Praying, Paying and Obeying sounds like their version of Live, Laugh, Love. 🤧

Russell M Nelson actually performed open-heart surgery on himself while he was on an airplane that was shot down by African assassins hellbent on killing him and kidnapping the woman with a purple hat

The way I got an ad for Celestial Seasonings tea at the end of this video was top tier comedy

The worst part of being Mormon for me was thinking my individuality had no value. I was expected to be a perfect Mormon robot and find a husband and avoid experiencing this world. nothing else had value. Was so depressing.

I really appreciate what you guys do. Sometimes it feels extremely isolating and scary knowing that most of my family believes this stuff but you guys injecting humor/commentary into it really helps me cope and make light of it. I wish I would’ve known about this channel when I was in the midst of my faith crisis 😭💜

When you guys said that mormons are "duty-driven" I feel like you hit something in a dark corner of my brain. My parents are 100% duty driven, to the point of mental and physical injury. I think I have been too. I have SUCH a hard time prioritizing what really makes me joyful. But, what does it mean to not be duty-driven? It's hard to think about. Would love a video on that topic

Dissociation feels like a very prevalent issue right now, and it makes sense with the world and societies we live in, it's so much easier to dissociate away and go numb to what's around rather than to embrace uncomfortable feelings and sit with them.

Hearing talks like this and imagining my parents taking this very seriously is quite sad for me. Im sad that my parents see me this way. Im sad for myself but even more sad for my parents because im actually very cool and they're missing it.

I’ve found the phrase “think celestial” as the Church’s way to side step the more universal phrase “what would Jesus do” and make their brand I mean doctrine more recognizable

To this day, my immediate thought when something financially positive happens is "It's because I paid my tithing!" I haven't paid it in years lol

My family loved the "think celestial" and I greatly dislike how my mom likes to use it. Its a great way to ignore someone that is having struggles. Like, oh you have anxiety and can't stop thinking about terrible things? Think celestial and it will be healed hahahahahhahahh. Terrible terribleee

Amazing. It’s shocking how shallow, unloving and controlling their talks are. It's crazy that I never felt that way when on the inside. I love listening to your discussions, it makes these talks less triggering. 😊

This brought up really strong emotions for me - magical thinking has been on my mind lately. There is real-world harm because my family believes this man. One of my siblings got divorced earlier this year, and moved back in with my 60yr old parents (with their 4 kids in tow and zero child support). My dad does manual labor, my mom has a very low paying job in education, and my sibling basically does gig work. At first, they kept talking about how the lord is blessing them financially; but it's clear that it was only a short burst of extra income that's quickly drying up. There's other factors as well, but they have poor financial planning because they are depending on how god is going to fix the problem (i.e. find new husband to provide right away, more jobs will come up, get a raise, etc). Needless to say, I'm so worried about them all, and extremely angry at the church that taught them this way of thinking.

Many people ask me the secret to living so long. But that's the wrong question. I wish people would ask me what I know. But I can't actually answer that right now. SO let me say this... i have learned what I teach is fabulous!

Just wanted to say I appreciate the vids you two put out! I've introduced your channel to my mom and it's really helped the both of us on our journeys out of the church and to open our eyes to things we didn't realize or know about.

I can honestly say that I have personally spent over 600 hours of study about about Mormonism. Trying to convinced family members to leave this blasphemous cult

I didn't know that he repeated "Think Celestial" like "Follow the prophet". He repeated that phrase a million times hahahaha. Sorry Rusty. We are already celestial beings because we are made of elements formed from stars that go supernova.

I, for one, would like to hear more about this Kevin. He sounds like a man I could follow!

