own story than sticking to the lore, so I guess we’ll never get a prequel. Not that I felt like it needed one before, but it’s hard to be promised something and have it ripped away from you without think about everything that could have been
@kamille2863 жыл бұрын
@@maximusthedude8305 Yeah, it would've been cool to play out what happened in botw's timeline. Even if it did though, that mastersword scene was so freaking epic I would almost still want it to be there. I would excuse the break from canon just because it's so cool
@thewardenofoz3324 Жыл бұрын
Yeah Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez does have quite a few inconsistencies.
@mikefoxgaming13353 жыл бұрын
Personally, I feel like link might've done it on his own. There's an NPC at the stable that says something about wandering into the forest and being terrified, and saying something about something dangerous in the woods. If we assume he wandered there while link was at the training camp, and link heard this story, weather directly or by rumor, I think he'd go to make sure that nobody is in immediate danger, considering that it's so close to the training camp and a stable.
@Tipani163 жыл бұрын
The master sword spoke to Zelda when Link fell after the battle.....the sword probably told her how to get through the Lost Woods to Korok Forest.
@haileeraestout55672 жыл бұрын
#TiffanyV What If Link Got His Actual Memories Back
@lanina18243 жыл бұрын
I like to think that after somehow Link enters the forest, it’s the koroks that guide him through it, since apparently he’s the only one that can see them. I really like to imagine little Link following some magical creatures in that scary place. It would also make a cool connection with the past heroes
@ShadowSkyX3 жыл бұрын
And although it was poes/ghosts in albw, they too technically lead him to the master sword so long as he was smart enough to deduce the right direction on his own.
@chessycopter96193 жыл бұрын
The real mystery in the Zelda community is not the general lore of the Zelda series and how it officially links together. No no, the really mystery is how monster maze doesn’t have 15 times the amount of subscribers and views on his videos. Like, seriously monster maze, you make some of the most well researched and well put together videos and explanations for this game series. Good job and have a good day :)
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
Oh my, that is seriously heartwarming to hear! I already feel incredibly blessed, since I started out only a year ago and I already have such an amazing audience. Thank you!
@rapid68433 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@kylehill36433 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMaze KZfaq suppression. YT gets cozy if you have the correct political beliefs.
@taimurqazi76033 жыл бұрын
he will once BOTW2 comes out and theories are everywhere
@Gigadander3 жыл бұрын
Links lineage in my opinion is the Protector(s) of Hyrule. With the technological advances of the Sheika I wouldn't be surprised if they already knew who each of the reincarnations are going to be.
@dayshallcomeagain3 жыл бұрын
It was established in a Link to the past that the hero is always destined to be born within the knight's clan, so you're correct.
@Hielo_Negro9033 жыл бұрын
This deserves its own video
@violetlight15483 жыл бұрын
I had the idea before, that I was planning on using in my fanfic, which would also explain how Zelda knew about the Great Deku Tree and where the Master Sword was supposed to lie: that King Rhoan brought a contingent of his best knights to the edge of the forest, hoping the GDT would let them in so one of them could pull the sword. Zelda was with him, obviously, and Link accompanied his father. As a cadet, he was not one of the knights supposed to draw it. Sensing the presence of the Spirit of the Hero, the Tree let them in, even parted the mists around the Woods so the company could pass. One by one, the knights tried to draw the sword. Some fainted from the effort, some (the more arrogant ones) were shocked by the sword, Link's father was unharmed, but couldn't get it to budge. Rhoan, frustrated, ordered his knights to leave. That's when they hear a "clang", look behind them, and see one clumsy cadet frantically trying to put the sword he knocked over back in its pedestal. I think I like your idea better though, even if it doesn't explain how Zelda knew where it was supposed to go.
@loganswalk86213 жыл бұрын
My head canon was that Link's father was some kind of knights errant who traveled all around Hyrule with Link serving as his squire(that also explains how he knows Mipha) when one day traveling near the Korok forest the koroks appeared and guided Link through the forest and too the sword and the rest is history.
@dominicrose89983 жыл бұрын
"Sooga is Life" Yes! Monster Maze gets how amazing Sooga is. I feel greatly appreciated
@mcedeias77883 жыл бұрын
I really hope that in the DLC, we get him as a playable fighter. I WANT SOOGA PLAYABLE! I wanted to play as him when I first saw him.
@dominicrose89983 жыл бұрын
Yes let our BIG HOT MUSCLE BOI Sooga join his Man Kohga in the Ranks of the other membees of the crew! Kohga X Sooga Unite
@Angel-fl8my3 жыл бұрын
I looove this theory it makes a lot of sense. I just imagine a scene where he gets back to the training camp with his newly acquired master sword and the other squires or whatever clamor around him...a botw manga done right would be fire
@paulmatulevich36233 жыл бұрын
I have had a thought that the spirit of Mekar (interred at Mekar island) may have guided Link through the Lost Woods via the subtle breeze that blows the torches
@zirrous3 жыл бұрын
as he was so gifted since such a young age, he could have been guided by Fi
@jessica-ov6js3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore that story and I could see the whole story in my mind like a movie 🍿🎥 I would like to add that the reason why Link was able to defeat adults when he was just a 4 year old boy is because he can slow time. He does it with his bow or furry attacking with his sword. So that's probably why he was so good at such a young age.
