How Many Batteries for 5kW Solar System

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In this video, I'm going to show you how many batteries you need for a 5kW solar system.
If you have an off-grid cabin with a 5kW solar panel system. You need to use this website: pvwatts.nrel.gov/ to find out the minimum amount of sunhours you have at your location. We need to plan for the worst-case scenario, which means we'll use a minimum of 3 sun hours per day.
Now, onto the calculation: Your 5kW solar panel system will generate 15kWh of power on an average day in December. And yes, that needs to fully recharge your battery in a single day. So, we need a 15kWh battery to store all that power. That's roughly 3 48V server rack batteries, considering an off-grid scenario.
But here's the thing: sizing a solar system isn't as simple as matching battery size to panel capacity. It's actually the other way around. You start with a load analysis, then size the battery based on three days of autonomy, and finally size the solar panels based on the battery capacity.
To illustrate, let's walk through an example: Say our off-grid home consumes 10kWh of energy daily. Multiply that by 3 days for autonomy, and you've got a total of 30kWh of battery storage needed. That translates to about 6 server rack batteries, costing around $7,000. Then, we size the solar panel array to recharge those batteries in one day, considering our average of 3 sun hours.
So, how much power can you actually consume from that 15kWh battery while maintaining 3 days of autonomy? The answer: 5kWh of daily energy consumption. That's because the battery needs to store enough energy to last through three days of bad weather.

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@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 22 күн бұрын
Your videos are getting better, ah... but your calculation is scaled impractically high. Very few people install storage and solar for a 10kWh/day load based on winter loading. Let alone with 3 zero-sun days worth of buffer. Its usually just too expensive to do that. Among other things, 2/3rd of the system's output will wind up being curtailed (thrown away) 8 months out of the year from over-production. Literally thrown away due to over-production. Between roughly mid-March to mid-November or so, only roughly 3kWp (p = installed nameplate) of solar is needed to handle 10kWh/day in consumption, for example. That's less than 1/3rd the amount of solar you specified. And instead of 30kWh worth of batteries to cover 3 days of poor weather most people will only cover 2 days. You get the 3rd day just from solar accumulated over the prior 2 days. 20kWh of storage rather than 30kWh. Even a bit less. 15 kWh of storage for 10kWh/day of consumption is far more typical (a 2 day buffer inclusive of solar accumulated over those 2 days). For winter most people who live off-grid make due with less power, and they use a supplemental generator. The reason is simple... no amount of solar and battery is going to cover you across a week-long storm. You need to have the supplemental generation anyway. The goal is thus to minimize fuel consumption during winter rather than eliminate it entirely. Eliminating it entirely is almost impossible in most locations. -Matt
@gavinator354
@gavinator354 18 күн бұрын
great vid as always, but one thing i think was missed: you originally used the lowest sun producing month of December to start your calculations, but then when you broke down your load, you included 3 hours of AC. AC wouldn't be used in winter time, so if it's being used in summer time you'd have way more sun, meaning less panels. so maybe there needs to be a different calculation because AC sure used a LOT of energy :)
@uwadiegwuemmanuel8809
@uwadiegwuemmanuel8809 15 күн бұрын
he is right,always use the worse case or scenario.thanks. I stand to be corrected.
@stedyone1090
@stedyone1090 22 күн бұрын
Nice. Thanks for sharing 👍
@georgiosdretakis8617
@georgiosdretakis8617 22 күн бұрын
Always very good
@scoobyblu5815
@scoobyblu5815 12 күн бұрын
Well explained
@ravindradaundkar9905
@ravindradaundkar9905 22 күн бұрын
Whats your thoughts on off grid DC homes?
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513 22 күн бұрын
I currently have have 9 270w panels on the ground. I run two rack batteries down to 85% overnight and they charge up in a few hours in the morning even with part shade on some panels. I will be putting 12-14 270w panels on my shed roof and eventually I will be using a total of eight 48v rack batteries. Plus grid connect for back up power on extended cloudy days as I have a larger grid connect system as well. I personally go the other way around and size the inverter I require then the batteries for extended days, I go for at least 5-7 days back up and not 3. Then I size the solar array to suit. There will be excess produced so I can run my electric got water system off solar on a timer a as well during the day. Fully off grid I would the same. Always buy more than you calculate to create a buffer. I'm the example in the video I would buy 4 batteries and also a bigger inverter/charger and more panels. Nothing wrong with oversizing. The argument for cost is irrelevant. This is someone I wouldn't penny pinch on
@sureshvellinezhi5962
@sureshvellinezhi5962 18 күн бұрын
Hello Sir. I want clarification, pls help me. my country, all the seven days getting sun light. (Not 3 sunny days as said in the video). So I have a doubt in the panel and battery calculation. If am using 300Ah/12 volt battery+ 760 Watts solar panel, can I connect 900watts load with lead acid battery.
