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How to Create the Ultimate Wizard Übermensch - Sousou no Frieren

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The Overthinker

The Overthinker

5 ай бұрын

Step 1: Magic; Step 2: Means; 3: Imagination; 4: Convection; 5: Profit.
Easy as.
Thank you very much for watching! Feedback appreciated, as always.
BTW, I know it's basic, but I'm still pretty proud of how the thumbnail turned out.

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@felixlara2945
@felixlara2945 5 ай бұрын
Genjutsu would be so so effective in this world
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
Huh, yeah. Illusion magic could work towards fostering imagination/conviction during magic practice or used against an opponent to instill doubt in their mind during combat (among the other standard things illusion can be used for).
@thermophile1695
@thermophile1695 4 ай бұрын
Imagine dodging an attack but making it look like you nullified it. You've shaken their confidence, and made their magic considerably weaker.
@user-fl7by8in5o
@user-fl7by8in5o 5 ай бұрын
Good video👍 Child Soldier let’s go
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
Hahahaha, much appreciated!
@Kageryushin
@Kageryushin 4 ай бұрын
Nah, you don't quite get it. Just the fact that you had to claim "there's an inconsistency" at the end rather than question your own incomplete interpretation should have tipped you off. "Visualization" isn't about personal belief, it's about the underlying logic you've used to reach the desired outcome. When magic competes, it's the logic of the spells interacting. The logic of a spell is grounded in the already established ontology of the world external to the personal beliefs of the characters, even if the logic underlying a spell is one born from them. No matter how much Qual thinks his dated Zoltraak should absolutely penetrate everything and obliterate the opponent, there's still a procedure and composition of mana going into how it achieves what it does, and it loses to the logic underlying the defensive spell which disperses the power put into that composition of mana. The structural composition of how mana is being used with Zoltraak can be modulated or further developed to overcome the defensive magic, but that's not normally something you can just do on the fly with no context, which is why Qual beginning to do that was impressive at all. Furthermore, Reelseiden can't really be innovated in the same way despite being similarly simple and flexible, because the logic behind what it's achieving and how is already established. It's not blasting out concentrated mana, it's generating a slash that can cut things which can reasonably be cut. It achieves this by applying a tangible cutting force, so the force-dispersing nature of the defensive magic which blocks Zoltraak can also block Reelseiden. It can't cut things which have no form (like thoughts or memories), or which defy its logic from the start, because that's its nature, but within that nature, Ubel's perception matters. Hair that's just extremely strengthened? Even if that hair can overwhelm barriers Reelseiden can't, the ontological nature of hair is to be cut, and so it can be.
@thermophile1695
@thermophile1695 4 ай бұрын
Imagination is powerful, but it doesn't allow you to break the laws of magic. Just as you can't fly without a spell designed to do so (even if you were truly delusional), no amount of conviction can break through a spell specifically designed to block the spell you're using.
@ClashBluelight
@ClashBluelight 4 ай бұрын
While this sounds neat, I'm not too sure it would actually work. We only have Ubel as the positive example, while we have several negative examples. Instead, I would go the Land route. There's a spell that clones you, allows you to retain memory and sensory information from the clones, Allows the clones themselves to train and grow, allows that training to pass back to the user, and seemingly costs nothing to the user to use. This is the shadow clone training method on steroids. Especially since power level in the Frieren world is determined by length of experience and training. If I make 10 clones and have them train for a little over a month, I have gathered a year of experience and training. Using that year of extra mana, I can make another clone. Using that clone, I can gain a year even faster than before. Continuing this loop, I could potentially outpace Frieren's power within a few years of entering the world. Land is by far the most dangerous being in this world, as he's doing exactly that.
@MM-fo2hp
@MM-fo2hp 5 ай бұрын
i think people misunderstand what they mean by saying imagining . it's not all that is required and your idea would not work. the show shows that this is not the case as well as Ubel herself can't cut through any forms of defensive magic no matter how much she convinces herself that she can . being convinced of something can bypass many defensive spells if the flaw is inherent to the defensive object and you know how that flaw is affected . the cloak , while having many defensive magics cast on it , is ultimately a cloth that can be cut and we know how to cut a cloth . the same goes for the hair. Ubel can focus and use that flaw in order to cut through and by pass the defensive magic. however no matter how much you convince yourself that you can break defensive magic you will still not be able to unless you know how you can break through a defensive spell. and that's why you can't break through a defensive spell unless you know how they can be broken into ( a gap between the spells / loss of mana etc) and that will require understanding of the structure of the defensive magic and a creation of a spell that exploits that flaw ( which is what mages study I assume). that's how Zoltrak was able to break through previous defensive magic while not being able to break through new ones. because Quwal didn't know how the new defensive magic can be broken and no amount of conviction could change that. I know what I'm saying is never explicitly told in the anime but I felt it was heavily implied. it's how I understood the magic in this world in the first place when they talked about how magic is imagining and how it was shown to work. which is why I never felt there was any inconsistency in its magic system until now. I think this is more of a failure of communication of a concept than of inconsistency.
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
