@Ching Vang did you watch episode 2 cgi or not they were terrifying and the bloater in episode 5 was even better

i thought it made it boring and empty. i haven't played the video game, but it must be excruciating just walking to different places with nothing happening

@@emhullum4120 I'm sure it would be far more exciting if you tried to walk across North America. It's not like huge sections of area with essentially no human life is how things are in the real world right now, right? 🙄

One more scene with them would have helped a lot, IMHO.

@@emhullum4120 in the game the down time is spent exploring the world scavenging items solving puzzles fighting clickers and talking with Ellie even on my fourth play through I was never bored

By not showing the infected like in the game, you're making the world the show exists seem way more safe than it is in the game. The whole point is the culmination of their entire journey and Joel making the choice at the end. It's supposed to be a tough choice. By having infected in a handful of scenes, you're making the choice easier. They went from Boston to Kansas City seemingly without incident. The only danger they faced was from 2 groups of humans. The stakes in the show simply aren't that high as they are in the game.

How did they deepen the plot? Most of the changes they made worsened the source material. Such as Ellie stopping herself attacking David instead of Joel having to save her from herself

Exactly. It means Joel saw their relationship, how happy they were, how it was possible to find meaning and love again in this horrible world. It shows that he could have that too if he found the right person. Not the same kind of love, obviously, but in his case it was the love of a parent and child. And he did find it again. And he protected it just like Bill told him to.

@@TheCommunistColin And then they're killed because they're gay characters written by a straight non-ally. Gotta Bury Your Gays, even though that trope USED to be dead.

@@crazyinsane500 as a gay man, I knew exactly that people like you would complain about that trope. and then again at the left behind episode. It’s getting so boring. There’s never been any indication that Neil Druckmann is a “non-ally” but people like you will say “he killed the gay characters though!” as if that somehow makes him homophobic. IT’S JUST A STORY. Straight people die in it and gay people die in it. It’s a post apocalyptic story with fungus zombies. Get over it.

@@extofer How nice of you to speak for all LGBT+ people. But the facts are he introduced gay characters only to have them killed off in the same episodes they're introduced in. That's literally Bury Your Gays, a trope that's fallen out of usage as more companies try to promote representation, partially due to the inclusion of LBGT+ persons taking part in focus groups. Worse yet: He changed the fate of a gay character specifically so they would be buried. But we do know he's no ally because behind-the-scene development reports of The Last of Us 2, which he was the primary lead on. The main character, Abby, was designed to be "trans friendly" but no trans person was consulted on this, it all came from what Neil Druckmann saw as "trans-friendly" traits. The result is a character who's a parody of trans traits, who stands in stark contrast to another in-game trans character who was designed with input from a trans VA and who is more in-line with the aesthetic of the game. It's literally the case of what a cis straight man sees trans people as vs how one trans person sees themselves. Best case scenario it's just something terfy, but given the context of the many other problematic behaviors he exhibits behind-the-scenes, he's about as much of an ally as Weinstein. It's all surface-level efforts meant to cover deep seated bigoted views.

@@crazyinsane500 Yeah yeah I’ve heard that all before. You’re a part of a hive mind that has decided that if anyone starts any rumor or hearsay about someone, it automatically means they’re guilty. I’m not going to trust you as a source without proof. And I’ve read all of that about Druckman, but you know what it’s lacking? Proof. You don’t know what his creative process is like. You don’t know who he talked to or didn’t talk to along the way to get there. And also, I’m saying I know the trope exists. I just don’t think it bothers me the way it does you. I see stories as stories. And these are compelling and good stories despite who dies (again, not just lgbt people die). But here’s the thing - I’m also not saying I speak for lgbt+ people, but there are a lot of people like me out there that disagree with you. You also don’t speak for all lgbt+ people. WE’RE NOT A MONOLITH.

Badass scene

Scraps.

Definitely, it sets up the story perfectly

LOL 😂

Had me in the first half ngl

😂🤣🥲

they walk past a dead body, someone whos committed, and ellie says "he took the easy way out" then joel replies "trust me, it aint easy"

In the game it just implied that Joel had go through the thought of K himself but never outright said what he did like in the show

Nah, this doesn't happen. The closest you get to that is Joel commenting on a couple that killed themselves, as Shtummy pointed out. The tone of voice did NOT indicate he went through that himself, only that he had anecdotal knowledge of it.

@@eliteteamkiller319 I think the tone of voice implies he considered it but didn’t act on it

ad 1: Redundant ad 2: I see your point. Would have worked too, but wasn't needed. ad 3: Redundant and needlessly distracting. This is exactly the kind of thing that:s there for the game, but wouldn't have made the episode better. There was no need for another horde. We already knew that the show depicts humanity gradually going extinct. Throughout all their travels we not only see the world in ruins, but all that remains is barely holding on and running on stuff borrowed from the past. And the few bastions are falling one by one. No place is really expanding. They survive - for now - or fall. Even the nice commune town, while offering a better life for now, is fragile and 1 bad year away from getting wiped out by bad weather or infection. There was no doubt that the final episode had high stakes. We didn't need a zombie horde to remind us of that. At the end there were more Giraffes than humans in the city.

