Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I've always seen criticism of the stompy bois

Go to videos about the classic mondasian cybermen. You will see them there

Harbo Wholmes yea but you made it sound like people hated it like the Disney Star Wars trilogy😂. I personally like both versions.

@@Fulllife3.2 shall do then

Me neither, cybusmen were my introduction to the cybermen altogether

I grew up with the Cybusmen, I adore them.

I think fans out there really missed the point about the RTD Cybermen. These Cybermen come from another dimension which they never came from Mondas and were created by a Davros like scientist.

The Cybusmen are essentially dr.whos take on the borg. LOVE them, and honestly I probably would go through partial conversion if it ment keeping my individuality

@@minitooth There have been Doctor Who/TNG crossover graphic novels featuring both the Cybermen and the Borg. Some people online suspected Gene Roddenberry may had got the idea of The Borg from the Cybermen. I don't think Gene Roddenberry ever watched Doctor Who and I think it's a mere coincidence and Gene Roddenberry never acknowledged it. Your right, the Cybus Cybermen are more like The Borg. The people whom became Cybus Cybermen were assimilated by force and against their will. One thing the Cybermen did have were cube shaped spaceships.

@@minitooth Cybermen were 1960s, Borg were 1990s.

Definitely! I think it was good for them to not do it until Series 10. Any earlier and people would've just laughed at them because of their look. Giving us the two types of NuWho Cybermen meant that new fans would understand the Cybermen enough to accept the Mondasians

Harbo Wholmes to be fair the Legions and Cyberiad May have been Mondasian related/adjacent

The Mondassian voice was more scary with it's lilting tone.

@@HarboWholmes of course 😎

@@colinp2238 yes it was do u think it was better 🐽

Yeah. Rest of the monsters just kill you. They don't even need reason for that. "Oh you are in my way? Die". Cybusmen? We kill you, because we want to "Help you".

I did like how Cybus originally created them just so he could live on, but the president wouldnt let him.

I did my duty for queen and country I did my duty for queen and country I did my duty for queen and country

@@justdenks I loved that scene

It seems to be a recurring theme that female characters who have been converted manage to overcome their Cyberman programming in some form. Parallel World Jackie Tyler still recognised herself after being converted. Yvonne Hartman overcame her programming and attacked the other Cybermen as we know. Lisa Hallett was only partially converted when the Cybermen were sucked into the void after experimenting with converting full bodies. After Ianto's attempts to fix her, her full Cyber programming came into play, and ended up getting mixed with her human emotions, creating a demented ideology of what love is. Bill Potts overcame her Cyberman programming in the Series 10 finale.

The less we talk about "Revenge of" and "Attack of", the better.

@@TheSmart-CasualGamer and completely ignore the cyberwoman

The Smart-Casual Gamer. Hey Attack isn’t Revenge bad. I actually thought it was pretty good

PC Andy Infinite same

I like how silly the "EXCELLENT!" Cybermen from the 70s/80s were.

More like tech companies

I love that fact.

He's also Trigger from Only Fools and Horses. Classic comedy actor.

@@GADG3Tx87 Did he ever tell you about the medal he got for maintaining his sweep brush?

haha i remember thinking that too... I watched Harry Potter few days before the episode came out and ended up thinking it...

Also in both cases, David Tennant’s character killed Roger Lloyd-Pack’s. RIP Roger Lloyd-Pack.

Tbf I think it's subjective. The Bill Potts cyberman was the first time I've been genuinely, deeply horrified by Dr who, and gave me nightmares! At the age of 24 lol

Agreed. Bill becoming a Cyberman was sad considering her condition and the Doctor's situation. Alt!Jackie becoming a Cybusman was horrifying for the reasons explained in the video. Two different reactions intended by the writers.

