How to Extend Short Wires per 2023 NEC 300.14

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How to Extend Short Wires per 2023 NEC 300.14

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@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Wago makes 2 inline connectors. The 221-2411 is rated up to 14AWG. The Wago 221-2401 is rated to 12AWG. Also, the Ideal 30-1042 SpliceLine In-Line Wire Connectors are rated to 12AWG. Links for all of these are in my video description.

@frankrosemeck9898 Жыл бұрын

When did Scotty Kilmer start doing electrical work?

@bluecar5556 Жыл бұрын

Of all mechanics, how Scotty Kilmer gets the most views is beyond me. Whyyy. hahaha

@CivicSiFTW Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@rudekid82 Жыл бұрын

That's an insult

@bluecar5556 Жыл бұрын

@@rudekid82 I've learned a lot from Scotty but some information and advice he gives is questionable. If you want to watch someone who provides much more accurate information, check out Car care nut channel for Toyotas and The Car Wizard to name a few.

@armandol1826 Жыл бұрын

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@eugenepolan1750 Жыл бұрын

Bill, thanks for pointing out the Wago Inline Splicing Connectors - I had been using the 2-conductor Wago lever-nuts for situations such as these, but they are less than ideal for the reasons you pointed out.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Eugene!

@Bapuji42 13 сағат бұрын

Quick, to the point, and no excessive talking or hand gestures.

@Eddy63 Жыл бұрын

Good vid Bill ... Love them Wago's ... Thx ...

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Eddy. Have a great weekend!

@frankspliff7037 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for showing these inline wagos I didn’t know they existed

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, there are 2 kinds of the inline Wagos. One is rated to 14AWG and one is rated to 12AWG. The Ideal inline connector is rated to 12AWG.

@ethelryan257 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful, very clearly explained. Thank You!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks!

@FixthisCD Жыл бұрын

Thanks for your code updates. Nothing annoys me more than short wires when changing outlets.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No problem 👍. Thanks!

@timdyer7692 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the good information, Bill! It's always nice to hear a clear explanation and see samples.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim!

@rogerdevero8726 Жыл бұрын

Sparky, you're a good teacher, with clear (no distracting music) information. Thank You John 3:16

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

It hard enough to learn these codes without some dumb music in the background!🤣 Thanks Roger!

@PatrickEArchuleta-fs8bv 4 ай бұрын

Your work is second to none outstanding work thanks for video,may God continue to bless you and your family.

@TomCheer9 Жыл бұрын

Sparky sounds just like Scotty Kilmer! Thinks just as clearly too.

@MrKen59 Жыл бұрын

Awesome review and appreciate the clarity. A lot of my boxes needed conductors extended. The installer used wire nuts without cleaning paint off the copper and had to be trimmed. Yet another benefit of wago style splice as it’s less destructive to the wire when you need to make changes. I do like the ideal lever nuts over wago as the lever feels far more reliable.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@meawreg Жыл бұрын

this is informative and very applicable, I can't tell you the mind warping ideas I've had to come up with to solve what you demonstrated. Then again.. I know Electricians in different states and it's (rules) different everywhere.. which is also kind of awkward.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@jayvanwyck4717 Жыл бұрын

Thank for providing the clarity to the code, I can’t tell you how much you do to support knowledge and right way first time! You are the man! I another thing that makes you such a great teacher is you talk slow and are honest!😊

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Jay!

@wingman8447 Жыл бұрын

Nice splice connector. Makes sense. Thank you

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

You bet. Thanks!

@oshtoolman Жыл бұрын

From one of your past videos, I purchased the box or plastic case of Wago connectors. Love them!! I did not get the splicers in that box, so had to use the two junction type. Still worked better than wire nuts and tape!!!! Thanks for teaching me about those things!!!!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Have a great weekend!

@alexmaccity Жыл бұрын

You get the wire stretchers out. I keep them right by the pipe stretcher

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

LOL!

