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How To Determine Trolling Depth Using Lead for Kokanee and Trout

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8 ай бұрын

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In absence of a downrigger the best way to target Kokanee or trout at depth is to use lead sinkers. Inline weights have become less favored compared to sliding or snap weight rigs that allow anglers to quickly change weights on the water. However, determining exactly how deep you are can be challenging but it critically important. In this video I go over two products I developed to help overcome this challenge.
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@adventuringandy945
@adventuringandy945 8 ай бұрын
I was out kayak fishing Jordanelle Reservoir, UT this summer and a boat goes by and he suddenly turns around and heads right towards me. He gets within shouting distance and asked, “ Are you Tyler Hicks?”. Sadly, I had to say no. Greatest compliment I’ve ever received while fishing.
@pdxfin
@pdxfin 8 ай бұрын
Truly great and hard work. One of the best parts is how much you have shared about your methodology and conditions. As you said, "similar" data is out there, but each table or chart is different and it is so hard to know how to apply the results. Your results are clear and easy to apply.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your steadfast support.
@ryanclark1841
@ryanclark1841 8 ай бұрын
Tyler thank you a lot, this is a really detailed depth chart. I know it took a while but us lead trollers really appreciate the accuracy here
@fredburton5190
@fredburton5190 8 ай бұрын
I troll with 15 pound mono and use either a dodger or a small three-bladed flasher that I make. I am interested in seeing how a dodger or a flasher combined with the lead weight affect the depth. Your numbers are similar to some charts I have, but yours seem to be closer to what I have experienced. I hope you create some new charts that include a dodger or a flasher. Thank you for clearly listing your assumptions and variables. It helps understand the data.
@danielsteele2471
@danielsteele2471 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for pedaling the extra miles to make us all smarter!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@Zhou-Bo-Tong
@Zhou-Bo-Tong 8 ай бұрын
I have limited time to get out with young kids so I really appreciate this methodologically sound work. Looking forward to dodger variation. You've covered where to find kokanee, but it might be nice to have a guide on what the fish are doing through the season throughout the day from the fish perspective. I'm new but I'm coming to this from fish keeping and love both the biological understanding and fishing tips and really want to understand what's going on behaviorally with kokanee. Thanks again so much! You've really helped me get started!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thank your for your support. I have some season specific videos but I will try and do a more big perspective view on this although this video does broadly address that kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sJ6ndLxizpqYpo0.html
@Zhou-Bo-Tong
@Zhou-Bo-Tong 8 ай бұрын
​@@spiltmiltahhh definitely covers it broadly. Thanks for the timestamp.
@timmoore9736
@timmoore9736 8 ай бұрын
Your grad school science background shows brightly. And you must have read my mind - awesome help.
@kayinrolland
@kayinrolland 8 ай бұрын
I’m still very new to Kokanee fishing but I love it. Thanks for showing us the way.
@kevinwebster3023
@kevinwebster3023 8 ай бұрын
I've had something similar on my boat for a few years. However, quite likely a safe bet that yours are a bit more accurate than mine so purchased a few of the sticker version. Thank you!
@traildadd
@traildadd 8 ай бұрын
Good job. I have a Wilderness Radar 135 and 115 set up with downriggers and trolling motors. I was planning to try having my son cruise over my line and see if I can determine depth with the fish finder. When I get a chance I’ll give it a try and see how it compares to your data. Thanks for the info.
@Nik-gh6gz
@Nik-gh6gz 8 ай бұрын
Let us know what you find out!
@traildadd
@traildadd 8 ай бұрын
@@Nik-gh6gz I haven't checked with sonar yet but I gave the weights a first try and hit bottom when I shouldn't, so I'm definitely curious to see what results I get.
@williamsawyer6607
@williamsawyer6607 8 ай бұрын
I have been waiting 52 years for this information...(accurate information)!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Awesome and thank you for your support!
@jerryberg6244
@jerryberg6244 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing the research that many of us have thought about but you actually did it. Thanks again.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
You are welcome! Thank you.
@GusWest
@GusWest 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Tyler. I just downloaded the charts and am on my way to purchase stickers for the boat. This is super useful info and to have it collected transparently from a science minded person such as yourself gives it great credibility.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@alibababest4444
@alibababest4444 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Tyler! We appreciate the balance between detailed science-y info and your enthusiasm for good times on the water.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 2 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoy it!