@ShadowSkyX3 жыл бұрын
Thing is, there are couple of people to note that time seems to slow down when link does something - teba and another npc are the only ones I can think of in the entire game that bring it up outright (I think the champions' diaries do but I mean the main game). I can only guess it's because of heightened perception or keener senses
@tamoozbr3 жыл бұрын
Furry rushes LMAO
@jessica-ov6js3 жыл бұрын
@@tamoozbr oh god I hadn't seen the typo lolol. I'll leave it so others can have a laugh too 😂
@tamoozbr3 жыл бұрын
@@jessica-ov6js good
@alilinsane3 жыл бұрын
My own headcanon: It’s not made explicitly clear when Terrako arrived to Hyrule. We can make an assumption that malice traveled with Terrako to infect the old Terrako, or Terrakold, creating the Harbinger, but we don’t see this in that opening scene of AoC. I think Terrako was whisked away to the exact place in space that he left from (outside Zeldas study) but at a different time and that is where the malice infected Terrakold. Terrako could have been blindsided by an attack and that’s why we see him deactivated so far away from the Castle in the beginning of AoC. When did this occur? Unknown but to preserve canon it would have to be a few years prior to the events of AoC. This gives the game devs freedom to rewrite any part of the story as they see fit. Terrako didn’t change much until AoC started but Terrakold did. It was because of him that all these monster attacks spiked up so we know he was active before the game started. He could’ve been the one to activate and corrupt Astor, or Astor could’ve been working to revive CG all along in the BotW timeline.
@AmirPrinceling3 жыл бұрын
That's actually a pretty good theory. It would definitely make more sense if the Harbinger appeared earlier, so as to get to Astor and whatnot. Harbinger appearing earlier and aiding Astor behind the scenes would definitely have changed a lot of events. Maybe Terrako appeared before Link attained the Master Sword and the Harbinger, possibly knowing how Link had gotten the Master Sword in the first place since it was from the future, created a diversion or some other scheme to drive Link away from the Lost Woods (maybe this was around the time the Lost Woods got infested with enemies) so that he didn't get the chance to draw the blade.
@oyominna29123 жыл бұрын
Aoc is not canon just stop
@AmirPrinceling3 жыл бұрын
@@oyominna2912 Just because you don't like it doesn't make it non-canon. It's just a timeline split. It doesn't affect BotW.
@MrLukeStump3 жыл бұрын
@@AmirPrinceling Aoc is the game based off of breath of the wild. It has a lot of relevant scenes in the game too!
@josepereznarvaez49233 жыл бұрын
Lets remember that in SS link actually listens to Fi when he first gets the Godess' sword. Might've been the same here
@andrealair61923 жыл бұрын
I love this discussion! I love age of calamity and it told the exact story it needed to but there is a very compelling story of a young squire with a heavy weight on his shoulders that you laid out. I love how you edited the scenario too. Your work is always measured and easy to consume. Great job!!!
@MrLukeStump3 жыл бұрын
Without the master sword I could not kill waterblight gannon, that is my story!
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
When Zelda goes to meet Daruk she talks about Link as "the most talented knight in Hyrule". He probably didn't have the Sword at that part since she would've called him "the knight with the sword that seals the darkness" instead. Obviously, that's just speculation but let's be real here, nobody wouldn't elude to the Master Sword when talking about Link to someone who barely knows him.
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
@@SirTell Hmmm... They could be talking about the hypothetical hero. Nevertheless, it's weird. Those two cutscenes obviously contradict each other, maybe looking into the Japanese version would make sense.
@stuffz17573 жыл бұрын
She refers to him as being the most talented knight in all of Hyrule because she's talking about him having been the top contender to be her personal knight, he is later selected to be her personal knight after he deflects a Guardian Beam with a pot lid, and the day after the final Champions Ballad scene, the one where they take the group photo, he is officially appointed her personal Knight which is what we see in Memory 1 of BOTW. This presents a lot of issues as we don't see the Sheikah Slate until that last Champions Ballad memory, but we do see Link being referred to as the "Weilder of the Blade that Seals the Darkness" in Revali's Champion Ballad memory which happens before all the others and in Mipha's memory. We also see that Zelda has already developed quite a lot of self-doubt by the time of the Champion Ballad memories which she developed in the first part because of Link having the MS, and self-doubt like that takes time to develop, just like it takes time for the news of Link pulling the sword to spread across the kingdom, so at the very least it's been months between Link pulling the blade and Zelda asking Revali to Pilot Medoh which is the earliest memory we see in the Champions Ballad. Taking all of this into account and also the fact that Revali actually forced Zelda to ask him twice to Pilot Medoh, and his Diary confirms that Link had the MS before he was asked the first time than the gap of time between Link having the MS and Calamity Ganon resurrecting only keeps getting bigger Basically 100% BOTW has to go like this: Link pulls the MS -> He becomes famous for doing so and over time that fame and responsibility starts to weigh on him. Around the same time Zelda grows jealous and spiteful towards him over the years because she can't unlock her powers -> Ganons return becomes more obvious so the people of Hyrule start to quickly make preparations -> Link visits Mipha again for the first time in a while and has the MS with him -> Zelda sets out to ask the Champions to Pilot the Divine Beasts -> sometime during this the Sheikah Slate is discovered and Link is declared to be Zelda's knight -> Final Champions Ballad Memory happens -> Link is officially appointed the next day -> BOTW memories start. Age of Calamity barely followed this storyline at all and largely supplement their own set of events so they could tell a story involving their OC, Terrako, so the game should be consider Non-canon in my opinion.