@WillieMakeit Жыл бұрын

And left of the bag of shingle rocks

@firsteerr Жыл бұрын

we in the UK have had these wagos for sometime , we also have connectors from ideal which are permanent (meaning no levers) which are more compact

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@brianpurchase7799 Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you! I see you have multiple Amazon links in the video description, but do you have an Amazon shop page? It will let you categorize all your links in one place!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No, not yet. I should do that though.

@luckyboltz29 Жыл бұрын

This is where the wire stretcher would come in handy

@larryreno8293 Жыл бұрын

Do you have a link or part number for this tool?

@Gruntled2001 Жыл бұрын

Yep, that’s in my toolset, next to the propeller washer fluid

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

lol!

@billwilliams972 Жыл бұрын

I must say you are the best I can't sleep sometimes 3:00 in the morning I'm looking at the Sparky Channel LOL I'm retired plumber electrician and where were you 50 years ago?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I love it! A plumber/electrician. Why on earth can't a guy be both a plumber and electrician? And be really good at both too? Why not? Sparky Channel is probably a good choice at 3AM because I'll put you to sleep....just kidding!

@tedmcdonald3377 Жыл бұрын

Have a great weekend Bill 😎🛠️😎🛠️😎

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

You too. thanks Ted!

@robertarguello1115 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for showing that WAGO LEVER NUTS has a connector that accommodates the lengthening of a short wire by introducing two wires in a two wire connector. 👍

@gokblok Жыл бұрын

I feel like I'm listening to Scotty Kilowatt-mer

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

LOL! Good one!

@JFlywheel Жыл бұрын

I'm glad someone cares about this stuff because the home inspectors have never even looked in a box here.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I understand.

@glennferris5056 Жыл бұрын

Home inspector's are useless to anyone, no real trade, book learned, home seller, buyers don't like the real facts about the house being inspected, no liability for a piece of paper and you find they missed alot and cost you money down the road

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@glennferris5056 yes, and it really depends on whether the buyer or the seller hires the home inspector. The home inspectors are very much biased for the buyer if the buyer pays for the home inspection and vice versa. That isn't for all inspectors but it does happen.

@mrpriceisright 4 күн бұрын

Great job. and a nice pic of Avalon bay

@whitetiger8652 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Sparky!!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No problem, thanks!

@johnnelson9309 5 ай бұрын

WOW, you really went all the way around the barn on this one. You should use the k.i.s.s. method.

@Bapuji42 13 сағат бұрын

which is?

@Roy-ij1wq 10 ай бұрын

When splicing a short wire, I've found that It's a good idea to tape the Wago levers shut to prevent them from accidently opening. I then fold the spliced wire at the back of the box. If additional wires need to be connected, I create pigtails and use a 3 or 5 space Wago connector.

@jamisongillespie3524 Жыл бұрын

Every box the previous owner of my home worked on has the shortest wires seemingly possible to make the connection. It's so annoying. I'm definitely getting some of these.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I agree. Thanks!

@glasshalffull2930 Жыл бұрын

As a long time DIYer, these Wago connectors are a great invention! No more struggling with wire nuts and ‘hoping’ they’re a good connection and the ease of completing the task and solving the short wire problem.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@glasshalffull2930 Right on!

@patriot1303 Жыл бұрын

I didn’t realize those splicing connectors existed - pretty cool and I like them because they look like they would take up less space than the wago that as you pointed out sends the pigtail initially back toward the box

@cxrdz6037 Жыл бұрын

Right, I started noticing them more often now

@aurvaroy6670 Жыл бұрын

Love those in-line connectors. Had to use a couple for the insanely short ground wires the the electricians who wired my house left in nearly every 1 gang box

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Oh boy....

@skyemac8 Жыл бұрын

Wagos for the win! Thanks Bill.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

You bet. Thanks!

@pingpong9656 Жыл бұрын

Most electrician leave a little extra loop above box - just pull wire in further, and trim them to same length... no splice!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Great tip! Thanks!

@RobertLeBlancPhoto Жыл бұрын

In-line lever lock connectors are great for extending short wires, but they're still not as compact as a butt splice. However, the problem with butt splices are that you often can't get the crimping tool in there to crimp them because the wires are so short. Does anyone make a Push-In type in-line connector? They would be almost as compact as a butt splice but would not require crimping.

