How has London been defined and formed over time? You may be familiar with the Greater London area now and its boroughs, but how was London shaped and defined before that? We show you!
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@TheRyanLamont8 жыл бұрын
These videos are always so fascinating!
@Jiana218 жыл бұрын
it's was my friends birthday yesterday.
@eIucidate8 жыл бұрын
I alluded to these counties in the video "Are you in London?", and it's great to see they've made a video about it. I've never actually seen the border of Greater London drawn on the historical counties until now, very interesting.
@tom71318 жыл бұрын
i live in carshalton (sutton), which is only really 10 miles from central london, so i do consider myself a Londoner as it only takes me 20 minutes to get into central London, although the feeling of being a Londoner is not as present as when you are living in a area closer to the central, but hey it still has its benefits (oyster card) !!!
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
If you live in Sutton you are a Londoner. LONDON Borough of Sutton innit.
@Tomi_janet156 жыл бұрын
tom Isn't Carshalton in Surrey?
@newchannellookforlissaelle85075 жыл бұрын
Tomi Janet it is technically Surrey, everyone that lives in Carshalton will have Surrey in their address, not London
@meesaye18264 жыл бұрын
@@newchannellookforlissaelle8507 Nope. Check any Carshalton address on the Royal Mail address and postcode finder website and you'll see that the word Surrey doesn't feature in the finished article.
@tom71312 жыл бұрын
@@newchannellookforlissaelle8507 carshalton is not techically in surrey, it is in sutton, in the london borough of sutton. you may be mistaking carshalton for when it used to be in surrey in 1965 and before, but unfortunately for you carshalton has not been in surrey since 1965! happy to educate :D
@juliancromwell69098 жыл бұрын
as always, very interesting. thanks for posting.
@Lewis.George6 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, there's a feeling about living in a London borough. If you go to Bexleyheath and then to Dartford (ie the head town of Dartford borough) everything feels so different, a difference that isn't so present if you went from Bexleyheath to Woolwich or Eltham. The same as if you go from Bromley or Beckenham to Swanley.
@KristerL8 жыл бұрын
Great video and very interesting! Fascinating stuff.
@SuperValue3508 жыл бұрын
Just did a research on this only a week ago, great video!
@d4fm4n3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the video I've been looking for for years
@AndrewTGreen8 жыл бұрын
I love you guys. I'm never going to see London...but you're stuff is cool as hell. Love the History. Please keep it coming.
@AndrewTGreen8 жыл бұрын
Seattle, WA. Not a fan of flying.
@prov51197 жыл бұрын
One day we'll meet.
@bolatbek_bibarys20092 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤ I just found out about London ❤❤
@joelong72738 жыл бұрын
great video but you didn't mention the fact that London was not originally the main town of London as the original "capital" was Colchester (Brittan's oldest recorded town) However this would not really effect the video and I'm probably just saying this because I live in Colchester. :)
@joelong72738 жыл бұрын
all of these roman capitals is confusing
@gary-93407 жыл бұрын
no, Winchester was the capital in Anglo-Saxon times
@rebekahsegun83196 жыл бұрын
I thought Winchester was the former capital of England
@simontay48516 жыл бұрын
No Winchester is the pub in Shawn of the dead.
@newchannellookforlissaelle85075 жыл бұрын
Yeh I thought it was Winchester too lol
@625tvroom8 жыл бұрын
The apostrophes in the captions top right bothered me greatly:-) Garggghhhh!
@1208shigrape8 жыл бұрын
Such a great video!! I love you guys, Londonist and especially cutie Geoff ^^ I wish I could visit London and study in there for a while. I will try my best to go to London and see you, Geoff!!
@Londonistvids8 жыл бұрын
Thanks Quynh! We'll let Geoff know next time we see him!
@jibberjabberman8 жыл бұрын
+Londonist Ltd lolol
@1208shigrape8 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Please let him know that he has a fan hehe!