@nelsondog100
@nelsondog100 22 күн бұрын
I’m in the Philippines and need to know the sun hours in this area. Where can I find this information?
@codylange9534
@codylange9534 8 күн бұрын
I need help with the system I'm trying to build. I have and know the info for how much I use monthly for power. Just need help starting and figuring out how much of what I need pls help
@linossinkala7840
@linossinkala7840 22 күн бұрын
Thankyou sir
@stephenhickman9502
@stephenhickman9502 22 күн бұрын
Hello from South Carolina
@lukewarren7857
@lukewarren7857 13 күн бұрын
I subscribed as most of my questions are in his video library I recently from a single 100 watt Renology panel cheap charger controller on the roof of my 4x4 suv One year later i peiced together 5000 watt pure sine wave with auto selection up to 48 volt also three large 400 watt panels that seem to produce 49.5 volt on cloudy days my smaller panel is 215 watt also puts out ,49.5 Volts with a smaller capacity ~ i can't afford to blow up my dreams now ( On roof of my 23' travel trailer only two fit currently thanks in advance for any suggestions or comments
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 11 күн бұрын
Thanks for the sub and your comment Luke. Welcome aboard!
@lukewarren7857
@lukewarren7857 13 күн бұрын
It's beginning to make sense ( please correct me if I error ~my 100 watt modified sine wave is 12 volt only so 2~ 100 Ah batteries wired series parallel gives me 12 volts at 200 Amp gives me ,117% just shy of our safety margin?
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 11 күн бұрын
You cannot wire two batteries in series parallel. It's either series or parallel. Since you have a 12V inverter, you will have 12V 200Ah.
@malk6277
@malk6277 17 күн бұрын
Hi! I love your videos but I'm confused by this one. The reference table gives us KWh/square meter/day. That's not the same thing as "sun hours", is it? I wish you had gone into more detail on that point.
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 16 күн бұрын
It is sunhours. 1kw/M2 = 1 sunhour. Don't confuse with hours of sunshine. 1 hour of sunshine can be 500w/m2
@geoffreykaila
@geoffreykaila 17 күн бұрын
Sizing based on battery size is over sizing. On a daily basis, you do not need to generate battery capacity energy. Maybe generate daily requirement including loses. This would reduce cost of PV array. Array may be adjusted ups to reduce recovery time after days of autonomy.
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 16 күн бұрын
It's not oversizing if you calculate 3 days of autonomy. Check out my video sizing off grid solar system.
@babymathew3434
@babymathew3434 9 күн бұрын
can I connect 2 LiFePO4 batteries of 48 volt each in series to energise a 96 volt inverter
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 9 күн бұрын
Most 48V batteries cannot do this because the BMS is limited to 48V. Check your manual of the battery.
@lgolsen
@lgolsen 12 күн бұрын
I know the headline limits the possibilities of expanding the solar, but I guess you could expand the size of the panels if you bought one less battery ? In that case the likelihood of running ‘uninterrupted’ during 3 cloudy days in December would increase … am I right? Is the likelihood higher or lower ? What’s your opinion on this ‘total cost’ approach?
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 12 күн бұрын
It depends on the max input voltage calculation. If you are grid tied then it's probably not worth it. This is for off-grid.
@lgolsen
@lgolsen 12 күн бұрын
@@cleversolarpower sorry - found an important typo in the question. Have edited it… can I get you to re-read ?
@hamiltonkpasipamire7454
@hamiltonkpasipamire7454 22 күн бұрын
How do i maximise the inverter with 2 MPPT trackers without affecting the Voc. Have a LuxTek 5kW inverter (5SNA). 2 strings of PV modules one with 600W JA Solar panels and another with 450W panels. Worried about inverter max voltages.