Its put at a x4 speed and still speaks so slowly. Can’t imagine listening for the whole conference 😂

8:28 Even as a kid growing up in the church, I always felt there was something about the way all conference talks were given that was unique somehow, different from most oration and vastly different from early church leaders. The old recordings from Woodruff and other presidents from that era indicate very different oration styles from today. Interesting to now hear that it may be related to hypnosis. And when thinking back to others who use this style elsewhere, it’s always when someone is dressed nicely and trying to be presentable and respectable, but perhaps not fully honest and forthright somehow. Like a well dressed, attractive, charismatic politician who’s doing you dirty behind the scenes but damn they’re so likable and soothing!! Shows they really put thought into this at some point back at church headquarters.

Tanner, I'm proud of you for challenging your disordered eating and not letting food rules become more important than your mental and physical health. I find for myself that the same impulse that gave me religious scrupulosity also causes disordered eating in me. People like us have to be careful about this kind of thing, i think

43:11 one of my young women’s leaders was in college to become a radiologist before she met her husband and had kids. Of course she loves her family but she didn’t continue becoming a radiologist. And that’s the story of soooo many Mormon women it hurts my heart.

it wont be long now when he stands b4 the lord, and explains why he decieved so many people. and instead of giving to the poor and hungry, he threatened hellfire if they didnt give to him.

Think celestial = keep sweet

the fight or flight response that kicked in when the first clip of nelson came on LMAO. i haven't watched general conference in approaching a decade(!!) and it took me by surprise. the adrenaline will wear off by the end of the vid

I'm glad you guys covered this talk. It is alarming how well it seemed to be received by TBMs vs how horribly it sounds to those of us who have left

45:02 I think the "close quote" is akin to saying "mic drop." Like in his mind, this would be a "and everyone clapped" moment, but 1) this is General Conference and he's gotta keep up his best hypnotic late night fm dj voice, and 2) it can't be that transparently masturbatory, because he's also humbly speaking as one of the only people on earth who experiences true joy 🙂 /i

What a rush it must be to convince millions of people that you are a prophet, seer, and revelator, the only man on earth authorized to speak on behalf of God himself! As God's personal rock star, you are the only one authorized to update and distribute the official promotional literature necessary to market Celestial timeshare. Location, location, location! Just think, if you act now, you can live next door to all of the previous, present, and future Mormon apostles and prophets in all eternity in a special gated Celestial community. Wow! Where do I sign?

I developed binge eating disorder on my mission. I know for a fact that all the spirituality in the world cannot solve everyone’s food addiction. I needed medication.

Love the fits, both of you! And Tanner's hair cut is 🔥. On the hypanosis thing, no wonder I would be dozing off during general conference, glad I wasn't conscious for most of the speeches.

Rusticle "the M" Nelson actually performed heart surgery on his mother while in the womb.

"That's so 2015, we're fully into clay now" 😂😂😂

Omg, I was JUST talking about Lehi's dream the other day: I'd had the same epiphany! Since I left the church, it feels like I've found the tree of life, meanwhile, the Mormons in their foundationless "Great and Spacious Building" scorn me from afar. I thought I was so clever for reaching that conclusion lol

I've been "chased" for decades by missionaries, no matter how many times I have moved. Will this "chasedness" get me into the Celestial Kingdom, or the Celestial Empire with the Chinese, or the Celestine Prophecy?

I always picture you guys meeting in a Sunday School class with the tan chairs for some reason it’s cute lol

Lose my family forever??? say less!

So I was a concert in the twenty teens and I remember learning that hell wasn’t really a thing? Just outer darkness and the suffering there was just being cut of from any form of god or not seeing your family but like you weren’t punished there. I’m wondering if that was a recent thing or a regional thing? Because that was the impression I got from everyone in the church I talked to.

gotta debunk your coffee theory...my kin drank the deepest darkest strongest coffee black. You would enter their home in the morning and feel the caffeine invade your pours as the aroma was so strong. They were ambassadors to Brazil and they had the coffee imported and use to go down to the docks in CA to retrieve it like they were buying some kind of contraband. My point is they aged to late 90's. I contend that stuff in their veins killed anything harmful. They were never sick and they weren't old people.