Doctor "a mondasian cyberman! You're brand new, fresh out of the factory, you're not ready for a fight yet!" Nardole "he does look kinda ready..." 😂

Actually, as a coincidence, I was 22 when alt Jackie became a cyberman, so maybe it was an age thing. I’m too old for surprises now lol

someone had told me about Bill Potts becoming a cyberman and it was still really disturbing

@@AssassinIsAfk you could say that about any Cyberman since they all feature an amount of Metal. Not to mention I don't know anyone who would be able to not only foresee a Cybusman invasion but also have the resources to get huge magnets to put outside their house. They're kinda like tanks too, so even if a couple go down to some magnets each unit is pretty strong. The rest would be able to clean up and turn the magnets off

@@AssassinIsAfk okay but they would need to get the magnets to an aircraft carrier which would require a helicopter WITHOUT a magnet on it. They don't just store industrial sized magnets on boards

@@AssassinIsAfk If it were that Easy the Cybermen of all generations would never be an issue. They're all controlled by one overmind type Cyberleader. If you CAN hack them then no Cyberman would be a threat.

@@AssassinIsAfk all magnets are metal but not all metals are magnetic. They could be made of a non-metallic metal or I think that flaw would have been a problem in the past... or they'd stick together.

@@AssassinIsAfk you mean in the parallel world? They used the shutdown code they didn't hack the cybermen directly

I agree! I may be biased by nostalgia, as I grew up with the RTD era, but the Cybermen and Daleks were definitely at their NuWho best when he was in charge

Same. It’s hard to beat your first Cyberman.

@@HarboWholmes The entirety of NuWho was better with Davies in charge. Everything just worked and nothing seemed like a disjointed mess and the writing quality was really good. Ever since Moffat too over (not even gonna comment on now lol) everything just started becoming messy and the continuity was all over the place and nothing really worked for me. He absolutely ruined the Daleks by making them a joke and not threatening at all. The Davies era was retconned criminally and the show became a mess.

So cybermen in classic series weren't converting people?! Fuck. First one were scariest looking (especialy in new who special) and this logic that "we will kill you thus upgrade you" was so LOGICAL. Now my urge to watch classic series has weakened :/

@@ladrok97 The first Cybermen were going to convert the whole population of Earth. They looked on it as a benevolent act. Sort of "Hello, space cousins, give us your planet and we'll give you freedom from disease and pain, ain't that super?" I grew up only ever having seen photos of the Mondasians and thought they looked a bit ropey compared to their sleek sliver successors. Then I saw a clip of them in action (probably around the 20th anniversary). They were horrific. Surgical splints and dressings holding together something that used to be a person, a cumbersome like support unit, bare hands and hollow sockets that occasionally showed a glimpse of an eyeball deep inside, and a mouth that opened to release a stream of words that sounded like they were spliced together with no attempt to retain a human-like voice.

they're doing something similar but more subtle with Lena Luthor in the Supergirl series . I immediately drew a parallel to Cybus and it made me smile . Wealthy genius trying to help humanity by taking away the behaviour that's causing trouble . Sure it's been done a few times but it's good to see there's still fresh ideas and attempts at good writing out there .

I agree

Bethsheeba the Mondasian Cybermen were the closer to humanity than the Modern Cybermen.

I thought that they were a Borg rip off.

@@colinp2238 A rip off that was created 20 years before the borg showed up in star trek . Well , it IS a show about time travel .

Agreed

me watching that episode thinking how the hell did everyone let themselves be completely enslaved by earpods, then proceeding to wear my airpods for 6 hours a day

Yeah. This is why I'm sad that Mondas Cybermen weren't trying to upgrade. Their design (at least in new who episode) is so scarry - so close to human body, but without convertion aspect is just enemy

