How to Create Catalogue White: OnSet ep. 199

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Join Daniel Norton OnSet as he shows you the best way to set up one of the most asked for lighting scenarios. Whether they call it “cut out” or simply “On White” clients are always looking for images on a clean white background. Learning how to light this type of shot will save you time (and thus money!) in post production.
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@GavinHoey
@GavinHoey 5 жыл бұрын
Metering the back of the models head, good job! And thanks for the shout out :)
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
🙏🏻
@davidcolephoto
@davidcolephoto 5 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know about that, so definitely thanks for that tip!
@MegaNardman
@MegaNardman 5 жыл бұрын
I learn more about photography from Daniel Norton in 5 minutes than I do from other photographer's seminars, which can run several hours. Thank you very much for the (always) awesome content!
@60secondmediauk
@60secondmediauk 5 жыл бұрын
She's just perfect!! great video Daniel, you explain everything you do so clearly.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Leon Wall thanks!
@garys639
@garys639 5 жыл бұрын
Another excellent 6.37 mins.My 7' Westcott is white,thanks for the explanation for using silver.
@Oculus729
@Oculus729 5 жыл бұрын
You're the best. Always clear, quick and to the point. Thank you.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@l34rn25
@l34rn25 5 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial Daniel! I really dig all your tutorials. Makes me proud when I can replicate what you do. Thank you so much.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome
@gregorysargeant6305
@gregorysargeant6305 5 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos straight to the point,thanks.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
thanks
@sabesyed222
@sabesyed222 5 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated, oh wise one! THE legendary lighting guru 🙏🏽
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Mr09260
@Mr09260 5 жыл бұрын
I learnt a lot from this tutorial Video Daniel
@josephchan4198
@josephchan4198 Жыл бұрын
Good refresher course for clothing or jewelry model for website or ECommerce. I am testing Nikon D3000 for practice product Photography and self-Portrait. Great work as always.
@MikeJamesMedia
@MikeJamesMedia 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Daniel and Erica. And... Hurrah, for more full-length shots! As much as I love the head shots, and see the reason for them, I do like seeing those extra details like cool clothing choices and interesting shoes. Call me old school, but I like all those extra curves in the overall form, too. You're looking happy, Erica!
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
🙌🏻
@lenspassions
@lenspassions 5 жыл бұрын
Great video your video always help me to shoot better
@chargingbuffalo6037
@chargingbuffalo6037 5 жыл бұрын
very educational....appreciate the great video!
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@definedphotography
@definedphotography 5 жыл бұрын
"We'll do like 2 more.... " *takes 10 shots* ... my kind of shooting :) Thanks, as always, for the tips & information.
@JimResnikoff
@JimResnikoff 5 жыл бұрын
Great vid Daniel.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hRt42kuo7jTtmk14
@hRt42kuo7jTtmk14 4 жыл бұрын
Great pro-tip on metering the light behind the model to check the bounce light from the background for flair. I usually make sure the model is a good 6-8 feet away from the white background to reduce the risk of flair as well. Also, you could have increased the power on the background light on the side opposite to the umbrella by half a stop and then decreased the power half a stop on the background light that is on the same side of the umbrella. This would have given you a more even lighting exposure on the background.
@LyndonPatrickSmith
@LyndonPatrickSmith 5 жыл бұрын
Great model, great video. Did you set the meter to match ISO on the camera? I usually shoot with a Fuji X-T2, and I find that base ISO 200 is closer to ISO 100. So if the meter matches the camera ISO, I'm underexposed by about a stop. I think the ISO discrepancies between camera brands is one of the reasons a lot of newer photographers just skip using the flash meter.
@btownjpl
@btownjpl 5 жыл бұрын
To get even lighting on the background, does your left B1X light the left hand side, and the right one the right, or do you criss-cross them?
@brettstrickland
@brettstrickland 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Daniel. Love that umbrella and appreciate the explanation about getting the details and Black blacks vs. grey. How’s that savage multiflex stand holding up?
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks! The stands are great!