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
@@stuffz1757 Sorry, of my response is a biz short but I appreciate your efforts. The thing is, Zelda is being so vague here (and btw, it seems like the whole pot lit thing happened a bit later as that seems to be the deciding factor for why Link got the rank as Zelda's knight) that it sounds like Link has never pulled the sword before considering that would be the first thing one'd tell about him.
@rohanrodrigues71153 жыл бұрын
@@fluffynator6222 she never did like him in the first please, or she uses titles that may be recognisable to people without confusing anyone as she really doesn't like saying link's name out loud
@fluffynator62223 жыл бұрын
@@rohanrodrigues7115 Sure, but eluding to the Master Sword would still make sense even if she doesn't like him.
@GameEssays3 жыл бұрын
The best part abut Age of Calamity is Monster Maze having "Pre-Calamity" footage for his videos. Great work! Every video you do blows me away!
@manupm91613 жыл бұрын
I think the fact that Link didn't get the master sword in Age of calamity before meeting the champions can be explained by the fact that Terrak accelerates the process of meeting the champions, making it happen before and not after getting the master sword
@tamoozbr3 жыл бұрын
Link was like 12 when pulling it
@BoltBlades123 жыл бұрын
@@tamoozbr Korok Forest was also overridden with monsters. Enough to where it took the power of Vah Medoh to clear out enough of them for the group to enter.
@spadezap97283 жыл бұрын
I wanted Age of Calamity to be canon, as like a timeline split again, but because of this it isn't canon. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
@aegrajag3 жыл бұрын
Purah and Robbie's designs might be canon if Purah ages a bit in BotW 2
@oyominna29123 жыл бұрын
@@aegrajag yeah they might use them
@ErenYeager-oi6hu3 жыл бұрын
@@aegrajag Purah’s journal says that she completed the aging rune so she can grow up again, but she needed the blue flames to use the rune. So most likely, Purah will be an adult in Botw 2, or even turn back into an adult during a cutscene in the game.
@ralcogaming76743 жыл бұрын
@@aegrajag i don't see why designs aren't cannon just the events aren't. Its not like we have a whole new character like Astor being discussed as cannon 2 existing characters we never see as young adults designs aren't really something being debated.
@aegrajag3 жыл бұрын
@@ralcogaming7674 If AoC isn't canon, nothing is preventing Nintendo to just make a new design, as long as the designs aren't in a canon game, we can't know for sure
@Tatokat3 жыл бұрын
10:35 "...Small hint's from Nintendo employees" Nintendo employee: *outright states that Link is from Hateno* Hmmm... well I don't know. This might be a bit too abstract to count as a hint. But jokes aside: I've once heard the headcanon that every year the king, looking for the hero, would send all boys of a certain age (12-13 Years) into the forest to try and pull out the sword. Maybe even with high ranking soldiers or officials accompanying them in a sort of (drafting) ceremony. But of course they all would have failed (until Link showed up).
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
I called it a hint because this was just a presenter from Treehouse Live, and not a legit member of the actual Zelda team. But yeah, you are right. The term "hint" may not be the best choice haha.
@Tatokat3 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMaze Yeah, I'm aware that the source was... let's say dubious to say the least XD.
@DashSwordSlash3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your theory about how he got to the sword. But with Koroks being only able to be seen by children (and Link himself even later since he was pure) could the Deku tree have sent the Koroks to lead Link there, even from the military training camp? Just a thought I had as well :)
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
They enlisted the Champions first in Age of Calamity because Korok Forest was overrun with monsters-Harbinger Ganon’s forces prevented Link from getting the sword by himself, so they needed a Divine Beast to clear the way. In Breath of the Wild’s backstory, it was peacetime, so Link had no trouble finding the sword other than making it through the Lost Woods.
@kretisme3 жыл бұрын
It's many years off link should have had the sword years before terrako showed up
@oyominna29123 жыл бұрын
AoC is not canon
@Unknown-gn8gn Жыл бұрын
@@kretisme It’s a bit late but it’s likely that Ganon’s malice traveled back in time with Terrako but to an even farther point. This is because Astor that oracle guy could see into the future and view Ganon’s defeat by link in Botw, so Astor would then stop link from getting the sword by filling the forest with monsters which was said to have happened in Aoc and due to the increase in monsters link wouldn’t have been able to get the sword at a young age. Keep in mind Astor was seeing the future long before Aoc began.
@onewingedmoogle3 жыл бұрын
I have a theory on the AoC timeline that would fit rather well with your version of how Link obtained the Master Sword in the original timeline. It's that Terrako actually traveled back much further and lay dormant for years. Meanwhile, the shard of Calamity Ganon that followed roamed around for a while gathering information before eventually possessing that timeline's Terrako and recruiting Astor. Astor and the Yiga clan then begin gathering monsters to form an army to help further their cause. They then begin to relentlessly attack the Great Forest to get to the Master Sword. Although they are repelled each time, the increased monster activity around that area means that it is considered too dangerous to station recruits anywhere near the forest. This would mean that Link wouldn't get a chance to pull out the Master Sword until years later, when they had the Divine Beasts to clear out the monsters in the area.
@skullkid79893 жыл бұрын
Hey my favorite Zelda channel is back
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
Backstreet's back, alright!
