How to Fight with Chinese Broadsword 10- Stealing the Peach

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Taoist In Black

Taoist In Black

9 жыл бұрын

Here we cover the fun and quick technique for Stealing the Peach, a Peng energy technique about taking your opponents line. Have fun and let us know if you have any questions!
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@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 4 жыл бұрын
It's good to see practice of Chinese martial arts being revived from forms and manuals again, back into practice and practical application!
@zachariaravenheart
@zachariaravenheart 6 жыл бұрын
That’s actually really good. I think I’ve practiced it before on my own, but never realized it along with many techniques I seem to figure out on my own. As with the many other techniques 8 self learn, having them taught to me anyway helps me understand it way better. Thank you! :D
@saberserpent1134
@saberserpent1134 3 жыл бұрын
All about the dao/sueng dao. Applications vids are my fave. Liked, subbed, and sharing to my page. 👍
@skohtihamilton9443
@skohtihamilton9443 Жыл бұрын
This is awesome
@bobbertbobby3975
@bobbertbobby3975 4 жыл бұрын
interesting. I would love to see this with a person who is active but i understand the demo is easier that way. Nice you mentioned the footwork..often forgoten. I mainly have interests in HEMA not eastern styles but i could see this being used with some western style blades sabers...messers. all good. would you want to gve an opinion on disk handguards? Cause personally I hate them..think they are terrible and dangerous. Opinion?
@claemiller
@claemiller 6 жыл бұрын
hey random curiousity what system is this based off of and who wouldve been using it also for alot of the criticism obviously its not perfect 100% will defeat ten thousand swordsman and slice a mountain in half ect. it seems effective and the opponent can react of course but at no point is he ever in a poor position to defend from though i do wonder why slash (not that i think its wrong just curious of the reasoning behind it) i personally wouldve drove the point right into the bicep though it could just be my training
@NathanaelTheAussie
@NathanaelTheAussie 8 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, I do western combat from the year 1195 in my reenactment group so this is all very interesting to watch and compare :) I am actually looking at starting my own group in the future, a Chinese Reenactment group from the Ming Dynasty. Fighting styles like this have been documented in this period and I know I can possible use some of this. However could I ask a quick question? With this technique, if your opponent was wearing armour, as in a battle would most likely be the case, would there be a few possible alterations that could be added into the technique to make it effective? As from what I can imagine, some Ming forms of armour included what we call in the west 'chain-mail', simply sliding even a sharp blade along it will not do much to the wearer.
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 8 жыл бұрын
That's awesome that you do historical combat! Justin also studied Western fencing and has practiced traditional forms of both East and West. As for the technique vs armor, there are certainly modifications that can be made. Much of the answer to that question comes in basic sword control. In this demonstration we are illustrating a stolen cut to the elbow or bicep, which in armor would likely be protected as you point out, but the root concept behind steal the peach is about claiming space. The movement puts the sword to the inside of the opponent's guard thereby allowing a quick cut to an exposed area with less opportunity to defend. If an opponent was armored the cut would have to be redirected to an area where it could be more effective, an exposed shoulder or neck perhaps. Much of that would depend on the armor. Facing an armored opponent is often a much different game anyway, which I'm sure you know from your own practices, and 'stealing' technique are often less effective, but also less necessary, because your opponent is less vulnerable, but also less mobile so you'd be able to use heavier cuts against the armor. Still, with good edge control you could sneak a few things in!
@NathanaelTheAussie
@NathanaelTheAussie 8 жыл бұрын
Taoist In Black Cheers, thanks for the info :)
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 7 жыл бұрын
Opponent's aren't not necessarily less mobile in armour unless it's very poorly fitted or constructed.
@rakib2244
@rakib2244 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You may also want to checkout the review of how to fight on my blog at *edwinreviews. com/how-to-fight-review/* Thanks, Dell.
@Mars-ev7qg
@Mars-ev7qg 6 жыл бұрын
How did Chinese swords fair against Japanese officer's swords such as the type 94, 95, and 98 during world war two? Also how did Chinese soldiers use their swords to defeat Japanese bayonets?
@xlr8626
@xlr8626 2 жыл бұрын
what kind of swords are they?
@pipokatz
@pipokatz 9 жыл бұрын
Very interesting as always!Congrats! But when you do it to your right, is it really possible to perform this technique? Broadswords are generally pretty heavy and it would require a lot of strength to Peng the opponent's sword away effectively. Given what you explained and also that the right hand wrist could easily rotate to cover the body again. Cheers
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 9 жыл бұрын
Another great question Alvaro! The broadsword is heavy, but it is still possible to execute this technique even from the right. The secret is in the body position. You'll see that in the technique from the right there is a significant body shift, and a slight rotation. What this does is keep the body, and more importantly the hips behind the blade, allowing the Peng energy to come from the dan tian, rather then having to push the heavy weapon with the arm.
