Brilliant!

Smart idea

New bowlers will most likely, or at least should, have a plastic ball first so the layout doesn't matter. You can use the plastic ball to find your PAP and then drill a ball accordingly

Find it and have it ready for the next one.

can you get it filled?

Now you know why it is important to know this information

Same with mine. Just lets you know how lazy they are at your pro shop. Made me mad when I realized my pro shop didn't care about finding my actual measurements

Mine does that too, but he also watches me bowl before I drill just to give him an idea of how I'm bowling, but he doesn't do all what this guy showed in the vid

My pro.shop guy dient do all that..he just told me to go roll the ball and bring it back then i guess he just went off the oil lines on the ball and measured my hand

The oil on my bowling ball goes across my thumb hole

The 'typical' delivery is what you're looking for to get the PAP you typically will 'use'. IF you change the amount of tilt you put on the ball, with your hand, the axis point will change, because your oil rings now will be more toward the negative axis side of the ball, and smaller in diameter, since it is farther down the ball(assuming you put the PAP at the top, and look for the oil ring closest to the bowler's thumb hole.) IF that is where you now 'usually' throw the ball, then that would be your 'new' PAP, assuming you would always deliver the ball in that manner.

You don't necessarily need to adjust your PAP because that's how you naturally spin the ball. However, the person who drills your ball can use this information and either align the core's axis with your natural rotation axis or make the core "wobble" a bit and make the ball more responsive to friction. This will affect how far the ball skids before it starts to hook. For instance a high-rev player might want the ball to skid a bit more because it would hook too early. But yeah, as you develop and improve your technique your PAP might move a little bit but the change is typically quite small.

I'd also like to know seeing all 3 balls I've ever owned I bought drilled already from someone with same span

Yeah we can do that.

Yea, where to put the pin, when you use one grit over the ball, do u cut Perpendicular with the next grit, or keep going in the same line. Just to get all the specifics. 180-1000 is what im trying to accomplish

@@pokernative76 You put the ball in the spinner cup, with a logo or other locator mark up, and sand up/down on the ball, to the cup. Then flip it completely over, and do the other side. Then turn the ball 90 degress to that axis and sand the new 'TOP' and 'bottom', per USBC rules.

It can change but it's harder than yoyay think. Normally you are changing your axis rotation and or tilt with hand position.

Hung Pham your positive axis point is the same as long as you release the ball the same each time. Once you know what your positive axis point dimensions are, for example 4 inches over and 1/2 inches up, then every new ball is laid out using that reference point and manufacturers recommendations for desired performance.

I'm no expert, but as someone who just got his first asym bowling ball drilled without knowing his PaP, I think the answer is you just need to develop it first before they can accurately gauge it.

Rolling over the holes is a release issue not a Pin to PAP issue normally. Especially if it's rolling over the holes initially. So trying a wrist brace can help. If it rolling over the holes later then it's a flaring issue and can be solved with layouts that flare less or balls that have less differential.

Can you do psa

The PAP doesn't change from ball to ball.

No, because you will throw it differently when using a house ball.

Most people have a bowling ball to start. If you are just starting out. Layout is the least of your concerns. You should work on repeating shots.

In order to properly determine a bowling balls performance .Yes they should or else it is just a guess.

We will have a different video to discuss that

You can it's just not as accurate.

@@Ctdbowling From this video, I could not determine that the tape did not wobble off Dustin's hand. Isn't the first oil ring more accurate than guessing when the tape does not wobble in 200mS from delivery? Thanks, good work!

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Assuming the "release" is the same, as in thumb and finger positions, the PAP will be the same. If you're one of those, extremely rare mind you, bowlers who can change your thumb and finger location/grip on a ball, think fully inserted thumb changed to half thumb and slight tilt on middle finger, then your PAP has a chance to change.

It can matter if you have a bad fit.

He should focus on getting a good fitting ball and not worry about the layout.

New players should usually start with plastic anyway and make sure they have a good fit without any problems like torn skin or whatever since the layout on plastic is rather neglectable. After that you can get a more realistic reading of the players pap and start from there with reactive.

This video just kind of gave me that "aha" moment. I understand what the PAP is now. So, I feel confident in saying that yes, if you change how you release the ball (any ball, for that matter) your PAP will be different.

The PAP is from the bowler and not the ball. So if it's collected properly, it is the same for all balls. I have videos on this channel that show how to find it.

@@Ctdbowling link please?

@@Ctdbowling O.K. Thank you for that video. I do understand that your explanation was good for that ball which had already been drilled but that still does not tell me how the pro shop knows where the PAP is for me on a ball that has no finger holes to start measuring from. How would he know what direction on the ball to measure from the Pin to the PAP exact spot that does not exist yet. He would just have a measurement like 5 3/8 and not the exact angle.

Ideally ask a friend to make a video of you releasing the ball. Then throw the ball and observe oily skid marks on its surface. They will appear as concentric rings (more or less). Pick the one which is the closest to your thumb hole and treat it like equator on an imaginary globe. Then mark the imaginary pole on this globe using a small sticker. If you throw the ball again, the sticker should not wobble too much at the moment of release. If it does, make small adjustments to sticker position until the sticker doesn't wobble. The reason you need a friend or a video is that it's impossible for you as a thrower to see the ball rotation immediately after release. After a couple of attempts the sticker will mark your PAP.

I know Scott Pohl personally. I can tell you there isn't anyone that can get a axis point by looking at a shot thrown without tape. As mentioned in the video oil rings are after the ball hits the lane. We are looking for off of the hand. Thanks for watching.

@@Ctdbowling I can get Mo Pinel to do it, and since Scott is a Mo student I don't think you have a clue. Mo did it with me with in 5 minutes. Axis tilt and rotation.

What else you got?

@@freighttrain1695 lol Mo would have probably used a Armadillo to find the axis point, since he invented it. Here, what is your real name and I'll ask him. Do a little research and you will find that the method shown is the 2nd most accurate way to find the PAP. The first and absolute best method is using Bowler ID. If you do some research on that product you will see why and you might learn some more about the inventor.