"Ha, game of thrones." Caugt me of guard and made me giggle

Lots of people have stepped up to tell me the difference between Sytrus and the pole tension vs other synths like FM8 and position information. I'll definitely bring it up in the next tutorial stem the tide of confused people trying to do this in FM8 only to discover triangle waves don't behave like they thought they would :p

You probably know why it does that now. But I'll say it anyway. The FM synthesis is using the slope, (or specifically the derivative), of the modulator, rather than the amplitude. A triangle wave has only two slopes: One positive and one negative (assuming infinite harmonics). So what you end up with is only two pitches. The higher the amplitude or frequency, the farther apart these two pitches are. So you can also have it make the high pitch or low pitch more affected by the change by adjusting the shape parameter. I love your videos, Seamless! But if you ever get the time, and you haven't done so already, go through the Khan Academy Math pathway, with things like Calculus and Differential Equations, and the Laplace Transform. There's also a physics course on waves, and I think there are some good videos around the web on the Fourier transform. I don't mean to sound patronizing or something. I just had to take all these classes for EE and a math minor, and it really REALLY added a whole new depth to writing electronic music.

Do you need one? No, not really. I have one, but I rarely use it for actual production purposes. It's mostly for live performances (for totally unrelated things). What you should get depends entirely on what you want to use it for :]

The triangle does that because if you look at the shape of it, it's not on par time with as the sine wave is. It's modulating the LFO, so of course, the triangle waveshape is basically just in and out closing, I think you should get the same effect from a pulse wave, but the triangle wave is a half of a pulse wave's time span. The sine wave is a round shaped frequency wave, thus allowing all the frequencies to sweep in in a much greater depth and greater time span.

You can do it to an extent; the PM section of Massive is essentially equivalent to FM, but it automatically use a sine wave as the modulator. Similarly, if you use the "bend +/-" for the intensity setting, that is also FM. Again, only uses sine waves as modulators. If you are enterprising, you can set up an LFO and map it to an oscillator's pitch. But you'll have to tune the LFO rate to one specific note and then resample the result.

Triangles work better because the modulation of the frequency is determined by the slope of the modulating oscillator. Triangle wave has two slopes: up (lets say its slope is +.35) and down (lets say this is -.35) so when you put them together it modulates the frequency based on the two constant slopes (+.35, -.35) and this repeats as it oscillates! Sine waves have variable slopes, there's no constant up and down, it's more circular, which makes the frequency "wobble" more.

I am amazed how the process works easily at its basic start of fm synthesis

The reason that the triangle wave makes the pitch jump and the sine wave sweeps through has to do with the slope of the curves. The derivative of a sine wave is a cosine wave so it still causes the frequency to still sweep from high to low, whereas the derivative of a triangle wave isn't continuous so the slope instantaneously jumps from high to low. Simple calculus! :)

another excellent tutorial, thanks for the knowledge and keep up the great work!

Did I already reply to you? well, here's another if i did ;p The most universal way would be to find the pitch control for whatever you want to vibrato and create an automation clip for it which you then turn into an LFO. Most synths have built in methods for accomplishing vibrato.

mindblowing. Thanks for explaining this, Seamless :)

I love learning from other peoples experiences with sound so that i can create my own!!! this tut was very helpful!!! this is probably the best explanation of FM Synthesis as far as Vowel Filters vs actual synthesis!!!

Dude you sounded so much different!

Thanks for the tutorials, you definitely got a knack for getting great sounds. Another thing that helped was lookin up the vocal formant frequencies table, a nice reference to get certain vowel sounds.

Almost everything I ever wondered after watching some of your videos was answered in this, THANK YOU !

I have a few things to add to Seamless's answer- you can use small, fast pitch bends (going up, down, up, down,) to create a vibrato effect. You can also use the vibrato in Harmor, because Harmor is awesome.

Thanks for sharing! Helps me to understand sytrus a lot. Did anybody notice the cute minecraft icon at left bottom? : D

thanks for showing me these "bass"-ics, this is a good tutorial to "bass' my songs off of

subbed to your channel mate, thanks A LOT for your tutorials they are great :)

Seamlessly Awesome!!!