@photo2000
@photo2000 Жыл бұрын
Excellent tut. Everything that Daniel says is 100%. I wanted to add something that may be overlooked. Throwing light onto background to get right in camera, may seem like the correct way to shoot this type of shot... speed whole process up and limit post work. However, when light is coming from the background, whether from background lights shown here, or even reflected light from the key light... this is going to strike the edge of model and garment. And this is fine if model is going to remain on white background. But if model is going to be deep etched, and then placed on a background that isnt pure white, some issues may arise. The light that is striking edge of model from the background, is not going look correct in this case. To get around this, it is sometimes better to shoot with mid to light grey as background, so there is minimum light striking edge of model. They can still be deep etched to be placed on white background, but also placed on a variety of tones without looking out of place.
@a.b.6624
@a.b.6624 5 жыл бұрын
quick and fine! Greetings from Berlin ;-)
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Alan Bee 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@DennisWachtel
@DennisWachtel 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! You have a DSLR, with her moving constantly, your camera on a tripod, where is your focus point? (On the eye...or with F8 on the waist, so the eyes could be in focus?) Your photo-taking speed is quite high so you don't change focus point?
@randyr.parker2698
@randyr.parker2698 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel, you're fortunate to have such lovely, shapely models. Can't find them in my part of the country. Erica is simply beautiful! I have to go back and watch this again to make sure I'm understanding the setup, but is the umbrella the 7 footer? Also, haven't seen Marisa in your videos, or 'Adorama lives' lately, is she still helping you? Miss seeing her 'down to earth' style! :) Oops! I went back and listened again and this time caught the 7' umbrella comment. LOL!
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Randy R. Parker yes, 7 foot! Marisa is on the docket soon.
@geko9425
@geko9425 5 жыл бұрын
Really nice Tips! Also that You mentioned Gavin 😀 was helpful. I learn from You both! Erica is a really good model, also a nice Insta Account!
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
GE KO Gavin is amazing, both as a person and a photographer
@andrewn7329
@andrewn7329 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent Daniel, thank you. Please tell me why you didn’t use your Scrim Jim?
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Cando the umbrella is a little easier to move around if need be
@b991228
@b991228 3 жыл бұрын
Is minimal post processing done? Am I right in assuming that the client is expecting you to be producing a huge amount of images for the catalogue layout.
@AndersCMadsen
@AndersCMadsen 5 жыл бұрын
I just remembered something from when I had a much smaller studio space than today. It's a technique that can work for you if you have a reasonably wide studio space but lacks depth and it only requires a couple of V-flats (two large foam-boards taped together in the middle). Perhaps it could be of use to some, I don't know - but here goes anyway: I would place the V-flats slightly behind the model and just out of frame, and open them up to around 90-120 degrees with the tape seam pointing forward and the white surface pointing backwards. Then I would position my two background flashes almost at the background, firing into the open V-flat so the light would bounce back on the background in a huge, pretty even wash of light. There would be two advantages to this method: 1) You will not get any hot spots on the background. I think it was J. P. Morgan who made a video showing that no matter the size of your modifier, the falloff from the center of the light is almost the same at a given distance when lighting a flat wall. Basically this means that you will almost always have a hot spot right behind the model (potentially causing flare) and have falloff at the edges. Shooting into V-flats will bounce the light around inside the V-flat before reflecting it on the background and make the reflected light much less prone to hot spots. 2) Less space required between model and background. Even when using standard reflectors (which gives you a pretty directional light) you have to be careful not to have any spill from your background flashes onto the sides of the model, so the distance from model to background is largely dictated by the distance required from the flash to background in order to have a sufficient spread of light to create a reasonably even light across the entire background. There are two (perhaps three) disadvantages to this method: 1) It requires quite a lot more space on both sides of the model - those V-flats are not small and the flashes will usually go even further out to the side of the background. 2) Reflecting light from a white surface eats up a portion of the light, and on top of that, the distance from your flash (positioned at the background, pointing forward) to the V-flat and back to the background is probably longer than when shooting directly at the background - lack of distance was kinda the idea behind this. Both of this means that you will need a more powerful flash to pull this off - but still, a 400-600 Ws unit should do fine. 3) Depending on you V-flat, you may suddenly have a black surface almost directly beside your model (most V-flats a black on one side and white on the other), and that may not be what you want - it will deepen the shadows on the side of the models face and clothing to some extent. It may not be a problem, but it is something to be aware of, though. Also, be careful not to have any of the light from the background flashes hit your model or your camera lens - the V-flats must perform cover for both or you will have either unwanted rim light on the model or potentially flare in your lens.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Anders C. Madsen thanks for the LONG post lol - good technique and if you float back about a year I made a video on it 😊
@WatchThatFirstStep
@WatchThatFirstStep 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel, I couldn't understand what you said at 2:28. Sounded like "and it reads 5, 6, 9. That's f8, basically". That part was confusing. Otherwise, another brilliant OnSet.
