Ian, your emphasis on fair & social play coupled with tips in dealing with meta chasers makes our hobby stronger. Cheers & thanks, Mal

For your Legion Specific Tips: IW gain their bonus on strength in Close Combat too, not only shooting. So they are able to hurt even a Leviathan with their normal attacks, although they are better of with their S7 Krak Grenades.

I've been greatly enjoying these as I sit here and paint Iron Warriors. Top quality videos, keep up the good work. Also, consider this a request for an Iron Warriors in-depth review/strategy video.

great video! very excited to hear more of your thoughts about Golden Keshig. I love them, and think theyre a super well balanced glass cannon unit.

Man, love this stuff. Great to listen to while hobbying!

Love this good work. We have an improv guide of not doubling on any choice outside of core and if you are let people know ahead of time so they can bump up

Loving your videos, mate! As someone new to Horus Heresy, they are supremely helpful!

Cracking video, really insightful and balanced.

My gaming group just had their first v2 event yesterday and how good dreads are and how to deal with them definitely came up in the discussion afterwards, so this video is definitely appreciated. Just one rules quibble to point out, I don't believe the emperor's children sonic shriekers work vs. dreads since they're fearless. Your point that elite EC combat units working potentially working vs dreads still stands though with access to high initiative murderous strike and the stance dancing thing they do.

Gah! You've made me rethink my entire strategy. Replacing my chaplain consul with an Armistos with a thunder hammer. I lose the huge leadership bonus but the missiles will benefit from the cognis signum. Just found the parts to make the Armistos - at least it'll be a more appropriate Lore choice for the type of heavy RG chapter that this army will represent. Losing that stubborn leadership 10 from the chaplain might be a blow to the despoiler squad.

Great video mate, I played against two contemptors at 1k points over the weekend with my fluffy all-shrapnel Iron Warriors list. Rough game, but I eked out a win by killing off the few infantry units he had and then just grinding down the dread over time. One correction - Iron Warriors gain +1 strength against dreads, not +1 to wound. I've yet to field it in anger but I suspect a Volkite heavy/support squad would be effective against dreads thanks to the high volume of attacks that become S7 against dreads and vehicles.

Really enjoying the content

Love your videos man

Thanks for the video, love how many options you gave to deal with them! Most other people just gave the same "lascannon spam" and i dont think thats very fluffy or fun to play with/against.

Brilliant!

Subscribed ! :)

Minor point, I don't see anything that says Dreads do not get the extra attack for having at least 2 melee weapons, so fist contemptors have 5 attacks base (which is in line with thunder hammer/lightning claw praetors, whom are 165 for their package. One more than a Centurion with a similar loadout who's 105). Makes entering melee with them using weapons that will kill them typically mean a sacrifice of 3-4 bodies. Good generalist advice all the same and glad to hear it.

For my night lords I was thinking a sabre or three with neutron weapons. They work out 100pts each, count as vehicles so get the outnumbering bonus against dreads and if using terror assault, are only 24" range anyway.

Thunder Hammers on WS5+(or even 4 but you need loads), massed paired Lighting Claws(RG Dark Furies obliterate Dreads), Legion specific weapons with good rending(falax blades, Equinox weapons, RG claws, chainblades etc etc) or anything with Brutal special rule and AP2 for melee. Thunder Hammers in general have most versatile profile in game - mastercrafted TH on any Centurion/Consul that may find himself in CC will shred a dread over couple turns. Also don't forget good old krak grenades - these auto hit vs Dreadnaughts, and surrounded by beefy Tactical squad, even when wounding on 5+ you can force enough saves for them to add up to meaningful chip damage. For ranged, aside from obvious, such as las and plas, armourbane rerolls wounds, haywire is good, so is anything aggresively costed with good weight of fire and 6+ strength - volkite culverines delete swaths of marines of the table, but against fury of the ancients, 10 man squad still manages to put 2 wounds per shooting phase on a dread on average. Another hidden gem are armies with mass Sniper Rifles - these are pretty alright against Dreads if you don't have some apothecaries to snipe - and come on Line units. Another option is to supress them with Shock Pulse weapon. Additionally dreads are NOT efficient shooting platforms in any configuration - they are paying premium for the durability(twin las dread costs same as land raider, which is hardly most efficient shooting platform, it has same durability vs antitank, with bonus that it can't blow up, but it also can be more easily tied up, rended and plasma, medium strength (6/7) high volume, poison and fleshbane work against it unlike Land raider), so shooty dreads have lowest target priority provided there is anything else with similar profile you could be shooting. Another option to consider against mass Dreadnaught army is Night Fighting - then use searchlights to light up your targets - Dreadnaught armies are hard pressed for upgrades that let them ignore 24" NF limit. Vehicles and infantry aren't. Speaking of inefficient, Daredeos and Leviathans add awful mobility on top of that(yes Leviathan has scary numbers...but also nonexistent range, massive cost and, measely 6 inch movement with Heavy type - phosphex is what keeps a threat), so Contemptors are the priority. On top of that many Legions are very effective in killing Dreadnaughts(Iron Warriors, Blood Angels, Word Bearers etc.)

I put a master of Signals on with my heavy Lascannon squad for +1 bs and I wiped a Dreadnought in one go. Luckily it was my only valid target so I had 4 Lascannon shots from my Dreadnought as backup

Note that Night Lords' +1 to wound is almost certainly going to apply in melee as well as shooting so your point about tac marines with chain bayonets for example for blood angels works similarly for Night Lords. In fact the +1 doesn't depend on charging so will continue for ongoing combats.