@pipokatz
@pipokatz 9 жыл бұрын
Taoist In Black Hummm, I see it, that's awesome
@governittybitty1034
@governittybitty1034 3 жыл бұрын
im studying this so i can animate a sword fight
@TimeFactorTrader
@TimeFactorTrader 5 жыл бұрын
wonder how these ideas differ from japanese katana and european broad sword fighting...
@caoquangthuan7914
@caoquangthuan7914 7 жыл бұрын
what is your blade material ? ,where i can buy it ?
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 7 жыл бұрын
These blades are polypropylene. We prefer these over metal for safety reasons, and over wood as they are more durable and closer in weight to combat weapons. You can find them in several places, but here is the link to them on Amazon: www.amazon.com/BladesUSA-E474-PP-Martial-Polypropylene-Training/dp/B00BMTZCKG/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1500489136&sr=8-2&keywords=chinese+broadsword
@kwanarchive
@kwanarchive 8 жыл бұрын
Where can you buy those practice swords?
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 8 жыл бұрын
+kwanarchive www.darkknightarmoury.com/c-6-larp-weapons.aspx is where we got them
@kwanarchive
@kwanarchive 8 жыл бұрын
+Taoist In Black Thanks.
@silafuyang8675
@silafuyang8675 7 жыл бұрын
I do not really get the "energy" part. It is nicely explained anyway.
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 7 жыл бұрын
The peng energy is mostly in the transit of the arm. The attackers weapon arm moves not only forward, but expands slightly into the defenders space, so though not the powerful peng bounce we often see it still has that expanding quality normally associated with peng energy. Thank you for watching!
@johnsonjohnson129
@johnsonjohnson129 8 жыл бұрын
can you teach about how to use chinese sword ?
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 8 жыл бұрын
We do have a course on Jian, or straight sword, which is what I assume you're referring to? The Dao is also a Chinese sword. You can find the series on jian at curious.com/practicalqigong/basics-of-the-chinese-straight-sword/in/the-art-of-the-chinese-straight-sword?skip_course=1
@rakib2244
@rakib2244 7 жыл бұрын
Nice video. You may also want to checkout the review of how to fight on my blog at *edwinreviews. com/how-to-fight-review/* Thanks, Dell.
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 7 жыл бұрын
at 1:22 ...works great when your opponent is stationary and if you ignore they can strike also. Yes your blade is 'driving his out' if he simply drops his blade and makes no attempt to actually combat you. The issue is even worse when attacking that other line, I understand you're reaching hard to make a non-functional system seem to have martial relevance but this just isn't it. Note how a human actually reacts as seen in your video "Dao Fight" even when not a master... There's no issue with trying to get around the sword and stepping in, that is not my issue. My issue is you're selling this as a safe or miracle technique...when likely in application it's either not going to function or will result in a double kill because both combatants can attack at the same time. I suggest you look at Roland Warzecha's discussions on TAKING THE CENTRE LINE (which is not what you've done here, you've given your opponent the centre line.) and on 'tempo'. This could have martial application if given a MORE REALISTIC scenario. Edit: I should say this, at least you are clearly thinking about actual martial application...most of the Chinese sword form for "real combat" I see online show an outright disregard of combat...the sheer difference in footwork alone (with an emphasis on balance and maneuverability.) shows to us you have that interest. Just trim the fat, remove what doesn't work and make sure your demonstrations are close to martial reality.
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 7 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the feedback. We are not selling this as a miracle technique, nor one that works in every scenario. That being said, this technique, and certainly the basic mechanics behind it are effective in full speed combat. Justin has practiced and fought in both Eastern and Western competitive fencing at multiple levels for many years. What you see is not an attempt to make a non-functional system work, but a blending of two systems of sword work into a unified whole. While taking the center line is often the stronger element, one of the things seen in Chinese swordplay that can be very effective if, as you point out, tied in with correct distance and tempo control (which weren't talked about this as that is a separate video) is the idea of slipping the line and working around the outside. This is seen a great deal less in more modern sword styles where the strip has become a dominant feature and eliminated this movement into the round at the weaker angles. Thank you for the thoughtful response! Please keep posting!
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 7 жыл бұрын
Taoist In Black I've heard this comment about him being experienced in Eastern and Western combat but I'd like to ask exactly what his background in western fencing is? My issue is your application of this technique...which is to attack an opponent who is in a static guard position. My issue is they can maneuver as well...and they can strike along lines that aren't completely vertical...they can also bind your blade. The worst thing about this technique is it gives your opponent the centre line....the issue with allowing your opponent the centre line is if they bind your blade your entire body is open...while your blade is stuck on the outside of theirs. Sorry exactly what is the source you're drawing from in relation to Chinese swordsmanship? This is an honest question and unlike above I'm not trying to be condescending here.