@EricKeele
@EricKeele 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the charts! I bought 2 stickers and misplaced them... Thank you for sharing the PDFs. Love your content!
@joannetilley601
@joannetilley601 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for such great content and the breakdown on the methodology and assumptions in the data behind it. I just went to your store and purchased a chart. Definitely want to support the expenses and time you put into this.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic! Thank you!
@blakegipson8136
@blakegipson8136 8 ай бұрын
Just ordered up 3 of the 5x7 stickers. Thankful for the work you put in that I could never have accomplished.
@tranli04
@tranli04 8 ай бұрын
Love your videos and thanks for this video. Looking forward to the 360 skateboards version of this chart for salmon. Maybe doing a half ounce also. Thanks!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Great suggestion!
@KAWFISHING
@KAWFISHING 8 ай бұрын
Fantastic resource & data presentation. This will be greatly beneficial for Sockeye salmon fishing also in Lk Wenatchee since it's using similar troll speed and depth. Thank you for the video!
@DavidGore-dk8lj
@DavidGore-dk8lj 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the creating the chart! The fishing knowledge that you've shared over the years has helped me to increase my success and enjoyment out on the water.
@idaho2ndgens240
@idaho2ndgens240 8 ай бұрын
This is awesome!! Just ordered both for the boat! Thanks a bunch.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@ClintFredenberg
@ClintFredenberg 8 ай бұрын
Great stuff. And I really appreciate you explanation so to better understand the data and how it was arrived at.. I will be looking forward to your future ones with depth info. Along with of course your fishing ones. Thanks
@johncase1972
@johncase1972 8 ай бұрын
This is GOLD! Thank you!
@evanhyatt4457
@evanhyatt4457 8 ай бұрын
This is truly a prayer that been answered. Thank you for the work and everything you've done for this. This is true data that's truly reliable
@fastandfun20043
@fastandfun20043 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Tyler, Really well done!
@Nik-gh6gz
@Nik-gh6gz 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the info! Will buy the charts when I get a kayak!
@jktacklellc
@jktacklellc 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this information! We enjoy your videos a lot!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for your support!
@littletoze
@littletoze 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Tyler! Got the sticker version ordered with a Spilt Milt sticker!
@stevezylstra7792
@stevezylstra7792 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 2 ай бұрын
Welcome!
@usstartarsauce
@usstartarsauce 8 ай бұрын
Not all heroes wear cape, thank you for this. Hopefully I see you in merwin this summer.
@KayakFishingSoCal
@KayakFishingSoCal Ай бұрын
Wonderful content. Appreciate your time you've put into compliling these very helpful tables! Chase big trout and mackinaw in my area too. Curious if youll put out a depth chart table for 2.0 to 2.5 mph with cannon balls up to 6 oz?
@cookDMR
@cookDMR 8 ай бұрын
I'll be curious to see how the dodger impacts these charts. I feel like it should make a big difference. I've noticed diver charts usually include language saying that flashers can impact actual depth. This makes sense, but I've always wondered how much. As an engineer, I love this stuff.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I am curios too. In my experience tear drop dodgers in the 4.5" size tend to have fairly minimal impacts on depth but the 5.5" certainly create lift while skateboards tend to dive. All future questions to explore.
@bradholditch9577
@bradholditch9577 8 ай бұрын
@@spiltmiltvery informative. I am really curious about dodger depth when long longing with no weight. I am hard core downrigger guy but had a real break through long ling in one particular lake, that is all they wanted. I found Paulina Peak PTT were great, other dodgers like thin Sling blades were no good, actually planned to the surface. Keep up the good work
@paulpobanz5546
@paulpobanz5546 5 ай бұрын
Hey Tyler. All your vids are amazing and this one is truly so beneficial. Thanks for making it available to the world. Awesome
@joshuadavis8230
@joshuadavis8230 8 ай бұрын
Well done sir! I think the fishing world can stand to benefit from statistical sampling. Only if if it's done according to a protocol. I use it more in a statistical transect manner based on current weather and water conditions.
@geoffmurphy3407
@geoffmurphy3407 8 ай бұрын
Awesome vid! Been following for a while, considering getting a kayak. Appreciate the info and great explanation of how the data was gathered
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thank you support!
@thehonfleur
@thehonfleur 8 ай бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for taking your time to do this!!!