Your best bet to get a growl bass through massive is to use WOW filter and EQ manipulation. Twitch has a good tutorial on that on youtube and there are a few other sources available to you. It's universally applicable also so your DAW doesn't matter as long as you have the same node-based equalizer.

Thanks a million!

Thank You!

that helped out alot thank you

0:22 "Hi this is seemless" idk why but he sounds adorable

Awesome, thanks :)

Things that are words usually involve vocoders. I have a tutorial on that as well in How To Bass number 3 :]

1:10 "I would like more bass." - SeamlessR 2012

Awesome tutorial. I'm just now getting into fruity, the main reason is sytrus and harmor, I have played with fm8 alot so I think I will pick up fast on sytrus. This was a good into to sytrus.

thanks for the tutorial ;)

No. Massive is a WT synth. You don't have direct control over how the the FM works with those type of WT sets within Massive.

Awesome tutorial! And lol for the game of thrones theme :)

7:24 "Now I am going to show you a cool.." * KZfaq ad pops in*

Hi, I know this is an old video. But I thought I'd answer your unknown as to why the frequency sounds as if it's going between two pitches very quickly when you oscillate a triangle vs a sine, which sounds smooth. You may know this already, but for anyone else watching this video: If you picture the phase of a wave as a rotation around a central axis, a sine wave would be a circle and a triangle would be a square. The sharp right angled edges of the square (where the triangle changes direction suddenly) sound like a bounce between two pitches. This picture might help you see it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ComplexSinInATimeAxe.gif

Thanks

Using the principles from this video I was able to design a bass patch for the Kurzweil PC3 that was originally designed in Serum

Most helpful FM tutorial on the internet for this kind of stuff. Great work. Any idea on how to make consonants? (e.g. Kill the Noise Part 1., Talk to Me by Kill the Noise)

I use Sytrus and I just realized I've been doing this wrong through my whole life. I used square wave -> lowpass -> fruity squeeze. Thanks!

Man you have the best advanced tutorials on making synths on YT! And I have just one question: Is there any way to use glide/portamento function inside Sytrus ? I hate making it glide in Piano Roll.. Please help

Check out How To Bass 2: Bass Harder in my channel :]

nice tutorial bro.

thanks :)

Hey seamless, Your tuts have helped me make a giant leap towards producing decent dubstep.....Iv spent months trying to turn wobbles from NI massive into something that sounds like your resampling clips....no need to say i never succeeded. But now that I know how to make this type of sound,.Any tips or maybe a tutorial on the way on how to apply this knowledge into a track? Iv had no luck making samples that fit together,despite sounding awesome on their own,

Try using bitspeak for consonants. It makes any audio sound like a speak and spell, I'm pretty sure kill the noise uses this for those consonants

chilly sauce boss :)

Sir how to automate the knobs in the right the fx, in, out and the other 6?

Maybe the triangle wave has resonant points that are very pronounced and more instantaneous.... The sin wave rolls towards and a little beyond the harmonic frequencies.

After you go through a good amount of the fundamental tutorials, where do you suggest going from there? The tracks from scratch seem a bit too difficult where I'm at. But in the past month of doing these I know a hell of a lot more than when I started!

Did I hear the "Song of Storms" at 4:25? Cuz if that's the case, you just made my list of top 10 favorite people.

@ 5:01 isn't it obvious why it doesnt sweep like a sine? you just explained why in the beginning of the video. a square wave jumps to the othe freq. immediatly. a triangle will go less smooth than a sine wave.

1:23 xDDD Man your tutorials are informative AND funny

Actually now my problem is that the bass barely sounds like anything when the Modulation X is turned all the way down. When Modulation X is moved back and forth I did not notice any distortion.

if you change the frequency of the MOD2 to a minus value you get an engine growl :)

@seamlessR hey bro, could you explain this using Massive? & thnx for the rest of your tutorials!

if operator 2 is the fundamental frequency, would you call operator 1 the carrier frequency waveform?