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 7 жыл бұрын
Justin was a USFA rated fencer for many years, as well as captain of his college fencing team, fencing both saber and epee during his college tenure. You are completely right, there are holes in this technique, and it is probably a weakness of this particular video that we demonstrate it static as that is not actually how it would be used. This is a weak-line technique and must be combined with timing and distance to be used effectively, which isn't shown in the video. As for sources in the Chinese sword, it is from past instructors that the bulk of our techniques are drawn. Also not sure if the condescending was directed at our reply, but it was not intended to be so, and I apologize sincerely if it seemed as such.
@7dayspking
@7dayspking 7 жыл бұрын
Taoist In Black So sport fencing and not historical fighting, alright. Perhaps you should look at the Chinese sources available online from the Renaissance and early modern era (there's also some from the early 1900s)...this would allow you to learn directly from masters who actually saw combat rather than people who have been focusing on the choreographed aspect of it for 3, 4, 5 or more generations. No I meant I was not trying to be condescending with my question, the top part of my comment was condescending as I was sure you were going to say he partook in sport fencing (which I kind of gathered from the video with the strange footwork and lunging blows.) While I'm not trying undermine sport fencing or the quality of his experience my main point was that experience doesn't really give you a good idea of authentic European swordsmanship for actual combat....and in all honesty what I feel as if the same thing has happened in relation to your understanding of Chinese combat. This is why I suggested going back to the source material but also to put an emphasis on both fast and slow sparring to both eliminate POOR INTERPRETATIONS but also perhaps outright non-functional techniques. If you guys are interested in western swordsmanship as well definitely try to get hold of some HEMA instructors (you can find them through the "HEMA alliance") and look into wonderful online resources like wikitenauer (which has a variety of translations of 13-17th Century European fighting treatises.) bear in mind that some of the interpretations/translations might be outdated which is why it's important to make contact with some instructors.
@taoistinblack4156
@taoistinblack4156 7 жыл бұрын
The root of the training was in sport fencing and modern form based martial arts, but in the years since then he and his students have engaged in full speed combat against a wide variety of opponents from a wide variety of school. Justin has fought against a number of HEMA, SCA, kendo, kenjitsu, and other fighters. Although the origins of his training are certainly still visible in the style he's developed it has informed and not limited it as the style has proved extremely effective against many of the opponents. The fundamental reality here I suspect is that your style and our style are different. You feel your method is better and that's fine, but our approach to martial arts in general has always been that 'right' and 'better' is usually a very subjective reality. The style you see here has proven effective in combat. Should you ever find yourself in the Austin area we would happily invite you to join us and we can share and exchange techniques and deepen both our understandings of what the other has to offer.
@matts5247
@matts5247 6 жыл бұрын
Such useful information. I’m gonna ditch my conceal carry permit and just carry a Chinese broadsword on my back.
@samuraispeltwrong
@samuraispeltwrong 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to say XIUAAA PIAU PAIU, when I use my Chinese broadsword
@leo2800
@leo2800 6 жыл бұрын
你会中国剑吗?
@Max.of.Swampia
@Max.of.Swampia 6 жыл бұрын
well, I can't fight with Chinese swords if that's what you asking... my mandarin is rusty so that might not be what you're saying but I can use a translator, yea I can't sword fight with a Chinese blade
@leo2800
@leo2800 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, I was wondering if you know some Chinese sword skills...This video was pretty good and I learned a lot. Thanks for your uploading.
@Max.of.Swampia
@Max.of.Swampia 6 жыл бұрын
I didn't upload this, I was just responding
@yihuang6254
@yihuang6254 6 жыл бұрын
yuan tang 真战场上是用刀的
@leo2800
@leo2800 6 жыл бұрын
但是剑法还是有的,和战场用什么没关系
@chrislxxix3626
@chrislxxix3626 5 жыл бұрын
Real mans perform with real sharpened blades :-)
@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm no. That's all I need to say
@joeywall4657
@joeywall4657 Жыл бұрын
Bang. You're dead. Gun wins. Thanks anyways though, dude.
@Sithikus
@Sithikus 6 жыл бұрын
...I didn't learn anything here
@Sithikus
@Sithikus 6 жыл бұрын
sorry man I'm an eskrimador to the core.
@siomai6739
@siomai6739 6 жыл бұрын
k
@secutorprimus
@secutorprimus 4 жыл бұрын
And these people like their Chinese martial arts. Your point?
@matts5247
@matts5247 6 жыл бұрын
Such nerds lol. How did I end up here.
@midnightmythos
@midnightmythos 5 жыл бұрын
Don't take it too seriously, it's just a fun thing to practice in modern days if you've got shit else to do. What's wrong with pursuing an art, right?
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