"I shouldn't have been such a diiiiiiiick" he yells as he falls down the shaft

All Jedi and Sith: Makes holocrons for knowledge Sidious: Writes a book

“Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design.” Are you sure about that?

Banes doctrine was almost wholesome in a disfunctional way. A master, while building a power structure and studying the dark side, would also actually teach his ways, techniques and tricks to the apprentice. Once the latter learned everything that the master knew, it would replace it. This stimulates the master to keep learning and becoming more powerful instead of complacent and establish a brutal meritocracy. Still, I can't help but think that a defeated master would, in its last moments, feel pride towards the former apprentice.

“I guess I should’ve told Maul to kill Obi Wan instead”

And he blamed himself for telling Vader he has a son since he tells everyone.

Well if we go back and see all the times he abused vader, in both legends and "cannon" yeah no wonder he threw you down a pit.

Vader: *Kills Palpatine* Palpatine: A surprise to be sure, but a welcome on- Wait a minute VADER NO!!!”

Sidious's corruption was pretty much guilt-traping. -Tempt someone and put them in a position that whatever they care about is at risk. -Make they commit a mistake so bad over the previous point that they believe they can not be ever forgived by others, so that they will embrace the darkness. He was not proven wrong by Vader's redemption, he just failed to see that with Luke around now Vader had someone willing to forgive and love him despite his decades of mistakes and bloodshed, someone close to him by default due to blood ties, which allowed him to break free from the cycle of regret and hate that Palpatine put him.

The emperors overconfidence was his undoing, his faith in Vader's intense anger and hate thus being loyal to the darkside was his undoing, he just couldn't see Vader's conflict of emotions during this time whereas Luke Skywalker could, Luke's faith in his father was proven true, but ultimately palpatine could not see the truth of the monster he created and it led to his downfall...

The one mistake that Palpatine had was shocking Luke with Force Lighting

Luke: You won’t turn me. I am a Jedi like my Father before me. Palps: So you don’t like sand either 😂

Well if he didn't try to kill my son then I wouldn't have tossed him down

I love that Legends has Palpatine writing an autobiography after his own death. On a more serious note, it reveals a lot about Sidious' ability to honestly critique his own methods and a surprising maturity in accepting that Vader's betrayal was entirely Sidious' own fault. No rationalization, no attempts to shift the blame. Just an honest admission that he messed up. As a hypothetical, I wonder if Sidious was magically able to redo Anakin's manipulation from the beginning what he would do differently. It is clear he would still try to manipulate Anakin into betraying the Jedi, so perhaps something along the lines of how he trained Vader, or perhaps endeavoring to prevent Anakin's defeat on Mustafar somehow? Perhaps sending some other forces along with the newly turned Darth Vader as support? Interesting stuff to consider.

It only adds to Sidious character that he can admit to his missteps...he knew Vader had light in him and though he tried to snuff it out, he eventually just ignored which is why Luke turned him.

The very thing Sidious used to turn Anakin to the dark side (Padme), ended up being the very thing responsible for turning Vader back to the light (Luke). Sidious greatly underestimated the power of the light side of the force.

I like how you referred to Bane's thoughts on the relationship between a Sith Master and Apprentice. Good tie in.

"We're still cool, this is just a bit right?" -Palpatine atop Vader's shoulders moments before being thrown into a reactor

So lust for Unlimited Poweeeeeer resulted in the down fall of Palpatine..

Vader lifting palpatine Palpatine: wait Vader what are doing !!!! Vader: bringing balance to the force Palpatine: oh ok I’ll be fine I got clones cause I’m immortal Vader: .......

I think the biggest problem is that Ankakin/Vader was not a good apprentice in the first place. He could be corrupted via his fears and also might have ambitions but the main problems is, he alwas loves his mother and Padme, never really stop that feeling. He grief might feed dark side but the feeling itself is like an achnor for the light side. To be a true Sith something have to be free from personal attachments and emotions towards others (including their family). Vader was able to push it back for a while but be knowing Luke is his Son, it hits him even harder then before. It like a tiny lttle backdoor, but throw it you can hit the core.