@redstonewarrior0152 Жыл бұрын
It could be that terako managed to go back far further than a short while before the calamity's reawakening. Of course, how no one would have stumbled upon the little bugger is beyond me, but it is certainly possible that his simple presence that far back would have been enough to cause events to change drastically.
@angelo86063 жыл бұрын
Age of Calamity doesn't contradict Breath of the Wild here I think. You can't rely on Creating a Champion for the lore, it simply isn't canon. Just like the other books it was written by a third party and most of the lore exposed (when it doesn't come from the games themsleves) come from the autor's own head canon and interpretations. It's the case for the Master Sword and for most of what's in the book. Not everything is to be ignored obviously. The developer's notes, the concept arts and the interviews are the only things we can consider canon (of course the concept arts are still just concept arts). Another important thing is that Age of Calamity's story started earlier than you think. Hyrule was able to prepare for Ganon's revival earlier thanks to Terrako's warning, that's a big part of the plot. That's why Link didn't have the Master Sword while recruting the Champions. In Breath of the Wild they were recruited fairly late. When you look closely at Breath of the Wild's story there's nothing that contradicts this, and nothing that proves he had it for a long time either. Similar events happen in Age of Calamity and Breath of the Wild, but they don't happen at the same time at all. And the entire story and context are very different in the two games. Now is Age of Calamity canon? That's a whole other topic, but it isn't important here so I won't go into that. And I couldn't say for sure myself.
@spadezap97283 жыл бұрын
The only way to explain this is it's not canon or that Terrako going back changed the timeline before his arrival as well like Flashpoint Paradox, but that's not mentioned in the game.
@spadezap97283 жыл бұрын
@@Justic_ That could be true, but he was in the middle of the area, so he would have had to been moved somehow.
@fancyflautist3 жыл бұрын
"These can be chalked up to mistakes and nitpicks" *shows King Dorephan* THANK GOD I'm not the only one who saw that scar and got super annoyed because plot holeee 🤣
@lasercraft324 ай бұрын
9:04 Not that hard to believe when you realize he can INSTANTLY stop a Lynel charging full speed just with a shield, without even flinching or experiencing any recoil from it. XD
@skullkid79893 жыл бұрын
I wonder if I’m botw 2 link will lose the master sword at the beginning or he’ll keep it the entire game because that’s never happened
@kretisme3 жыл бұрын
I think he will ether lose it or it will be the weakest weapon in the game until you restore its power somehow
@tsogobauggi87213 жыл бұрын
Maybe he will have the sword and during Even Wilder Breath there are things you need to do to make it become stronger. :)
@doombat043 жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if he kept it
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
I think there's a good chance he will lose it. Or maybe the green hand is incompatible with the sword at first?
@lobstur5853 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMaze yes.
@TriangleTrinity3 жыл бұрын
I see MM I click
@midastouch44562 жыл бұрын
It’s kinda funny how before link gets the master sword originally he has armor, but when everyone realizes he is the legendary hero “here have this blue shirt. It has no protection, but you can see numbers above monsters heads”
@joos40763 жыл бұрын
Link when he gets the Master Sword: You have acquired: - Master Sword +1 - a shit ton of responsibility +1 - depression +1
@sheepshelf41413 жыл бұрын
you should do a video on the zelda manga
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
I am dying to read them some day ^^
@lobstur5853 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMaze I have the first 5 of the twilight princess there are more I think never played twilight princess tho
@BakuCP3 жыл бұрын
Im happy to see you uploading :)
@Subject_Keter2 жыл бұрын
Idk why but i picture Link somehow brings that up as a joke in training, it gets to King Rhoam getting mad declares the prankster go find the sword. Link goes out where he either follows the koroks or feels a tug to it and pulls it out. After showing it the real deal, the king goes through a book going over the collected tales of the calamities.
@hedgehogexe83573 жыл бұрын
I feel like I heard a story about Link parrying a laser from a rogue Guardian with a Pot Lid. I don't know where from, but I have a feeling it was from BotW somewhere. The story went, that after that incident, he was recognised as a talented knight and in the King's desperation to fight the Calamity, he was sent to pull the Sword from the Korok Forest. Again, I don't remember where I heard this, but it may be correct, if I'm remembering correctly.
@OGGD3 жыл бұрын
The first part, the parrying a guardian's laser I think it's from the King's diary in Hyrule Castle. The second part, I'm not sure I have ever read/heard that
@dayshallcomeagain3 жыл бұрын
Actually it's in Daruk's diary.
@hedgehogexe83573 жыл бұрын
Oh, so I wasn't misremembering then. The second part was just my inference anyway.
@ericpeterson65203 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Everyone just takes it as a given that Age of Calamity is canon just because Nintendo worked with them on it (giving the team the art assets and voice actors), but there's never been any solid indication that that's the case. It's just another spinoff, like the last Hyrule Warriors was
@tophatyt9703 жыл бұрын
Can we all admit that if age of calamity actually sticked to the book's and botw's lore and ended on sad ending it would be better in my book
@OurobourousOB3 жыл бұрын
Me too, it would be much more interesting to see what actually happened then rather than a different timeline,
@showmeyourmoves85513 жыл бұрын
Well, that happy ending story does not sit well with me
@anthony4323 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I was extremely disappointed that the game was marketed as a prequel to BotW, and while true in a sense, it is still unnecessary. I would have loved to see the relationships explained more, the tragic scenes of the Champions dying, and Link going on a last stand to defend Zelda. Although I doubt it, it would be a miracle if this was implemented in the DLC.