​@@oerthlingman he's right, you can't have a series about infected monsters and have them to appear for like 20 minutes all together, seems like they focused too much on making half of the characters either badly written like Bill (he trusts a random guy in the apocalipse and proceed to have sex after 10 minutes) or make them black for some reason

@@leretard6936 The series IS NOT about the infected. The infected are the background for the story about Joel & Ellie. I thought that's obvious. The game has a greater emphasis on the infected because it's a game - you get something to fight. The series can focus more on the story.

While it would have been nice to see more zombies, not showing them can also work super well. Just look at Alien. In Alien, the xenomorph has about 4 minutes of screentime in a move that's 1hr and 57m long. And the xenomorph isn't revealed until like an hour into the movie (if I remember correctly). But despite that, the xenomorph is one of the most iconic movie monsters ever, most people would say that it's beyond just a movie monster. Not showing the xenomorph or the infected for long periods of time really builds up tension in the audience, so every time they do appear you get this dreadful feeling, and you genuinely worry about what'll happen to the protagonists. Sometimes if you have too much of the bad guy, then they can start to feel less imposing and threatening. Then again, I could see why having so little infected shown could be a negative for the final emotional payoff. There's definitely a fine line when it comes to how much bad guy you need to show.

@@oerthling those are your opinions and you are very welcome to them. I don't agree, but that's okay. I'm glad that for you, the show worked exactly as it was. I still loved the show, just felt that the threat of infection was underutilised. Though I will note that I did say a hoarde isn't necessary for any of those scenes. And I agree, we didn't need another hoarde. We had 2. I just felt that the threat was forgotten about, especially in later episodes. But that's my opinion, and you disagree, and that's cool 😊

Animation never gets the respect it deserves

Totally agree! I kinda expected a lot of bonding moments between Joel and Ellie cause that's basically the core of the story, and in some parts I feel like some of those moments are too rushed although I definitely don't want it to be super slow either, just a good portion of it would be perfect. But compared to a lot of garbage adaptations out there, this series nails it the most.

How is TLOUS2 flawed? Genuinely curious

​@@PeachesandCream225 the structure of the story is super weird. makes the whole abby portion of the game super tedious and poorly executed

Pacing is without a doubt the shows biggest issue.

Fr show would be legendary if so much time wasn’t wasted on the 2 backstory episodes (although the bill and frank episode is some of the best TV I’ve seen in a very long time)

@@darrenwang1576 come on mate you know that bill and frank episode was garbage😂😂you can be honest now you’re in a safe place

@@raymondsims7042 found the unhinged homophobe

​@@raymondsims7042 no, it wasn't.

So they made Joels decision less impactful? great...

That was my first thought of why they left it out before seeing the interview, while Pedro Pascal can do it incredibly after mandalorian, not everyone can

And (Hopefully) the Super Mario Bros Movie.

Don't forget about my boy Wreck it Ralph (it barely counts, but still)

The last of us is awful🤷‍♂️

Tlou was garbage and so was the Witcher🤷‍♂️tlou is definitely better than the Witcher tough to be fair.Witcher may be the worst show I’ve ever watched 😂😂

In my opinion TLOU is a well made show and I really enjoyed it, if u don’t like it that’s fine, not everyone has to have the same opinion. The Witcher on the other hand was painful to watch lmao

@@tinydream348 well at least we agree on that😂😂Witcher was fantastically bad

walking dead is far superior. i quit last of us because it was so damn boring and rewatched walking dead. not great, but solid, and they did great with the zombies.

Totally agree that they should have expanded way more Marlene and the fireflies. Show Marlene talking to the doctor and hell show Marlene talk to Ellie and lie to her...

I agree, I understand what he is saying and respect his perspective, but to me there were better ways to reveal the growing bond between Joel& Ellie. I didn't care for it. It was too abstract to me, and not obvious intiallu what they were doing and I don't like that I had to figure out why this episode was coherent with the show.

@@charissa6648 Yeah, I see what you’re saying. I think the episode was fan-fiction at best. Bill in the game arguably was meant to be non specific in his sexuality & they made the characters whole identity gay. Additionally, I think this undercuts ellies’ eventual reveal. & I don’t think they bonded much that episode, they were hardly even in it. Op said Joel started presenting conversations, no he didn’t, if anything he closed up a little because of the mention of Tess in the letter. It’s really not until they get to the brothers camp that you see their relationship take a leap, maybe during the Henry encounter..