@chrisb.3722
@chrisb.3722 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Your videos have really helped out with my Kokanee success rate.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Chris!
@achilles5929
@achilles5929 4 ай бұрын
This is brilliant! Great work! And thank you!
@cameronstetler9549
@cameronstetler9549 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Finally a chart I can trust!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Right? I feel the same way. LOL
@debramilligan114
@debramilligan114 15 күн бұрын
I watched both of your videos and if I understand them correctly at 1.5 mph 4 oz and 6 oz both go to roughly 45 feet with a 150 feet of line out
@Mark-dj5qf
@Mark-dj5qf 8 ай бұрын
Excellent, thank you for doing that. Just ordered some stickers.
@nathancallan9376
@nathancallan9376 8 ай бұрын
This is amazing information. Just what I was looking for. Going to have to buy some stickers!
@joemarlow5209
@joemarlow5209 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! I've been using Trig. Have a sheet with protractor print/angle/depth chart. Comments? A little crude but in the ballpark similar to your old formula. Will compare. Printed PDF's for now. Thx again Tyler!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thanks Joe!
@estric3246
@estric3246 8 ай бұрын
Thanks! Your videos have really helped me dial in my fishing! Cant wait for the data for chinook fishing in the future!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Glad to help!
@lucasjedwards
@lucasjedwards 8 ай бұрын
Hi Tyler! I've never fished with weights, I've always used a downrigger or leadcore line. Do you have a video that shows what the clip weight system is that you mentioned? I think it'd be interesting to see what it looks like and how to rig it. Thanks for making these videos and teaching us how to fish smarter, not harder!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Right here! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7SBnpCFlce6oJs.html
@mlcVideography
@mlcVideography 8 ай бұрын
Nice work. Thanks for the useful, in depth info
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@BC-ue3ku
@BC-ue3ku 8 ай бұрын
Great stuff Tyler!
@adrianb4439
@adrianb4439 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much for doing this!!
@CarpCommander
@CarpCommander 8 ай бұрын
Keep at it Tyler!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@williamfry6087
@williamfry6087 4 күн бұрын
The line length you need is the Cosecant of the entry angel of the line to the water X the depth you want. That's a trig function.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 4 күн бұрын
Might want to spell check that.
@Phishrman
@Phishrman 8 ай бұрын
This is fantastic information, Thank you so much!
@jonlewis7140
@jonlewis7140 8 ай бұрын
You're the best Tyler, Thanks!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@collinmc90
@collinmc90 8 ай бұрын
really interesting stuff. thanks for compiling all the data and taking the time do this! I like this kind of thing haha.
@brandonchristiansen1
@brandonchristiansen1 Ай бұрын
Where are you clipping the weight on the line? I’m new to your channel and i can’t seem to find a video explaining how far off your dodger you clipping on at. Thank you as you are making this journey a million times easier.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Check out this video Why I Love Snap Weights for Kokanee Fishing kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7SBnpCFlce6oJs.html
@brandonchristiansen1
@brandonchristiansen1 Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt Thank you my man!!
@elbrus65
@elbrus65 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate your meticulous work brother! Thank you for that chart. In support bought one of your t shirts and a table . One of these days hope to meet you in the field. Any plans to fish for Banks lake whitefish through the ice? My favorite thing to do if we going to get ice this winter on that water. Blessings to you and your family!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Much appreciated!
@vortexrl1
@vortexrl1 22 күн бұрын
Good Stuff, great job Thanks for all you time & effort. I plan to follow your page and possible join...
@philiptrump8472
@philiptrump8472 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video thank you so much!
@adamsnyder9347
@adamsnyder9347 8 ай бұрын
I bet you wished you had the Auto Pilot just for this lol. I’ll be printing these up and using the laminator at work just like I did with the old school “guess and go” chart I previously referenced.
@frankpiacentino9236
@frankpiacentino9236 3 ай бұрын
Great content and depth of trolling speeds knowledge. How can a get a copy of charts
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 3 ай бұрын
You can get it here: spilt-milt-store.creator-spring.com/listing/depth-table-for-trolling-with
@tla1950
@tla1950 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for your great videos.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate that!
@stevew5212
@stevew5212 8 ай бұрын
Most excellent.