@brianpurchase7799 Жыл бұрын

IDEAL makes an inline push in connector that is about 25% shorter but nearly twice the width. They should work just as well, unless the wire is so short, you can’t hold it to put while splicing.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Link for other viewers: Ideal 30-1042 SpliceLine In-Line Wire Connectors (Box of 100): Amazon: amzn.to/3ztkzMW

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

Little known fact, but the Wago lever connectors are push in for solid wire! You only have to open the lever when inserting stranded wire, and obviously when removing wires.

@rogerdevero8726 Жыл бұрын

Liked & Subscribed. Sparky, You're a thorough teacher, expressing yourself clearly. Thank you Romans 10:9

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks and welcome!

@thomasglessner6067 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, Bill. More good info especially for 2023.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

My pleasure, thanks!

@dfirth224 Жыл бұрын

I love Wago connectors. So much better than wire nuts. Invented in Germany and they have been using them for years.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Right on!

@gdavis8588 Жыл бұрын

I happened across those while searching for standard Wagos on the internet a couple of weeks ago. I have some now.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Sounds good!

@renanszmiranda Жыл бұрын

Thanks

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Welcome, thanks Renan!

@SqurlMstrPWN Жыл бұрын

Very helpful, I appreciate it!!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@TK-dv5ct Жыл бұрын

Wago connectors just awesome. Itossed cans of twist typed away.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I like them too!

@Helios_Seti 11 ай бұрын

La verdad se aprende muchísimo de estas explicaciones sencillas y prácticas, luego me dicen que soy exagerado.

@SparkyChannel 11 ай бұрын

¡Gracias!

@vince6829 Жыл бұрын

Good information. Thank you for sharing your knowledge. Much appreciated.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@bretgreen5314 Жыл бұрын

Great info; thank you

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@MrTooTechnical Жыл бұрын

Awesome sauce

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

😋 Thanks Dave!

@robertstonebreaker8394 Жыл бұрын

I got to get some those wago wire splicer connectors I have been using the two wire they are fine anything smaller is great help .

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Sounds good! Wago makes 2 inline connectors. The 221-2411 is rated up to 14AWG. The Wago 221-2401 is rated to 12AWG. Also, the Ideal 30-1042 SpliceLine In-Line Wire Connectors are rated to 12AWG. Links for all of these are in my video description.

@thepressedpig5397 8 ай бұрын

Can you do this im your panel box as well, in order for your wire to reach the circuit breaker? I accidentally cut it too short! ❤

@slump6982 Жыл бұрын

I was just dealing with this problem today it's so annoying. I wish I had one of those Wagos you had there.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, it is an annoying situation.

@garydudgeon Жыл бұрын

Another great video Sparky.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary!

@arnieselectric007 Жыл бұрын

Hey Bill, hope all is well...I just ordered a 60 ct box from you...Blessings buddy...

@TheJrsPapa Жыл бұрын

just a thought but i wouldn't pull all the wires to one side or the other to measure them i would pull them straight out of the box to measure

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I would pull the wire straight out of the box to measure them. I just pulled them to the side because of my camera angle. If I pull them straight towards the camera, no one could tell exactly how long they were.

@kenbrown2808 Жыл бұрын

to me the downside of the straight splice would be that it has twice the rigid length of the lever nut. sometimes that will be more of a problem than needing a little extra tail for the lever nut. but certainly the worst splice to use in this situation is the hardware store compression splices they can rarely be made secure in that situation.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, getting a splicing tool into the box might be one problem. Thanks Ken!

@kenbrown2808 Жыл бұрын

@@SparkyChannel those cheap crimp splices don't work well on solid wire to begin with.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@kenbrown2808 Yep.

