How one tiny detail ruins a classic Dalek story

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2 ай бұрын

Planet of the Daleks is a fantastic Dalek story from the Jon Pertwee era, but it is mired by a glaring problem with one of its Dalek props - a problem that a future Special Edition release should really fix.
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@paladinboyd1228 Ай бұрын

I always assumed it was so angry at the setbacks it's dome lights could not keep up.

@kiltedjohn1000 Ай бұрын

Good answer

@dustin_4501 Ай бұрын

Let alone his dome...

@sorvad99 Ай бұрын

To be honest I never even noticed, I just enjoy the story despite the limitations of the props during that time.

@dalekbumps Ай бұрын

I can easily overlook every other production issue with the story, but not this one. It seems like it could have been easily fixed with a retake or by checking the wiring of the prop

@theomnicontentchannel2203 Ай бұрын

@@dalekbumps TBH, this is the same TV production that (apparently) never bothered to write down the frequencies for the ring modulators, with the result being that the Dalek vocal effects varied more than the Doctor's regenerations.

@MatthewCaunsfield Ай бұрын

A torch for the eyestalk is certainly...a choice!

@theentity5201 Ай бұрын

Definately inspired the NSD eyeball/light combo

@cronchyskull Ай бұрын

It's so he can read in bed at night.

@robertmcghintheorca49 Ай бұрын

Something else that should be addressed. I think the torch on the eyestalk was supposed to be encased with a ball to make it less obvious that it was a torch, but wouldn't you know it, the ball was lost with all the parts swapping and theft that whether on behind the scenes.

@justanaveragegamer8735 Ай бұрын

Honestly i never noticed this till now but now I can’t unnotice it

@android65mar Ай бұрын

When I watched this back when I was 8 years old I didn't notice the wobbly head dome and mis-matched lights as much. But once you see it you can't unsee it..

@Lumibear. Ай бұрын

My understanding is there were multiple issues leading to this situation, one was that the first Dalek borrowed from Terry Nation got stolen meaning another had to be hastily prepped, there were only two experienced Dalek operators available so a new guy was inside it, and the film crew was too pushed for time to do reshoots.

@NothingHereButMe Ай бұрын

I always found the torch-eye distracting. If they'd stuck a gel over it then I think it would have worked better

@britanimations2002 Ай бұрын

As if dome lights never matching up with the audio isn't a major theme of classic who, hell even in new who it's been known

@dalekbumps Ай бұрын

That's true, but nowhere is it more egregious and off-putting than in this story

@Stansman63 Ай бұрын

My biggest problem with the Supreme is the too obvious torch for an eye.

@pwalt9716 Ай бұрын

While I also find the out-of-sync lights and light-up eyestalk irritating, the Dome itself was another prop issue that stood out to me. When the Dalek Supreme turns to look the dome seems to wobble and giggle.

@Professor_Toothpaste Ай бұрын

I've always noticed it, I just thought either the dialog was delayed or just the operator didn't activate the lights on time.

@MuffinDoughnut Ай бұрын

I also think that we should have seen more of the dalek since it only appeared in one part we should have known more about the dalek like its history what it’s done and its relationship with the emperor before he was destroyed but apart from the flaws of the supreme dalek planet of the daleks is one of my favourite classic who episodes.

@reeceemms1643 Ай бұрын

I did notice when I watch planet of the Daleks in my Dalek binge that the dome lights and eye piece do not sync with the dialogue. But I didn't take much interest in it.

@Wilhelm_Vennable Ай бұрын

Kinda similar to how in the Peter Cushing "and the daleks" movie all the daleks dome light looks light alarms going off so it's hard to tell which dalek speaks

@HazarTulum Ай бұрын

Yeah, first time watching Planet it really was jarring seeing the Supreme's lights not match up at all to the dialogue

@cameronmonaghan6883 Ай бұрын

Bring back the Supreme Dalek, The same Dalek, as the main villain of a whole season.

@lavaarrow7003 Ай бұрын

As great as I find this episode, I agree. I love the Supreme and always will but I fully agree. I also thought that the eye stalk was kinda bad too, I like the idea and this could have been executed well but it just looks weird without an actual eye on it.

@FactionParadox2090 Ай бұрын

I always put the light syncing down to faulty electronics as a Watsonian reason while the Doylist would be it's rage is causing issues.

@plantainsame2049 Ай бұрын

I think you get those Things confused Watson was a character, while doyle was The writer

@FactionParadox2090 Ай бұрын

@@plantainsame2049 Mistype.

@njfox3305 Ай бұрын

An animated version could fix this issue and more but it'll have to wait till other lost media are rebuilt and recovered.

@tony4189 Ай бұрын

Ive always thought the flashing eye was a big mistake. Its already fairly obvious its just a torch at the end of the eye rod. Lighting it up draws more attention to it.