@kalas_x33 жыл бұрын
I chalk it up to Nintendo not wanting a Zelda game to end with the hero losing, even if it was a spin-off. In spite of all the changes BotW implemented, there are just some things Nintendo still doesn't have the courage to do.
@tophatyt9703 жыл бұрын
@@kalas_x3 the fallen timeline still is technically Canon in the zelda universe
@tacomerchant40002 жыл бұрын
I had always wondered why a military training camp was right there. I never thought of the role it had played in the story.
@davidquintana51363 жыл бұрын
Ever since I played Age of Calamity, this has bugged me and I have thought about this so dang much. For the first part of the video, I was like, "YES!" the whole time 😂. Well done and great vid!
@lincspace3 жыл бұрын
I loved Age of Calamity's story, but I just consider it a separate thing for the reasons you listed. Didn't stop it from being a cool story in its own right
@UltimateTobi3 жыл бұрын
I don't think they are going to retcon their recent, successful mainline game incl DLCs with a 3rd party arcade hack 'n slay game (I know it's not technically a Hack 'n Slay genre game). Also, could you please list the used tracks in your description? There are good tracks in there which I'd like to listen to.
@chillswany3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you lol
@novustalks75253 жыл бұрын
Well they did
@chillswany3 жыл бұрын
@@novustalks7525 aoc probably isnt canon lol
@novustalks75253 жыл бұрын
@@chillswany it is canon
@chillswany3 жыл бұрын
@@novustalks7525 you say that with what source?
@JohnTK2 жыл бұрын
I bet dollars to donuts that the Hyrule bootcamp was constructed intentionally close to the resting place of the master sword. They probably thought that the hero would likely be in the military, as someone with extraordinary skills would likely become a soldier. So they built the camp on the edge of the forest, hoping that the chosen hero would be called to the forest by the sword and pull it. And that's exactly what happened when Link went to the bootcamp after joining the military. The sword called out to him, and he wandered into the forest and pulled the blade, exactly as the military had predicted.
@triforcepanda45793 жыл бұрын
Man I just love your theory videos, the way you're brain works and the knowledge you have of zelda is just awesome man!
@fuchigole3 жыл бұрын
Great video MM as usual! I have a follow up for your theory and some ideas that could match both timelines. Link went for the MS when he was 12 as you said, and from that moment the Sword chose him as the hero, but he didn't took the sword with him, because it was not necessary yet. He only commented this fact to his family and close friends like Mipha, he then returned as a young adult to finally retrieved the Sword just before the memories of BOTW, he might have another dream telling him the calamity was close. In Age of Calamity this was not possible because the malice that followed Terrak made the monsters attacked the castle, event that didn't happened in the OG timeline, this made Link getting to know Impa and Zelda sooner, thus preventing him to retrieve the MS as a young adult as I suggested happened in OG timeline. It's just a thought.
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
This. I like ^^
@MrLukeStump3 жыл бұрын
@@MonsterMaze I like this too!
@nolastname9083 жыл бұрын
I believe that age of calamity is canon, because sure it takes place in an alternate timeline to what actually happened (breath of the wild) with the new time travel rules (thanks Endgame) we got to see what happened 100 years before the destruction of Hyrule and also see the timeline split into a different reality (i.e the master sword cutscene, the four champions still alive, and the king still alive) and frankly I love all the master sword cutscene and theme they give you a sense of empowerment while wielding the legendary blade (Age of Calamity has to be my new favorite Master sword theme)
@oyominna29123 жыл бұрын
It isnt canon, zelda wiki agrees with me,.they are the best in zelda lore
@nolastname9083 жыл бұрын
@@oyominna2912 correct
@charge8039 Жыл бұрын
Strictly speaking, I think it’s possible for Botw’s events to be compatible with AoC’s. My impression was that Terreko’s appearance accelerated the sequence of events prior to the Calamity. Link, through Terrako, meets Zelda earlier and, by saving her from a corrupted Guardian (which couldnt exist in Botw’s timeline) is appointed as her knight earlier. Aoc makes it clear that the malice from Botw’s timeline accelerated the arrival of the Calamity. Additionally, the Champions could have been appointed earlier because of Terreko’s arrival and the pictures it brought with them. In fact, Mipha’s diary supports this. In AoC, Mipha’s dialogue when meeting Link directly mirrors her diary entry, except in her description of Link’s demeanor. If Link visited Zora’s domain for the same reason in Botw (accompanying Zelda as she appoints the champions) then Link doesnt have the master sword because he visits Mipha before he drew the blade. As for the circumstances in which Link drew the blade in Botw, we’ll never know for certain. But strictly speaking, AoC’s lore regarding the Master Sword is possible because not all events need to line up with Botw. If time-traveling Terreko and malice accelerated the timeline, then Link drawing the Master Sword before or after the Champions are appointed in AoC doesn’t really tell us when Link drew the sword in Botw.
@lasercraft324 ай бұрын
I like to think that the reason Link gets the Master Sword differently in Age of Calamity is because that timeline existed _before_ Terrako got there. I know it says in the loading screen tip that Terrako created a split path, but its easier to explain if its not literal (because if Terrako hadn't traveled to that timeline, the Calamity still would have struck the same as the main timeline). This could also possibly be explained by Totk. Perhaps the timeline split was caused by Zelda traveling to the past to become the Light Dragon, with the Botw timeline being the timeline where Zelda was in the past, but Age of Calamity is the timeline where Zelda never went to the past.