See, I don't believe that tracks. Hear me out: Ubel is able to cut through that one guy's amazing defenses because she conceptualizes cloth as something being able to be cut. In doing so, she therefore bypasses all the magic spells, their formulae or whatever else would generally have protected him from her attack. I'll copy/paste a response to an earlier comment: What she showcased is the ability - which while thus far unique to her, is not inherently so - to bypass all of that via conceptual means. As in: cloth has the property of being able to be cut by a sharpened blade; a sharpened blade has the property to cut cloth; therefore, one can be expected to cut cloth by using one's blade. For, fundamentally, a cloth is a cloth and a blade is a blade. Same would apply to Zoltraak (or any equivalent offensive spell), which would have the property to destroy whatever it hits. If the hypothetical "brainwashed" mages in question are able to imagine Zoltraak doing what it seemingly has the inherent property, and thus potential, to do and are always convinced of its effectiveness, I do not see why it shouldn't work. This, UNLESS, the person blocking is themselves absolutely convinced that their defenses should hold, but: 1. Fern wasn't, yet still blocked Qual's blast. This was stated to be due to the properties of her defensive spell (rather than her personal conviction); 2. That's why we need these mages to be "brainwashed" i.e. believe with ABSOLUTE certainty that they'll break through whatever they hit.
@MM-fo2hp
@MM-fo2hp 5 ай бұрын
​@@theoverthinker348 we know how a blade or something sharp cuts. we know a stone can't be cut . it can be slashed and that's what cutting does to a stone and so we see Ubel slashing the stone pillar. conviction only is a part of overcoming a spell. there needs to be an understanding of the fundamentals in order for the conviction to work. you need to understand how a cloth can be cut. if you don't understand how a blade cut's the cloth , even though you believe that the blade can cut anything you still can't cut a cloth with it. so for Zoltrak or any spell to be able to destroy a defensive spell , it first needs to understand how the defensive spell can be destroyed and then the caster has to have the absolute belief that he can destroy that spell in order to over come the spell. if both conditions are true then the spell will break the defensive magic even if the caster of that defensive magic believes with absolute certainty that its spell is unbreakable. because the one that is breaking the spell has understood the defensive magic and knows how to break it . Ubel's superpower is to disregard the defensive spells and bypass them by focusing on how she knows to cut a cloth or hair and use that without touching or trying to manipulate the spells that are cast on it which is something almost no one else can do. she basically dodges them instead of affecting them.
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
@@MM-fo2hp This "superpower" while currently unique to Ubel isn't inherent to her. That's where the psychological conditioning comes into play. You essentially want to create a small army of Ubels with the same "superpower" and you'd do so by training them solely in Zoltraak and having them be intimately familiar with the sensation and experience of it destroying objects and shields, etc. You would facilitate this over a decade of them doing exactly that.
@MM-fo2hp
@MM-fo2hp 5 ай бұрын
@@theoverthinker348 I understand that and that army would be very powerful but not as powerful as overcoming all magic. that was my argument . but reading my own comment i see that i was no precise with what i meant when i said it would not work . i meant it would not work they way you expect. it would probably be the most powerful mage army IF it could be done at that scale. I'm not sure if Ubels condition is inherent or not. it's not unique for certain as i can imagine other people being able to think like that but i do think you need a disposition towards that kind of logic in the first place in order to be trained into that way of thinking, still i have no logical argument against that part of your idea .i subscribed and liked the video when i first saw it as i thought its a very cool idea. just that i didn't think magic works the way you think magic works in this anime and that was my argument.
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
@@MM-fo2hp Fair enough. Much appreciated!
@Chris951021
@Chris951021 5 ай бұрын
I hope you saw the Fern army meme video here on KZfaq and went into this tirade about raising an unstoppable army because of it.
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
Nnnnnnope, just looked it up. That was frickin' glorious.
@Chris951021
@Chris951021 5 ай бұрын
@@theoverthinker348 Lol. Glory to the Frierenland. Now you've solved the manpower issue. Time to train them to be the ultimate delusional Zoltraak mages they can be.
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
@@Chris951021 Hahahahaha NOW you're thinking with Ferns.
@RunningOnAutopilot
@RunningOnAutopilot 4 ай бұрын
Ubelminch mean Ubel man, and that’s funny.
@RunningOnAutopilot
@RunningOnAutopilot 4 ай бұрын
No this doesn’t make sense If this was true than barrier magic would be nothing more than a cheap psychological trick, and the demon mage who made it wouldn’t have fallen for that trick because he didn’t know about it Ubel was able to cut that guys cloak because her magic was that good, and because she was able to imagine doing it. The reason no one else stood a chance was because their magic probably wasn’t as good as Ubel’s, and because they couldn’t imagine winning. You can’t just punch aside the fact that Qual couldn’t pierce barrier magic. If she tried to get past barrier magic with zoltrech she would fail. What was exceptional about Ubel was her magic, and her ridiculous confidence. If Ubel used a less powerful spell she would still be exceptional in her ability to not limit herself, and she would have preformed better than anyone else, but she would have failed.
@corpsecollektoryt2504
@corpsecollektoryt2504 5 ай бұрын
Just discovered ur chanal and i really like ur Video It really is easy to get in this universe
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@pavleradovanovic3560
@pavleradovanovic3560 5 ай бұрын
Love to see Frierenposting! Why use many spell when few zoltraak do trick? Visualization is a new concept introduced and Id love to see it explored a bit more. For now I think its a shortcut to focus as it kinda makes sense that single-minded determination will yield good results. Similar to pullups for example, easier to imagine pulling the bar down into the ground like a madman that pulling yourself up. Good stuff!
@theoverthinker348
@theoverthinker348 5 ай бұрын
It's implied it does a bit more than that, I'd say. Ubel has taken things from the actual to the conceptual. It is not only a matter of a spell's power, properties or attributes that determines its effectivess. What she showcased is the ability - which while thus far unique to her, is not inherently so - to bypass all of that via conceptual means. As in: cloth has the proprety of being able to be cut by a sharpened blade; a sharpened blade has the property to cut cloth; therefore, one can be expected to cut cloth by using one's blade. For, fundamentally, a cloth is a cloth and a blade is a blade. It's quite different from everything we've seen from the show's power system thus far. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
@pavleradovanovic3560
@pavleradovanovic3560 4 ай бұрын
Motivational speakers and visualization coaches must be wild in-universe. Stellar TED talk!
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