@londonundergroundfan15637 жыл бұрын
I want to make two corrections:- The roman settlement is not drawn to scale. It is as big as the City of London today. The roman Wall is the border of the City today.-Because of the wall, the city didn´t grew. As the City grew rich, some king founded a completely new town, called Westminster, to suck power and wealth away from the City. It expanded and soon surrounded the City totally.-(Somebody wrote this already) Southwark was a settlement almost as long as the roman city, but it didn´t count as "Londinium".All information is from a book called "London Through Time" by Richard Platt and the "The (secret) City of London"-videos made by CGP Grey.
@londonundergroundfan15637 жыл бұрын
I don´t know why the text is crossed out, it should not be that way...
@metalswifty23 Жыл бұрын
@@londonundergroundfan1563 -Because you unintentionally started and ended that particular paragraph with dashes, like this-
@Ynysmydwr8 жыл бұрын
N.B. "Lundecwic" in the captions at 0' 25" should be Lundenwic.
@Londonistvids8 жыл бұрын
Yup! typo on our part, well spotted!
@torresalex7 жыл бұрын
Small question: why do you consider it fortunate that London never adopted a grid system? Not that I'm for it, just wondering. Grid systems have some advantages. Thanks!
@simontay48516 жыл бұрын
If London was a grid, it would be boring like an american city.
@5674inCincy6 жыл бұрын
Grids are BORING. The most exciting parts of NYC are sections built before the grid system was codified, in all the boroughs. Also, grids contribute to the heat island effect.
@MercurialRed92 жыл бұрын
Would’ve carved across pre-existing thoroughfares and alleyways, ruining the history. The grid system suits American cities that have very short histories. It doesn’t suit European cities with histories going back many centuries l
@thedoughnought73292 жыл бұрын
Because sometimes we gotta move diagonally
@juansdf18 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to live in London since I first visited in 2009. Now Londonist is making me CRAVE for a home there!
@Dave-hn5tl7 жыл бұрын
Juan Sánchez Don't.
@juansdf17 жыл бұрын
DaveyGames Why?
@Dave-hn5tl7 жыл бұрын
Juan Sánchez Well some aspects of the city may be good but generally, it's not great.
@juansdf17 жыл бұрын
I suppose so, yeah. But I'd have that problem anywhere I lived so at least I prefer to live in a place I like
@juansdf17 жыл бұрын
But with brexit and all the racism it seems difficult...
@kkkennedykk7 жыл бұрын
GEOFF I read somewhere that London is actually pre-Roman and we don't really know when people first settled here and where the name comes from, what's your thoughts on this?
@danidejaneiro83786 жыл бұрын
I wish that was about ten minutes longer.
@IamTheWillrus8 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video, as always! Why is it exactly that London has such winding, narrow streets? My history teacher told me years ago when we were learning about Paris and Berlin, but I forgot almost everything he said after I took my GCSE's
@skellious8 жыл бұрын
it's not just London, all ancient towns in the uk are like that. unless they've been majorly redeveloped, which few have, they often retain the original narrow streets which when the city was originally built were then fine for the level of carts coming and going. but London and indeed many uk cities have long had problems with congestion due to trying to fit too much traffic down small streets. not all streets in London are that small though, there are plenty of wide roads as well. but yeah, the simple answer is when a lot of the older parts were built there was no one saying 'it's going to get busy here one day, better leave huge roads to allow all the traffic through'.
@TheHesK98 жыл бұрын
London roads are nothing compared to places like Cambridge, York and Norwich
@Lazyguy226 жыл бұрын
Pedestrianisation is the answer!
@ala02845 жыл бұрын
It’s not just London or even the uk, most cities built before the car are like that i.e most of Europe. It’s just that most American cities were built after that
@metalswifty23 Жыл бұрын
@@ala0284 I feel like you can see the difference quite well even in America with major old cities in New England vs the rest of America.
@crazysharkgaming89478 жыл бұрын
0:04 Who saw KFC instead of K&C?
