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6:57 "If Palpatine died, the Senate would've doubtlessly have caved to the Confederacy's demands." How could the Senate do that if the Senate just died?

“The separatists bullied the Republic. Genocide was one of those tactics.” Ah yes my bullies also use mass genocide of planets to tease and get to me

Nah fam. Plot armor failed them. The republic got most of the plot armor.

Who is this, what’s your Geetsly’s operating number???

I get the feeling the war would have ended fairly soon. Not because of Separatist overall victory, but because we know that there were peace talks, and it seemed they were serious and could have brought a fairly peaceful resolution. If not for the interference of Dooku/The Sith (sending droids to sabotage Coruscant), the war very well may have been resolved and the Separatists could have gone on their way without further conflict.

A possible scenerio… as Padme fires on Dooku's ship when he's leaving Geonosis (after he "disarmed" Anakin and beat Obi-Wan) she hits something vital. Then when Dooku is coming in to dock at the hangar that Palpatine is waiting at the retro's fail to fire, and with no breaking thrusters his ship crashes at speed and _kills them both._ The narrative would be that Dooku kamikazed Palpatine, and Palpatine would die a martyr… mourned by the Republic, the Jedi, and even by Padme - who would blame herself for not shooting down Dooku when she had the chance and saving the good Senator Palpatine.

Is it just me or did I randomly find him and can’t stop watching

Fellow defective clone, the Kaminoans are onto you. Be cautious, you might become chow.

I'm just glad in Geetsly they recognize the CIS would've been a monstruos threat without the Senate pulling the strings. We all love the clones, but too many among us are as blind as the Jedi in this era regarding the clankas. You need a good couple to have a great tango

2:09 knowing how the Umbarans fought, seeing one command a droid army just makes this 10x more badass.

I like your voice, Mr.Temporary Geetsly’s. If I’m not wrong, you are the normal Geetsly’s brother?

“It all made sense. I always knew that they were able to field more than they did, they were actually capable of fielding droids in larger numbers with better hardware. It’s what the numbers showed, given the data on their industrial capability. One of my fondest memories, although looking back at it now, it was ironic, given the way my brothers cheered when every battle droid in the droid army ground to a screeching halt that one day.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion

If Dooku betrayed Palpatine when he got his separatist army I can see palpatine going 'empire' even faster by recruiting volunteers and hiring soldiers. Also he would have unleashed Tarkin to commence a terror campaign against Separatist Civilian worlds

The Confederacy lost because they couldn't utilize the über SWICK BĒ🅰️TZ of DJ Tambor and the Techno Union.

You know, considering how many times I've heard of Operations Durge's Lance, I'd love to see a full video on it by the great Geetsly.

The Confederacy would’ve overrun the Galactic Republic’s in the Second Year of the Clone War. Keep in mind that the Confederacy out numbered the Clones one thousand to one, and no matter how good the Clones were trained they were still too small to content against the Driod Army. The Confederacy has several advantages against the Republic early in the war, and no matter how many Jedi or Clones were sent to battles there still wouldn’t have enough to defend the Republic space, but the truth was that the Sith played both sides to its advantage in their revenge against the Jedi and Republic.

"the separatists would have blasted the jedi temple" malgus: hey, I've heard this one

if the war wasnt rigged from the start there probably wouldnt have been one to begin with. the CIS would have been allowed to secede, no one would have attempted to kill padme, and no one would have been held captive at the arena on geonosis.

*You missed two more important nerfs* that Siddious did. CIS special projects and superdroids, and leaking Intel about some suprise attacks. The CIS had some vastly superior Droids to the B1, that never got put into widespread production due to Dooku's control. And the B1 didn't get software upgrades that could have made it smarter. In fact Commando Droids were used as a fine tuning method to maintain the stalemate. GAR get too far ahead, increase Commando Droid production, CIS winning, cut it back. And then there were the prototypes that kept getting destroyed (along with the faculties and plans) because the Jedi were tipped off about them. A couple of them were war winners just by themselves… And the second nerf was there were a few times where CIS knockout blows were sabotaged by Siddious, most obviously being attacks on Kamino. That would have been it if they had succeeded, and then there was also the attack on the listening outpost on Rishi station, that would have also allowed the CIS to take out Kamino.

They forgot to use me on a regular basis. That being said, the Republic also forgot regularly, but they had Kenobi to remind them.

Using a different voice to disguise your identity… just like Siddious did. Is this *Darth Geetsly?*

Can you imagine, advanced droids? If this war kept going.