@hamiltonkpasipamire7454
@hamiltonkpasipamire7454 22 күн бұрын
PV1 has 1265W and 150.6V PV2 has 1765W and 155.5V Inverter is LuxPowerTek SNA5000WPV. Need more PV capacity but concerned about MPPT voltage limits on Inverter. Please advise
@oz2pe
@oz2pe 20 күн бұрын
​@@hamiltonkpasipamire7454to keep voltage down, put panels in parallel
@casemodder89
@casemodder89 17 күн бұрын
​@@hamiltonkpasipamire7454 if the inverter can handle it, parallel the panels. BUT the inverter has to be able to handel the SCC short circuit of all panels. if a panel has 33Voc 30V mpp and 22A Scc 20A mpp (600W) and the inverter can handle 150V 25A you could put them all in series. because 4 times 33V open circuit is 132V => plus 10% safety magin => 145,2V open circuit is below 150V inverter capabilitiy. for the current nothing changes because in a serial string the amps keep the same like the individual panel. thats 22A short circuit. 10% safety margin => 24,2A is below 25A inverter capability. if the inverter can handle 80V but 50A you could put 2 panels as series strings and then parallel them with another series twin of panels. so you had 66V open circuit including 10% safety => 72,6V => below 80V. and the two paralleled twin strings would double the amps to 44A short circuit => below 50A inverter capability. still you need to take into consideration the battery voltage level. like 12V, 24V or 48V. you can all-parallel the panels, if 1.: the inverter is capable ( 22+22+22+22 = 88A short circuit) AND the battery voltage level is about +/- 33% BELOW the mpp maximum power point voltage of the panel. that would be about 18V for a typical 12V system. so panels rangeing from 17 to 21V mpp would fit well for a 12V with all paralleled panels. on a higher voltage stage like 24V you could never get a single watthour in your battery. so putting two in series for a string of 36V is the minimum. you can stack as many 36V strings in paralel as the inverter can handle. but you could also put 4 panels into a single string of 72V mpp. but always look for the open circuit voltage and take that into account with you calculations. a single 18V mpp panel might produce 21V open circuit. also never chose an inverter below the short circuit rating. it might fry.
@brianOcurradhin
@brianOcurradhin 21 күн бұрын
It's interesting that starlink uses 50w and runs 24/7 which really adds up
@808pathfinder
@808pathfinder 22 күн бұрын
No more wet batteries for me , going Lithium and don't regret it, LTOs are the way to go⚡👌💪
@YoungDadoffgridsolar
@YoungDadoffgridsolar 22 күн бұрын
How many 220Ah batteries do i need to build a 5kwh 48v battery system. And how many 300watts solar panel will i need for a 5kwh panel array
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 22 күн бұрын
Amp-hours is not really a measure of energy storage. Its amp-hours x volts. Presuming LiFePO4 batteries, you don't buy 12V batteries for this. You buy 48V (which is actually 51.2V nominal for LiFePO4, 16s) batteries. 5kWh of storage winds up being ONE 100Ah 48V LiFePO4 battery. That would be ONE EG4 LL or EG4 LifePower4 rack-mount battery. Around 100lbs. I'll reinterpret your other question as "How much solar to produce 5kWh/day". The answer is roughly 1.5kWp worth of solar panels in summer, and roughly 2.5kWp in winter. kWp = nameplate installed solar panels. Of course it depends on many factors, in particular where you live in the world, but those are rough numbers that work almost anywhere. Generally you just multiply the nameplate by 2 to 3 for winter and by 4 to 5 for summer to get the energy/day. 1 kW solar panel = 2 kWh to 3 kWh/day in winter and 4 kWh to 5 kWh/day in summer. Roughly. Something like that. Depends on where you live. So choose which setup you want. 1.5kWp worth of solar with 300W panels is roughly 5 panels. 2.5kWp worth of solar with 300W panels is roughly 8 or 9 300W panels. The 1.5kWp setup will be able to produce 5kWh/day of energy for roughly 240 days out of the 365-day year. A 2.5kWp setup will be able to produce 5kWh/day of energy for roughly 300 days out of the 365-day year. And less for the remaining days (winter storms, excess cloudiness, etc). -Matt
@YoungDadoffgridsolar
@YoungDadoffgridsolar 22 күн бұрын
@@junkerzn7312 awesome explanation. I really appreciate your thorough explanation. Much love from Nigeria
@michaeldedan6567
@michaeldedan6567 22 күн бұрын
nice
@grahamjohnson4702
@grahamjohnson4702 22 күн бұрын
What happens to the rest of the power in the batteries if we can't use it, and why can't we use it?