The mondasian cybermen also thought of themselfs as the "heroes" of the story, offering the conversion as a solution to human problems. They gave the choice to join them or simply to die as earth would be drained. They never felt like jumpsuits, but a surgical process gone extremely wrong and the technology taking over the body. For them it there was no reason to not be a cybermen as they had no "weaknesses", no emotions. The Doctor and Polly actually tried to argue with them about the lack of feelings and the disregard for human life they had, receiving some solid counterarguments of how people die everyday and give no shits about that, so why should they care? They only killed when necessary (not counting the guys in the surface, which might have just been converted for all we know.) As show when the Cybermen keeping ben hostage only, attacking when ben tricks menaces him. Besides, we've never seen any cybermen being "cured" in ClassicWho. There was no saving those who were converted, like that guy half converted in Attack. Only episode i saw where that happened was Closing time and the cyberbill trilogy (water lady probably could have saved bill, mondasian design or not), two NewWho episodes. What i like about the classic, 3W and the warriors cybers is the fear of whats inside and how it might feel to have cold metal and cables inside of me, or having organs, bones or skin missing, not being able to feel them. Something that the cybus could never do, as i would just be a brain in a mecha suit. The design is great tho. Cybus might be scary, but mondasian/warriors/3W cybers are horrifying. Bill, danny and original Yvonne (spare parts) are tragic as we have created some sort of feeling with them, and knowing what they think and feel, or the fact that thry prefer to not feel or not exist at all is pure horror, something that i couldn't feel for AltJackie as she was only present for one episode and was very damn rude with everyone, only having an impact cuz of Pete's and rose's desperate reaction, which was also something that danny, bill Yvonne had (Clara, Nardole and The Doctor and Yvonne's family). Classic and post-Cybus all had moment that made me prefer death over conversion, something that i couldn't feel that much with RTDs stories (he made the cybermen a joke in army of ghosts and doomday and next doctor, which needs no explaining now, do we?). Age of steel and rise are great, but Tenth planet part 2, Dark water, Death in heaven, World enough and time and Doctor falls are masterpieces in cyber-horror.

Dont get me wrong, i hate ascension of the cybermens and the timeless children as they both are the literal incarnation of ALL of the problems with cybermen

@@Pelgaphilthecapybara You know? The whole, cables and metal hanging out of your body is not that terrifying to me. I experienced it after all. I had surgery that needed some supportive devices to heal, so I had plastic hoses and metal hanging out of my back. And it really was not as awful as many people would belief. A bit uncomfortable at times, if I twisted a bit far I could feel them sliding under my skin a bit, but that was neither painful nor horrific. More of an, sat to long in one position and the tendons pop, kind of feel. If the suff had not been as encumbering (had two pull a stand that the hoses lead to after me) I would have had no problem going on about my life as if it was not even there. No, what I find terrifying is the influence of the mind. That the things that make you you are turned off and leave you a unemotional automaton.

@@theexchipmunk oof man. I'm sorry. It's more of an personal opinion really, bcuz being honest, I probably wouldn't feel any of the two options, as my emotions and feelings would be inhibited. I find the mondasian Cybermen horrific because it retains some human attributes but still covering everything with that strange suit. We don't really KNOW what happened to them inside, and I think it's for the best. The mangled body would be nightmare fuel. But I get where u come from and respect that.

The Moffat era look like what they are, a man in a suit doing an unconvincing robotic walk, a suit that looks like a rip off of iron man to show 'how cool we are kids'. The Davis era look strong, imposing and lifeless machines, their boots crashing down in unison as they march, completely uniform and no personality to tell them apart.

@@greypilgrim228 Because it had a dead body in that Cybermen. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e7Wapqtim9GRpmw.html

You can still there there is human material there

It's a great two parter!

@@HarboWholmes absolutely!

yes

Desperate people do drastic things

Chibnall wanted 'cyberwomen' and 'female daleks' that guy is a joke. The cybermen have no gender or identity and neither do daleks'. There is no agenda there. He's a moron and has to go.

@@GADG3Tx87 Wasn't Cyberwoman named after Ianto's girlfriend who had been partially converted? I mean, the design is what comic fans would call pure cheesecake and the Gwen starting to have an affair with Owen subplot was trashy but it was an okay episode.