@travisyates9633
@travisyates9633 8 ай бұрын
Love your videos and appreciate all your knowledge that you share with everyone. Thank you so very much for these charts, this has always been a question of mine. During your test runs. How were you setting up the snap weights in location to the sensor? Typically you have your snap weight 20-30 feet from your gear. Did you replicate that? Were you using dodgers? Or were you just hooking the weight to the line by the sensor? Curious to know how that will affect the data. Again thanks for all you do and provide to us all.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Weight is next to the sensor. I did not replicate the 30' setback on the snap weight in this trial nor did I run dodgers. I will test dodger variations and their impacts at a future date.
@adventurer412
@adventurer412 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate the content! Sent you some $Thanks$ from Boise, ID
@shawnkelley7766
@shawnkelley7766 3 ай бұрын
Many Thanks for all your super helpful information. Looking at your chart I am baffled how 1 oz at 30' could be 8' down at 1.5mph and only 4' down at the slower 1.2mph.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 3 ай бұрын
Probably just measurement error. In reality very few people are going to be fishing with just 30’ of line out and biologically speaking in terms of fishing the difference between 4’ and 8’ deep is going to be negligible
@shawnkelley7766
@shawnkelley7766 3 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt In the early season (now) the fish in my area are being caught in 4-10 ft of water. I know some folks will run 80-90ft of line with a clip-weight at only 20-30ft back to target these shallow water fish. The downrigger folks are only down 6ft. So I'm trying to figure out the combinations that will accurately keep me in the 4-10ft range with 10lb test at 1.2mph
@TylerPham94
@TylerPham94 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the work Tyler, any comment on the descrepancies between your data and "Precision Trollings"? I've spent the money on their dive curves but I noticed it's vastly different than what you found
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I'm not sure how precision trolling verified all their data. I know they said they used scuba divers but did they verify depth along the entire curve or did they extrapolate from a few data points? That's the reason I wanted my own chart.
@tomdaniels1297
@tomdaniels1297 13 күн бұрын
All of the sockeye fisheries trolling speeds at .8 to 1 mph is there a trolling depth chart for those slower speeds and using 6-10 oz. cannon balls?
@matthewperry3996
@matthewperry3996 26 күн бұрын
Hey spilt, I recently got into Kayak trolling for trout in lakes and have watched a lot of your videos to educate myself in order to learn how to fish. I really appreciate your information, its invaluable. I wanted to share something and maybe hear your thoughts on this device I have been using this year, its the 'angler innovation long liner' for trolling without downriggers. It's essentially like using snap weights but the device unsnaps on a bite (depending on the resistance you set it at) and slides down towards your dodger, lure, etc... so you don't have to stop reeling mid way through to take the snap weight off mid reel. Just wanted to share if you have not seen this yet. I have purchased two and have run 1 to 3 oz weights and have been messing around with my speed in order to observe my depth. I'm curious of your thoughts on this device, thanks!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 26 күн бұрын
Yes I covered this device in a previous video
@matthewperry3996
@matthewperry3996 26 күн бұрын
@@spiltmilt Do you know which video? I'd love to check it out
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 25 күн бұрын
Weight Systems for Targeting Kokanee at Depth Without a Downrigger kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLiAiZaQp569h5s.html
@daveengstrom9250
@daveengstrom9250 8 ай бұрын
This is dynamite! I'm good for $10. Thanks for making this video.
@richfeffer
@richfeffer 2 ай бұрын
Questions: How far from the flasher and lure do you put your snap weight on? Does the line out distance refer to the number of feet from the reel, the tip of the rod, the amount of line between the snap weight and the gear, or what?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 2 ай бұрын
The chart is based on distance from rod tip to weight. I typically let out 30’ of line then clip in
@richfeffer
@richfeffer 2 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt Thank you! Your videos are awesome. As a NW kayak fisherman, fishing is such an overwhelming learning curve and Im finally getting the hang of it especially thanks to your vids.
@andylam83
@andylam83 2 ай бұрын
Hi big fan of you. Your the reason I pick up fishing for trout and kokanee... but I been skunking have not caught anything on my kayak yet been on the waters 4 tines already . I am using a leadcore line you got any advise for me about the depths and speed? Or can I also use lead weight clip with the leadcore line?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 2 ай бұрын
My first piece of advice is to get rid of the lead core. Where are you fishing? What’s the surface temps? Can you see fish on your fishfinder?