I never really considered how like Frankenstien Sidious was; in creating their monster each creator ensures their own downfall. And Vader certainly did not bid thee create me my master 😄 xx

Palpatine:You turned him against me! Luke:You did that yourself

2:05 *record screech* It’s your boy, Palpatine. I bet you’re wondering how I ended up here.

One of Palpatine's flaws is the failure to acknowledge that there are fates worse than death. In the end some would rather embrace death at the hands of those they betrayed than walk further down the path of that betrayal. For some it is better to die in the light than live in the dark.

Vader: My master you must teach me the ways of the dark side. Palpatine: No, I have better things to do like finding a way to live forever and being arrogant. Vader: you know I think it would be better to be with the light side and not let you kill my son because it seems like your not going to help me Palpatine: 😥

Palpatine: “hahaha I tortured Vader for decades and now I’m gonna get away with it-“ Vader: “oh hell no.” **YEET**

Didn't Bane also say while thinking about what he wanted from an apprentice of his own that Sith apprentices should never have previously been Jedi, that they are forever tainted by the light.

Love this for no other reason than it ignores the sequel trilogy.

I remember when I was young, I felt bad for Palpatine's death being betrayed by his 'friend' (what I have thought was young). Don't judge me. Lol 😂

Vader was neither Sith nor Jedi. His true loyalty was to family. Both events that caused him to 'turn' one way and then back, were when he felt the life of his wife and then his son were at risk.

And now through Sidious we see the rule of two's fatal weakness Bane's rule of two assumes that the master has no legit desire to stay alive Sidious never had any intention of ever dieing so Vader could replace him heck Sidious's own master didn't intend for his apprentice to replace him at all but Sidious's intention was never for Vader to eventually replace him but just for him to have a powerful servant under the guise of being a apprentice

With his deep contemplation of situations. I doubt that he would lose to Rey especially they way he did. He's too smart to lose in such a underwhelming way and would learn from his mistakes.

Congratulations are in order for you reaching 300K+ Subscribers. And I’m almost at 6.5K+. Great work SWRC!

I remember I subscribed to this channel 5 years ago man, I was so PUMPED for Star Wars back then, especially after Force Awakens. The possibilities were maddening and the lore from legends proved to be so much richer than anticipated. Then The Last Jedi happened and I got lost, I didn't even hate the movie by any means but the way all those narrative threads were closed midway through the trilogy just pulled me out of Star Wars for a while. Can't say Rise of Skywalker helped me at all, but man, I missed this.

Discovered this channel very recently. I love these videos and the context they provide! Makes the movies and universe feel so much more believable

Whether it was Legends or Canon, the weird relationship between the Emperor and Vader always caught ne up. In many ways, it felt like he didn't need Vader, and just kept him around for lols. Sometimes he'd send him after Jedi, while other times he'd chastise Vader for his obsession. He wanted Vader's attention on point; there were things they needed to do in the Empire, but then sometimes Darth Vader's place in it seemed nebulous. He had the Chosen One, but then didn't seem to have a use for him. Perhaps together they were meant to unlock true secrets to the Dark Side, but then they couldn't deliver, and Palpatine did keep an eye out for replacements, in some continuity, but never really tried to replace Vader. Of course, some of Palpatine's own failures can possibly be attributed to his own lineage; Darth Tenebrous and Darth Plagueius each also had a corrupt view of the Rule of Two, and where they saw the future going. The Bith Sith qasnt the mightiest Sith Lord, but he wad powerful and capable; he used his precognitive ability to literally create his own apprentice...and then didn't really teach him much, because he already seemed to have planned to daisy chain his conscience from one body to the next, in an effort to acquire that of the Chosen One. Plagueius also seemed wrong. At first, I think he did teach, though Sidious was stringing along a literal Sith Lord, even then, but then he almost died, and disappeared into seclusion. Muchvlike Tenebrous, Plagueius wanted to live forever, and so focused on himself. He stopped seeing Palpatine as his future replacement, or even a threat, and actually started to trust the sociopathic human he had already pushed to kill those close to him. Well before the Emperor, it would look like the fate of Bane's lineage was already skewed, and Palpatine just continued that yo its conclusion; the "conclusion" of the Sith Order.

Turns out Anakin was too old to join the Sith as well.