I’m more curious on what would happen after. Would the confederacy completely replace the republic with a more decentralized galaxy, would the core worlds have been subjugated and and seen as play things, would dookus corporatist ideas of incorporating the companies into the CIS government have been better at realing them in instead as opposed to back firing and giving them too much power? Would this create a better uh.. geopolitical stability for the galaxy as a whole? Would grevious allow these tycoons to keep there power now that he controlled most of the military? Would dooku have been a good peacetime leader? Or would the CIS seek a continues trade with the republic now thats its independent, similar to the US with Britain? Would each planet been given more autonomy or would the CIS just take away more rights because of its militarist corporate nature? Would dooku be the one to enforce a more permanent structure? Or was the separatist council just seen as a tool for him to win the war? Would dooku give up his emergency powers after the war? And if so who would become the new Chief of State? Would it be Mina Bonteri or someone more sinister?

You never fail me on these clone wars vids man keep it coming🤧

How would grevous have gotten to coroscant without palpatines routes through the core?

this is what happens when one sides gains a monopoly on plot armor..... we need to break up these monopolies and seize the memes of production

I think the super tactical droids would of been implemented sooner since there would be more experienced CIS military leaders alive probably being a major pain in the ass in the long run

Sev’rance Tann and Merai are such underrated characters in my opinion, one was one of few honorable Separatist leaders and the other was an excellent strategist at the start of the Clone Wars.

It’s so nice to have a Star Wars youtuber who doesn’t constantly dump on the cis

There were multiple technologies/weapons created by the CIS during the war that would have led to an easy, quick and complete win for the CIS.... unfortunately Palpatine made sure the republic found out about them and destroyed them before they could be built or used

Would love a vidéo breakdown on ”unknown” CIS officers... I never heard of this Lady Chiss before...

Remember that Sheevie was also handicapping the clone army by spreading them out so far that they couldn't possibly have outnumbered even a small droid contingent.

The republic in this case would more than likely turned to conscription rather than rely just on the clones, which i bet would have drastically improved their odds here

what i found odd what how no one on either side really put the pieces together about he war being staged.

In the clone wars you see many senators wishing for peace as the war goes on. I think if the CIS when all out it would of been a 6 month to a 2 year war depending on how things when. If it was a quick war showing of the CIS might I think that the separatist would of tried to peacefully live beside the republic. If it was a drawm out war the separatist would make post ww1 Germany look like a utopia

6:55 but how could the Senate cave if he was already dead?

The only way the way the Republic could stand a chance: Use a droid military as well I love the clones and they’re probably my favorite fictional characters but there simply wasn’t enough of them to win a galactic war

There is one thing you mentioned that really peaked my interest: why the hell did grevious not bomb the temple? It seems like they have no actual defenses otherwise we might’ve seen them come online during kinghtfall, grevious could’ve got his Jedi kills to skyrocket!

Great video, but I have a question: are Dooku and Palpatine still there and still Sith but with no control of the confederacy, or are they gone completely? Because if Palpatine was still a Sith, I doubt Greivous could get anywhere near to capturing him during the Battle of Courisaunt.

If they'd unleashed Grievous, Sev'Rance Tann, Trench, and Merei the CIS would have burned their way all the way to Coruscant.

“sithy” lmao

Dooku also wouldn’t have “taken” the Death Star plans and with the CIS ability to manufacture, why lay siege to a planet when you can vaporize it.

Coruscant burning and filled with the corpses of its denizens... now that's a blessed sight to be beholden upon.

I'd love an alternate timeline series based on this, very interesting

Always love listening to you're videos while I'm doing something else. Very relaxing

Command and control at higher levels would have been one hell of a problem. And you'd need more than tactical genius to maintain supply of these CIS forces as they stretched into the Deep Core. That would have been interesting as hell to read about.

We need to see more of the 327th Star corps

I think you are forgetting that it was the Sith that clouded the Jedi's vision of the droid manufacturing in the first place. Without that time, how could they have avoided early annihilation?

Let’s just face it, without sith interference, there wouldn’t have been a kamino to produce the clones a day into open war.

Geetsly your clone is very impressive you must be very proud

6:46 I'm surprised none of the CIS leaders ordered that in the actual timeline.

Good video Geetsly's. Keep it up

Just wondering here, if the Republic would have had a draft to enlist citizens and create a mix of normal Republic soldiers in conjunction with the clones, would they had had a chance or were the numbers too much to overcome?

There are a few more factors at play here I think. Firstly there was an episode of the clone wars where padmé almost negotiated peace with a friend in the separatists before she was ordered assassinated by Douku. The jedi's plans are mo longer being fed to Douku and so they would likely be a lot more successful. Other elements like the night mother and mandolorians might change things as well.

