We rely on donations to keep this channel going! Join our wonderful Patreon community (link in description!) or send us a Venmo @ Samantha-Shelley-1 if you’d like to support us! 🤍🤍🤍

That *gasp* "you guys are the bad guys" sent me 😂😂

That was a fantastic episode of MS, and Sam really helped bring it together by asking questions that John wouldn't know to ask. So glad to see Steph here on your guys' channel.

I actually cried when Stephanie said how she doesn’t care what her kids does they can still be amazing. ♥️ Her kids are lucky to have such an accepting mom

GREAT INTERVIEW!!! What struck me was Stephanie's existential crises and not knowing if anything was real. That's the importance of community and that's why cults try and cut off their members from forming communities outside of the cult. Love that Stephanie acknowledged had she had a community outside for the church, the existential crises wouldn't have been so intense..

I’ve been on a healing journey for about a decade and I still learn new things about myself and the world all the time. The biggest aha moment I had was realizing my self worth wasn’t tied to anything, it was the golden core of me. Seeking connection and being my authentic self without shame are big ones too.

Oh god, the full blown existential crisis while not really being able talk to about it is so relatable and ROUGH. My therapist was thankfully able to “bring me back to earth.” It gets better, but the paradigm shift is jarring to say the least

Loved what Tanner said about being able to experience grief, witnessing it and letting it both in and out of your body. Earlier today, I had a similar experience in meditation of just being able to recognize and feel some of the grief that I knew I was carrying around with me. Inspiring episode! Love you guys! ❤ (wannabe gen Z heart)

Can big agree. Psychedelics really opened me up to wanting to do music because i wanted to express my feelings better. However it does make me cripplingly empathetic now XD

These episodes about the use of psychedelics are so fascinating to me because I do feel like they have the potential to help open peoples' minds (not from personal experience but based on anecdotal research), but I definitely have a lot of fear of what I'll find in these kinds of journeys. Starting EMDR therapy has already ripped open deeply buried wounds, but I also don't want it to be one of those things where it gets put off due to fear. Thanks for putting this information here and for sharing your experiences

Ive been micro dosing mushrooms to help with focus. It’s pretty awesome. And it makes me love Tanners laugh even more!😂

This was such a great listen. A good reminder to me to return to some self work and reflection. Truly the lords work. Lol

Stephanie looks like the Utah version of Emma Watson

This was such a wonderful video & discussion (as I slowly work my way through your backlog, lol) Shame I'm finding, as I do more work on myself, really is one of the most if not the most potent poisons to ever exist. Its a feeling so core-rendingly horrific to us that we'll volunteer to endure so many other horrific things to avoid or even dampen. It really feels like one of the most apt tools at separating you from others and from the whole. Finding out how to work on deconstructing shame has felt to me like learning you can open a window in a room you'd been locked inside alone your whole life. A quote about shame that I think about often is from one of my favorite YA series (Six of Crows): "We can endure all kinds of pain. It’s shame that eats men whole."

Such a great episode. All the feels!

😂 when the person interviewed said "you guys know" and I'm thinking "I don't know, please explain that's why we're watching this"

Great interview. It flowed well & the hour flew by. I didn’t even recall her Mormon Stories episode until the end after Sam mentioned the instagram hair page. ❤

I think this video changed the trajectory of my entire life tbh

sammm, 'there's nothing else, just all of this' is my number one song on spotify this year

I had one of these experiences many years ago after coming out of a fundamentalist Christian upbringing. It was not precipitated by any type of drug (natural or otherwise). It came out of a failed suicide attempt. It also took me about 6 months to begin stabilizing the 'knowing' that resulted. I think of it as a waking up. But it has zero to do with the modern term of 'wokeness'. It can also be associated with the eastern notion of 'enlightenment'. It may be more closely related to the second association. But more of an enlightenment lite. I felt like I finally became an adult - at 46yo! Enjoy your new life!

I really enjoyed this. Thanks

This was such a great conversation! Thank you for bringing her on and asking such great questions!

One thing I've been doing the past few years is reclaiming some of the religious language I was given as a child, now that I'm in a different place, as a way of connecting back to those people and ways of thinking. And one phrase I kept thinking of when watching your discussion was "there, but for the grace of god, go I." We are all capable of immense, immeasurable evil. We are all capable of immense, priceless good. If we see someone suffering from the delusion of superiority we must remember it is not because of some quality of ourself that we are noting their place. And they too carry inside them the seeds of beauty, love, and humility. I've loved this discussion 💖 Thank you

Can relate to *so* much of this! (Joe here…) Really cool to hear this articulated. My fav Zelph episode so far.

It's like listening to the counter-culture rock n rollers from the 60s-70s. You've just discovered why the music was great,🎸 people were either cool or uncool, brotherly love, and big flowers! Still can't explain the green, brown and yellow refrigerators, or orange carpets!😂 When is the GenZ+ Woodstock!? 🌸🌼

Such a soothing, validating video

Such an important and high value content video. If only every soul on earth could watch this. I had a similar experience with cannabis, studied Jung's Red Book and archetypes, read The Secret of the Golden Flower, understood Plato's Cave and it all helped make everything fall into place and make so much sense (how cultural conditioning represses and controls people from highest self actualization and self transcendence and actually buries and imprisons our most authentic, highest self/selves). IFS is great for understanding we really carry all of our selves with us through life, not just our present day self. I had experienced severe physical, sexual, and emotional trauma since childhood that was inescapable and forced so I developed Complex PTSD. Within a few months after my biggest revelatory moment my trauma symptoms reduced drastically, my discretion increased tenfold, and I've been crystal clear with my integrity and safety ever since. I now trust myself, love myself, and love others more fully and deeply. It was a mountaintop, beautiful experience where I could see all of human history, love, hate, biology, evolution, physics, (just all science really), myths, etc. in full context without even feeling my own individual existence. It felt like I was just an observer of it all, from that mountaintop. Coming back down from the mountain was not easy, but I've learned through meditation how to revisit so I can walk in alignment with my highest self and with the higher spirit of consciousness that is all of us. The collective unconsciousness, I suppose Jung would call it. And yeah, no shame. It's okay to feel self-awareness and self-correction. But shame too easily slips into over-reaction to our own mistakes and to those of others.