Palpatine's postmortum analysis on the situation is wrong. He can take all the blame he wants, but the fact of the matter is that this outcome was unavoidable because everything that transpired throughout Anakin's life was *the will of the Force acting through him as it's vessel.* Sidious can reflect on his strategic missteps for all eternity, but just like his former master Darth Plagueis warned him decades earlier, if their grand plans for galactic domination were to indeed one day become a reality, they were in danger of locking their fates onto a path with an inescapable fate at the end because it will be the Force itself who retaliates to keep them in check. While Plagueis became more and more unnerved by this possibility later in life, Sidious had always dismissed such notions as paranoia, arrogantly considering the Force nothing more than a tool to be manipulated and controlled through the sheer force of his will alone. Because of this flawed perspective, Sidious was always going to see his master plans go unrealized, and would ultimately be defeated as result. The mere ability to interact with the Force as a Force-sensitive doesn't exclude you from ever being subject to the Force's own sentient will. Remember, the Force is a living entity as well-- and it's will is of far greater power than anything a Sith lord can conjure. Sidious forgot that he was just another Force user in a galaxy overrun with them. Someone whose only 'power' comes from channeling the tiny, discarded fractions of endless power that the Force emanates into all of existence. It's immense power crackling like into creation like moisture off a river that Force users harness. Confusing your own place in the metaphysical ecosystem is certain failure. It's the equivalent of humanity assuming that just because we can collect and transmit energy with solar panels here on the Earth's surface, this means we've achieved domination over the sun itself. That's the equivalent miscalculation that Sidious made when assuming his ability to manipulate portions of the Force gave him total mastery over it. A fitting end, as ambition and arrogance have been the demise of villains for time immemorial.

Love or hate him, at least Palpatine owns up to his mistakes.

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There is some wisdom to be found in the ancient sith.

Thanks again for sharing your hard work

I think that Sidious's ultimate failure was unavoidable - as a Sith, he was emotional. He felt pride in keeping 'the Chosen One' not only as his apprentice, but also as somebody weaker than himself and unable to reach him. Logically, Vader's relationship with Sidious was broken from the moment he was put in the suit, as even the guilty, broken and confused man that Vader was could tell that Sidious only made life worse for him - and not 'just' worse, but a living hell. Anakin laughed all the time, while Vader never did. In order to remedy Vader's great dejection even a little and make him appreciate their master-student relationship, Sidious would have to actually deliver on his promise of training him and allowing him to grasp real power. But Palps knew that this would put Vader into striking range of him, and to avoid that taught him very little - thus giving Vader no reason at all to feel any affection or true, personal respect for him. In short: Palpatine had a choice between a Vader who hated his guts but couldn't touch him, and a Vader who might have respected him but would most likely murder him and continue the Rule of Two, and he chose the former.

Great video man your my favorite KZfaqr

Great video!

An apprentice can eventually overcome a master, but as once stated: “A master without an apprentice is a master of nothing.”

Awesome Video!!!!

Palpatine died in return of the jedi Disney laughs in squeaky mouse voice.

This reminds of the end of Robot Chicken Star Wars where Palpatine talks about how much he screwed up in his life

For another reason to listen to Bane! So Darth Vader turning on his master is just like Frankenstein’s monster turning on Doctor Frankenstein.

Right.... because not taking sudden, decisive action is what everyone thinks of when they imagine Darth Vader.

Congratulations on 300k subs , Admiral

This is an excellent distillation of the heart of the story.

Sidious: "I knew I shouldn't have underestimated the High ground"

In Legends, Palpatine was inheritor to a breakdown in the Banite Sith Order that began with Plaguis's own master, Tenebrous. Tenebrous broke the Rule of Two by training a second secret apprentice, and sought a way to possess the body of the future born Chosen One. To this end, Darth Tenebrous instilled a great fear of death in his apprentice Darth Plaguis, thus starting Plaguis's (and thus Palpatine's) obsession with immortality. When Palpatine created the Rule of One, it was the end of the Sith.

Bro, I LOVE this!

Love it!!

It is interesting for him to be so wise to have the self reflection, to think and feel this way. Not to be blinded by hate or pride or hubris, even in the face of betrayal. Sidious really is a fascinating character.