@sethjansson56523 жыл бұрын
I like this theory, especially location-wise. If this were to be actualized as some kind of exposition or even a flashback in BotW 2, I would shit my pants.
@toschiworlds72123 жыл бұрын
I alaways explain it to myself by saying that perhaps Terrako arrived several years before the calamity, went out of commotion (maybe because the time travel used up most of his energy) and went unnoticed until the first battle in AoC (that's just speculation on my part though), meaning that the malice from BotW's Ganon would have infected the Terrako of this new time who would then have slipped out of the castle and went on to start corrupting monsters and probably setting up Astor as well. That way Korok Forest would be overtaken by monsters before Link had a chance to go there and obtain the Master Sword. And maybe the Hylian Army was too preoccupied in other parts of the kingdom to go and take of this. That is just my personal theory for this and it heavily relies on speculation and adding details, so take it with a grain of salt.
@MrLukeStump3 жыл бұрын
I like what you said!
@_Chara_Dreemurr Жыл бұрын
"Oh hey, dad, I found a shiny sword in the big forest near the training grounds. It’s quite sharp too, and glows."
@anthonydavis58262 жыл бұрын
This is an excellent theory and provides a lore-related purpose for the military training camp being near the Lost Woods.
@theghostofjeffgoldblumdail96133 жыл бұрын
I never understood how Link can even get the Master Sword back when he was 12 or 13, wouldn't he have been put in the Sacred Realm until he was 16 like in OOT, Windwaker I can kinda get since the sword was depowered when Link got it in that game so you could use that as an explanation but I still don't get how it works in BOTW
@WaywardEcho133 жыл бұрын
It's a different Link from the one in OoT
@santiago89913 жыл бұрын
In OOT he got it when he was 10, the chamber (or Rauru) made him "sleep" 7 years so he could wield it. This means he can get it at whatever age he is but if that age is under 15 (based on WW) it'll be useless
@maddyhodges633 жыл бұрын
It may be the same case as WW, because it wasn't full powered until Link does the Trial of the Sword. Right? I may be wrong.
@torie89573 жыл бұрын
Didn’t Ganondorf follow Link into the Temple of Time and try to steal the triforce? I think that Fi/Rauru sealed him away to keep him safe since he had just obtained the sword and wasn’t strong enough to defeat Ganon yet.
@brandsom183 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly OOT link was sealed in the sacres realm because he wasn't old enough to be the Hero of Time, possibly because he wasn't old enough or strong enough to defeat Ganondorf at the time? BOTW is a totally different hero so they could all have different perquisites to being able to pull the master sword
@tecinde36693 жыл бұрын
I actually have a theory regarding AoC’s possible setting in a completely different world than BotW’s, and not just since Terrako arrived. There’s some solid evidence to prove that the time Terrako left for AoC’s world wasn’t actually the future of BotW.
@BoltBlades123 жыл бұрын
It’s heavily implied to be the BotW timeline that Terrako escaped from. The first scene literally shows the climax of the BotW Great Calamity, with Zelda awakening her power to save Link from the Guardian onslaught. Inadvertently causing Terrako’s awakening and you know the rest
@rockmanlamar3 жыл бұрын
BotW / AoC's version of time travel is like DC's Animated Universe's time travel works. It creates a Butterfly Effect, and makes changes that effect events even before the arrival of the traveler *like in Flashpoint*
@Livael23 Жыл бұрын
I see this video was made before the DLCs for Age of Calamity released, which is a shame because the Guardian of Remembrance DLC actually allows us to reconcile AOC's timeline of events with BOTW's : Firstly, Terrako didn't arrive a few weeks before the Calamity. In the first DLC mission of Age of Calamity, we can see Terrako being crushed by the rubbles of the coliseum, which at the time were in pristine condition, then there is a cut, and these rubbles are now covered in moss, Terrako is all dirty and the whole atmosphere makes it clear that a lot of time has passed, it could be months, it could be years. The game never states how long before the Calamity Terrako arrived in the past, this cutscene is all we have. Secondly, it is also never stated in Breath of the Wild that Link has had the Master Sword for years. This information comes from Creating a Champion, but as you point out in other videos, Creating a Champion (1) wasn't written by Nintendo, and (2) contains several errors and inconcistencies. As you point out, it _is_ stated in the game that Link had the Master Sword before Mipha was recruited to become Ruta's pilot but as far as I'm aware that's really it. There is to my knowledge nothing in the game that would suggest Link has had the Master Sword since he was "twelve or thirteen", based on in-game information alone, he could very well have picked it up much later. I also don't see how Revali's journal implies that Link was chosen as the knight "long before" the Champions were chosen. I mean sure, he was chosen before they were selected, as I've already pointed out before, but nothing in his or anyone else's journal implies that he has had it for years, it could very well be weeks or months. In fact, I would argue it makes more sense for Link _not_ to have had the sword for that long. Why wait for such a long time to recruit the other Champions if the Hero has already been chosen for like 4 years? With all that considered, I don't think the two games are incompatible. Considering (1) the fact that Terrako, followed by Harbinger Ganon, arrived much earlier than the base game implies, and (2) the fact that, as stated in the DLC, Astor arranged for monsters to invade Korok Forest soon after in an attempt to delay the picking of the Master Sword (an invasion which to our knowledge didn't occur in the original timeline), the problem is solved : a younger Link wouldn't have been able (or allowed*) to travel to the forest due to the crazy amount of monsters which, in AOC, had to be taken down using a Divine Beast, and thus, wouldn't have been able to acquire the Master Sword at the same point in time as he did in the original timeline. Of course, it means that the picking of the Master Sword in AOC is not in any way representative of the events that transpired in the original timeline, but it doesn't mean these two sequences of events are inherently incompatible. *My headcanon for how Link got the Master Sword is that in the original timeline, knowing that the Calamity was upon Hyrule, some selected soldiers would be handpicked based on their character and abilities and would be sent on a "pilgrimage" of sorts to Korok Forest and would attempt to retrieve the Master Sword (after all, the Sword's location isn't a secret, it's just hard to find because of the Lost Woods). Link, being exceptionnally gifted, would eventually become one of those handpicked soldiers and would bring back the Master Sword. In the Age of Calamity timeline, this "pilgrimage" would be halted because of the monster invasion, the king likely deeming that his soldiers' lives were more important than a sword. Perhaps its immense significance had been lost to time, or the king thought Zelda's sealing power and the Divine Beasts would do the trick, or, as he ends up doing in the game, he was waiting for the Divine Beasts to be ready to rid the Forest of monsters and start sending soldiers to the forest again.