@sanaypatel11348 жыл бұрын
No one
@crazysharkgaming89478 жыл бұрын
So it was just my eyes playing up on me, because I defintely saw KFC
@ax2bxc8 жыл бұрын
me
@erichb22498 жыл бұрын
Same here :)
@jordan30120007 жыл бұрын
yep
@antonydandrea8 жыл бұрын
I was under the impression a second settlement formed a little bit further down the river first and it was that that grew and swallowed up the original
@londonundergroundfan15637 жыл бұрын
This is correct. As the City got too powerful a new town (called Westminster) was founded, which as it grew eventually totally surrounded the City of London. Soon, the people called the whole urban area London and the town of Westminster was merged with the City of London to create "London". But at this time, the City of London secured its special rights and privileges which it still holds to this date.
@196hasnain8 жыл бұрын
why did you say it was fortunate that london wasnt rebuilt grid style? surely it would have made future proofing the city easier?
@squeakysoliloquy832 жыл бұрын
Of course there were settlements where London is today before Roman times. In 1108BC, Brutus, an exile Trojan after the falling of Troy, was said to have made home in the exact spot and named it New Troy, or Troia Nova. It was also known as Plowonida, in pre celtic times, meaning Wide flowing river. Also known as Lowoniidonjon, Trinovantum, Caer Lud, Kaer Lundain and the Welsh for Hill Fort, Clyndin. London was many things before the Romans arrived.
@ibrah99627 жыл бұрын
I went for job interview once and the interviewer asked me how I would get to work as she thought I lived outside London, she asked why my address was middlesex and not London. I had to explain to her that I live in London and middlesex was part of London, journey by tube will only take me 30 minutes (zone 4 to 1)The interviewer was from eastern europe and may be that's is why she didn't knew middlesex is in London. When writing my address i write greater London or London instead of middlesex, I only use middlesex for online forms. On a map I am closer to central London than areas with London postcode (if i walk for 3 minutes south and 5 minutes east from my street I will be in London postcode code area)
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Middlesex was abolished in 1965.
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Treblinka 1 : The Penal Camp Why? There's no need.
@lorenalleyne77127 жыл бұрын
Ibra H I live in the london brough of redbridge and my postcode is IG (essex )instead of E (east london) I also have to explain that I live in london and not essex.
@Lazyguy226 жыл бұрын
Some people prefer the old counties, which have a richer history. There's even a pressure group (the Association of British Counties) and a militant wing (CountyWatch). Up the ABC!
@Lewis.George6 жыл бұрын
I have this problem because my current address has a DA postcode and sometimes reads as "Kent" even though I live in South East London, my third nearest station has the Elizabeth Line running to it at the end of the year. Mind you, if people ask where I come from I do say Lewisham (where I was born) to avoid any confusion as to my being a Londoner.
@stuartfanning7 жыл бұрын
Not accurate about Middlesex. Greater London did not wholely swallow up Middlesex, as the town of Staines and Sunbury were transferred to Surrey not Greater London.
@rebekahsegun83196 жыл бұрын
He means the MAJORITY of Middlesex was swallowed up by Greater London- which is true.
@markfoxwell24116 жыл бұрын
And don't forget Potters Bar
@patthewoodboy5 жыл бұрын
pedant
@stuartfanning4 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders Yes but public pressure in most of those areas kept them out of London. The government's original proposals had most of them in the new Greater London.
@stuartfanning4 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders Main reason that even the then Transport Secretary and Epsom MP: Chris Grayling couldn't get Epsom Station into Zone 6 is one of the two train operators servicing the station, South Western Railway, wouldn't subsidize it. However Epsom Station is now part of Oyster through the Pay as you Go scheme, also used to get Redhill and Gatwick Airport into Oyster.
@revinhatol Жыл бұрын
If only Greater London would change its ceremonial county name to Middlesex to recognize its past.
@revinhatol Жыл бұрын
@Deesar Thafaks May 16th is Middlesex Day.
@nathanendsor11376 жыл бұрын
You Should Do One About Greater Manchester
@jasongomez53447 жыл бұрын
0:50 Southwark wasn't formed in the 14th century. It already existed as a separate settlement on the other side of the river from Londinium in Roman times.
@cloverisfan8182 жыл бұрын
This is Geoff’s voice!
@Alpha12005 жыл бұрын
In this you guys say that Westminster abbey is called such because its name means "West church" because it was built on the Western edge of London. Could you or someone else in the comment section give me a source which confirms and/or expands on this?
