HOW TO BEND A SKI | More pressure or more edge?

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2 жыл бұрын

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@christopherlynch9888 Жыл бұрын

After years of really trying to get this concept through countless articles and videos, it took you 2 minutes and 2 seconds to make it abundantly clear!

@paullorenz6389 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Christopher. Glad it helped! You should check out the full video here: www.projectedproductions.com

@rickcertano2767 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul, crystal clear!!!

@MrWolfyWolfy 2 жыл бұрын

Apparently Noah was good at making arcs 😁

@thomasmedeiros5722 2 жыл бұрын

When you tip it momentum is your friend. It’s like riding a bike in that the faster you corner the more you can lay the bike over at a greater angle. If you are not moving or rolling slowly you will fall over if you try to tip the bike towards the side.

@whoormaster 2 жыл бұрын

well that was simple enough. thankyou

@luvski2007 2 жыл бұрын

such a clear and concise explanation! Thank you for posting this video. btw, I am very much enjoyed watching your "Legacy" videos!

@paullorenz6389 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the videos 😊

@user-vd6wb5ef8v 2 жыл бұрын

I understand edging and bending the ski. But pushing (applying pressire) makes no sense. You can't not to push the ski and you cannot push it more than your weight combined with the centrifugal force. Therefore the pressure does not depend on the skier. The skier can only distribute the pressure between the front and the end of the ski and between the internal and exteranl skis

@JT-mf6ey 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent

@daviddagg2264 2 жыл бұрын

Nice one

@FedericoTesta1 2 жыл бұрын

hot stuff mate

@AlexOlesov 2 жыл бұрын

So slicing is about static arches defined by the shape of the ski, but carving is about dynamic arch control. Is this the right idea? Thanks!

@jasonmcilvain7897 2 жыл бұрын

How high are those boots lifted? And what is the advantage? Also, do you use a booster strap?

@andreacolaianni6305 4 ай бұрын

cristal clear but do pressing with external leg help to reach that long leg feeling ? or this actually come naturally due to the angle ?

@OrlovIV Жыл бұрын

How to bend skies? like you showed it? By hand?

@inquistive Жыл бұрын

#PaulLorenz - when needed, how do you obtain maximum grip, for example on artificial snow which has been slid on by numerous skiers and boarders and so creating a bullet proof surface that is very difficult to maintain grip? Logic says to me that more edge angle would give more grip but if the edge angle was too much, less grip would result. In addition unless you have sufficient speed you cannot tip the ski onto a high edge angle so would you then just accept that ideal grip is not possible? For purposes of the question, assume that the skis are properly serviced and tuned. I would really welcome you thoughts on this subject as this type of surface troubles me and part of me thinks that I should just accept that little grip can be obtained but another part of me thinks, maybe I am missing something. PS I am not really talking about hard pack or icy snow produced by real snow, it is more specifically that caused by artificial snow as described above, which seems to be more and more prevalent these days, especially in lower resorts in Europe.

@Piggyn Жыл бұрын

The edges have to dig in, so you need more pressure on your outside ski. Firm/icy conditions increase the fear of falling, causing people to ride more in the back seat and lean more uphill, which makes it harder to initiate turns. Trouble turning causes skiers to pick up too much speed in the fall line, and then they get out of control.

@oakland439 Жыл бұрын

'as you can see, no matter how much you bend... the ground is in the way.' LOL

@DavidEButler 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video, but I was totally confused at your explanation of Slicing and Carving. It sounds like they are both based on the shape of the ski and both based on how much edge angle you create...? Please explain the difference more clearly.

@paullorenz6389 2 жыл бұрын

A clear explanation of the difference is provided in the full video (ROAD TO CARVING) found at www.projectedproductions.com/videolibrary

@DavidEButler 2 жыл бұрын

@@paullorenz6389 link doesn't play anything.

@lynnpiesnikowski9700 2 жыл бұрын

What's a good width underfoot for an intermediate skiers who can ski blacks and skis mostly groomers.

@zipperboy2008 2 жыл бұрын

75mm

@paullorenz6389 2 жыл бұрын

Yeh anything under 75mm is a good width. The narrower the ski, the easier it is to change edge during the transition and the less strain there will be on the knees when carving.

@lynnpiesnikowski9700 2 жыл бұрын

Great thank you. I am now skiing on an 84 and can't wait to see the difference the 75 will make. I appreciate your advice!

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

I should have said "press from the hip". More hip pressure more angular force against the ski spring force coming back off the snow. The side cut determines the radius of the arch. That is how I do it. I don't use my ankles to angle the edge. I use my leg extension to do that. Leg extension along with the pitch of the slope determines the edge angle.

@davesmulders3931 2 жыл бұрын

Both pushing against the outside ski, and outside leg extension are very bad habbits. Instead, you should always keep your outside leg flexed, and unweight your inside ski. Any good skiër will tell you they don't extend the outside leg further than absolutely needed (flexed is the goal) and they absolutely don't put deliberate pressure on the outside leg. The outside leg will obviously bear the load mostly, but it's controlling the inside ski pressure that matters. If you push against the outside ski deliberately, you will extend your leg inadversely and this gets you in a very vulnerable position. An overextended leg will have no way to cope with uneven terrain and will throw you off balance. Also, on black runs, you will lose edge grip and crash without any chance catching the slide.

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

@@davesmulders3931 performing an extension turn like this includes throwing the outside shoulder into the turn. Initiating this happens at the apex of the turn. The feeling is amazing and makes skiing so much more exciting. As well, the spring in the ski unloads as a snap and if balanced correctly the snap in both skis, loaded up under different loads, happens pretty close in unison. As both skis are crossing under your hips you swing back over with the opposite shoulder getting ready for initiating the next turn. Just an fn dance of exhileration.