@mathewdickman47003 жыл бұрын
He probably just found it in the lost and found
@Hi-Im-Gib3 жыл бұрын
The one piece of evidence, the most evident in my eyes that points towards Aoc being an entirely different reality separate from botw. The one defining difference between the two realities... *why is Link taller than Zelda in botw? But shorter than her in Aoc?* (this is a joke, but if you look at the picture cutscene in botw, you can clearly see Link is taller, and in Aoc, you can see multiple times that Zelda's a lot taller)
@callummccaffrey79403 жыл бұрын
I love the scenario you did at the end, I can actually really see that as a possibility. I can imagine it very well too, you did a great job on this video!
@onefinegent3 жыл бұрын
Fi in OoT: The chosen hero is too young to weild the great sword of evils bane, I must lock him in time until he is old enough to use this weapon. Also Fi in BotW: oh this dude is only 13 and found the sword? Dope
@Dr.Pootis3 жыл бұрын
My own personal idea as to AoC's timeline is that Link went into the forest just as he does in the video's theory, but when he goes to pull the Master Sword, for some unknown reason it decides that he is not yet ready, and rather than pull an OoT and seal him away for years, he's sent back to the forest entrance, with all memories of the incident either erased or replaced(i.e. instead of remembering finding the Master Sword, he would remember seeing nothing there, and leaving).
@oyominna29123 жыл бұрын
Aoc is not canon
@Dr.Pootis3 жыл бұрын
@@oyominna2912 It is, just a different timeline.
@chrispork14433 жыл бұрын
Terrako’s arrival in the past isn’t clearly stated. Also Creating a Champion is plagued by similar issues as Hyrule Historia and Encyclopedia.
@davewrobleski48033 жыл бұрын
I was thinking about the MS retcon the other day. It can be worked around, I think. Like, maybe Link started feeling pressured because he was simply the best knight, and everyone looked up to him during the coming Calamity, Master Sword or not.
@noahnaugler76112 жыл бұрын
I think it would be really cool if there were a spin-off Zelda game, where multiple Hylian kids are competing to be chosen by the master sword
@RangerColinLZ3 жыл бұрын
When are we just gonna accept that nothing in Hyrule Warriors is canon? It's a spin-off at the end of the day.
@ZeldaLore3 жыл бұрын
Creating a champion does say Link pulling the Master sword when he is 12/13 is speculation, not confirmed. Since Link doesn't have the Master Sword during the Battle of Hyrule Field, and he has it when he meets Mipha later on in Botw's timeline, the only logical time when he would obtain it is after the battle of Hyrule Field. Link would also meet Daruk after the battle of Hyrule Field, just like he did in AoC. Since Terrako intervenes, Link wouldn't go to the korok forest as he is escorting Zelda, Impa and Terrako. Harbinger Ganon also had overrun Korok Forest with monsters in AoC. He knew the events of the future, so its likely he sent an overwhelming amount of monsters to kill Link and prevent him from obtaining the Master Sword.
@stuffz17573 жыл бұрын
Link had the MS long before any of the Champions were chosen in BOTW. Long enough for news to spread of him having it, for Zelda to develop a great sense of jealousy towards him, long enough for Link to develop his new found personality, and long enough for him to go and visit Mipha several times before she was asked by Zelda to pilot Ruta. This all had to have happened before Zelda asks Revali to pilot Medoh since that is the earliest thing we know happened within the year and some before the Calamity struck. Moreover this presumably happened before the discovery of the Sheikah Slate since Zelda actually does not have it at all in any of the Champion Ballad memories. So personally to me that's way too much to explain away just to throw AoC on some branch that will never be touched again.
