How To Fit A Shower Tray So It's Watertight

How To Fit A Shower Tray So It's Watertight - Extension #37

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Roger and James fit a Mira Flight shower tray, confident that it'll be leak-free for many years.
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@jakecole3072 4 ай бұрын

Great vid. Important note for anyone viewing: The Classi Seal upstand used in the video is ‘Classi Seal Plus’! Not to be confused with the ‘Classi Seal Flexible Upstand’. Classi Seal Plus is secured to backer board with tanking membrane as per video.

@podman1935 Ай бұрын

Thanks for noting type of Classi plus

@JohnSmith-ts8xp 2 жыл бұрын

My first project (I'm training as an architect) started on site in October and I'm loving every minute of it. Had a few tricky bits relating to sewers beneath our footings but the job is flying along. I try and get down on site weekly and the enjoyment you get from seeing something you've worked on and designed for the past year progressing on a weekly basis around drawings you've toiled over is phenomenal.

@mergrew0110 2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, but I couldn’t help noticing this demo was in an ideal situation. Most of us have to deal with an existing situation and compromise over the install. Perhaps you could address that in a follow up video……! Love the series.😎

@spawn8641 2 жыл бұрын

I kept being told while learning years ago and stand by it to this day, always by pro builders and engineers some are insane at what they do if going to do a job do right first time

@SteveRogers461 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect timing for this video because this is my next job in my house!!! Is it coincidence? There are no coincidences ...

@herjenderlally4795 2 жыл бұрын

You both are diamonds. Fantastic to watch and very informative. God bless you 🙏.

@ll8746 2 жыл бұрын

Great job lads you guys are better than college I don't go a day without watching one of your videos I've learnt alot, keep these videos up

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

II Thank you, we appreciate your support, we are growing fast and hope to have another batch of videos out soon.

@shaunglendinning 2 жыл бұрын

Great job Roger! Lots of shared wisdom!

@chrisgunn121 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck in your new career Sam, your in safe hands with Rodger and James!!!

@kylebrowning7469 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always laid my tray on flexi quick set tile adhesive and never ever had an issue 10years later, I personally wouldn’t ever use silicone to put a tray in but like the wall and tanking lads, it’s nice to see another tradesmen doing it right, that’s what I tell customers if you want it done right you’ll pay more but it’ll last forever

@kedro2152 2 жыл бұрын

Been looking to see if others like me use flex adhesive to support trays with no problems years later ! 👍

@kylebrowning7469 2 жыл бұрын

@@kedro2152 never had an issue, ever

@karma3101 2 жыл бұрын

Great video. I've fitted a number of showers and shower trays over the years, in a DIY capacity, and have experienced issues with a few down the line. Mainly because I've used the wrong materials. But from now on I think I'll be investing a little more and doing it your way.

@charleswhite758 4 ай бұрын

issues = problems

@BartoszTabaka 2 жыл бұрын

Nice touch to give some to Sam on the vid! We need to make sure new generation of tradesmen are clever willing individuals. Looking forward to seeing if Sam made the cut :-)

@Liam.921 2 жыл бұрын

You’ve pretty much done what you would do using a wet room tray but it’s a normal tray. Excellent job lads. Shower area for life 😂

@leechadwick5169 2 жыл бұрын

Quality work as always if you wouldn't have it on your own house don't do it on others. 👌 the workmanship is second to none on James jobs excellent keep it up fellas .

@jimh4072 2 жыл бұрын

I used that waterproof upstand on the shower in my current house, 7 years later and no leaks. Would definitely recommend it. 😃

@iantarncarpentry4285 2 жыл бұрын

Great job! Water isn’t going to be an issue with work like that! It was a pleasure meeting Sam too. I have the feeling he’ll love the building game, and just imagine if he helps Roger out with filming, it would be great!

@charleswhite758 4 ай бұрын

Don't you want water to issue from the tap? What is wrong with the word "problem"? Why the need for a euphemism?

@arctech6169 2 ай бұрын

What the fuck are u going on about?@@charleswhite758

@vinnysurti 2 жыл бұрын

Nice to see Robin has come back….

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

Yes he has grown a bit

@paulbrenning7022 2 жыл бұрын

"Where's James" I love it. Always makes me laugh.

@philmceneaney798 2 жыл бұрын

Another great and informative video guys, thank you. Pleasure to watch true craftsmen at work.