Darth Bane was truly wise beyond his years

If you're a teacher(Sidious) and your student(Vader) does poorly but tries hard it isn't the students fault.

Thanks reading club I enjoyed the vid

Yes , Luke played a part of turning Vader to the light . But . Darth Sidious made a big mistake . Sidious made it that Vader had lost EVERYTHING except for him , then mentally and physically tortured Vader for two decades ... Which made Vader HATE him . When Vader realized that he hadn't lost EVERYTHING , he still had two children. Then he made the decision to kill his true enemy , the man who destroyed his life and killed Padme..

"Some people claim that there's a jedi to blame, but I know. It's my own damn fault." -Sheev Mellencamp

Fascinating

The fact that Bane's Sith Order lasted so long is a damn miracle.

"The 'Great' Darth Vader was a sick man in an iron mask."

Palpatine didn't realize that Vader still loved Padme and his children. Luke and Leia were the only living connections he had to his wife, thought that in his rage he had killed them all. Then when Luke was revealed to have been the surviving son of Anakin Skywalker and Padme Amidala, that familial connection was the conflict Luke saw in his father.

Seeing him fall down that shaft tickles me Jedi can you use the force to make other things float but not themselves

Lol “Sidious having an epiphany in his final moments as he traveled down the elevator shaft” Sidious as he falls: And now, the end is near And so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll make it clear I'll state my case, of which I am certain I've lived a life that's full I traveled each and every highway And more, much more I did it, I did it my way

I agree 100%. So this is legend I think we see it if we watch the movies.

Palpy was too lazy to even see that Vader would turn back to the Light side, becoming Anakin Skywalker again!!

Love your videos, man. Probably my favorite Star Wars KZfaqr out there. However, the title is pretty misleading. Sidious never stated outright that he blamed himself for Vader's redemption. In fact Sidious has stated numerous times that he believed Vader could never be redeemed and was a broken man. Even after Sidious resurrected himself through clone bodies in Dark Empire, he told Luke the same thing.

Bane started as a Sith Lord looking like an icp juggalo and ended looking like a brain coral.

Palpatine was like Orichomaru from Naruto. He could transfer his soul into other people or bodies.

Makes sense.

WOW actually correct!

All this has happened before, and it will happen again. Such is the fate of those who follow either the light or the dark, for one cannot exist without the other.

One interesting aspect of palpatine is the mutual hatred he and his father had for one another and how this ended in murder. Ultimately his downfall was that he just didn't understand the strength of love that can exist between father and son

SUGGESTION: Put the stories together in time line for longer run

There should be a video about sidious’s reaction while being thrown down

First. I love this channel

It makes actually more sense that books would be the majority of force knowledge. When I read novels , all I ever noticed is that for every one holocron thousands of books exist. Being a big time novel reader back in the nineties when all these books where new. I enjoyed a golden age of reading.

So In the Palpatine finally showed kindness to Vader?

Ironically, it was Sidious who betrayed Sith doctrine by refusing to do what a Sith master is supposed to do; train an apprentice to replace him. Vader on the hand did exactly what a Sith apprentice is supposed to do; killing his master. Sidious while falling down the shaft: “TRAITOR!” Vader: “No. You (gasp) are the (wheeze) traitor!”

Aww! I think in his own twisted evil way, he always loved Vader!

Noted

Please do a "What If" video on if sideous actually trained Vader as best as he could in the darkside

3:50 so then it's like a SW version of Frankenstein? XD

Ya Vader was just a weapon lile a lightsaber for Palpatine. Thus is why Palpatine never had a Lightsaber facing Luke

short answer Vader" You tried to murder my Force baby" so imma throw down a shaft.

10:30 Also for read more of How to your Sith Apprentice .

Well, bright side, he didn't have long to regret that mistake!

2:10 The Plutonian?

"W-we're still cool, right? This is a bit?"

I'm sure he covered it when he was writing his memoirs while hanging from that crane an all

What about Sidious' "fourth quarter conversion to the light side", as shown in the now canon "Robot Chicken" episode?

Now I'm imagining sidious giving Vader the 'daddy's little monster' from the suicide squad movie

Like master like apprentice

6:05 i thought it was when he killed dooku