Gather a pretty sizable fleet than make a jump to that Rishi Maze , direct strike on Kamino . Or set up a deep space jamming network with all my destroyers

The CIS was a group of freedom fighters and mindless bots

I love your videos, keep up the good work !!! 😀

My new head canon; The separatists were so OP and so correct in their ideas that the sith had to basically turn it into a toddler and even then the full-grown man of the Republic would have been strong-armed into peace negotiations if not for Sith Interference. And if some lousy chancellor came back and said “Well then how about that pesky Confederacy? Let’s bring them back into the fold.”, they would have been annihilated by the countless droid armies of the CIS. People say Quality is better than Quantity, but to quote Stalin, “Quantity has a Quality if it’s own.” And the CIS is an amazing example of that.

If the sith grand plan was never truly enacted the sheer number size and power of the CIS would be able to absolutely crush the republic (honesty the strongest militant group in all of Star wars)

I have an odd feeling that even if the CIS was allowed to go their own way (lets assume they are happy with that, and Roger Roger their way back home) and become their own thing(s) - There would have after been oceans of bad blood between the remaining Republic, and the new Confederacy, and likely it would have only been a matter of time until another conflict would have broken out. Especially as those mega-corporation tycoons would have become richer than ever, thus growing their appetite for greed/bravery for such a tactic of securing more wealth, as it worked once already. There also probably would have been a lot of smaller border skirmishes going on, as well as a long lasting even stronger culture of "us vs them" fostered for countless generations (especially revenge for General Grievouses little tour of the core during Durge's Lance would have been a big driving point for this), so when the next conflict would have arrived, it would have been even more destructive, as neither side would have been holding back in the slightest. Maybe a video on what the aftermath of a CIS victory would have looked like would make a fine addition to your channels viewers collection? You would be wise to consider such an idea, Geetsly's. - waves -hand- wing in a very small circle as if performing a mind trick -

The idea of an unshackled CIS is awesome

The alternate timeline I think about a lot is what if the mission to rescue Palpatine failed after Grievous escaped, and the ship crashed into Coruscant causing incalculable damage to the capital, and killing Sheev, Obiwan and Anakin. Grievous would take over from Dooku’s position and it’d be like in New Vegas when Lanius succeeds Caesar. Full war crime mode.

I'm kinda glad you changed the tone of your voice. It makes your admittedly great videos way more enjoyable.

Well i think you kinda overstated the odds for confederacy - you said many times - sepies were handicapped by palpatine - but there were also numerous exmaples where paplpatine did exactly the same to republic forces - either by leaking the intel to sepies or by deliberately making bad strategy moves that resulted in failure - or at least severly increasing the chance for failure. Many times he also manipulated the jedi to act foolishly as well or by diverting them from one thing into another. Palpatine also protected many of sepies assets like banking clan or trade federation world/members/ senators despite them having connections to sepies - without that protection - the republic could that much easiert root them out - collapsing many flanks or projects from the sepies outright - by cutting them off from money or other support. I think the longer the war spanned - the more republic chances to win would grow. Sepies in order to win would have early on to use their might to stop republic warmachine from spinning up - because the moment it did so - they would be at disadvantage more and more as the war progressed. If anything the atrocities commited by grievous would cement the support against the cis forces - by proving that they cannot ignore that threat - aka if they are genocidal now - then they wont stop unless WE make them stop by grounding them to dust. Also keep in mind that Palpatine was also killing of many talented people on republic side - and that was smth you kinda neglected to point out too - this would translate into those ppl taking charge of armies as well - in the end it would result as jedi NOT being the minds behind the war - but rather advisors or combatants - but not masterminds since they would be outclassed very quickly by way more competent war/tactically oriented minds as well. And that would stop GAR from making foolish or silly tactical mistakes which were often made by jedi leaders. Palpatine pushed Jedi to be the leaders because he knew they were ill fitted to that task and that would both make them look weak or incompetent in the view of the public and on occasion it would also thin out their numbers in a "natural way". - Without palpatine to keep jedi in the leading role - they would be soon replaced by ppl who actually were good at "war".

They tried to kill trench twice but he lived both times

*Hears Geetslys brother in this video "Good.... good brother geetsly good... join your brother"

Don’t forget that without the sith plot there is no grievous, at least not a sith-trained cyborg grievous.

Also without sith meddling, the republic would have no clone army.

Alternatively, right after the entire clone army is destroyed at Geonosis, the CIS sends the entire Geonosis Droid Army to Coruscant and forces a peace after one battle.

If this is gestslys brother just wanted to say you did great and you did it as good as normal

Im genuinely surprised to see somebody mentioned SevRance Tahn

Unbeatable strategy: spam rolly pollies

The Rebellion's father. Change my mind

I love this channel so much

Love this channel

Not to mention the confederacy probably would have made widespread use of the defoliator tank as they were rarely used in the clone wars.