@@christopherbennett5858 she tried to upgrade someone when her chamber had been repurposed for life support

The drone head things had potential. They could've became parasitic conversion machines to create short lasting, disposable Cybermen meant only for combat.

Those are three of the most iconic villains, so good choice! I've always liked the Cybusmen, they look great. It's always hard to get started with Doctor Who. I was lucky to be in the right place and the right time for the start of the revived era, so I grew up with it. Instinct tells me that you may as well start with Rose (first episode of the revived era) but that's far from the best episode to start with. I have no idea where I'd start if I was new to it now. I think it depends what you're looking for.

Well I’m kinda looking for a somewhat fun, interesting and humorous run. So far, the part that matches that requirement is the season with the 10th Doctor. I also heard that the one with the 6th Doctor is good.

I think the safer bet would be the 10th Doctor era, since the 6th Doctor's episodes are quite polarising among fans. There are three 10th Doctor series and a set of specials after that, but you might need to just start from the beginning to understand certain things. 'Christmas Invasion' is the first 10th Doctor episode (it was a Christmas special.) It's quite divisive but I feel like it's a good little story. I recommend you start from there, so that you get a more complete 10th Doctor experience. You might be confused with a couple of things, but you should be fine. Series 2 (the first full 10th Doctor series) can be hit or miss but if you can power through that, Series 3, 4 and the 2009 Specials are some of the best the show has ever put out so bear with it!!

I started with Rose, went on for a while, and caught up with the rest of the classic lore needed to understand where everything important happens

@@HarboWholmes I love cybus men as well Davies era was before me but I watched Tennant's era more than any and the cybermen were awesome they terrified me with their conversation and I think chibnils new cybermen will be awesome to see

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@El Limon yeah I'm confused as well because I've heard nothing but ridicule about the previous versions of Cybermen from all my friends who were bigger Dr Who fans than me but found the Cybus Cybermen as a legitimately terrifying idea, and thus loved them.

i've never really "hated" the cybus cybermen, it's just that i like the other iterations better. (excluding nightmare in silver and the iron cybermen).

Cause they feel like robots when there not I fail to connect with them emotionally cause the cybus cybermen look like robots but I understand that the point of them is to upgrade so I ain't to bothered

Seemingly now more a possibility with the advancements in wearable tech and even Elon Musk's Neuralink, which is now heading to the beginning of human trials.

That's a fair point, but I'd have to disagree. They are pretty prominent in Army of Ghosts/Doomsday, Next Doctor and Closing Time

By that I mean they don’t do anything interesting with them, and they take a back seat to something else.

Ah, I get it now. But isn't that the case with most Doctor Who monsters?

Yvonne had a big flippin' gun

And they can easily adapt to any situation after being exposed to it once. Given time that would potentially make them invulnerable to attack. One shot from a Dalek and a quick 'upgrade patch' later and they better start re-evaluating their 'superior race' ideology.

John Lumic cybermen are goldilocks

Sword & Dove Gaming Productions They kinda explored that in Season 12 with Jodie’s Doctor but it was done poorly :/ The Cyberman general had such potential being only half-converted but they ended up just making him pretty irrelevant instead by putting the ‘timeless children’ in the spotlight... Would’ve probably been better if the Cyberman was the focus of the show and underwent some sort of character development but nope.

So you had a nightmare of silver.... I'll see myself out

The episode is titled a nightmare in silver but you get an A for effort

captain banana peel it was a pun because it's a nightmare of the cybermen not a nightmare in the cybermen because that doesn't sound right

But I guess the in could have worked too

captain banana peel that the first A Ive ever got so thanks

The whole point though is to remove what makes a human individual and that means removing emotion and humanity from that person to become uniform and it shows well with the Cybusmen the cybermen from the 80s were way too human even showing emotional inflection in their speech.

Mine too!

@@HarboWholmes They are the scariest, but not the best design.