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I would love to hear your take on other patterns of terminator armor as well!

Nice video, the WS4 is what steered me away from this unit and instead I run mine as a terminator command squad. The combi-flamers are a great shout, it's amazing what you can accidentally skip over and demonstrates the value of videos like this - another set of eyes do wonders!

Great analysis. One house rule that I request pre-game and my opponents usually agree with is that if the unit can take a Land Raider Proteus Carrier as a dedicated transport, they can also take a Land Raider Mk IIB as such. The Mark IIB has the exact same data sheet as the Proteus carrier, same cost and roughly the same footprint. If you have a Mark IIB, feel free to use it as a Proteus Carrier. You can even squadron one up with an actual Proteus Carrier model.

Your videos have been such a phenominal resource for me just getting in to 30k, thank you so much!

Thanks again bruv. Very helpful, this saved me from building units and me being frustrated with why they weren't performing on the tabletop. Cheers

Appreciate the info, coming from 40K I wasn't sure exactly what I needed to be doing with my Cataphractii given their WS4 and didn't want to make them too expensive. The clarity of "this specifically is what they're built to do" is very helpful!

Great video, I made 5 as double claws and have been debating what to do with the other 5. This was helpful, thank you

Really appreciate the information, working on my Iron Warriors armoured company - command squad, Dominators, Tyrant Siege and cataphractii, all in land raiders and Spartan

Best heresy content out there! Hope to see something for thw other terminator armors

Once again exactly what I needed to hear at exactly the right time!

Great video! I have just been building an 8 man squad with a mix of chainfists and power fists plus a thunder hammer, given me food for thought here for sure.

I'd probably still consider going with the power fist over power axe by default. For the same effect of striking at Initiative 1, you may as well get your points worth out of Instant Death vs marines on top of AP2, and if you're feeling plucky you can always substitute a chainfist or two for some boosted anti-armour capability. As for the thunder hammer, you're taking it more for Brutal (2) than you are for anti-armour. As for ranged, that depends on the legion. For instance, you might get some use out of a Dragon's Breath Heavy Flamer or two out of a Salamanders cataphractii squad as a unit that's intending to charge what they just shot at anyway, but the investment to do so requires careful set-up of both force composition, deployment and positioning to pull it off well. As you pointed out, these guys kind of need that Land Raider to bring them into charge range, especially given certain deployment set-ups that may force you to fight up the long edge of a table - the game will likely end before they've crossed no-man's land otherwise - and ideally you'd want to bait out your opponent's Movement phase reactions before committing. This also influences how large of a squad you can use as well, since Terminator squads cannot be assigned a Land Raider Proteus if they have more than 5 models before attached independent characters. My best guess as to whether volkite chargers or combi-bolters are worth taking is entirely dependent on whether you fancy your chances of wounding the target (+deflagrate) vs being able to re-roll failed hits. Like you said, this is more of a melee-oriented unit, so the maximum range of either isn't really going to be much of a consideration when they're lining up for a charge, and they both have the same chance to inflict an initial wound on a marine per shot.

This definitely reinforces how I was planning to run Termies, at least my non-Legion specific ones (Deathshrouds and Grave Wardens).

Thank you for a good advice video. I was struggling with this unit's weapons option. Could you do a similar thing to the Tartaros Terminators and maybe compare the strength and weaknesses of both of those units?

Great video, love your channel. Need more heresy content!

Ah that answers that. Your videos are just superb, it can sometimes be a little confusing how to build units in HH and I like a good kit bash. Just picked up the box set to add to my Ultras force so thinking I grab a pack of 5 power axes from forge world. And some missile launchers from somewhere and magnetize them for use as Fulmentarus. 5 axes, maybe 2 sword for ablative wounds, 2 chainfist, See if I can find a cpl of other power weapons in my bits box....I already have 3 with TH and 2 with dual Lightning Claws so I reckon that's the way forward to give me the biggest choice from the 15 figures.

Really happy that the 10 terminators I built years ago when Betrayal at Calth came out actually have a decent loadout with mostly power axes, a couple of heavy flamers and chainfists.

I would make use of tanks and heavy support squads to provide fire support for the Terminators and Tactical squads. The Lightning Claws and Power weapons are great options for them.

I'm a fan of loading them up with power mace/combi volkite or single lightning claw/combi volkite being able to dump 4 shits into a unit at 12" is pretty fun

I love your channel!!!

I think the main reason people overlook Combi-Grenade Launchers is getting the grenade launcher part of the combi frame. Iirc FW used to have 2 frames of combi weapons, one had plas, flamer and melta and the other had volkite and GLs, but I believe they were discontinued.

Great video, thanks. You just saved me from building 20 terminators with all kind of expensive weapons.

Thank you!

I'd like to see your thoughts on the Red Butchers unit

For a ZM Pride of the Legion list do you think a cheap squad of cataphractii are going to get more value than a squad of breachers with two graviton guns? Love these guides btw!