Man if my accent was as beautiful as Sam’s I would never stop talking

I’m trying to be like Jesus in all that I do and say. Except, I don’t know much about Jewish Culture and don’t speak Aramaic. So, not in do and not in say.

Eat drink and be Merry is a biblical principal. Ecclesiastes.. “For there is nothing better for man than to eat, drink, and be merry and enjoy the work of his hands“. Doesn’t he know this lie he speaks of is scripture.

Beans, berries, and sweet potatoes! Better advice than any apostle has ever given 🙌🏼

In regard to his comment about eating being an addiction, I used to binge as a young mother partially due to feeling overwhelmed with having 3 small children a year-and-a-half apart and feeling guilty for not being able to fulfill all of my church callings the way I felt I was supposed to along with not having time for family history and thinking if I could just read the scriptures more and pray more and fast more I would be able to. I also felt shame for overeating and thus not treating my body in a healthier way. Years later, after having oral surgery and not being able to eat much due to the pain it caused, I lost a LOT of weight. I felt that my not being able to eat much was the Lord's way of helping me learn to not live to eat. However, I lost so much weight that I had to go inpatient at an eating disorder facility when I thought I had finally learned to control my eating.

Doctrines of Devils sounds like the name of a band. 😈You guys could make a satirical commercial with the phrase "Think Celestial" 🙈 And it would be wild if you guys made Pray, Pay, Obey home decor in the style of Live, Laugh Love! Imagine getting a "Think Celestial" t-shirt and cheesy sign in your stocking.

47:10 RMN should take the long view, and realize that any doctrines he presented will be dismissed by future presidents of the corporate sole.

The Sun: Oh, no. Tanner had sex. 🌞💀 Edit: "And much of the world does not believe this, but public opinion is not the arbiter of truth." That is legitimately one of the cultiest things I have ever heard.

Tanner-I want a reading list from you!

My parents taught me to avoid meaningless buzz-words and catchphrases. However, my parents are still in the church, and somehow they liked this speech, even though I literally told them that they're using meaningless buzz-words. Clearly, there's a disconnect there.

i miss the old original church full of which craft and occult teachings.....

It’s so obvious how creepy Russel is. It sad that people worship him.

"gods plan takes the mystery out of life, and the uncertainty about our future." Actual lol, I had to rewind that to make sure I heard him right. What a pinch of self awareness would do...

thanks guys I like your funny analogies 👍🏻

At 1:10:20 when you talk about reading scriptures vs going outside for a walk: YES! I never know when I've done enough. It's exhausting! And a moment later when you talk about baseline anxiety: I was diagnosed with anxiety earlier this year. I scoffed at the diagnosis. As we dug into it, I discovered that I've always had anxiety. It's been there for all of my 44 years and I just thought it was normal. And you know what the main source is/ was? The church. I always have it in the back of my head -I need to go to the temple (more) -Did in pray enough? -Is something bad going to happen because I didn't ask God correctly to protect me? Did I accidentally say 'you' instead of 'thou'? Was he offended and planning to punish me? - What if one of my kids doesn't follow the covenant path and I'll lose them forever? -I have contacted my visiting teachees. If they leave the church, then I'm responsible for them losing their salvation and being separated from their families forever. And on and on.

This is the creepiest looking guy ever. I don’t want to even look at him much less spend eternity with him. No thanks

I'd buy a 'Pray, Pay, Obey' shirt. If one showed up as a merch item...

At minute 14 you guys talked about pain and how we should be able to sit with our own pain and struggles And how the concept of Jesus diminishes our own experiences. It really resonated with me when I was 26 I was a TBM and I lost my vision completely and i was super bitter because Jesus may have experience blindness in the Grove for all of an hour, but here I had to live with it for the rest of my life I almost felt like it was someone complaining about being hungry for an hour when there’s people all over the world that starved to death and trying to call that relatable. I wish I would’ve seen it then but it took me another 10 years to leave the church. Absolutely love your content.