@BruceWalkerPhotography
@BruceWalkerPhotography 5 жыл бұрын
Chuck, most digital light meters read out in full stops -- "5.6" -- plus tenths of a stop -- "9" -- which is nine tenths of stop above f:5.6. So Daniel's light was 1/10th stop below f:8 -- close enough for his purpose. Cheers!
@tw9535
@tw9535 5 жыл бұрын
Meters can read in decimal. What he (probably) said was f5.6 .9, which means f5.6 and then add .9 (9/10) more to that. That leaves you just .1 (1/10) away from the next stop, which is f8.
@AndersCMadsen
@AndersCMadsen 5 жыл бұрын
Your aperture goes 4 - 5.6 - 8 in whole stops. What Daniels says is that the meter says 5.6 and 9 (nine tenths of a stop), which means that it is one tenth of a stop down from f/8.
@WatchThatFirstStep
@WatchThatFirstStep 5 жыл бұрын
That makes sense. Thank you, everyone.
@410f1st
@410f1st 2 жыл бұрын
Does the umbrella have any diffusion?
@wenyulian9584
@wenyulian9584 5 жыл бұрын
Daniel, thanks for this video. Your lighting video are always great. I have a question: you metered the background as f8, and you metered her face as f5.6. Which f-stop did you use? F5.6or f8?
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 3 жыл бұрын
Capture One showed f7.1
@cavinciguerra
@cavinciguerra 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Daniel! Thanks for all your videos, they help a lot! I have a question, if you don't mind, which file you deliver to the customer? I mean, is it Jpg, is TIFF, wich quality? Thanks a lot man!
@smalltalk.productions9977
@smalltalk.productions9977 2 жыл бұрын
i always deliver jpg. i keep the final edited tiff on my hard drives just in case the client ever needs them. thumbs up.
@Itsdaraj
@Itsdaraj 5 жыл бұрын
great how to video! Gives me some creative ideas for videos for my channel! :)
@Selfpowered
@Selfpowered 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Daniel, are the white flecks (lint I guess) that were on the black dress something that you'd deal with before delivering the files, are they an accepted part of clothing, or would someone clean up the clothing first?
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Selfpowered on an actual catalog shoot I’d have the stylist constantly on top of that.
@AndersCMadsen
@AndersCMadsen 5 жыл бұрын
Measures f/8.0 on the background. Measures f/8.0 on the model. Capture One shows that you shoot at f/7.1 the whole shoot. You rebel, you! ;) In all seriousness, that is probably the right way to shoot a catalogue shoot - in general you do want that extra brightness and crispness, and had you shot at f/8 you would have had your background show up even further down the histogram than you already have. It would not be a disaster, but essentially you would be giving up some dynamic range once you correct the background to complete white in post production. Personally I think that it's already a bit low for a white background for my taste, but like you said, too much light off the background will cause flare, and from your previous videos it is clear that you don't have much leeway in terms of moving everything further away from the background to reduce the light from it hitting the model. Nice video and very well laid out - all the info is there and is very easily understandable.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Anders C. Madsen indeed!
@hi-imbandi4859
@hi-imbandi4859 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tutorial, Any idea why when I up my shutter speed above 1/250 the image turn black? I using Elinchrom 500 ELC pro HD. thanks you
@lgm9324
@lgm9324 3 жыл бұрын
Because your camera is limited to a flash sync of 1/250 (which is more determined by your camera than your particular flash.) If you haven't already done so, look into Adorama's channel for a video going over high speed sync; there are quite a few.
@johndutchie
@johndutchie 5 жыл бұрын
🙌🏻
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
John Ruisch 🙏🏻🙏🏻
@kentaufderheide8454
@kentaufderheide8454 5 жыл бұрын
Great video but I do have a question. I use Lightroom and I don't know much about Capture One. You used two lights on the background and set it at F8. Is that really a true white background? If you look at the intro pic on the email it's not a least not on that pic. It's close but not a true white. What settings would you use to make it a true white without it spilling back on the model? Or, is that what a "catalogue white" should look like? I see so many videos, not yours, and they put a light on the background and say it's a white background. Not even close. Thanks for the help. I really like your videos and I think Gavin Hoey rocks too!