@andylam83
@andylam83 2 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt I'm fishing at a lake called shaver lake in California. It go as deep as 100 feet my fish finder would mark the kokanee around 60 feet at noon time when I was fishing the water temp at the time was around 72 degrees and the weather temp was 92 degree . I was using leadcore line with downrigger on kayak but couldn't get deep enough. By time I was around 45 feet the line keeps coming off the downrigger
@andylam83
@andylam83 2 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt I will get rid of the lead core what do you recommend? For line and weight?
@krismclinden4243
@krismclinden4243 8 ай бұрын
Great content 4 stickers bought. Any idea should this be similar for bottom bouncers for walleye?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I am typically trolling bottom bounces slower than 1.2 mph so they should drop a bit faster. Also I'm usually relying on the action of the rod indicate if I'm on the bottom anyways.
@ehdcoyote
@ehdcoyote 8 ай бұрын
A little devise called Fish hawke is invaluable for finding lure depth
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I have one too! A very valuable tool.
@richfeffer
@richfeffer 2 ай бұрын
Hey Tyler, one other question. How would line weight change the chart? I plan to use one of my heavier Kokanee rids for sockeye trolling, and I'd like to use 12 or 14# test on that rod. I assume a larger diameter line would provide a slightly more drag and pull the lure up in the water column a little, is that right? If yes, Im not sure if it would be a significant amount or if it would be negligible. Thanks!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 2 ай бұрын
Yes you’ll run a bit shallower with 12 lb but not by much
8 ай бұрын
Fn' Awesome, Thanks a lot sr!!
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
Cannonballs…I should have mentioned that sorry
8 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt you did. watching this for the third time to make sure I get it all. :) sorry.
@paulpobanz5546
@paulpobanz5546 8 күн бұрын
Just to clarify. Does the total line out include the 40 ft of line out before snap weight is clipped on or does the line out counting start after snap is placed. Thx Tyler
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 күн бұрын
After
@larryhuman5824
@larryhuman5824 8 ай бұрын
Tyler, maybe I missed it, but did you say where on the line you attach your snap weight to make the charts accurate? I assume close to the dodger?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
No dodger. I clip the weight and the sensor right next to each other.
@larryhuman5824
@larryhuman5824 8 ай бұрын
Right, so in a in a typical kokanee fishing situation seems like the weight would need to be close to the dodger for the chart info to apply@@spiltmilt
@davidlortie9153
@davidlortie9153 5 ай бұрын
Great video, would you guess using the 50/50 method with snap weights would yield similar results?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 5 ай бұрын
What is the 50/50 method?
@davidlortie9153
@davidlortie9153 5 ай бұрын
It is the method off shore tackle uses for the snap weights they sell, they must be bigger in the Midwest. But basically you would let out 50 feet and apply your snap weight and then let out another 50 feet of line. So you’ll have 100 feet out which is a bit but it’s consistent
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 5 ай бұрын
That really isn't relevant here. This is an absolute measure of where the weight is in the water column
@timmoore9736
@timmoore9736 8 ай бұрын
Ordered two. Jut a curious question - I use in-line banana sinkers which theoretically should produce sligntly less drag than a snap-on weight - but my guess is that it will not create much depth difference. Any thoughts?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I'd think banana weights would get you slightly deeper being more hydrodynamic.
@gooddaysimon
@gooddaysimon Ай бұрын
Are you tracking your speed with your fishfinder?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Yes
@marvinrosenau8491
@marvinrosenau8491 Ай бұрын
Why 10 lb test mono? I use much greater breaking strength but in braided line (but I use a downrigger, but the issue is still the same). Braided main line has the advantage of using thin line, but more strength vis a vis any mishaps that might occur when a fish is on. My leader is still mono.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Because 90% of Kokanee anglers use 10 lb mono
@marvinrosenau8491
@marvinrosenau8491 Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt Interesting. Maybe it is a bit different up here in BC. I find that when the water is rough and things are flying around and getting tangled, the heavier mainline allows for easier maintenance of gear when chaos ensues. Particularly on heavy downrigging gear and it is windy and the boat is being blown around. I don't find that Kokanee are particularly leader shy which makes sense since they are striking lures and baits that in no way resemble Daphnia, which is their main food supply, at least after the Chironomid hatches have abated and the plankton blooms have started in the spring... Something different is working in the brain of a Kokanee (unlike say trout) which doesn't seem to require the angler to match the hatch for Kokes.