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 22 күн бұрын
The battery has 3 days of autonomy. That means on day 1 you will use 5kwh, day 2 5kwh, and day 3 5kwh. Then the battery will get recharged from 0 to 100%. This is the worst case scenario for off-grid purposes.
@fibber2u
@fibber2u 22 күн бұрын
Obviously it would not be that neat more likely you will have random days of full and partial recharge. But the spare power would just sit in the battery bank (just like cash savings in a money bank) waiting for the rainy days.
@grahamjohnson4702
@grahamjohnson4702 22 күн бұрын
@@cleversolarpower but you don't answer my question what happens to the % you don't use.
@junkerzn7312
@junkerzn7312 22 күн бұрын
@@grahamjohnson4702 It gets thrown away. The charge controllers will curtail the solar, reducing the power output from the panels to exactly match your real-time loads once the battery is full. Excess power that the panels COULD have been producing is thrown away. So it will be able to keep the battery full until sun-down, but it can't use the extra power unless there is a load there to soak it up. This is how renewable energy works. You either have more than you need, or less than you need, but never exactly what you need. Always better to have more than you need. Instead of throwing it away, some people are able to leverage the extra energy by adding extra real-time loads to the system to soak up the extra energy. For example, a little crypto-currency farm (Mining monero, for example... but to be honest nobody ever makes enough money that way for it to be worth doing). If you have access to the grid you just push the excess to the grid. If you don't you can use the excess energy to heat water in your water heater, or heat a sand-battery for overnight home heating purposes, and so on and so forth. At least up to a point. So there are plenty of use cases for the extra energy instead of throwing it away, but those uses have to be constructed. Most people don't bother beyond heating up a tank of water or a sand-battery to help with overnight home heating needs. Theoretically... well, actually in practice, some greenhouses generate extra heat and inject it into the ground during summer and the heat then reduces winter operating costs. It can actually radiate back into the greenhouse over the entirety of winter. -Matt
@adon8672
@adon8672 22 күн бұрын
​@@grahamjohnson4702nothing. It just stays there until it's needed.
@eugen-m
@eugen-m 22 күн бұрын
I belive for 5kw is better 48v sistem , ok ?
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 22 күн бұрын
Yes, a 48V system should be used. If you have a 12V system, you need 350A worth of charge controllers. If you use 48V, it's reduced to 90A.
@pravicaljudem1814
@pravicaljudem1814 12 күн бұрын
Too expensive, its cheaper to just pay for electricity.
@cleversolarpower
@cleversolarpower 12 күн бұрын
Not if you are off grid 😉
@JamesSmith-bj9vk
@JamesSmith-bj9vk Күн бұрын
But, it's Fun! 😊
@eapj12
@eapj12 11 күн бұрын
That was good but you can not take a Lifepo4 battery to zero.
@giovanninongbri2250
@giovanninongbri2250 21 күн бұрын
You don't need to find how many batteries. If you buy an inverter which has a rating of 5kVA and 48V that means you need 4 batteries connect them in series simple. The Battery input Voltage is already mention when you buy a Solar Inverter. If it says 24V you need two batteries in series, 36V you need three in series and so on.
@geoffreykaila
@geoffreykaila 17 күн бұрын
Yes that is correct, but what size battery bank would be needed?
@giovanninongbri2250
@giovanninongbri2250 17 күн бұрын
@@geoffreykaila depends, now if average sunshine hours in a day is 4 and the maximum PV wattage that can be connected to the inverter is 5000 watts, so that means your solar panels will generate 5000 watts * 4 hours (average sunshine) = 20,000 Watt-hours , Now since the inverter has a battery voltage input of 48 Volts and if we take 4 batteries each having voltage of 12V and 200Ah we connect 4 of them in series the total voltage will add up to 48 Volts , 200Ah, here the total energy of the battery will be 48V * 200Ah = 9,600 Watt-hours. So the total energy generated from our panels is 20,000 Watt-hours as compared to the total Energy of the battery which is only 9,600 Watt-hours which is clearly sufficient to charge the battery bank. 20,000 Watt-hours (Generation from Solar ) > 9,600 Watt-hours ( Total Energy of the Battery Bank). Hope this helps!! Cheers!
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513
@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513 16 күн бұрын
I design from the battery backwards and but as many batteries as I can. Then the inverter charger and then as many panels as I can fit. I didn't calculate anything. Just go as big as possible.. my inverter charger has AC in for charging even the sun doesn't shine
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