Hay hearasy could you cover blood angel's at some point please love your video really helps me out with building awsome hh lists

I like the idea of keeping them in that sweet spot where they're too cheap to pay attention to, but they're too durable to ignore. I've been focusing on building out tartaros termies since I can equip them with 3++ vigil storm shields, but this is something new to think about. How do you feel about loading them with solarite gauntlets? S10 AP1 so they're a legitimate vehicle threat, give more Istant Death opportunity, and hit into dreads better for 15 points - same as a thunderhammer but no brutal. I've got a 5-man Huscarl squad with these (my local meta treats the pdfs the same level as the Libers) and they do a lot of killing. I've 5 more terminators to build and I'm tempted to kit them out similarly with a lot of solar gauntlets but I'm not sure the return on killing power can justify the point investment. The solar gauntlets are cheaper for the huscarls but 15pts is a lot for regular termies. As ever, great video!

Another great video, thanks! Good to shout out the utility of chainfists vs. dreadnoughts - the reroll to wound S8 vs. T7 (or T8 on the Lev) is great, although Terminator elites at WS5 really shine here. A question regarding transporting Cataphractii in Proteus Carriers (or MKIIb Land Raiders). I believe the army list states you can only take this option if the squad numbers 5 models - which is silly given the capacity of 6. Has this been amended in thr errata?

i will say two combi weapon to take for a unit is volkite and flamers or nad luncher

Due to the wording of the DT options, even though a Land Raider can fit 6 terminators, they can only take one as an option if they number 'no more than five'

I feel you under-sell Power fists a bit, for 10 points getting AP 2 and instant death on anything toughness 4 or bellow make them an amazing choice in terminator vs terminator fights. Power Axes are nice given you can get them for free, but 2 wound terminators being killed in one hit is well worth the extra investment. Although perhaps I’m a bit Biased, I play Alpha Legion, and the power axes on my Learnians often just frustrate me cos they don’t kill terminators fast enough.

Combi-meltas and Thunder Hammers. And there's 10 of them This is what I use for my Iron Warriors and they get the job done. Kinda wish the melta wasn't 1shot but what ever

I've gone for 10 Deathwing cataphractii with power swords in a Spartan - not the most competitive but absolutely worth it for the fluff (plus it'll help balance out the 5 Inner Circle and various other terranic greatswords I have scattered about). In my Pride of the Legion list their job is to butcher their way onto an objective and then hold it forever

I have a unit of 5 with double lightning claws and a dreadclaw assault pod, 340 points drop them in the back line to take out any HSS or the like.

Nice analysis. I'm curious if you would hold to similar guidelines for a terminator command squad?

I think Power Sword is fine against marines if play take them as DA and make them to a Deathwing as a unit of five. You get keep their ability to shot which I think important. Because Shooting back reaction is strong and if they are terminator cata are so slow. Or if make them to a bigger unit rest models take TH, PF or CF to cover their weakness.

For someone who made 8 according to your AoD box video =/ The big problem with the AoD box as well as the reboxed HH kit (same sprues) is that you don't get the arms to make squads with power axes or maces. Adding on extra expenses to make a unit "efficient" just feels bad.

EC catraphractii are super scary for opponents terminators. Getting the charge off making you in 2 with their power fists/chain fists is nasty.

Combi weapons minor with grenade launch is way better than people realise. Plus you can fire both options all the time. Suits iron warriors well also. 👌

For my Sekhmet Terminators, I normally field eight 10x man squads with 6 force axes, 2 force mauls, and 2 chain fists.

I’m new to heresy but I have seen some Videos of the old game where people play shattered legion formation of multiple legions. Is that still a thing or are we expecting to be able to run the Warmasters madman horde in a supplement perhaps

A question regarding the Equipment : - Augury scanner : Even as an IF player I wouldn't take it only because of it's Nightfights benefits, as for Bolters it makes no difference, but with Kheres or other long-range weapon.... But wouldn't you take one because of it's capabilities to avoid nasty surprises ( infiltration within 18") and enhanced reaction, especially when the Caties are tasked with objective sittin. - Nuncio Vox : wouldn't it be beneficial for Caties with Grenade-Launchers if they could re-roll scatter dies for the templates and , on a side note, avoiding the -1 Penalty on Leadership during Nightfights ? - Vexilla : yes , save the points for a better P-Weapon...although..these Vexillas look very cool...😉

Trying to come up with a good way to run these has been the most annoying part of listbuilding for me. Any cheap option just ends with "But then I don't want to spend points on a Land Raider, and now they're so slow I want Tartaros instead". Any expensive option ends with "Now I might as well use Firedrakes instead", especially when Firedrakes get cheaper Hammers and Shields. Might just be a Salamander thing but it feels like regular Cataphractii are for Legions that don't have their own Elite Melee Terminators.

If you're looking for a cheaper transport for a 10 man squad the Storm Eagle has almost the same transport capacity as a Spartan (22 instead of 26), deepstrikes, and costs about the same as a land raider (210 bare bones).