I use a frequency shifter, most have a LFO on them.

hey seamless i have a question. so i have the fl studio 10 signature bundle and have harmor and harmless and such however it says demo and i can not seem to find where to download the full version or buy it. mind telling me what you did?

---Captain's log--- Date: 20-03-2016 Part: 0009 Note to self. Watch this video in the future. It's really good. Captain out!

Don't worry man. Massive only costs like close to 300 bucks... Which is close to the price of FL including sytrus...

Ruffneck bass at 6:06

From my little knowledge, I think the triangle wave does that because it has sharp peaks, but well, it can be other thing, probably... That's my opinion. :)

Thank you so much for these tutorials- tremendously helpful! I'm surprised nobody seems to have asked here though.... Who is AnneEPruitt?? =)

Also what this guy said! :]

Out of curiosity, how long will your sample pack be on sale for? I don't have the money to spend on it now, but I'm hoping to be able to scrape some money together for it soon. :D

I'm having some problems on my FM Bass. I don't get as much thickness or distortion. Plus I can't get the z key to be at the octave shown in the video. Can I get a detailed list of the preset setup?

Hello Seamless. If you can, could you explain how to achieve the synth sounding whatever its called in the song "M-Phazes - La La Lah (Instrumental)" at 0:17, 0:39, 1:01, and 1:22 would be very, very helpful. I use FL Studio 12 by the way and want to achieve it with the program's stock plug-ins. I really want to achieve this sound.

That Game of Thrones diddy has similar note progression to the last bar in Ocarina of Time's 'Song of Storms' :>

The first 2 links are not working anymore, any alternatives??

4:22 Zelda Song of Storms reference

Do you use a piano MIDI keyboard? I am thinking of getting one because i just got FL studio, what should i get? do i need one?

I thought I was? ;p Guess not. And, for right now anyway, I am plagued with not enough hard drive space. This makes recording comfortably long takes...un...comfortable...yeah. I agree with you though :]

What this guy said :]

How long have you been producing?

Thanks so much! Awesome tutorials, and your sample pack sounds sick - I'm more of a DIY kind of a guy tho, do you have any tutorials on how to make the fluxy sounding bass thats all throughout that pack?

Yeah, "How Even Does FM Synthesis" was me being silly. But I guess it was a bit much ;p

How do you record your tutorials while dealing with Edison's limited memory size?

2:43-2:45 doctor p big boss

is there a way to quickly alternate the x value to make it sound dubstep-ish?

Get an additional harddrive mate. I am short on space as well and if I want to install Komplete 8 and Project Sam's Orchestral Essentials I need a new drive soon. The Western Digital Caviar Blue are fast and quiet. Dont bother with the Black, they are not much faster but just louder and the Green are too slow.

Ok ...Subscribed..... :P And i've thought i know some shit bout Fl :)))) Man i was wrong :))

are you playing song of storms on purpose? 4:27 :)

It's the new price :] It'll be that way forever :]

did anyone else hear him play song of storms at 4:27 ?

Why can't I record fl with fraps but he can???

Poor John Chowning. He had some beatiful sounds in mind, all we do now is just wobble his invention.

Fucking Zelda !! hahaha i laughed at the part

You probably already know this already, but visit image-line(dot)com. Goto the products page and buy which FL Version you want. Make sure to check each versions features before buying! Bye!

your tuts are awesome . question. do you have a youtube channel for your minecraft?? you should if you dont;)

do you play minecraft alot ?

GAME of Thrones!!

thats why you buy or torrent komplete 8 ultimate, silly goose.

Tweakin' while doing the audio?

It's ok it was just a bit confusing haha

Oh.. I guess Madeon didn't get the memo.

What the fuck! First off, how did I not ever notice that, and secondly, do you happen to know why they are using the derivative instead of just the original wave? (BTW to anyone who is curious, a sine wave has a Cos slope, so the shape is the same, only the phase is different)

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dont buy one until you are good enough at producing to have real use of it. and dont buy it if you dont know how to play the piano.

Good video, but the title makes no sense.....