@HenrysAdventures3 жыл бұрын
What was the county town of Middlesex?
@revinhatol Жыл бұрын
Some people may consider London as that.
@Great_WesternTVFan Жыл бұрын
By many people I think, the old county of london been would be classed as the real london
@Axys_0_Rex6 жыл бұрын
Came here to find out when the various cities, towns and villages became part of Greater London. Instead, found out that they were always London. RIP City of Westminster. You were forgotten.
@jamesflowers16866 жыл бұрын
Please note that there have been further changes , 1965 the older boroughs of East and West Ham formed Newham , it wasn't a borough from the very start of the mapping of London like GM described.
@JeSuisRene4 жыл бұрын
I think Jay Foreman's video on this matter will help explain further.
@QPRTokyo6 жыл бұрын
The slab of concrete grows.
@Caroleonus3 жыл бұрын
but no longer, thanks to the green belt. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNCld5VpnbDQc6c.html
@virajpathak253 жыл бұрын
I’m in Harrow👌
@ibrah99627 жыл бұрын
At 1.01 you say there were plans to rebuild London in grid style layout (like american cities), fortunately it never happened. Why is grid style layout bad? what would have happened if London was rebuilt in grid style layout?
@paulsengupta9717 жыл бұрын
You'd have lost all the history of the current streets which date back hundreds of years.
@MelkromisteinWeeb6 жыл бұрын
RIP Middlesex
@rumourhats4 жыл бұрын
Bye bye Middlesex. It was nice knowing you.
@ax2bxc8 жыл бұрын
I wonder why other londonist employees are still not making videos to this channel
@ax2bxc8 жыл бұрын
+Hari Holmes I know right :-)
@MarioJPav7 жыл бұрын
so even stratford and barking was essex?
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Mario J. Pav Yep, they became part of London the same time Romford and Ilford did, 1965.
@lakaka95876 жыл бұрын
They still are in essex
@lakaka95876 жыл бұрын
Read This the fucking are
@KasabianFan446 жыл бұрын
Stratford is Essex? Are you for real mate, it’s FAR closer to central London than to the Essex border!
@KayKapone13 жыл бұрын
@@lakaka9587 ummmm not they’re not still in Essex 😂 why do u wish u was from Essex so much? I literally see you on the video called” you are in Surrey kent Middlesex kent. Where he explains the merges. 😂
@tiefighter90277 жыл бұрын
Grrrr One day we will see Epsom and Ewell on that map
@jakedeane53047 жыл бұрын
i know so annoying
@atoonlinktothepast17 жыл бұрын
or at least in Zone 6
@joel92407 жыл бұрын
It might interest you to know that Epsom and Ewell were originally included in the plan for Greater London, but were removed at a later date due to local opposition. The same is true of the towns of Walton-on-Thames and Weybridge.
@atoonlinktothepast17 жыл бұрын
Joel Nichols I didn't realise that. Looking on a map, the inclusion of Elmbridge would put the south-western border to towns outside it like Leatherhead (no change since it borders Malden Rushett, Kingston borough), Byfleet, Shepperton to name a few. It would really change up the Zones too.
@joel92407 жыл бұрын
Oh definitely. The boundaries as they were originally proposed actually lined up pretty closely with where the M25 now is.
@greatwolf53726 жыл бұрын
RIP Middlesex :(
@pkizdabest7 жыл бұрын
Is that where Middlesex University in Hendon gets its name from? As it used to be in Middlesex.
@jakedeane53047 жыл бұрын
pkizdabest Middlesex still lives
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Jake Deane No it don't.
@jakedeane53047 жыл бұрын
A Person yes it does....how would u like it if your county was destroyed?
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Jake Deane How does it still exist?
@jakedeane53047 жыл бұрын
A Person it's still referenced
@batman518 жыл бұрын
Seems odd not to mention Borough, which existed long before Southwark, and has given its name to districts all over the place.
@batman514 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders I'm sure I knew what I meant when I wrote it, but that was a long time ago.