@B5Blue1968 Жыл бұрын

Another great video Bill, love Wago lever nuts, i've been using a 2 port Wago to extend short wires. I sent you an email in regards to a question.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Hom Electrical has the 12AWG ones (221-2401) 60 for $24: www.homelectrical.com/wire-connector/wago-wag-2212401.1.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnvOaBhDTARIsAJf8eVOnXZ87ZYgNY5Ac63GA0Uytc7Qjcjrn_CNhOUhddTQFCNmnVcuO9UMaAqWAEALw_wcB

@plandl1 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the newer Code but in experience the drawings are being drawn 4-5 years ago and so the older codes are being enforced.

@outlet6989 Жыл бұрын

Is there a limit to how many wire extensions you can do in one box? I use WAGOs when doing my DIY electrical work. Their splicer device looks great, but it seems to be on the long side. I'd like to see them make a new two-wire connector that has one of the two ports reversed. This would be very helpful in many situations and take up less space in the box.

@cm1133 Жыл бұрын

Good idea. Call and recommend it.

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

There are rules on how many conductors can be in a box and how much of the boxes volume can be used. Too much for a comment but if it looks to full it probably is.

@cm1133 Жыл бұрын

@@ydnark83 the short answer is yes there are rules. It would take several pages to list those rules.

@paulraptis8384 Жыл бұрын

Very helpful video! Question. Can the spliced wire be pigtailed to other wires in the box? For example, could you pigtail the red wire you spliced to another red wire in the box?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@illestofdemall13 Жыл бұрын

@@SparkyChannel I'd rather bring the other wire and the short wire to the connector and pigtail from there, rather than lengthening a short wire, connecting it to another and pigtailing from there. It's more connectors and kind of redundant. I like to remove anything unnecessary from a junction box.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@illestofdemall13 I'm not really understanding what you're saying on this one. I'm sure you're correct but it's not sinking in right now. :)

@illestofdemall13 Жыл бұрын

@@SparkyChannel Imagine a junction box with 2 cables coming into it, each with hot, neutral and ground. Now imagine if I wanted to pigtail the black wires, I'd add a pigtail and connect the other two black wires together with my pigtail. Even if one of them was short, I'd leave it short and arrange it so the other would reach and then I'd pigtail. What Paul was asking is if he could lengthen a short wire, join it to another and pigtail it. So he is using 2 wire connectors to do what I was doing with one.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@illestofdemall13 I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain that. Yes, I would do the same as it's one less wire connector and it achieves the same result. That pigtail coming out of the wire connector would now have to reach at least 3" outside the box though, according to the new 2023 NEC. That's my interpretation.

@lonedesertfox Жыл бұрын

Thank you Bill!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No problem, thanks!

@macmcmillen6282 Жыл бұрын

I live in a really old house with cloth sheathing wires. Is it okay to splice a new style wire to an old cloth sheathed wire?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes. Of course, if you can change everything out to new modern cables and wire, that's best.

@eh42 Жыл бұрын

What do you do if the goof before you cut the ground wire right at the entrance to the box? (ie: not connected to anything, barely 1/4" visible in the box ) ? Fortunately for me, they were as sloppy as they were dumb and there was ~2-3" of slop in the wall so I could pull a bit more into the box to connect it to the box's ground screw and then add a pigtail to that to the outlet. Not sure if that is proper code these days, but the outlet tester settled down and stopped complaining about an open ground.

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

loosen the wire clamp and see if you can pull it in more wire, if your lucky there will be an extra 6" of loose wire you can pull into the box (called a service loop)

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

maybe I should have read the whole comment. pull the wire harder, I think you only got half the service loop and got hung up on the bend in it. that extra wire isn't sloppy, its code

@eh42 Жыл бұрын

@@ydnark83 Interesting. It was janky all around. Have not lived there for over 15 years. But the wiring in that house was..... special. One outlet did not have any ground coming to it - very old 2 conductor, no ground wire with very fragile insulation. Wire was behind a tiled wall. The hack that was done there was to tie neutral and ground together in the box so the outlet tester was happy (although I suspect no inspector would be!).

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

@@eh42 you might have aluminum wire, if you do you need wire connectors that are meant for connecting alum and copper and overhandling the aluminum wire will make it brittle and crumbly. That might be why its too short in the first place too..