@Vvmopz Very well articulated, and I agree! You are right. That episode didn't truly add to the character bonding between Ellie and Joel! It didn't fit at all to me. They took vital screen time between Ellie & Joel and their growing relationship in order to prop up a secondary characters' love story. It was bizarre. If a letter from Bill was enough to begin changing Joel and not all the trauma and suffering they endured together, then that's just poor screen writing. Tess pleading will Joel as her life was about to end should have held more weight than a letter from a man that was, I cannot say friends, because they were more like acquaintances; seems like reaching? and an excuse to tie in a story that held very little significance to the main characters' development. Although it was slow; I believe Ellies flashback episode fit and made perfect sense. I know what they were trying to do, but it doesn't seem like they succeeded. You want to watch a great show that does this better than any show I have ever watched? Watch the Last Kingdom. This is one of the greatest shows in terms of writing I have ever watched. I do not say that lightly. They were able to succeed where The Last of Us couldn't in that avenue. The way they tie in the secondary characters into the character development of the main character is brilliant. If you watch, come back and talk to me, please. It is a masterpiece in adaptations, and I have never been so attached to so many characters aside from the main character. They also did the complicated villan well and hero well. That is what episode 3 reminded me of, they were trying to tie in these characters to reveal more about the main character and using their past to reveal motives. Noone did it like the Last Kingdom.

@@charissa6648 Interesting, I have a brother that keeps recommending that show. I’ll def have to check it out 👍 I think we agree that ep 3 was poorly executed on a whole. Not to mention, even if you feel in love with the characters they die within one episode?! xD So on ep. 3 they felt it was a good idea to stop the main story to essentially create & kill off two characters in 1 episode, who aren’t essential to the story..

Arcane isn’t an adaptation, it’s a story set inside the same universe and the same goes for edgerunners, but edgerunners is much closer to 2077 in a lot of ways than Arcane is to League. If they took Cyberpunk 2077’s story and adapted it to the anime then it’s an adaptation, but it’s a completely new story. That’s why Cyberpunk 2077 itself isn’t considered an adaptation of Cyberpunk 2020. Usually video game “adaptations” go the route of not actually adapting the story and making a completely new one. These aren’t adaptations. The closest you could probably compare is the recent Halo show which clearly adapted but altered the story of Halo in the worse way possible and it shows how easily a true adaptation can fail. Another example is the Witcher show which isn’t an adaption of the game but the books, yet it alters too much because the writers of the show thought the books were shit and that they could do better. To adapt a story to the medium of movies or television you need to alter it in some way or another. This is true of all media being adapted from books to games to even historical events. Something in the game that you control isn’t as engaging when you’re not controlling it, which is why most of the combat in TLOU was removed as it’s purely there for the entertainment of the player. Sometimes that means a story needs to be radically altered, like Bill and Frank’s as it simply doesn’t make sense to have us watch Joel go rampage through Bill’s town to get a truck, it serves in game mainly as filler and it’d be worse in the show as we aren’t controlling it. The only part that advances the plot in Bill’s town is the outcome of Bill and Frank’s relationship and Joel getting a truck and some weapons. Meanwhile the sniper scene at the end of suburbs isn’t meaningless, as not only is it where Sam gets but it also shows a change in Joel as he’s worried about Ellie, Sam and Henry’s safety which he hasn’t cared about anyone really for a while other than Tess. The same is true for the final combat scene in the hospital, as it shows the lengths Joel will now go through to protect Ellie. This is why the show is the near perfect adaptation, it changes what needs to be changed, makes changes that actually improve the story in both the show and the game and stays faithful to the story for the rest. Edgerunners and Arcane don’t need to worry about that, they’re stories that exist in the same universe but aren’t adapting any existing story. Halo adapted a story and radically changed it because they thought they could do better than the original. That’s why TLOU breaks the curse, because the writers and director weren’t egotistical idiots who thought they could do better but rather they actually cared for the source material and went to great lengths to adapt it to a different medium. The problem with video game adaptations more often than not is that video game adaptations are not looked at as forms of art like novels, movies and tv are but rather a mindless form of entertainment like your average summer blockbuster. Only when that mindset is wiped out can video games be much better adapted. If video games were adapted the same way most books are the video game curse simply wouldn’t have existed.

Saying Arcane and Cyberpunk Edgerunners is an adaptation is like saying the Mandalorian is an adaptation of Star Wars.

@@fulcrum6760 Sure, but my point is, Arcane and Edgerunners broke the curse because finally execs gave a sht with plot or worlds strictly inspired or living in a video game. And yes, Cyberpunk had a tabletop game but Edgerunners is specifically from the video game's version of Night City

So because of that there was never a decision in the last of us. Which always bugged me.

Yeah if everyone was honest this show wouldn’t get nearly the praise it had gotten🤷‍♂️tlou was not very good tbh. It has way to be flaws to be considered a “great adaptation” at its best it’s mediocre

Not having the spores was a huge mistake and having the actors wear masks makes the world feel real and dangerous

Completely agree, I feel like Craig Mazin nearly butchered TLOU

You say that like it isn't true. 1. Only a certain sub-section of gamers would even know of it. 2. Anime is a niche in of itself. Combine those two and you're seriously suggesting that everyone knows about Arcane? C'mon.