@ZeldaLore3 жыл бұрын
@@stuffz1757 events play out different in both timelines. Link getting the Master Sword after the battle of Hyrule is before the champions are chosen and before he meets Mipha and Daruk, events which would happen much later. In Age of Calamity these events happen much faster. Zelda grows a resentment towards Link, yes, however these feelings turn into romantic feelings when Link saved her from the Yiga. In Age of Calamity, before Link gets the Master Sword, Link saves her from the corrupted Guardian, and it is from there that Zelda begins her romantic feelings for Link, explaining why she isn't resentful. Furthermore, Link gets the Master Sword and saves Zelda yet again from Astor. Zelda knows Impa, Purah and Robbie already, Impa has the sheikah Slate already, so their expedition described in Botw happens before the battle of Hyrule Field. Zelda not having it is because Purah and Robbie are researching it, Impa being the one leading the research operations, hence why she had the Sheikah Slate in AoC. You also have to take into account several things: 1. Creating a Champion, like Hyrule Encyclopedia, is written by a third party. Both books have information that is speculation by the writters, and some errors, like how they label ruins as Zonai when they are hylian made. 2) the games always take precedent over the books, specially the Japanese version as localizations lose important details when translated. 3) Age of Calamity was co-developed with the Zelda Team, to ensure the story was perfect and had no flaws, and they succeeded in doing so.
@ghw19852 жыл бұрын
your take is awesome, I can see all of this happening, great job!
@magikarpkingdom96983 жыл бұрын
Honestly, this felt really well thought out. Like a lota puzzles were placed just right with the theory of Links Master Sword Mystery. I'd guess maybe link was actually 5 or 6 when he was besting grown men in combat, but because he is naturally shorter then most hylian Knights, maybe the statement of him being 4 was from a few point of an outsider perspective. Either by that, this feels just right, like we seen some feats link is capable of before he was taken down by guardians in the cut scene. He slayed about 3 Lyanols, 3 waves of Brogobilans, and 2 waves of Lisalfos in a single afternoon. This also begins all at once, no shield, and guarding the princess all by himself. Not to mention the huge amounts of destroyed guardians around Zelda and Link too, he was in an open field, lost his shield, heavily damaged, had a damaged weapon, and had the burden of protecting Zelda, and he still got up. He probably would of at least token down the guardian that almost ended him before he fell in combat, only reason he did, was because he seen Zelda was able to protect herself, and he was able to finally rest knowing his job was done. This all begins what link had in skills before he had to be placed in the shrine of resurrection, so him being 5 or 6 and being confused for being 4 for his size, and still being able to fight men 3 to 4 times his size easily, does fit the mold for why Link was able to get the master sword at a super young age
@CloaxHere3 жыл бұрын
First and great theory dude! Edit: Yes Sooga is life and we need a Yiga spinoff game made by the DK team
@Dan_Roland3 жыл бұрын
How can you tell yet lol
@wPorpeta3 жыл бұрын
congrats but how do you know lol
@the_shadowz80043 жыл бұрын
@@Dan_Roland i'm also wondering
@murtymcfly3 жыл бұрын
Damn, watching a 16 minute video in half a second
@MonsterMaze3 жыл бұрын
Omg, yes! Sooga spinoff!
@akorra1393 жыл бұрын
Fun fact, everybody is first until you refresh
@monsieurlefrog87063 жыл бұрын
fun fact there is a man in my house
@wPorpeta3 жыл бұрын
@@monsieurlefrog8706 -that may or may not be me-
@monsieurlefrog87063 жыл бұрын
@@wPorpeta D:
@Ana363773 жыл бұрын
Interesting theory, I like it. Though for some reason I always thought that he returned the sword, pulled it back sometime during the middle (since a 12-year-old knight squire might not have a use for a legendary blade) and pulled it again shortly before the recruitment. Still, your theory holds a lot of ground and got me thinking how the sequence of events would really work out. Awesome theory as always, bravo!
@ArcaneEther3 жыл бұрын
It would have been possible to make AoC canon. All they would have to do is give Link the Master Sword at the start, for one or two battles and more quickly introduce the villain Aster. Have Aster use some kind of powerful dark magic to steal the Master Sword. He can't wield it himself, but he can re-seal it in the Yiga clan base. The first major plot arc would involve infiltrating the Yiga clan base to get the Master Sword back.
@dairhat3 жыл бұрын
A new video! :D
@SlowestGuyy3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit I'm the first to see such a cool video
@wPorpeta3 жыл бұрын
-nope-
@unironicallylikesranger71222 жыл бұрын
Personally, I subscribe to the Flashpoint Paradox explains alterations like that to the timeline: time travel isn't like swimming up a river, it's like shooting yourself from one point in the river to another with a cannon, it sets out ripples both up and downstream(I'm paraphrasing), so Terrako's use of time travel changed some things that happened before his destination time.
@TendoTheDude2 жыл бұрын
Zelda is literally the quintessential example of a timeless storyline and/or game. I first fired up Ocarina of Time at 7 years old when it came out, and I've been in love ever since. I've played through BotW multiple times and I own every historia book. Still, I find great enjoyment listening to these videos depicting many different types of ideas about the story and where it may be going. Thank you Monster Maze
@echostwitt96483 жыл бұрын
What if it's similar to how time travel is described by the Flash in the Flashpoint storyline, in that traveling back in time the traveler sends out a sort of shockwave that possibly affects events that took place before their arrival? Terrako going to the past might have made the timeline ripple just enough to change when Link obtains the Master Sword.
@ArceusDX3 жыл бұрын
One of the loading screens in AOC pretty much blatantly states that Terrako going back in time created a new world, so basically yes.
@echostwitt96483 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine ruined it by telling me the whole plot before I bought it, so I know the story, but I haven't played through the whole game yet. I hadn't seen that loading screen. Feels good to know I'm right though, 😄.