@verdeanpetersen8350
@verdeanpetersen8350 8 ай бұрын
Does Anderson have kings in it.
@shawnclements14
@shawnclements14 8 ай бұрын
I use 40lb braid with 6 ounces at 1.5mph on a sliding rig and I can see my setup on my fish finder. With a 100 feet of line I was around 75 feet deep. Considering my setup would be on the edge of my sonar cone, would it not be very reliable in giving me my correct depth? I would think line type would make a difference considering mono and braid have different densities, so maybe that's where my discrepancy starts?
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
40 lb braid and 10 lb Maxima have the same diameter of 0.012 inches. Mono is more buoyant and hydrophobic than braid so I think your 75' depths seems reasonable based on what I've observed.
@shawnclements14
@shawnclements14 8 ай бұрын
@spiltmilt Wow, thank you for the assurance. It's crazy how many little variables there are.
@brianb.3670
@brianb.3670 8 ай бұрын
Tyler Hey I ordered those trolling graphs and never received, been two weeks. Any idea when they will be delivered? Brian
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
You'll need to check with Spring directly but if give me your order number I can check its status.
@stingray4540
@stingray4540 8 ай бұрын
As an engineer, I love data like this. But, if I was going to offer some unsolicited criticism, I would use the data logger as the 1oz weight, place it about where you normally would and put a dodger/lure rig behind it. Then add 1oz to the data logger for your 2oz measurement, etc. I think this would allow for the most accurate real world estimate of depth. But, regardless, the data you have provided is an invaluable tool. I look forward to future tests with gear.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
As a statistician and someone with a basic understanding of physics (1 year of applied physics in college) it actually makes more sense to subtract the effect of the data logger rather than to use it in place of the 1 oz cannonball. The reason being is there is absolutely no way the density and drag created by the data logger in any way resembles that of a 1 oz lead cannonball.
@stingray4540
@stingray4540 8 ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt well, I hated my physics classes in college, so you probably know better than me. I think the only way to know for sure is to send a diver down to physically measure it… I got a guy, I’ll send him over with a tape measure, haha.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
I hated physics too but that is mostly because my professor seemed stoned most of the time and was more interested in hitting on girls in the class.
@chorn103
@chorn103 8 ай бұрын
Tyler, did you include the weight of the data logger in your chart? Does 1oz on your figures mean a 1oz sinker plus the ~1oz data logger or just the logger?
@chorn103
@chorn103 8 ай бұрын
Also, I appreciate your scientific approach to these sorts of questions. I ask my fishing buddies about stuff like this & get blank stares 😂
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt 8 ай бұрын
No its subtracted as I explain in the video.
@chorn103
@chorn103 8 ай бұрын
Copy. I watched again and now understand. Not sure how I missed that the first time.
@fishon111
@fishon111 Ай бұрын
I am perplexed about how with 1 oz at 20 - 50 feet of line out you get so much more depth at 1.5 mph as at 1.2.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Drag
@fishon111
@fishon111 Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt Yes but I would expect it to have the opposite effect rather than turning the weight into a diver at higher speed.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Line drag creates lift
@nw_angler
@nw_angler Ай бұрын
I'm finding that these tables vary quite widely from the troll master app. I'm left entirely uncertain what to trust.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
What is their data based on? Are they transparent
@nw_angler
@nw_angler Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt For example. Using 30 lb braid, 2 oz cannonball on a slider, a paulina peak performance dodger and fly at 1.2 mph the app will give me about 69 feet to reach 35 feet deep. This varies rather widely with your chart which would, at best, require 150 feet. Again, not saying you're wrong, but it's just very different answers. You can imagine where my uncertainty comes from.
@nw_angler
@nw_angler Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt Sorry for the spam of notifications... I do acknowledge that there are many variables in play here that would impact the actual depths. The disparity is wide enough though to raise doubts.
@spiltmilt
@spiltmilt Ай бұрын
Well I use tables and I catch fish I’m marking so that’s all I need. Not like I’m charging anything for mine
@nw_angler
@nw_angler Ай бұрын
@@spiltmilt for sure. Being an analytical person from what I can gather I thought it would be somewhat interesting to hear the disparity between other tools. Zero offense intended. 🙂
@gabebraafladt4043
@gabebraafladt4043 3 ай бұрын
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@scottevel4673 8 ай бұрын
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@scottevel4673 8 ай бұрын
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@scottevel4673 8 ай бұрын
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