23:35 : pure gold, I had to watch ‘Saw Movie God’ like 3 times, and then I had to get my partner, I say “You gotta see saw god”, they’re all “huh? You say ‘see saw’ god?” Me: Yeah, I say, see: ‘saw god” They: Uh , watcha you mean? Past, present, or future? Me: Well likely they are omnipresent…. Never mind, I’ll see (saw) my self oot

I’m not Mormon and never have been, but experienced plenty of binary, fearful, puritanical thinking in my regular Christian church and society growing up. It’s so helpful to hear you guys unpack these ideologies with nuance. Keep it up. 💛

@47:33 funnily enough i can indeed confirm that the ruling council of the Jehovah's Witnesses (aka the Governing Body) also explicitly use fear to control the rank & file. 😅

I’m debating if the men at the top are just dealing with mega levels of cognitive dissonance and think they’re doing the right thing or if they just don’t care and want money. I have a hard time seeing those seemingly jolly old men and thinking that not a single part of them believes what they say. They have to, somewhere deep down, think they’re helping people. But knowing what I know, and that they can’t be that high up without knowing the nasty history of Joseph Smith, I have to question that too sometimes. I want to give them the benefit of the doubt but…

small thing i noticed but he mentions that gods plan takes out the mystery of life so you know how to live, i love the mystery of life!!!! what's gonna happen! how am i going to change in the next 10 years? can't wait to find out! also, there is no way to take out the mystery of life and it's so telling that this human fear of the unknown is something he promises to fix

My Dad was born in 1900. His parents paid $10 a month in rent for a house in Delaware. 🇺🇸

Man, when the "old guy," starting talking my heart rate increased and i had flashbacks. I haven't heard the "prophet," speak in about 15 years. It was unpleasant to say the least.

23:35 FASTEST THUMBS UP SMASH EVER YOU TWO ARE AMAZING.

"think celestial" epitome of thought-stopping cliche and thought control as from the T in BITE

Tanner's sheep puns are not getting the attention they deserved

1:11:00 is the start of THE perfect short!! Beautifully said Tanner!!!

They use shame to have you need the church.

Didn't Kevin drown literally every human on the planet one time? Oh except for that Noah guy and his fam.

The Kevin test?! 🤣 I love it. Brilliant.

Tanner, serious question. How do you "feel through" the experience of the chicken your meal is based upon? (refer to your monologue from 29:56 on). I don't understand how a human can look at life through the eyes of a chicken. What is it like?

He sounds like a creep so does Oaks. I liked monson and Hinckley

Think celestial is the new church motto… I’m a PIMO member and I have gotten a sticker, wristband, and sweatshirt with Think Celestial on it lmao.

Just want to share how much this channel seems to be helping multiple walks of life. Never Mormon but was VERY Catholic, left the church, then married into the startings of a cult. It's been 5 years, and I'm still randomly unraveling insane doctrine "truths" from both groups that I fully devoted myself to. Plus trying to let go of a sense of shame and guilt whenever I relax and do something for myself. Yall help me put words to feelings, and I appreciate that

TSCC always make me think of the song "obey" by Bring me the horizon.

What we are supposed to understand as God's perfect plan truly doesn't make any sense. God's plan is perfect because God is perfect and Satan is the opposite of that. If God is all-powerful could he not just defeat Satan or whatever and save his own creations from suffering? How can the opposite of perfection be a part of a "perfect" plan? As someone who grew up in the Christian church, I have wondered about that from a young age but never allowed myself to actually examine those questions until I was a teenager/young adult. It's crazy how much they teach you to repress your own thoughts. Because any doubt you may have comes from Satan, and you need to shut him out and not listen to him. It's so insane how much they teach you to be afraid of your own mind.

1:17:48 I used to believe I wouldn't be able to find interested partners. That did get changed by having sex.