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

a good outlet tester would show that the ground and neutral are bonded

@kpogatchnik Жыл бұрын

Very helpful!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

So glad!

@jkanclark Жыл бұрын

Like what would the NEC have you do other than splice it? Tear out the wall and install a new run?

@mckenziekeith7434 Жыл бұрын

Pull it out through the conduit and run a new wire. If the whole installation was done following code, you would not have to tear out the wall to run new wire.

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

@@mckenziekeith7434 For 95%+ of residential construction wiring code does not require conduit, so that isn't a thing, and code does require the wire be affixed to the studs, so you cannot remove existing wire without removing drywall, though you might be able to leave it in place unused and just fish a new run along the same or similar path.

@mckenziekeith7434 Жыл бұрын

@@msytdc1577 I guess that is true. It is usually NMC behind sheetrock. I guess you can tell I am not an electrician. Most of the electrical work I have done has been outdoors, so I used conduit. But in residential interior construction that would not be the case.

@zachosborne6577 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a good rule for wire lengths

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, I think it's reasonable.

@AllAroundTube50 Жыл бұрын

Your interpretation is taking the wires and bending them 90 degrees in one direction and then measuring 3" in either direction, but does the interpretation need to mean 'bend the wires' and go 3" from either side of the opening? Couldn't it just mean that the wires need to extend 3" straight out from the opening in the wall"?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, you're correct. However, in a video, if you run the wire straight towards the camera, no one can tell how long the wires are.

@normferguson2769 Жыл бұрын

We regularly add splices in boxes to add extra wires to feed switches from a group of black power wires or white neutral. Not a big deal. Wago is the new change from Marr connectors.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Norm!

@Guardducks Жыл бұрын

Hey bill, great video.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@glasshalffull2930 Жыл бұрын

Bill, Have a great Halloween! I made a flying saucer inflatable and it’s illuminated with the help of Wagos. Properly grounded of course. 😉

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

As long as they are properly grounded. LOL! Happy Halloween!

@davidgagnon2849 Жыл бұрын

If it's grounded, it'll never fly!

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

@@davidgagnon2849 LOL!

@glasshalffull2930 Жыл бұрын

@@davidgagnon2849 With the slight breeze last night, All Hallows Eve, it actually did try to fly down the street! Great fun for everyone!

@71dembonesTV Жыл бұрын

i like the wagos; got to get some of those splices.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Sounds good.

@outlet6989 Жыл бұрын

Does the word 'AMAZON' ring a bell?

@jacktse743 Жыл бұрын

Thank you

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No problem, thanks!

@steveloux4709 Жыл бұрын

I might have been inclined, depending on how short the wire was, to use a crimp sleeve and solder it. But good job avoiding all the European nay-sayers by recommending the Wago product! :p

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@calculator1841 Жыл бұрын

Europeans went to metric because they are too stupid to know fractions. Ask them what's half of 3/4ths? Metric is terrible.

@jefffree6990 Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Good to know that you can splice - most the old outlets in my house give no more than 2 inches (and that before you trim any damaged ends). But about the inline Wago splicer - I'm having a little trouble finding it on amazon - the one i found seems to be rated Solid conductor: 20...14 AWG ( 221-2411 the one you used ) . theres a 12 AWG version 221-2401 but at the moment i can only find it in lots of 2500 ( my house isn't that big :)

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, the 12AWG Wago splicer is Wago 221-2401 Inline splicing connector with lever; for all conductor types; 12 AWG (max.); 2-conductor; transparent housing; white cover: www.wago.com/us/wire-splicing-connectors/inline-splicing-connector-with-lever/p/221-2401 The 221-2411's are rated 14-18AWG. Hom Electrical has the 12AWG ones 60 for $24: www.homelectrical.com/wire-connector/wago-wag-2212401.1.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjwnvOaBhDTARIsAJf8eVOnXZ87ZYgNY5Ac63GA0Uytc7Qjcjrn_CNhOUhddTQFCNmnVcuO9UMaAqWAEALw_wcB

@lightinside87 Жыл бұрын

Bill or anyone know how to strip a #2 awg without knife? I mean I can do it with a knife but sometimes I sure would like a much easier cleaner way of stripping it. I have searched the Google and I came across many stripping tools but not one that may be usable for a #2 wire. I might have missed it though. Any advice or name of tool?