@matthewcollins7358 Ай бұрын

I think I recall watching the episode with the production subtitles on and it said the operator was new and hadn’t had much rehearsal time.

@deaderontheinside6871 Ай бұрын

his colour scheme would look amazing on a revised time war model. or the time war supreme itself. I love me a colourful dalek.

@tim04 Ай бұрын

This would be a good story of daleks recovering this highly devious and effective super on a story that routes it to find the modern empire dalek.

@ekij133 Ай бұрын

The unsynched lights are annoying, as is the tendency for the dome to ride up at the left hand side when it rotates. It's interesting that things that I would fix before doing a silly little KZfaq video were left in for the production of the original series. They really were pushed for time and budget when they made those episodes.

@silverdaleks1 Ай бұрын

Another thing that bugged me about the dalek supreme or rather the figure release of it is while the actual prop had no mesh under shoulder panels and thiner gaps between said panels, the figure was given mesh under the panels and the gaps between were wider like a standard dalek. Side note it also bugged me how the Blu-ray of planet of the daleks didn't add beam FX to the daleks or Thal guns like in the remastred version of Day of the daleks

@abgy237 Ай бұрын

I was actually going to guess it was going to be about the two Daleks in the lab where the bacteria has been released. I would have thought it would be a more "Dalek" thing to actually release the bacteria and screw Spiridon over!

@GreyTheFloydianSergal Ай бұрын

I kind of take it as a quirk of the story. I adore Planet of the Daleks, one of my favourites. It acts like a Daleks' Greatest Hits & I think it's a great example of seventies sci-fi

@Browncoat7969 Ай бұрын

I can just imagine it's just piss off all the time 😂

@AnubisX1 Ай бұрын

For me it was the jaring movement of the supreme dome that got me. From what I have learnt the CGI was originally never meant to be done and wasn't budget. The artist I believe did it of his own volition and was included. That's what I've heard. Yeah would it have been expensive to fix the dome and eye light?

@diamondaxe4133 Ай бұрын

It needs to return

@CHINZIG_UK Ай бұрын

I don't think the lights were out of sync, the dalek was just chewing Wrigley's gum and it's voice modulator picked up the chewing 😏

@cybernovadw5124 Ай бұрын

I actually attempted to try and fix the dome lights myself, but then I'd have the issue of a glow around the eye emminating from nothing which I couldn't fix, and flares on the camera also emminating from nothing which I also couldn't fix, so its an issue that editing can be very tricky to try and fix.

@davidmcdonnell2598 Ай бұрын

I always liked the gold dalek we saw in Day of the Daleks and Frontier in Space more so than this Supreme Dalek, which isn't bad but it would be better if they brought back the gold dalek.

@kiltedjohn1000 Ай бұрын

The supreme was one badass dalek

@dalekray9232 Ай бұрын

See up until this video i has never noticed that problem with the supreme dalek some how haha but none the less this is still one of my all time fav dalek storys and my fav dalek supreme design fantastic vid all together though bumps

@crimsong8068 Ай бұрын

I agree the mismatched lights are annoying, but not enough to ruin the story. I think the Supreme would have also benefited from having a distinct voice, maybe let Pertwee or a guest star have a go at the modulator.

@MammothChats Ай бұрын

I still love it 🥰

@thewhoview Ай бұрын

Yeah I also thought that they would fix this issue with CGI for the season 10 box set, hopefully they will fix it in the future. It does pain me to say this but I can't see doctor who getting another new physical releases after they've completed the Blu Ray collection set's, maybe more like streaming exclusive. Unfortunately physical media is dying 😭 Great vid though 👍😉

@JakeandElwood1980 Ай бұрын

Looks like the original movie daleks

@TheToggster Ай бұрын

The dome lights not matching the dialogue is a rather common issue, but the reason it's so apparent in this story, is because the Dalek voices aren't unique enough to tell which one is speaking without looking at the dome lights.

@thomasjohnson8391 Ай бұрын

Still have the figure

@mh6944 Ай бұрын

Off topic, but what do you think of the theory that Lindy Pepper-Beam and the survivors of Finetime were the ancestors of the Kaleds/Thals and therefore the Daleks?

@dalekbumps Ай бұрын

It's an interesting idea, but I reckon Lindy and the others died not long after they left Finetime, there's no way they would be able to survive in the wild on their own

@mh6944 Ай бұрын

@@dalekbumps Fair point. Alternatively the Finetimers were sent away by ultra-wealthy Kaleds/Thals (probably the latter given Lindy's appearance) very early on in the Thousand Year War to preserve some level of purity. The seeming population wipeout of the Homeworld (Skaro) was one of many regressions of technology ("At this rate they're going to finish off with bows and arrows.") that happened throughout the course of the War, which is why the AI couldn't detect any life forms. It doesn't fit exactly, but it suits the racial supremacist ideologies of the Finetimers, as well as Lindy's use of Dalek-like phrases ("You Will Obey Me!")