I would watch the mormon saw movie. 😂

I like to call myself an almost-Mo because I almost converted while I was coping with my parents not accepting me as queer (I was doing some kind of social 180 to attempt to be accepted again, even though my parents aren’t even very religious). Thank the goddesses I stumbled upon a three hour-long Mormon Stories interview while investigating the church before converting because it was such a moving and beautiful story of a couple leaving the church and brought up issues I hadn’t heard about. It lead me to take a more critical approach to my research, and eventually led me to decide not to convert and brought me into the ex-Mormon internet community, including your lovely channel. Since this experience, I have loved listening to podcasts and KZfaq videos by creators like you because it is so validating, not only to what I went through, but also just for life in general and how manipulation, coercion, and abuse is not okay. I also struggle with anxiety and ED, which almost lead me to being a highly scrupulous Mormon, I think, and I watched this talk before finding this video, and the “food addiction” thing even fucked with ME for a few days. I can only imagine how much that would fuck me up as a member and feel so sad for anyone going through that now. Thank you for what you do. It is really helping people like me to avoid controlling groups like this ❤️

I’m glad your referring to the cult by there full and proper name 😂. I don’t like when cult members say things like “wickedness, never was happiness”. I’ve got one for them: Cultness never was happiness! Being Cult free is wicked happiness!

Maybe Nelson refuses to die so he doesn't have to deal with all of that family he's eternally sealed to.

bro him quoting jesus is like. yeah it does give the energy that he does have sandwiches with this guy every thursday

Wow, still getting through this, perhaps you shouldn’t be so careful and gentle, cmon, tell it to me straight 😆😆😆haha

Rome nerd here. Saternalia was not the purge. It was more christmassy. There was gladiator games but even then most games nobody died.

"this whole thing could be an email"

When I bring this kind of manipulation up with active friends and family all of them have the same response: that’s not how it’s going to happen, Jesus is going to “make everything work out in the end”. It’s like they just have deaf ears when the leaders say things they can’t reconcile (like they won’t be with family in the afterlife). Deaf ears are necessary in order to survive the mormon church.

I dont think ace people were intimidated by the TK-smoothie threat.

Enjoying the KEVIN bashing. Just watched HOME ALONE. FREAKING PSYCHO.

He learned that hevnly dada will help keep his plastic surgeon on call..... no one can sustain weirdness for decades like a lds zombie. Hare. Hare Krishna. Krishna Krishna hare hare.

"Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die" Russel is a Vonnegut fan confirmed! 😂

President Nelson does make some few good points (what do people expect him to say)? He does try to say things (about a sensitive subject) in the most positive way possible. Interesting video and discussion. Okay god bless :)

Why didn't Rusty serve a mission?

Think cholesterol! ❤

Is it just me?! Why do you need to become an eternal "God"?

Tanner, I gotta say you're killing it today. I ROFL through your whole standup...I mean sit down routine. Opioids are definitely helping him more than Jesus get through this pain, as they should! Lol. Trust me, Jesus doesn't take away pain! Losing 1/3 of your kids isn't 'a perfect plan!' It's not a Fabulous plan! You're right! Chasing this psychopathic god, is such a good description! Monkeys! Birds! Trains!😂 you kermudgen!😂 Sam: 'the holy one of Israel is giving you the side eye!' 🤣 You guys are great. You get it! Thanking the chicken is so higher level! Your insights were so much better than Rusty's 'Thinking Celestial.'🔮 👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👩‍🌾👨

30:08 I think it’s great to make that connection, but ultimately giving thanks to the animal who died doesn’t have an impact for anyone but yourself, because that animal didn’t choose to die for you, they were forced. I’m not trying to be mean, I understand what it’s like to struggle with disordered eating & veganism, I’ve struggled w/ bulimia since high school. But I think it’s something we all need to think about Edit: I really wanted to emphasize I’m not trying to be mean! I love your guys’ channel but I just wanted to say that

Winnie the Pooh and Paddington Bear are destined for the celestial kingdom.

Sam is too good at expressing her psychopathic Saw God love. "I LOVE YOU SO FUCKING MUCH"

0:30 Kimmtons!! Kitty!!!

The moment when you talked about hypnosis 🤯