@tyrozone58 жыл бұрын
Be my history teacher
@choobs85117 жыл бұрын
should we celebrate in 2043 for 2000 years standing?
@EdgyNumber17 жыл бұрын
So, technically, Birmingham is the biggest city in the UK?
@EdgyNumber14 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders Therefore Birmingham as a unitary authority is the biggest city in the UK.
@ronaldjones96683 жыл бұрын
Small part of Middlesex still exist? 🤔
@revinhatol Жыл бұрын
in Herts.
@84beatles6 жыл бұрын
So, even London was founded by us 2000 years ago ?? The real question is: what haven’t we founded (?).... 😉
@rahulrathod-vx6yv2 жыл бұрын
Videos
@MrGyges8 жыл бұрын
Middlesex still lives! Sforza Middlesexia !
@aperson23307 жыл бұрын
Nope. It was abolished in 1965.
@oxlacticalthree-six-five92646 жыл бұрын
A Person no, if you look closely, a part by Edgware still is Middlesex. Though It’s fairly small.
@swymaj02 Жыл бұрын
So Middlesex technically doesn't exist no more.
@PGATProductions Жыл бұрын
it literally doesnt exist
@widowmaker99175 жыл бұрын
Never new there’s a district devoted to kfc
@xirfan8 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately on the grid pattern I think.
@skellious8 жыл бұрын
only from a practical point of view. grids are far less interesting than organic layouts.
@xirfan8 жыл бұрын
Really..? imgur.com/a/hOWni
@skellious8 жыл бұрын
+xirfan yeah. if i want to see that i can just look at my computers circuit board. European cities allow you to get lost in them, to turn a corner and discover a little place hidden away down a back street you never knew was there. it all feels so organic and relaxing to me. then again i generally dislike cities full stop so perhaps my preference is tipped towards villages anyway and they are certainly surrounded by nature.
@xirfan8 жыл бұрын
Europe media.timeout.com/images/100592143/image.jpg
@skellious8 жыл бұрын
+xirfan 1)Europe is highly differentiated, just like the usa but more so because it's different countries, so that picture represents only a small part of it. 2) I'm not talking about cities im talking about small settlements. like lewes, a medieval town saintsremovals.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/removals-lewis.png
@chrisstephens66738 жыл бұрын
Fitzrovia in the 1700s get real!
@katie4293 жыл бұрын
Not so pogchamp😔
@rkan28 жыл бұрын
So after Brexit instead of Londinium we will have and even larger area called LonBremandinium?
@garywoolton18756 жыл бұрын
And as a Kingstonian even now I prclaim it is not London but Surrey. It is KT not SW21. Raynes Park as SW20 is the edge of London in my mind.
@garywoolton18756 жыл бұрын
Not :) And as I was born before the forming of the Greater London Council, I can at least hold onto that belief.
@markfoxwell24116 жыл бұрын
Does Surrey county council pay council tax to Kingston for its offices? Just wondering.
@garywoolton18754 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders And if Putney still had Surrey in it's address I would. In the same way I see Bromley as Kent. Snobbery? Maybe I don't argue when it comes to Kingston I can be a snob.
@garywoolton18754 жыл бұрын
@John Saunders Kingston Surrey KT1 1AA as an example. Raynes Park SW20... Wimbledon SW19. Brixton was formerly Surrey SW2... When Kingston becomes SW21, your arguement will be sound buy for now KT and Surrey are indeed part of the address.
@andrewroffey35111 ай бұрын
@@garywoolton1875Surrey is not part of the address because a correctly written address doesn't contain a county.
@mediastarguest7 жыл бұрын
Anybody wishing to visit London for the first time should note that it no longer exists, except as a geographical reference. What can be found instead is a hybrid, which p.c. educated experts call a "cosmopolitan city".
@zarffekentish31746 жыл бұрын
Get Bromley and bexley out of London and back into the great Kent
@val-schaeffer11177 жыл бұрын
Not sure how London was created. How Londonistan is / will be created will however stay better documented in the annals of British History.
@troywales983 Жыл бұрын
and next a vid on how london was lost as part of uk ,all it took was a few crooked MP,S