@ksay7649 Ай бұрын

Terry Nations Daleks has been made for a stage play and borrowed for the second movie... i think

@dustin_4501 Ай бұрын

You're right they were made for a stage play, after the movie production ended they were returned to the Theater company, who sold them to Nation.

@cronchyskull Ай бұрын

It would be so funny if every time his eye flashes it whites out his sight, and he can't see a gosh-darn thing 🤣

@timecontroller8800 Ай бұрын

It really doesn’t bother me I love the supreme dalek, I think it’s just a nit pic the only time it bothers me is when the dalek supreme and his aids are talking when the ice comes up other than that it’s fine

@falke_blade9341 Ай бұрын

always my fav dalek

@frippp66 Ай бұрын

i've never noticed it

@DrBagPhD Ай бұрын

To be fair the lights not being synced is a fairly common problem in the classic series but yeah, it's extremely bad here

@GrilloTheFlightless Ай бұрын

You’re right. I think it just stands out more because the torch and jam jars really draw attention to it. But there are plenty of examples of where the Dalek operator is out of sync with the voice actors.

@grahamturner1290 Ай бұрын

🐙

@AshanBhatoa Ай бұрын

This honestly may be a weird question Dalek Bumps, however are you aware of any sources for high resolution Doctor Who images, such as Dalek ones?

@TheNickofTime Ай бұрын

It’s definitely an irritation, but far from the biggest hamper on my enjoyment. For me, it’s the lazy writing. Not to say it’s bad, if taken in isolation it’s incredibly enjoyable to watch, it just doesn’t have an original bone in its body and is perhaps the worst example of Terry Nation’s complacency in his Dalek stories. I just can’t get through it without being taken out of it over and over again with reminders that I’m just seeing a rehash of ideas that worked before, thrown together in a soulless collage with very little identity of its own. But seriously, I do still like the story.

@GrilloTheFlightless Ай бұрын

Very true. Dr Who companion gets lost in a forest and is given medical aid from a creature in a funny cape. Thals wandering around a forest with Daleks in an underground base. Peaceful Thals with one unusually hot headed Thal and one who questions his own bravery. Climbing inside a Dalek shell to aid an escape. Pushing a Dalek onto or into something that stops it from working. The Doctor being sick and out of it for some of the story. Daleks plan to wipe out everyone else on the planet with a powerful weapon. It’s all really familia stuff. All it needed was a character called Tarrant and it would have been the perfect Terry Nation story! He was great at coming up with initial ideas and concepts, but his writing wasn’t great. It’s a poorly kept secret than his stories had to be heavily licked into shape by scripts editors, but there was a clause in his contract that they could only use the Daleks if he wrote the script or approved an alternative script writer, so they were lumbered with it.

@AwdryFan1997 Ай бұрын

Planet of the Daleks is rough, especially right after Frontier in Space. It has its moments, but it's honestly not that much better than Death to the Daleks. I don't hate the Supreme design, but I was surprised when you said it was a fan favorite. The lights were distracting, sure, but what was worse imo was the wobble of it's cap/dome/head/whatever as it swiveled around. The lights wouldn't be as much of a problem if Michael Wisher wasn't voicing every Dalek (Roy Skelton played one of the invisible guys, but I don't remember if he voiced any Daleks in this one). I'd vote to leave it as it is, as a historical reminder of how not to do Daleks. Had a good cast, though, including Bernard Horsfall as one of the Thals.

@JSP_1147 Ай бұрын

I am gonna be honest, I am not a fan of this story at all.

@dalekbumps Ай бұрын

It's always been a personal favourite of mine, I understand why people dislike it as it is without a doubt: - at least two parts too long - riddled with production issues - stocked with generic, similar-looking and (for the most part) interchangeable Thal characters - afflicted with the Terry Nation trope of "let's have the characters attack a base, retreat, attack the base again, get captured, escape, attack the base again, retreat again..." - basically a soft-remake of 'The Daleks' But regardless of all of that, I still enjoy watching this story, it's my go-to Doctor Who story to have on in the background and it's got some really great Third Doctor moments, like his conversation about bravery with the Thal in the prison cell, his reaction to thinking Jo is dead, and the part where he manhandles a Dalek into an ice volcano It's got problems and I don't blame people for ranking it quite low overall but I like it, in fact I really like all the Pertwee Dalek stories

@JSP_1147 Ай бұрын

@dalekbumps for Pertwee Dalek stories I've got to say death to the daleks is thr best of the 3. Its a brilliant story. But if you count frontier and space then it's Frontier in Space since that's my favourite Pertwee Episode.