Nice one! Don't over hestimate your gal vorbak tho, true that they don't get instant death again a contemptor fist, but against a contemptor chainfist or any close combat weapon on a leviathan it's an other story, all those weapon are st 10 or more. all the other way of dealing with them are still valid tho, but let those gal vorbak kill something else seems a better idea

Do rad grenades reduce a dreadnoughts toughness in close combat?

My man needs to do a Sergeant Johnson impression- “We’ve all run the simulations, they’re tough, but they ain’t invincible”

blood angles characters taking perdition weapons is an auto-include, for one less attack you get rending(6+) and brutal 2. also blood angels have assault cannons as well

Great vid

I have to say that I really enjoy the fact that not you're approaching with any emotional bias as well as not focusing on "getting the most out of...." . I also really appreciate that you are emphasizing on how people should self regulate when it comes to going overboard. It doesn't seem like YT content creators are really emphasizing that very much.

Proteus land speeder squadron with grav guns. Nuff said

Don't forget that pretty much every power armour unit has Krak grenades, which are s6 ap3 and automatically hit dreads and automata. Obviously better against automata which so far don't seem like they get 2+ saves but still worth remembering, especially for Night Lords!

Hello! What are your thoughts on the iron warriors graviton Crushers? When fighting dreads arm all my dude with graviton Crushers and charge? Dread killers? Iron Within.

Most cost efficient dreadnought killer I've been able to think up is an Iron Hands Moritat with dual Grav Pistols and a Jump-Pack. 12 Haywire Shots on a BS5 platform, range 12". For legion agnostic, Recon Marines can all be given Melta-Bombs which can make them a nasty surprise to someone.

Is the Fleshbane rule on Death Guard chem flame weaponry a good way to deal with Dreadnoughts?

breacher with a thunder hammer on the serg sound particularly good at annoying or killing a dread with very little point invested. But that kind of the job of that unit anyway, behind annoying and holding ground

Do you think you could do a video on using the Baneblade and it’s subtypes in your army lists?

Iron Hands Moritat with grav pistols.

What do you guys think about Destroyers as an effective unit against Dreadnoughts? Seems like the minus to toughness could be something

If I could ask for your advice, how do you deal with terminators?? They just seem like absolute tanks and I have no clue on how to deal with them

I'm hoping that one castra ferrum with a chainfist, powerfist and 2 meltaguns, 10 missile launchers on foot, a proteus with a multimelta, a kratos and 2 rhinos with multimeltas will be enough at 2k. If it comes to the powerfists on the sgts it'll be too late. My list is very modular at the moment. It can be less combat oriented and more shooty by replacing Dark Furies with their apothecary point for point for a heavy support squad with 10 lascannons and another m/m rhino.

any tips for raven guard players?

The best way to kill 2 dreadnoughts is to charge yours into your opponents.

I love Dreadnoughts

So Alpha Leagion tips?

So, playing Raven Guard, I've actually ended up dropping my Dreadnought(s) in favor of other options. I've found that one of the best tools for dealing with Dreadnoughts is Rending. Lightning Claws, Autocannon, Raven's Talons, Nemesis Bolters, basically anything with Rending will make short work of Dreadnoughts, particularly if they can re-roll to wound, like with Lightning Claws.

Haven't dreadnoughts lost the vehicle prefix so aren't as bothered by haywire?

How about veteran squads with full melta? makes the most sense at 10-man. Hitting on 4s, armorbane s8 and d3 wounds per failed 5++. Not the cheapest, but tooled up could also deal with other things? Slap on a libby biomancy buff and they're not even getting ID'd anymore!

Iron Warriors Wrack and Ruin makes them way easier to wound. S10 lascannons wound them very easily

Just played a game with 5 world eater dreads... Absolutely brutal

I'm gonna be trying out a recon team with melta bombs for dreadnought and tank killing

Surprised you didn't mention most basic marines have krak grenades, its only one attack but it auto hits and wounds better than their other weps.

I feel bad in this edition because I own 8 contemptors...

Before I watch the video, my answer to Dreads is 3 Graviton Rapiers and 3 Laser Destroyer Rapiers. They're cheap, and pretty effective for both area denial and killing things, plus they look neat :)) As a side note: I can't wait to see how the Custode Dreadnoughts will be statted 🥲

Plasma and melta support

Dang, I hope the rules don't get "balanced" like 40k got "balanced" 😬

Interemptors make short work of dreads. Breaching is brutal

Gal Vorbak just don't want to see an Osiron dreadnought.

T'au rail guns!!! who?!? you know... the T'au. battle armor and big guns, lots of guns! oh... the T'au. you mean, the primitive spear chucking hunter-gather xenos! we'll revisit that thought in about 10,000 years!

I like how Raven Guard didn't get a strategy for dealing with dreadnoughts. Poor boys in black have to have the worst rules out there.

I'm not running any Dreads in my main list. #maverick

I heard meltabombs do nasty things to dreadnoughts.

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Take brethren of iron for a thanatar calix ;)

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Knowing the difference between a competitive list and one more conventionally "Heresy" is an important thing I didn't know about. It's difficult since everyone in my local is brand new. So, 40k min/max-ing is all we know and it's like instictual at this point. Spamming is an easy enough rule of thumb, but we haven't gotten any games in since everyone only had the starter box. Now that people have had time to buy from forgeworld and new plastic kits have come out I know at least a few people are likely working on skew lists. I was building one myself actually. This video made me stop and re-evaluate because I love dreadnoughts and tanks too much. We all got into Heresy because we were tired of things like this in 40k, but ironically thats how we're listbuilding because it's all we know. the vicious cycle never ends.