@wlsnpndrvs8593 Жыл бұрын

Thermally. Precision torch tip , gloves and a pulled with appropriate twist. Strangle with single strand for clean insulation termination

@wlsnpndrvs8593 Жыл бұрын

I do marine quality battery cables. I was nasa trained in basic high quality soldering 1981. I have advanced since then

@mckenziekeith7434 Жыл бұрын

There are insulation cutting tools that rotate around the wire cutting the insulation. Sort of how a pipe-cutter works. This only works when you have a fair amount of room.

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

Take your pick: 1. Klein Tools 21051 Large Cable Stripper 2. C. K Tools 430004 Kabifix Cable Stripper 3. Jonard Tools CST-1900 4. KNIPEX 1620165SB 5. WEICON No. S4-28 And while you're at it treat yourself to a pair of KNIPEX StepCut Cable Shears in standard, comfort, or insulated grip style at your preference; they're a huge improvement over standard cutters when dealing with large gauge wiring conductors.

@dottmanca 5 ай бұрын

So, i removed a wall and need to move an electrical box to another wall. The main line wire is too short to reach the box at standard height, i have to move the box up about a foot. Can I use these wagos to add in a length of wire? I was researching and seems like if i did they would have to go in another electrical box? How would you do it?

@KameraShy Жыл бұрын

I don't know why they did that. The add-on bedroom in my house has the receptacle box wires cut so short you can barely attach them. Not even enough length to use a traditional wire nut. I had to replace one, and could not have done it without a Wago. The regular fit well in my application. Unfortunately the 12AWG Wago inline splicers are impossible or too expensive to get. The link here is for a pack of 60 - far more than most of us need. The Ideal version is available at Home Depot BUT do not appear to be UL approved.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Well, the 2 connector Wagos work great and they are rated for 12AWG so that works for me!

@billsmith9249 Жыл бұрын

Not sure which ideal's you're looking at on HD's website, go to lowes and type in "in line splicer" and you'll see a nice Ideal, UL LISTED splicer, item #30-1342S, cheap, in stock. AND, according to Ideals own site, under UL listing has the following: Rating: IEC 60998: 32A | 450V | 105°C max and UL 467: 20A| 600V |105°C

@aatonhernandez3561 Жыл бұрын

Thank you ! Useful info

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@orlandoa1761 Жыл бұрын

I perfer to wirenut it with a longer tail instead me personally

@FixthisCD Жыл бұрын

Me too, but sometimes it is too short for that, so I have wagos also

@anthonyesposito7 Жыл бұрын

Yeah those are great for this purpose. They even make in line push on connectors like wagos that have an opening at both ends instead of the connections being next to each other so you don't have to bend the wire around.

@ethelryan257 Жыл бұрын

Whatever floats your boat. My focus is on safe and reliable, first. Convenient, second. WAGOs meet all three. But then, I splice more wires in a day than most folks will in their lifetimes.

@MrKen59 Жыл бұрын

I am a big fan of the wago “style” connector. It’s much cleaner and offer’s easier changes down the road. I love the new ideal lever connectors over wago as the lever seems to be less prone to opening - if you can find them. They allow the installer to push in or use the lever to insert cable.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, wire nuts will work fine for splicing. It may be difficult to get your fingers in the box far enough to do a good job of twisting though.

@gamekingkiler Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

You're welcome, thanks!

@danev6972 Жыл бұрын

Can you use this technique to relocate an outlet a few feet away from the original location? Thx.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes. Just follow all codes.

@rodrigobarboza5566 Жыл бұрын

Hi Bill. I'll like to see another examples when you dont have those wago lever. Or when you have stranded wire. A I love all your videos..