I love your hair Sam! ❤

Honestly, after leaving mormonism several years ago, I’ve kinda fallen off my own spiritual journey in like any way. Especially after, years back when my own meditation went from wonderful, and mindful to digging up feelings of panic. It’s been difficult to get back into those things and that panic has honestly lately consumed everything. To the point of, if it wasn’t for kind people giving me a couch to sleep on, I would honestly probably have been sleeping on the concrete. My own mind feels like a nightmare most days and especially this last week or so. There’s so much I have yet to be able to deconstruct in myself and honestly the discussion on shame has spoken to me through the video. It truly still has such a strong hold over my life in almost every aspect. Even presenting my own gender or enjoying the games I like. Honestly shame has even seeped into my own mental health practice. The feeling of shame in indulging in sad music when upset, shame in finding comfort in myself and my own mind. Hell shame around tearing in this moment. I do think shame makes up a big part of even the panic hat comes over me. Shame in not knowing how to be an adult, of not knowing how to interact with people. Shame of not presenting nerotypical. Honestly I hope at some point I’m able to hold onto these moments for longer than a few short moments before retreating back into distractions my own mind.

Psychedelics really did change me and my life in big wonderful ways. I am thankful i took the leap🍄

Words can’t express how much I love Stephanie, loved this episode and the Mormon Stories one! Thank you 🩵

You guys are the best - thank you for this episode! ❤️

Bring her back!! Love your dynamic :)

I'm here too early for comments!

I wish I could try mushrooms. I've been dealing with major depressive disorder and anxiety for 16 years. I've been on every med and would like to try them too see if they would help.

It’s crazy how Mormon I was, it’s embarrassing. I can relate 😂

I loved this! ❤️

this video is giving me hope thank you ❤

I’m an Ex JW, and one time I asked a fellow Ex JW how they recently woke up. She said she took mushrooms, and suddenly realized it was all BS. I am fascinated that this has also happened to Mormons!

26:36 I thought he said Joey is only accessed in the present, lol. Like from friends

love her, love yall

This is so incredibly sad! I grew up atheist in the 70’s so free love and all that. I’ve always felt very deeply and it makes me literally cry to think that people are being repressed in their church, where is the love that “Jesus” supposedly taught.

This 🙌🏻🙌🏻💖

Question: If you believe in unconditional love and no shame, I'm really curious, how do you divorce without feeling like you're not giving conditional love to the spouse? It's a real question I've wondered. Have you figured out how to decide when to unconditionally love ourselves and when to give unconditional love to others, and sacrifice what we want?

So jealous of all you guys taking psychedelics. I've been on antidepressants for 10+ years and supposedly the two do not mix. I'm desperate AF. Although I did do ketamine 😂

26:10

So sorry to be the 421st like on this video but. I can’t not. This is so interesting lol

And btw we really have to know where y’all thrift the style is getting OUT OF HAND

Yay! I am early

"Mushrooms don't fix your brain" 1g does not, sweetheart. Try 10g.

Let me float this idea and see where it goes... Prodigal Daughter rejoins [THE Church Of JESUS CHRIST Of Latter Day Saints] but... instead of being a constantly drugged up person on psychiatric drugs, she has become drug free. Everyone loves her in THE Church, indeed she is celebrated not just for returning to her "roots" but also because of the book that she has secretly had ghost written that is a bestseller telling about her amazing experiences in her life. She becomes a millionaire because of this book supposedly about her life journey where she went from being a drippy emotionally stunted Doctor Prescribed druggie to becoming a fully competent female on her own terms. Then... wait for it, because this is a great part as well... she becomes a double millionaire [millionaire_ess???] because of the movie that comes out that critics can't stop raving about who all say is BETTER than the Erin Brockavich movie!!! Do we see the potential here??? I say... when does the sequel come out because I want to see that. Is it PG, PG_13 or do we go right for the action adventure R_Rated version of the concept??! Right??! We are talking some serious money potential here. Not to get to far afield, but perhaps there could be an X_Rated spoof similar to how they did Star Wars and Snow White if you know what I mean (not trying to get too weird here, just thinking a few steps ahead that's all). I say pitch the idea to the "bosses" and we all know who the "bosses" are (at least that is so for everyone in this room) and who knows... sky is the limit. Forget about doing the whole Tight End Football Player fake Romance Taylor Swift thing... go right for the professional quarterback. Where is Zack Wilson when we need him[???]... stand straight for the photographer let's try to get it right the first time and all that kind of stuff, right??? Zack Wilson in a hot tub, looks spontaneous but it's not, it's a romantic publicity stunt for the tabloids. I mean come on, the world needs this!!! This could rejuvenate the National Enquirer and bring them out of bankruptcy!!! It's the simple concepts that really are best. Yes I am serving up the softball here and it's going to require Stephanie Brinkerhoff to knock it out of the ball park, but me personally, I think she has what it takes. She has the shine in the eyes. She is the real deal. Just thinking about this I'm getting a chill (but since I know what that addiction leads to I won't take a chill_pill). Go for it!!! Shoot for the moon!!! (Do it soon.) . . .