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Love the alternate intro focused on the cybermen rather than the daleks. Hope that becomes a recurring theme. Would love one for everyone's favourite Doctor Who villain, the quarks 😉

Normally I watch to learn about the history and construction of props but the mathematics and physics involved with sci-fi worldbuilding was fascinating. The Wheel in Space wouldn't be the only time that Doctor Who referenced Station 5. The 9th Doctor episode The Long Game features a multi-wheeled space station named Satellite 5.

This has got to be the most in-depth anybody has ever gone on a concept as obscure as this. A captivating video.

That intro took me by surprise for sure, but by far my favorite part was the remix of the 60's cyberman theme, its always been one of my favorite pieces of Who music and it was awesome hearing it here.

The Wheel in Space has a good reputation with me. I remember finding it exciting as a child. I can't wait for DVD with good animation for the missing episodes!

Amazing amount of work went into the Wheel in Space episode which probably only a handful of people would have realised at the time. Seeing all the calculations in this episode on how they did stuff was really interesting and a real credit to the writers.

Excellent video. I would point out that Kit Pedler was not an 'optometrist.' The word 'optometrist' (like 'oculist') is just an alternative name for an optician, who is someone who examines eyes and then prescribes glasses if required. Kit Pedler graduated in Medicine and so was a medical doctor . He eventually became an Ophthalmic Pathologist and did a lot of research on the anatomy of the retina and the nature of vision. He wasn't really an 'ophthalmologist' either because he did not see patients,treat people or do eye operations. I am a former doctor and worked for a few years as a junior ophthalmologist.

An absolutely fascinating episode, and I’m very taken with the incidental music here too. Really evocative of Brian Hodgson’s radiophonic sound design for the original episodes.

A phenomenal episode. It was truly a thrill watching the analysis of the lagrange points, and the subsequent dissection of where in space W3 falls. The fact that so much evident thought and care went into the production of Wheel in Space that would probably go past most audience members is remarkable to me. Thank you for bringing it life!

21:18 - You've still put more effort than BBC with any of the animated reconstructions! :D So strange that it never occurs to them that they could do the eps with CGI and motion capture (would save ton of time).

Brilliant stuff! I just have one question... Why the heck is the BBC not getting you to make the special features on the DVD/ Blu-ray collections? ❤

Thank you for yet another brilliant deep dive! Classic Who will _always_ have my heart. I fell in love with Who during the Tom Baker years which features the Ark - twice! As my age is post-2001 A Space Odyssey, as I watched Ark in Space I never gave it much throught that such a huge satellite wasn't just around the corner IRL, technology-wise. Your discussion of both the science and science fiction kept me fully engaged. PS: Your rough animatics are already more visually appealing, even in greyscale, than the animations produced in 2015 (2016?). Looking forward to seeing more! PPS: Ooooh, Wernher von Braun..... thorny territory. 🤔

I was about to say how they probably regret calling their show "Terry Nation Army" before y'all just hit me with that Tomb of the Seven Nation Armymen music, this shit slaps!

I am constantly reminded of the Moff's description of the 11th Doctor as: 'Patrick Moore in the body of a swimwear model'. Which requires the brain bleach.

Interestingly, your proposed position for the Wheel at L3 coincides with the original location of Mondas as stated in _The Tenth Planet_ before it drifted out of the solar system. Kind of makes sense the Cybermen would attack the Wheel first: it's technically their ancestral home but divorced of the emotional connection to it they just seem to gravitate (no pun intended) there without knowing why. It's also very convenient place to launch attacks on earth and the other stations as it's blocked from telescope and sensor view by the sun. Did Pedlar intentionally mean to tie this into his original Cyberman story or was this simply a happy accident?

So the Wheel is positioned where Mondas once was. Accidental perfection for a Cybermen story? Or another genius idea?

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. The reconstruction. The breakdown of the wheel location. The whole kit and caboodle.

8:54 - Suddenly that one Tom and Jerry short by Chuck Jones makes perfect sense (Tom starts shooting on a space station and whole thing deflates)... 8O

Always impressed by the thoroughness of your research. Incidentally, a more modern example of the "walking on the wall" concept can be seen in Thunderbird 5, from the 2015 reboot series "Thunderbirds Are Go"

Fascinating video and brilliant research as always, especially regarding the icarus model (I now need to update my wheel model which has been wrong for about fifteen years). Lovely to see the set plans for the oxygen supply room, Matmos said the lava lamps were a special commission - amazing considering the budget for this story. Great to see The Wheel in Space getting the attention it deserves!

Given tonight's commentary of what some are proud to call 'Plunger Cutaway' (aka the CIN minisode), I would like to lean into the Cybermen's reasoning for a moment. Seeing as how psychopathy is basically a deadening of the limbic system, it makes sense that strategy and manipulation is key to their actions. A methodical approach, over sheer aggression. Or perhaps I am just grasping at straws. Obviously there is a constituency that wants the 2nd boss space monsters to have some kind of 'emotional' justification beyond justifying themselves. But that's not what they are.

i absolutely love your reconstruction of episode 1; if full reconstructions like that of episodes existed itd be my preferred way to watch them. i don't know if you're planning to make more in the style but if you are can i request something from the myth makers or the massacre? being able to see how the episodes with the least visual material wouldve looked down to the camera angles and set choreography would be amazing

Love the Cybermen variant of the opening theme!

