And they were fast asf almost lmh/lmdh pace and quicker than lmp2

Or better yet, GT500. Those cars are even faster than DTMs, are also not regulated by BoP (though I dunno if they still have the success ballast), and still exist today.

The history of the DTM as a series and the development of the cars

Loved those DTM cars bespoke carbon bodies so light so much downforce race more like single seaters but also expensive in the end why the started using GT3 cars now in DTM sadly don’t like them as much

​@@epitosu6461they do have success ballast based on point standings (*2 for GT500, *3 for GT300)

Great suggestion.

On the other hand, Super GT's (the Japanese racing series, not the KZfaqr) GT300 class can match and, often, post faster times than GTE.

It is (or now used to be) that GTEs had way more developed aero, but current GT3 gen is, almost has, caught up to that. They also featured a better suspension as far as I know.

i just commented the same thing even before reading your comment 😅

​@@TheGamingHungaryyeah GTE underbody aero was more efficient too. They had less drag than GT3 cars aswell. But I also rememner hearing the tires they used was of a higher grade with more grip🤔

I love that smiling front grill of 488 gte/gt3, such a good looker.

The 296 race car is so Sexy especially in the way it is fabricated.

Watch GTWORLDCHEU Race

How come we don't see it much? Is it just really expensive or not that fast?

​@@bonifacelukosi9580Pretty much

I have never especially liked the Merc but having been to last weekend’s DTM race I gotta say it’s also the best sounding car in the series by a fair margin!

@@wiegraf9009 sounds like an angry machine yes

@@christianb.4385 To me it actually sounded a bit more musical than the angry roars and buzzes of the other cars. Had a clear note to it.

@@wiegraf9009well it uses the 6.2 NA V8 which is one of the best sounding road car engines

Yeah you can always tell when their are feilds of em in GT3 championships around the world. The AMG evo I think is still the META irl as you said it's more approachable. The 296 maybe the better race car as of now. But the AMG evo seems to be way more accessible. I'd say before the AMG evo the metal may have been the 488, and before that the R8 LMS ultra before 2015 globally anyway.

BoP

Only due to BOP without BOP front Engined car would be slower than Mid and Rear one

@@fqeagles21 no GT3 cars are designed to run without BOP, BOP is the whole point of the ruleset

@@Milano322 I know that’s why the M4 could be competitive,without it not a chance

One of the best sounding GT cars for shure, you could make out the sound between a whole group of cars on track.

Audi? Dominating? The last few years? Are you smoking crack? Audi dropped to two cars in 2021 in imsa because they were pulling back support. They had no logistical support in 2022/2023 leading to WRT going to BMW. 2024 will have them kill their program (their words). Thats 3 years of no support and very little cars in the north american market. The image is the same in europe.

Thanks for the sub!

It's simply a very good design for all their requirements. It's a spherical shape, which allows smallest volume, lowest weight and reliability. Maybe expansion bottle design is good stuff for a future video.

this is really hard to tell for us as non participants because there a lot that factors that we don't know about or information is hard to come by. Like costs, support and quirks of the cars. stuff like AMG not having auto engine ignition once it drops from the jacks so it often loses like second or two in the pits(commentators on paul ricard race mention it few times). How hard or easy it is to work on cars, how hard it is to set up maybe it is great car for pro team and pain for others. I always try to keep all that in mind and the fact that thing are changing from year to year, like the fact that audi is no longer supported, it had nothing to do with cars performance. Then you have to take into account stuff like that certain cars have cups like super trofeo, Porsche whichs makes them ideal packages for teams coming from those etc

@@MarkoLomovic Yeah, it's true that there are a lot of factors beyond pure speed. BoP means teams have to focus on a lot of these details which can make a difference. Support is an interesting factor, WRT leaving Audi for BMW seemed like a big turning point in GTWC, the R8 is still competitive but has taken a small step backward. Can't wait for Spa this weekend!

@@aojracing4885 it is not that WRT left audi and more with the fact that audi left GT for F1. if I remember correctly they had to scramble fast to find new partnership because they want to have stable platform for foreseeable future. it is better to get new car right away and start learning and improving then have another season with car that is not going to be supported any longer. by 2026 we will have hurracan replacement, new AMG, Ferrari is going to get developed further etc while audi is just gone. Support is interesting factor and not only in equipment and cars but also in data, knowledge and training etc You can imagine that what for example audi learns from all the teams can be shared around. Even small stuff like car operations.

Not an expert but it depends, it's said that only ~40-60% of road car parts are shared with the GT3 model, generally the chassis engine/block and drivetrain layout. As explained in the video, there were cars like the Z4 GT3 and Bentley Contentinental GT that shared very little with the road car and cars like the R8 LMS and 911 GT3R being an example of how manufacturers marketing their road cars as very similar to other race version.

I know the engine on the Ferrari 296 GT3 is the same as the road car and also the same thats in the 499p hypercar.

It's quite a standard system in racing. You weld in 3 or 4 tubes into the body, fix the pneumatic cylinders and connect them to the external connector. When the car comes in, you connect the pressure bottle to the car and the jacks go down. If you release the bottle, the jacks go back in.

@@BSport320 Thanks for the reply. It also seems it weighs just about a kg and a half for each corner. Less than I expected.

kzfaq.info/get/bejne/f56fmc5638zYXac.html Good information here. It’s V8 Supercars but the systems are similar worldwide.

Keep in mind, the IMSA C8.R is currently running in GTD Pro (basically professional GT3). Not entirely wrong, but yeah, a different picture works better.

Ferrari 296 street version is probably faster than GT3 un traction and straightline

The GT-R is still competitive in Super GT and Super Taikyu. Unfortunately, it's rarely used outside of Japan anymore.