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
The background is white 🤷🏻‍♂️ if you wanted it hotter - that is - over exposed, you would just hit it with more light
@MN_JohnnyZ
@MN_JohnnyZ 5 жыл бұрын
Same question! Is catalog white actually 90% - 95% white? Or are we looking to overexpose so the background is 100% white (which this video makes me think we are going for that high 90% white)?
@rtrlion
@rtrlion 5 жыл бұрын
You need background light will do f11-f13, and key light on the face of model will do f7.1-f8, then you wil take in lightroom pure white background. You need to do 2 stop between that lights.
@AndersCMadsen
@AndersCMadsen 5 жыл бұрын
IMHO FOTO is theoretically correct - going two stops over your key light on the model will guarantee you a pure white. However, you really, REALLY need to be careful here - if you go two stops over, you will get a LOT of light coming back from the background, and you will need to counter that by moving the model even further away from the background (the measurement that Daniels takes just behind Ericas head should still be no higher than f/8 or flare will be a problem). If Erica was already 2 meters from the background when measuring f/8 behind her head, and Daniel had gone two stops over, he would have to move her 4 meters from the background to avoid flare (if you go one stop over, she will need to be 2.8 meters from the background). You will often find that you lack the studio space to do that. Personally I shoot about 1/2 to 2/3 stop over my key light and push things with a soft white vignette (normally about a half stop) in post processing if needed - that usually gives you a pure white all over, since the edges tend to be where the light is falling off a tiny bit (unless you shoot with four lights on the background).
@actiaint
@actiaint 5 жыл бұрын
I had to turn my screen right up to get white on your back wall tbh.
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
Brett Hayvice your screen is obviously not calibrated 🤷🏻‍♂️
@ktb133T
@ktb133T 5 жыл бұрын
Any reason why you were focusing the camera on the outfit and not on, say her eyes?
@linusfotograf
@linusfotograf 5 жыл бұрын
Anurag Simgeker He probably focused on her eyes but pointed the camera on her midriff.
@lgm9324
@lgm9324 3 жыл бұрын
If you are doing a headshot, it is good practice to be level with the person's eyes; when doing 3/4 and full body photos, getting lower prevents distortion.
@dominiqueabautret694
@dominiqueabautret694 5 жыл бұрын
Always good to learn from you, but please try to speek a litttle bit slower !!! For us, non native English speaker, it is sometime very complicate to follow you and most of the time, I give it up. Anyway, thanks !
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
I shall try!
@TiborJager
@TiborJager 5 жыл бұрын
f/8 on background and also on her face to get a catalog white? something is wrong!
@cfazio
@cfazio 5 жыл бұрын
Tibor Jäger He said at the beginning he wanted to shoot at f8, so he exposed the white wall at f8 for a proper exposure, white. Proper exposure on the model was f8. It metered at f5.6.9 which is a tenth of a stop off f8...close enough. The results back him up.
@claud9999
@claud9999 5 жыл бұрын
Why not over-expose the background a bunch more? Surprised to see the right end of the histogram with a full "hill" rather than it peaking at 100%. I'd think tweaking down the exposure in post would result in a gray (or worse, colored) background. For that matter, if you way-over-expose your background (beyond the dynamic range of your sensor), you could make any color wall "white". (But, as you note, beware of bounce, particularly off a colored wall, the reflections will be colored and not over-exposed, even if the wall is.) Last comment/question, I assume you would still white balance with a target, not the wall...
@DanielNortonPhotographer
@DanielNortonPhotographer 5 жыл бұрын
As noted, over exposing the wall by too much would result in flare/softening of the image. I would not white balance off the wall because the wall is not neutral - which is what you need for correct balance
@davidweeks7123
@davidweeks7123 3 жыл бұрын
@@DanielNortonPhotographer love your work, but i also saw capture one saying/showing that many spots on your background were not 255 but was reading 250, 253. is this acceptable, and then you just bump up exposure in post the slightest bit to get the true white 255 and or fffff in Photoshop?
@rsmith02
@rsmith02 3 жыл бұрын
It's trivial to make the background pure white in post. Spill reflecting from the wall is a bigger problem (speaking from experience- oops)
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