Correction: This is essentially about "The Wheel in Space". (With some... elliptical references to the cybermen.)

Absolutely fascinating. The physics and maths used, and how deliberate those numbers were, actually brought me out in goosebumps. I love stuff like that. Thank you.

As a Cyberman fan and a Dalek 6388 fan, this is a dream come true :D Would be cool to see a video on the contradictory origin stories for the Cybermen and how they actually kinda fit together (especially after The Doctor Falls).

This is the most fantastic video you've made in my opinion, keep them coming! I love very detail about Cybermen stories, and for anyone out there, listen to The ArcHive Tapes: Cybermen by David Banks, they're gold.

"Gaps in Zoe's knowledge".... UNTHINKABLE! ;)

Just a quick note: Joseph-Louis Lagrange was an 18th century Italian/French mathematician. His surname is not pronounced to rhyme with the English word "range". If you pronounce the "an" part of "range" by the sound of the English word "on" you will get somewhere close to the correct pronunciation.

An amazing amount of thought was put into this video. In Zoe's defence (more the writers and the actress), those terms would not be common knowledge at the time and her actress did say it the way an English speaker imagined it would be said. As for the distance, perhaps they were trying to get the idea across in as few words as possible knowing the chances of anyone dissecting it afterwards was minimal

I read somewhere that when David Bowman was deactivating HAL they use a technique of hanging Keir Dullea head down between two walls to simulate weightlessness and that this was copied from Dr. Who; although it might have been the other way around.

Such a lot of work, it has to be admired. Thanks for all the time and effort. It was all very interesting and worth trudging through the many adverts (a necessary evil, I'm sure!).

One of the PLS systems from 2001 appears in City of Death

I wish the official dvd/Blu-ray extras were as intelligent and thoughtful as your videos. I also wish the show itself had more proper sci-fi. There’s a lot of mind boggling stuff in the universe, all they have to do is wrap a script around it.

As a fan of Doctor Who since 1963, and as a sci fi enthusiast I look forward to colourised high def editions appearing sometime soon.

Another superb presentation! Wendy Padbury obviously had no idea what she was saying and someone had watered down the science along the way to filming it seems. Your reconstructions look impressive !! Bravo !

Fabulous video, completely engrossing and I learned quite a bit too. Thanks!

Another absolutely fascinating episode, thank you for crunching all those numbers for us.

SOOOOO happy your doing cyberman videos!!!

I never liked the cybermen as much as the daleks, but it's always cool to learn about the making of Doctor Who! Loving the alternate cyberman intro for the cyberman-focused episode!

First, let's get funky with Space Adventure. I will applaud just for that.

The Cybermen are my alltime favourite Dr Who enemies, I have always preferred them to the Daleks in billions of ways.

I love the "cyber" version of the theme music!

Really digging that alternate intro and theme!

This is incredible. I've always wanted to see cyberman content on this channel as well just because of how brilliantly in depth and well thought out your productions are. I can't even fathom how you manage to get most of this info, let alone find how it relates to other things. Extremely intruiging as always. I actually quite like this serial, the sounds used in it as well as how the cybermen just are I think set a claustrophobic, macabre tone. The plot might be a bit in over it's head at times but it doesnt detract for me. It probably isn't as straight forward given the constant redesigns and the fact that cyber costumes have a lot more moving, flexible parts and surface area too them, but are individaul cyber suits and parts of them also uniquely identifiable through small quirks like with the dalek props?

Those animation samples are bloody superb 😮

I always loved Moores cameo in the Eleventh Hour episode I feel like the science officer really helped with the immersion of Doctor Who as a programe.

I love the integration of Space adventure (the cybermen theme from Tomb) into the intro

Wonderful, bonkers, bizarre... and a lot of fun. More please!

Hope the wheel in space gets animated in 2024

I hope the Wheel in Space gets a dvd release, asap and if so I shall buy it and be able to see the lost episodes.

Well, here comes the science bit! Very thorough, nicely put together!! Loving the Cybermen opening theme variation and the title sequence too 😁

AMAZING! This is some of the best Dr Who content ever. A dream come true. 10/10, bravo. My admiration for you guys could not be higher.

Brilliant, love it when we get a new video, thanks to everyone involved.

Great video as always, also was surprised to see your channel name on the back of the history of the daleks box! ha

"I know what you're thinking" erm... I was thinking "Isn't he modern, using metres, instead of yards?"

Personally, I liked 'The Wheel In Space'. I don't understand why so many others dislike it.

Good god I adore this channel. Thanks guys, love your work.

Absolutely fascinating. You don't get that level of complexity in Modern Who's writing!

I sincerely hope you continue to make more videos based off of other non dalek aspects of the show!

Fascinating video! Genuinely fascinating!