@@albert_gyorgy yeah man so sad

@@JoshuaC923 It's sad indeed, but not unexpected. The R35 is 15 years old and even the GT3 version is more than 12 years old by now. It did get a lot of upgrades, but that doesn't make the base any newer. I do have a slight hope though, since they might update the GT3 after the road car's facelift.

@@albert_gyorgy agreed, fingers crossed!

Ive heard merc is pretty good with the handling and throttle too, also bothe Merc and porsche do look like they have great pace

Mercedes and Audi are easily the most common. Audi is probably more common in Europe compared to Mercedes but they have no factory support in America so no one runs them there.

There are a lot of old GT3s that haven't been used in ages, so it's basically impossible to determine what the rarest GT3 is. My guess would be the Emil Frey Jaguar G3 because there were only 2 of them ever built, but it's not an FIA homologated car which means it's technically not even a GT3.

JAF GT300s (and MCs) are nothing like GT3s lmao.

@@kartaltoth684 I know2. But it's nice to know racing cars that can compete with GT3 spec cars

GT500 are totally different. They are not related to their road car equivalents at all. They shared regulations with DTM until it collapsed (again) and these are silhouette prototypes with bespoke racing chassis and turbocharged i4s (previously NA V8s) dressed under body vaguely similar to the road car.

All I know is that GTE cars are built for racing and have more aero freedom than GT3 cars. As for GT3 I think the chassis has to come from the road car

@@m3lgar582 but Ferrari offer a kit that can change a 488 GTE to GT3 spec and vice versa. So it's not that fundamental.

@@Scotracer1987 Thats true. But only applies for Ferrari and Aston Martin that run the same cars Vantage and 488 in both categories (although not for Ferrari anymore). The exception is Porsche and Corvette. And even for next year Corvette aren't converting there C8.R into a GT3 and just making a new car entirely based on the Z06 of course putting there GTE experience into there new GT3 car

I mean intake and exhausts are symmetric. So either an exhaust either side and intake in the middle. Or hot stuff in the centre and an intake either side. Asymmetric would be an inline engine with intake on one side and exhaust on the other.

@@BSport320 Thanks, now its clear! Agree on that!

Gt3 is how racing should be! If people are honest who really wants single seater or middle managers company car racing.

I believe they are in fact the fastest prototype/silouette around. With the retirement of the LMP1s, being faster than the LMHs they are at the top.

@@lw8249 as mentioned GT500s are Silhouettes pretending to be GTs (not Touring cars). Pace wise they were faster than LMH last year though I'd expect this year to be equal with CNF losing 500s about a second and LMHs BoP no longer being based around Glick's pathetic attempt of a car.

They must be RWD

you would have a really hard time building fwd car to the GT3 level. fwd are hardly limited in perfomance, touring class is the best you got

@@maximborodyuk3773 this is of course not mentioning Ratel would throw you out for suggesting that. The upcoming Mustang already annoyed him to no end and he would've stopped it on it's tracks had he learned of it in time. He doesn't want "cheap" cars like the Mustang. And on the topic of the Civic, Honda is building a GT500 spec to replace the NSX. While not FWD it will be a comical thing as GT500s were faster than Hypercars last year around Fuji by a margin.

@@kartaltoth684 you making shit up as you talk lol It doesnt matter what he personally wants and I don't think person of his position would be thinking in this categories. There is a regulations and cars being built by them. There is BMW M4 GT3 (and other models previously) that is exactly in the same class with Mustang (comparing road going versions). And they're in GT3 class for years. Also, all GT3 cars priced more or less similarly, comparing their road going counterparts are kinda dumb.

Yes exactly that. Each car has 3-4 air jacks integrated in the car, so they can quickly lift it during pit stop. They use an external pressure bottle which has a connector somewhere at the car.

@@BSport320 Cool

I think the RS7 wouldn't be a good basis. It's basically the same issue as what the BMW M6, Bentley Continental had (with Bentley using the Audi platform). So it's much too big, heavy and the engine is in the wrong position. Also the RS7 body creates far too much lift, which would have to be compensated by bigger wings, resulting in higher drag

Not entirely wrong given that Corvette had to mod (tone down) it in order to compete in basically GT3 (GTD Pro) in IMSA.

Probably the cost of maintaining the hybrid components is the barrier, more so for privateers.

@@pmayo7894 I don't think the hybrid system needs to he maintained all that much. I believe it's more just the sheer cost of the hybrid system, it would make the cars much more expensive and the drivers would need to learn how to use it. That means higher costs for privateers and less sales for the manufacturers. So it wouldn't really be beneficial for anyone.

Eventually... Populism will make it the only option to have any ICE racing.

Current gen 4 cly engines are topping out at 2- 2.4 liters. With the 500 HP reference we are talking of 200/250 hp/litre, ain't gonna be cheap make it reliable for endurance

Only if it's a hybrid.

Only the GT1 cars use the V8, the GT3 retains the VR38.

​@@albert_gyorgy - I'll need to correct: the BRZ GT300 is a JAF-GT300-spec car not Mother Chassis. It's easy to tell since the latter always use a GTA-branded Nissan V8.

@@pmayo7894 I'm sorry for spreading misinformation

@@albert_gyorgy - don't worry, not a lot people understandably has a hard time differentiating a JAF-GT300 car from one made under the Mother Chassis specs. The prior comment should help them short-term.

@@pmayo7894 I was wondering and I even searched it up and an article mentioned it as a mother chassis car (or I misunderstood something).

@@albert_gyorgy - three specs are available for GT300: the FIA GT3, JAF-GT300 (which the Subaru uses), and Mother Chassis (the ones where they always use the Nissan V8s). The BRZ uses the EJ20, so it's a JAF-GT300 car.