Hello. Great video. How do you rate Larneans? They're 250 pts as opposed to 200 points. So no granade launcher, no thunder hammer, are they worth the extra 50 points just for the line rule? Or should I stick to regular Cataphractii as an alpha legion player?

My alpha legion has a 5man squad, 1 heavy flamer, 1 combi flamer, maces and a thunder hammer on the sergeant. 200p for a line breaker

On regular legion cataphractii terminators I prefer to keep them cheap since they lack the WS and BS to be truly scary and instead use them as a tough obstacle to shift, which frees up my elite terminators to go hunting.

Are you gonna do one for Tartoros Terminators. I know they slightly weaker than Cataphractii but they still do same damage output just they're more likely to death sooner than Cataphractii

Do you think Cataphractii have a place in a World Easters army? What would the best load out be in your eyes from the one's you've listed?

Also is it just me or does the MkVI power fist seem to be very small compared to the normal ones?

What do you think of Solarite gauntlet, worth it over chainfist? Also i have a unit of 5 with 2 hammers, 2 axes, sol gauntlet and storm shields and another unit of 5 with hammer, axes, sol gauntlet, 2 combi-plasmas and iliastus. Are these units ok, and what would you change on them?

What are your thoughts on the Grav Mace for Cataphractii in Iron Warriors lists?

I mostly use cataphracto as bodygaurds for my preator and convert them intowarsmiths seige breakers and other iron warrior themed consuls

is this HH2.0? I cant find the wargear options in the Liber astartes to be able to put a Thunder hammer on the sargents or to use Power Axes?

Anyone know where this man's gone?

Probley going to mix fist and lighting claws. Maybe a hvy flamer. It's cheap ish in points and in real world money Its cheap aswell

Building a squad of Morlocks and a squad of heavy flamer cats. Morlocks getting 1 chainfist, 2x power fists, 2x lightning claw. All with bolters. Heavy flamer with lightning claw, 2x power fist, 1 chainfist, 1 lightning claw. The load out will also be legal in 40k iron hands relic squads. Don't much care for dual lightning claws on a slow unit when it looks cooler on a jump pack squad.

Do you think that dragonscale stormshields are worth giving them (10 pts/model)? if so, would you suggest keeping them cheap with power axes/maces?

what about IF assault cannons on cataphractii, replaces a heavy flamer

Mate please do one of these for legion veterans!

I used Terminator sqauds for a while, but I've started using Huscarl squads w Solarite Power Gauntlets. They hit like a truck and are tougher to kill.

Personally I like Tartarus terminators for killing +3 saves. The ability to sweeping advance is a big deal. That and they move around the battle field much quicker.

Now this is technically still a Cataphractii Terminator, but if you turn these into a Cataphractii Command Squad, would you still recommend a few "good" weapons and most as standard to keep costs down, or would you say invest here cause WS5?

you ever going to upload again?

Correction - only up to 2 squads can gain Line in Pride of the Legion - only those selected as compulsory choices. Rest still will be without Line rule.

I totally agree with you. but sadly it boils down to keep em cheap. Which isn't very cool, because 10 Cataphracts with 2 Hvy Flamers and well 16 Lightning Claws is just sooooo cool. Sadly the Game doesn't support that route.

Now if only you could get these combi-weapons without needing a mortgage!

Yo hearesy, you still making videos?

counterpoint to your point about not taking the reaper autocannon: the reaper autocannon looks sick

Tartaros follow the same general guidelines?

I like 4x Volkite Chargers, 1x Blasma Blaster, 4x Power Fists & 1x Chainfist. Thats my current lineup anyway.

New episode soon?

Where are you at?

Algorythm

Solarite power gauntlets and an assault cannon for my fists

I don't quite agree about power weapons. A lance look way better than a mace to me, unless you somehow have rad grenades. There is a lot non-unwieldy scary weapons and some initiative 5 elite units; being faster or not slower than them is clearly more impactful, than +1 strength. Power axes are pretty useless now, everything that is 2+ also has 2 or more wounds. This one of the reasons, why red butchers are the worst legion terminators now. Power swords, despite low strength, are still good enough to fight tactical marines, you don't need maces or lances to deal with them, while rending 6+ gives you at least some chance against tougher units. And about giving a thunder hammer to the sergeant: +1 attack might be good, but you'll probably lose him in a challenge before he attacks.

Dual lightning claws x10 and a Spartan = Threshing machine.

My load out was to give up and use inner circle knights 😂

Would you say that everything you stated applies to Tartaros? I've brainfarted and traded my Cataphractii for Tartaros :|

Double claws for 8th legion no matter what

Please...

I fall i to this trap evwry bloody time wiith Cataphractii, "oh ill just stick this in, or that, or this" 5-600 points later 🤮

Can we get a video on the storm eagle and fire raptor?

All the heresy content slowly going by the wayside 🥲