That sounds amazing honestly, I'd LOVE that in most green decks Id play

What, that's crazy cool

What if you gave it lifelink? would it still kill you?

@@DavidR-5797 its not doing damage

Imp's Mischief is a surprise for the tale every time I cast it. I love that card!

I have an average of 89 Mana and 30-73 cards drawn per game in my mono white ramp deck. I highly concur don't let anyone tell you white is a weak colour.

White is also just extremely good at never missing a land drop. People underestimate that a lot, but it comes up surprisingly often that a game's on turn 10, my mono-white deck has 10 lands out (plus two more in hand) while the other players are sitting at 6-7. Ramp-wise, I'll admit that white's catch-up ramp cards are often underwhelming at my LGS tables. However, what it does have that no other color gets is a ton of ways to return permanent cards from the 'yard. Brought Back, Sevinne's Reclaimation, Serra Paragon, Sun Titan... all these cards ramp you if you're using sacrifice lands to fetch or as utility. Even better, they become great recursion/protection options in the later game once mana isn't a factor. White ramp cards often get *better* as the game progresses, unlike green ramp which tends to become less impactful the longer the game goes. There's zero question in my mind that white is the second best ramp color. It's not even remotely close - black can *cheat* mana in a couple ways, and red has their two or three overpowered treasure generators, but white blows them out with it's consistency and flexibility in ramp.

I disagree on a pedantic note firstly. EDH isn't about playing everything "correctly" it's about having a good time. cEDH is about "correct" plays but that ain't for most of us.

@@dwpetrak if that’s your approach why care about the ‘goodness’ of cards at all? Playing cEDH and playing correctly are not equivalent. I was responding to his claim that Tibalts Trickery wasn’t good on the grounds that the circumstances in which he described it’s use weren’t the circumstances in which it ought to be played. His evaluation of ‘goodness’ was contingent upon a flawed best use case.

​ @Lucio I'm learning about logical fallacies and that sounds like a Straw Man. I agree when you say: "Played under these circumstances it is invaluable in non-blue red decks" I'm just trying to say that you shouldn't tell people how they HAVE to play a card in EDH. Modern/Legacy or another competitive format sure, but this is neither. In general and specifically in this format it's less advisable to say "you must only do it this way." Maybe try something like, "this card is at its best when..." definitely If you want my armpit -er my opinion: I contend that the spell is good, further using it to counter something "good"' is not wrong. For this card to be effective all you need to so is downgrade the spell it countered. Unless I'm crazy, effectively downgrading an opponent's play (for 2 mana) is "good" in any contest. Statistically every deck runs more support cardboard (lands, rocks, low impact permanents) than win cons/engine pieces so the odds are good. Everyone I have met likes to play good cards and feel effective, let's not be silly.

@@dwpetrak 13:45 'i don't like it myself personally... it's about 50/50 where the scenario becomes worse... it can be very tempting for you when you have a counterspell in your hand and your opponent is casting a good card, you tend to wanna counter it and then they end up exiling and casting something better'. How am I straw-manning? He is saying he doesn't like the card because it regularly makes the situation worse. My point is that if you only counter that which directly will win your opponent the game, (craterhoof, big black 'X' spell, combo piece, expropriate etc) or prevent you from winning the game, then the likelihood of the 'scenario becoming worse' is nonexistent. I'm not telling people how they 'HAVE' to play the card, I'm saying that when played in the manner mentioned (countering something 'good') it is far worse than when played correctly and the card's quality should not be evaluated based upon a poor use case.

I discovered it while building Yargle and it's awesome!

100% auto include in a Traxos deck

Lapse of Certainty was printed in Conflux in the Alara block. Mana Tithe is based on Force Spike. Otherwise, I wholeheartedly agree.

I think mana tithe is a great flavor white counterspell. It punishes a player who oversteps and goes all in on a mana cost

Just put this on the maybe board for my Firesong and Sunspeaker deck.

Why is there a typo on Dawn Charm though??

@@OniTreefolk only on the Commander Legends version. The Ultimate Masters and Planar Chaos ones don't have the typo

Stave Off - W instant: Target creature gains protection from the color of your choice until either. It's simple but effective.

i didn't really think of nether void as a counter. more of a tax. but i guess it actually does counter.

Aether gust ( ;

Molten Influence is not a payment of life, it's a choice to take damage, so Yasharn wouldn't work even if he was in the right colors

Those kinds of prevention effects wouldn't work since they always say "to cast spells or activate abilities"

i use molten in my torbran deck its normally like take 12 or 24 dmg or let me counter it and sometimes i get it on my Isochron Scepter

not actual counterspells.

Bahahahahahaha that's a fun thought of watching your opponent spill their spell on the floor in a giant splatter

yes. i always read the errata text.

@@edhdeckbuilding now I see that and the 6th edition printing which has the correct text, I should've looked at that before asking lol

Chalice of the void on 0 doesn't stop FoW, FoN, Daze, Fierce Guardianship ect. The free modes on those cards don't change the CMC/mana value of the counterspell.

@@vilesbr1424Thanks for reminding me. I really don't like it when something is cast for free. The pact cycle is still cut off and that is enough for me.

i think of that as more of a tax effect but i suppose it technically counters.

It's 80$ for the 65 cheapest ones.