@davesmulders3931 2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkMcelligottPeaches Are you joking? Throwing your outside shoulder in will make you lose edge grip on steep terrain instantly as it shifts weight to your inside ski and will force your body to lose angulation. You body cannot angle enough sideways at the hip sockets. Carved turns with extended outside leg are good for photographs and video as it looks spectacular. It's however not the way to make high performance turns safely on any terrain.

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

@@davesmulders3931 Works for me and feels fantastic. The shoulder I meant was the one outside of the arch. So that would be the shoulder closest to the hill. Tough to explain but it is totally stable and boy the ski spring just pops out.

@davesmulders3931 2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkMcelligottPeaches Outside leg, outside ski, and outside shoulder are on the same side of your body at any given time. Turn that outside shoulder into the turn and you lose edge grip. On steep slopes a couple of degrees is enough. Outside the curve is furthest away from the slope in the second half of the turn. Inside the curve is closest to the slope. An arc is part of a circle. And we don't call the inside of a circle the outside. Anyway, the main point is that pressurizing the outside leg, extending the outside leg, and driving the outside shoulder into the turn are all things to avoid. If it works for you, that's great, but it is bad advice for others that are still trying to learn. Let's not forget that world cup skiers often extend their outside leg as it's the only way to cope with the immense forces they are able to produce on WC-stiff boots, ski's and race plates. Often resulting in crashes. For us mere mortals, it's no good to ski that way.

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

No it is a press of the hip that puts more pressure on the edge on top of the centrifical motion.

@shooter7a 2 жыл бұрын

Pressing against WHAT? You need something to press against. If out press harder against the ski than the force from turning (f = ma + g....where a is the acceleration due to turning and g gravitational force) then what happens? You get taller. There is nothing to push against. You can not put any more pressure on the ski that the turning action forces demand. This is where the skill comes in. You adjust your edge angle to match the turning forces.

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

@@shooter7a rotational force. Ever take a spinning bicycle wheel and turn it across its axis. Might surprise you. Bigger the wheel greater the force. That's the force I use when extending my leg opposite to the turn. Feels amazing. And I don't use any ankle.

@shooter7a 2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkMcelligottPeaches yes...that is what I said.... a = lateral acceleration due to curved path. Go take an Engineering class....

@MarkMcelligottPeaches 2 жыл бұрын

@@shooter7a I am a computer scientist with 6 years of physics and have a pilots license. I understand mass and gravity quite well. Sounds like you are a typical American Dreamer who has nothing to do but tell people what to do. And the curved path is from the press on the ski due to the extension of the leg. That is what I was stating. Edge angle is not all of it.

@shooter7a 2 жыл бұрын

@@MarkMcelligottPeaches then you should know better than saying "the hip puts more pressure on the edge on top of centrifical motion". Which is gibberish. Show me the word centrifical. Some who actually had the education you claim would NEVER use that word. And "6 years of Physics?" What curriculum was that part of....lol.

@shooter7a Жыл бұрын

What many people do not realize is that you can have too much edge angle. Skiers that do this will have a large angulation side break at their waist. They will achieve very high angles, but do so while going slow. Because they are going slow, there is not enough turning forces to stay in balance, so they shift their upper body OUTWARDS to balance early in the turn. This is 100% incorrect skiing. One reason you do not see world cup skiers do this is that it is a weak position. Try holding 3+ Gs turning force with that huge side break in your waist. It is NOT about just edge angles. High edge angle leads to high loads when you are going fast, and the body must handle those loads. That means you must achieve high edge angles in a position that can handle massive loads. When I see someone bragging about dragging a hip, and their upper body is has a 45 degree angle to the turning forces axis (roughly in line with the legs) I just laugh. It is incorrect skiing that comes about when you do not understand what the real goal is, and you prioritize one parameter....edge angle. Watch top WC GS or SG skiers. Look that their overall body position just before and at the fall line in a turn. Their upper body is leaning in....with very little angle between the torso and the leg/force axis. Edge angles are developed through vertical separation NOT waist break. This is one reason I do not recommend the Schlopy drill. It builds bad habits of using waist break to increase edge angles. With top skiers only at the fall line and after does the waist side break start to develop. This is part of finishing the turn. The body is vaulting over and crossing the path of the skis. One benefit of having a large waist break / side break is us less talented skiers can adjust our dynamic balance. But it is a weak position. WC skiers are so precise in their control and edging that they do not need as much margin to adjust. So they can lean their upper body in much more. They have less side break...maybe 10-15 degrees in stead of 25-45 degrees you see in so many intnet "edge agle heroes" The straighter body and high vertical ski separation of a WC skier is a STRONG position, like the very last part of a squat. Which is exactly what you are trying to achieve in a high performance turn. You are trying to perform a one legged cheater squat so on one leg...so you can support 4G turning forces.

@xm9047 3 ай бұрын

actually, many WC skiers will employ a further "waist break" (in your words), in order to create a shorter/straighter racing line between the gates, while avoiding collisions with the gates (less "waist break" means that the skis will have to be further away from the poles/gates and thus a longer racing line). Furthermore, by having a more upright upper body, it is easier/safer to fly-by the poles, as the body becomes more parallel to the poles (imaging hitting the pole when the body/head is at 90 degrees to the pole, ouch...). Additionally, WC skiers will have their backs facing the poles when passing gates (just google images of Marco Odermatt) to get further closer to the poles.