A splendid deep analysis of this episode. I am delighted how much science holds up!

Great video! I had no idea Patrick Moore was even in the frame to advise on Doctor Who. Lots of other surprises, too. Like you, I bridled at Zoe's mispronunciation of aphelion, but "highly elliptical" doesn't make any sense: a circle is also "highly elliptical". "Highly eccentric" would probably be better. Edit: "highly", not "very". I have a memory like a - what is it you drain rice in? Colander?

Always love a new video from this channel, my favourite on KZfaq

Amazing work!

Loved that intro! I’m so hyped for the children in need doctor who special tonight!

16:16 bruh I had to rewind that to make sure I wasn’t going crazy

Would you possibly make a video of a scrapped Cyberman episode? Second to the daleks, the Cybermen are my favorite villains in that show. Keep up the good work.

Truly excellent, thank you so much for making this superb look into the thinking behind this story (and an amazing selection of clips and photos)... I will never underrate it, as it is the Dr Who story that is precisely as old as me!

Amongst many other great things, that Destiny of the Doctors reference was sublime.

Great Scott!!! What an amazing video!

Loving the new intro with cyber-inspired music. Nice touch 😎

Still would’ve been interesting to see the original idea for the story where it would have both Daleks and Cybermen on screen together, predating Doomsday for 40 years before this dream could happen.

Ooooooh new blood! I love these videos the research you guys undertake is staggering

The music and sounds of Doctor Who were a major part of its early success because they were so weird and unconventional. Our first experience of the series was the weird title visuals generated using howlaround, accompanied by the weird sounds of the Delia Derbyshire arranged theme music composed by Ron Grainer. The 1960s and 70s productions often used strange sounds and music wherever they could (including some inspirational stock music pieces, mostly used in the 60s). What's wonderful is when the sounds and the music are occasionally inseparable and indistinguishable from each other, such as in the wonderfully weird Sea Devils incidental music/sounds, which takes the whole story into another dimension. Referring specifically to The Wheel in Space, its sounds that accompany the appearances of the Cybermen still give me a chill up my spine...

Wow! Another great fact-filled episode. Thanks.

Feel a bit silly now that the only space wheels I knew of as a kid were the mini-boss ones you fight in Starfighter 3000 (1994). Those were clearly based off 2001. Only one wheel, not touble, but the hangar was in the same place and they had the 4 arms. Thanks for the education. While I obviously have seen a review or two of Wheel in Space, the definitely helped teach me FAR more. Thank you.

Have you rebranded the channel, "Cyberman 66 • 88" 🤣

Gents, that Tomb of the Cybermen theme is a banger. Love the videos as always!

One thing TWiS has over the other 1960s Cybermen stories (which are arguably better) is the apparently unique idea of "growing" Cybermen. Early in the story we have that weird scene of the Cyberman apparently being created in a circular egg of some kind and enlarged before "birth" (it's a while since I've watched the remaining episodes, so I might easily have misremembered these details). As far as I can recall, this way of generating Cybermen was never mentioned in the story, and has never recurred, possibly because it's very hard to explain or justify within what we know of official Cyber history as seen on TV. I presume it would be from some form of cloning of cells from a Cyberman, but it's hard to see how one would clone a creature that is basically a human who has been augmented with Cyber technology, with its technology already as part of it at birth. It isn't totally at odds with the central drive for survival at any costs that the 1960s Cybermen exhibited. This is perhaps a hanging thread of a concept that could be taken up by future Doctor Who writers, since it has to my awareness never been explored. It would explain how the Cybermen managed to increase their numbers after the events of Tomb of the Cybermen (presumably the cloning method was done by a different group of Cybermen, the ones we meet in TWiS, who do look a little different to the Tomb ones).

as usual, a great video!

another epic upload brother 👍

A Wheel in Space episode?? My birthday, this is such an underrated story for the mondasians!

Quality stuff here!

Exceptional episode. Fantastic!

Did Kit Pedler suggest using the Disney space station model in the episode to promote it to the public, and then later sell it?

I think the design WOULD also be reflected as a cultural artefacts in designs of stations even if/when their technology evolved past the need for such rudimentary forms of artificial gravity.

Another case closed, by the Dalek Detectives! (or are they the Cyber Profilers now?)

I am very pleased you have got onto the Cybermen now.

"The Wheel in Space" is one of those 'what it says on the tin' titles, isn't it? Mind you, so are a lot of DW titles. Eric Saward might've called it "Sunburst". I like "The Ring Donut in Space".

An excellent episode.

But two of those stations don't fit on any legrange points?

*5:47* _Jubislide intensifies_

As always, a fantastic watch... How these aren't on iPlayer beats me.....

Excellent !

Dr. Who now has a real IDPOL advisor.

I'm no rocket scientist but wouldn't a space station using centrifugal acceleration have to have some method to force people to stay in one location? What if you ran in the opposite rotation, wouldn't you become lighterand eventually be able to jump and stay in the air with the space station spinning past you, a dangerous position to be in.

We need the Wheel In Space released next Beeb!

Fantastic!