I feel like these types of KZfaqrs were the type we paid in school to do our essays

Plus Lotsa unique droids that were hyper lethal to jedi and clones. The type that coulda ended it anyway Like those droids with the metal tentacles that were force sensitive and killed jedi like crazy

Grievous: "looks like you need the Humbarine treatment. O H H A N Z"

I think regular people would start to fight for the Republic to help even out the odds and it would be like the Empire vs the rebels except with the Jedi helping

I wonder if they didn’t memory wipe some of the droids? Would the mass killing of the droids eventually be seen as amoral? Due to there growth of intelligence and emotions. If it can think and feel its a living thing!

The great war of attrition to end all wars

Without the Sith tho, most of the CIS wouldn't be a thing, not the minds, the corporate support or the infamous leaders would have been a thing, maybe a sort of rebellions here and there would have occurred, but those would have been crushed by economical pressure, political strategy or by the Republic reforming the Judicial Forces

Let's also not forget that the CIS would also have monetary constraints on how many battle Droids they could have made and not have sith intervention via the banking clan

When are you gonna do the next history of the republic? Are you gonna finish the series?

4:48 How does "off planet energy transport" work? Are the ships hauling giant batteries?

Aww ya skipped the attention Sargent on deck part of the intro .

Very good

If the war was strictly between the Republic and the CIS, I think they would have found a compromise. One of the major arcs in TCW was Sidious sabotaging peace talks because even though the military arm of the CIS wanted to push on, the rest of it's senators were all on board with making peace. Sidious had to constantly escalate the conflict to eventually justify his Empire, it's why Greivous was allowed to just run rampant. Without that involvement the "war" would have been short lived and nowhere as severe as it was. It'd probably be remembered as a heated conflict at best.

Hey Geetsly, there are two problems within your theories. Grevious was a construction/machination of Plapatine and Dooku as a way to make the entire galaxy tremble in fear to bring them to his side. And Ventress was only brought 'into the fold' because Dooku was looking for new, competing warriors and tech. If you remove all sith machinations and ambitions, you have two leaders/combative threats out of the picture. Ventress was only drawn to Dooku because she felt like she deserved to be sith, not just some dothimir witch or acolyte of one of the witch groups. Also the republic would have put out a proper call for building volunteer army over just relying on local Planetary defense forces and the clones. There was no such call to arms to out in canon. CIS numbers would still have been greater. But running both clone and non clone forces either together or in separate task forces. Manpower is ultimately not an issue for manning ships, fighters and boots on the ground. The fear of the separatist to Republic 'nationalists' would sign up in droves if allowed. Look at any war in reality. If a country is attacked, a large number of people enlist quickly. Think about the numbers of boots you'd get from Coruscant alone.

I know this is a few months late but Grievous was only able to get to coruscant thanks to a hyperspace route given to him by Dooku/Palpatine so that means the battle of Coruscant couldn't have taken place. Unless Disney canon changed this detail?

Now I need a fanfic about the separatists taking over the galaxy. Seeing how the separatist "empire " would work and seeing how the rebels fought them would be very interesting!

Could you do a video on what if the Republic also used droids? It doesnt make sense that the republic would ever have enough troops and ships to defend a significant enough part of their territory. It would be cool to explore how they might use droids to supplement their clone and Jedi forces.

dont forget that the cortosis battle droids wouldnt have been destroyed by palpatine leaking the factory to the republic which wopuld mean that there are mass produced droids that could mow down jedi

Okay but like this CIS vs The empire but replace the storm troopers with the jedi and a much larger clone army

Fascinating stuff. It also explains why Palpatine designed a military for the republic that while elite, was still too expensive and small to effectively combat the separatists on all fronts (partly due to it's late formation and slow growth). The clones too were supposed to be good enough to fight the separatists in those circumstances, but keep things desperate enough to keep people scared and ready for the empire, since their real purpose was just to kill the jedi and make way for the stormtrooper corps. Honestly, a CIS using it's full potential could have easily shattered the Republic in a short time, and if they wanted to (which non Smith controlled I doubt they would) probably could have controlled the galaxy more effectively than the Empire even. That wouldn't just be thanks to their droid numbers and functionality being ideal for occupation tactics, but because their fleet composition, tactics, and ground vehicles seemed far better suited to full warfare than the Empire, whose whole military was hamstrung by the shortsighted Tarkin doctrine

I know this is a weird question, but are you from Canada?

It would have been cool to see someone from the CIS putting together all the pieces realizing that they've been manipulated all this time only to be taken out by Palpatines assassins

Not while Captain Fordo still breathes. He could win it single handedly.