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks Rodrigo! I'll see what I can do.

@R900DZ Жыл бұрын

Stranded wires can be inserted into wagos just fine

@Dirtyharry70585 Жыл бұрын

I prefer Waco side by side u should have cut the wire +8” and fold the connection in the back of the box

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Passions Жыл бұрын

Home owner here. I have only 2 inches of wire extending from the edge of the box, I can hookup my outlet just fine though. Should I use wagos to get that extra inch and become code compliant? Seems like a huge waste though, adding extra fail points, more cramped box, etc.

@tracykey9227 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't bother. You're good

@TheBrutalSax 11 ай бұрын

It’s fine how it is now. The code exists for servicing purposes, and if it needs to go any shorter because of something like the conductor at the end is worn it can easily be respliced with a new wire if needed.

@Lookin4Things Жыл бұрын

I invested in all of the different sizes and combinations of these, I haven't had to use any of these yet, but I'm still 50/50 confident upon inspections. I think Im in about 200$ for all the sizes and combinations. Seems to me shrink tubing will also be used?

@clownman-mq4ek Жыл бұрын

Good info.thanks.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No problem!

@virtuallyrealistic Жыл бұрын

Does that work for service panels as well as junction boxes?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No.

@tigerseye73 Жыл бұрын

You get a lot more conductor surface contact area with a twist-on wire nut, as opposed to the anyone-can-be-an-electrician snap clips. I would never trust clips to not overheat when used in a high current load application.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

OK, thanks.

@gailtaylor1636 Жыл бұрын

Wago are only splice connector approved for use in Europe. Seems to work there.

@JbVest Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mean I realize that they're used commonly nowadays, but I myself don't really trust them either. Especially in a high current application. As you said

@Jonathan_Doe_ Жыл бұрын

There’s a video of someone testing wagos and a few other connectors with a stick weld set. All the insulation had melted off the wires before the wago died. They’ll survive way higher than their rated amps.. We use them in the U.K. with out 240v 32amp/20 amp per leg ring final mains and they hold up fine.

@ChristianWagner888 Жыл бұрын

The US is one of very few countries still using wire nuts. Most of Europe has shifted to Wago connectors which can be used up to AWG10 wires rated up to 41A in Europe and 30A in the US. Wagos have been used in Germany successfully for more than 3 decades and they have a lower failure rate than other alternatives such as screw terminals which were previously used commonly in Germany.

@tommycho9068 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Thanks. P.S. Some of the companies did not providede the WAGO wire connected what else do we have as an option? Thank you.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Ideal 30-1042 SpliceLine In-Line Wire Connectors (Box of 100) 20-12 AWG Solid, 16-12 AWG Stranded: Amazon: amzn.to/3ztkzMW

@tommycho9068 Жыл бұрын

@@SparkyChannel thanks

@BartlettTFD Жыл бұрын

What about the “Ideal” brand of connector? They are sold at Home Depot. I stock both brands. I often prefer the “Ideal” connector. However, it is not suitable for stranded wire! Is “Ideal” a recommended brand?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Yes, Ideal is a highly respected brand. I have a link for the Ideal inline connector, as well as other Ideal wire connectors, in my video description.

@manmachinemake3708 Жыл бұрын

A question that may have been asked/answered already... Can a crimp type butt connector be used in these applications? I'm talking about the red, blue, yellow style that is often the norm in lower voltage (but often higher current) applications. Assuming proper heatshrink and /or tape covering is applied if and when needed. I am not an electchicken but do all my own work and prefer to be better than code in everything i do.

@jasonevans3520 Жыл бұрын

As long as they are listed for that use yes. They would have to be listed for use with the wire size and voltage.

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

I agree with Jason.

@mikefochtman7164 Жыл бұрын

As Jason said, the butt splice has to be listed for that application. And what I consider key is, are you sure you can install it properly? A lot of folks use simple butt splices with crude pliers-like crimpers and don't get a proper crimp. And some of the proper crimping tools can be too costly for the average DIYer. While WAGO may cost a tad more, the installation of them is dead simple as Sparky shows.

@manmachinemake3708 Жыл бұрын

I have been using the typical Butt splice connectors for 35+ years in low voltage applications. I have the correct crimpers and knowledge. I personally do not care for the wago style of connector as I've seen too many ofnthose type have weak connection and when higher current is pulled thtough them, they tend to get crispy over time. I understand they are NEC compliant but we all know of similar compliant items that fail over time/useage.

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

@@manmachinemake3708 Watch from 7:30 of the video titled "Connectors: Which is the Weakest Link" by the channel "Electromagnetic Videos". After 5 minutes at 50 amps the Wago push-in only connector failed when the current was raised to 65 amps, and the lever Wago failed at 70 amps. Wago connectors are more than safe when used within their rating, and do not get 'crispy over time', they have been used for decades in Germany without issue.

@zumbatan550 Жыл бұрын

what is the difference using a wire nut ?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

They will work great if you can get your fingers into the box to properly twist it. Those short wires can be frustrating to work with.

@markv.7842 Жыл бұрын

The twisted wire connection is going to be the best option with a wire nut. If you're not twisting, you're relying on whatever connector to make the connection for you. Depending on what is on a given line could be bad. I'd never use one for anything in a kitchen, but a bedroom outlet with only a light or a clock with little load would be better and make me more comfortable about the connection.

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

@@markv.7842 Watch from 7:30 of the video titled "Connectors: Which is the Weakest Link" by the channel "Electromagnetic Videos". After 5 minutes at 50 amps the Wago push-in only connector failed when the current was raised to 65 amps, and the lever Wago failed at 70 amps. Wago connectors are more than safe when used within their rating, and full load 20 amp circuits are well within their rating.

@markv.7842 Жыл бұрын

@@msytdc1577 How many service calls have you been on to power outages where root causes were failures in push in wire technologies? I've been on many over the last 10 years. You know what I've never seen fail? A twisted wire connection. So yeah I'll put all my experience against your youtube video any day.

@msytdc1577 Жыл бұрын

@@markv.7842 lol, okay boomer 👍🤓🤡

@michaelbradley7529 Жыл бұрын

Good info, however, the reasoning you gave for preferring one Wago connector over another wasn't really justified as you can make the extending pigtail the length it needs to be depending on the connector/splice you are using. Personally, I would measure the length of new wire (pigtail) I needed from the back of the box so I would have the required length with the splice point sitting at the back of the box (out of the way).

@mikefochtman7164 Жыл бұрын

So NEC-2023 allows you to splice onto short wires. Did the previous codes allow that? Many AHJ haven't adopted 2023 yet, so can you pick and choose which NEC version you're complying with?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

Please go to article 300.14 of the code book that covers the year that you need to know about. It will tell you the answer there.

@ydnark83 Жыл бұрын

I'll give you a straight answer, you can always splice wires in a box and that has been legal for over 30 years

@mr.d_88 Жыл бұрын

Have you made or plan to make any videos on transformers or motors? Also you seem to be residential oriented. Do you have any recommendations for channels that might be more "industrial sparky" oriented ?

@SparkyChannel Жыл бұрын

No plans at this time and no recommendations. Sorry about that.

@mr.d_88 Жыл бұрын

@@SparkyChannel oh well. Ill keep looking.

@nswsparky Жыл бұрын

I think you are missing a bit form that code. The 3 inches past the outside of the box apply only if the opening of the box is larger than 8" in either direction. So I take that to mean like a large 8" box for splicing in a false ceiling of attic. Then the wires don't have to be 6" long just extend past the opening 3 inches.

@reportingsjr Жыл бұрын

Heads up, you have this backwards. It says if the opening is _less than_ 200mm in any dimension, then the 150mm past the opening rule applies. So for an 8" box it doesn't need to extend past the opening, but a standard duplex box would need it to.

@thisgame1499 Жыл бұрын

they have to be both 6 inches and extend 3 inches past if the box is smaller than 8 inches in any direction, ie most outlet boxes in usa.