@C4sp3r123 2 жыл бұрын

Get yourself a set of the suction cups window fitters use and it will make lifting the trays so much easier as you have proper handles to hold, especially once they have been put down on the floor. Well worth the few quid they cost.

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

We had them in the back of the van but didn't need them on this one

@madgebishop5409 2 жыл бұрын

do love a shower tray fitting video, proper belt and braces...makes me wonder how many bathroom fitters etc would be as thorough

@jeffyoung321 2 жыл бұрын

beautiful job guys.

@thetallcarpenter 2 жыл бұрын

Great job fellas, and enjoyed the chatty bit at the end🤩Cheers.

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

not many people get to the end of a KZfaq video, well done for sticking with it.

@deanthornby2026 2 жыл бұрын

Lol to late done my first one today ...should I watch this to see how much I messed up 😄. I did tell her I'm not a builder 🤣🤣

@bondubasher 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect guys, thanks for sharing...good gen!!

@1larfinboy 2 жыл бұрын

Love the dulux T shirt...!

@farukadam1696 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic mate

@dominicmeehan8322 9 ай бұрын

I'd pay anything to have these guys do work...Sam is in great hands!

@chrisprintall1408 2 жыл бұрын

You guys definitely appear to be skilled & care about doing a good job. Just one point, I work in an office (I'm a surveyor) & we have LOTS of laughs. This is my last & best job before retiring & I'm reluctant to go, even though I have lots of other things I want to do, including using a camera (but for wildlife). Keep your videos coming. 👍

@kingkurtzig 2 жыл бұрын

I didnt know these even existed, just ordered a Mira flight for my next build, cheers

@CaptMdFaizurRahman Жыл бұрын

Very Good, wonderful!! Well done!!! Thanks

@patrickmurray2220 2 жыл бұрын

Great job there.

@michaelcripwell1724 2 жыл бұрын

Nice video, good luck to the new lad👍👍

@DobermanDave531 2 жыл бұрын

Great attention to detail, I'm impressed with your no nonsense approach. .... Belt & braces it really is the only way , keep up the sterling work 👍😉

@chanpol321 2 жыл бұрын

great video! thanks

@PeterWilhelm Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tips on this video! Quick question, do we also need to use the membrane/sealant on the joints between the cement board & where we have screwed the boards to the wall?

@SuperPauline2000 2 жыл бұрын

Hi great video, love your work. So easy when it’s done right. I have to tile a shower for a mate but the plumber installed the shower tray without any aqua strap on the tray, so there is a gap between the tray and the wall what would be the best way of tanking so I don’t get any leaks.

@lukeetheridgepd 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this guys - really helpful. One question - do you need to prime the cement boards before applying the tanking membrane? I'm using the membrane you used but with Everbuild's Aquaseal tape, but I'm sure they're all similar.

@derekkearns4202 2 жыл бұрын

Good luck to the young lad starting out in the building trade do it right and once ! Should had started younger myself when keen and flexible instead time in Mechanics.

@Daniel-wb4lr 2 жыл бұрын

Can't blame Sam I was the same, did my onc in civil engineering and just didn't enjoy the office work so sacked it off

@TheStevenWhiting 2 жыл бұрын

Just getting a new bathroom put in. Maybe I'll look at one of those trays. Need a 700mm as not much room

@skiathosmobi 2 жыл бұрын

Great !!

@garethwilliams4886 2 жыл бұрын

I bet that Dulux T-shirt was expensive.

@JamesChurchill3 Жыл бұрын

Not as much as their coats, but luckily you only need one.

@carch7489 2 жыл бұрын

Great video's and very helpful for my renovations and extension build over last couple of years. My timber frame extension spec includes insulated plasterboard for the external walls and one corner will have a shower. What would you advise as best prep to the IP for tiling? I'm considering fixing either 6mm tile backer board or Abacus Elements board on top of the IP as based on your videos tanking directly over the plasterboard is not recommended. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

@shaneshankly4518 Жыл бұрын

Tile adhesive is best to bed the trays in , and classic marble trays are by far the best not sure whether you get them in England

@hmncpt3755 Жыл бұрын

Great video, very informative. My only question is what is the tape you used on the vertical corner and around the pipe work? Does that come with the Tanking kit? Thanks.

@Chris-uu6dg 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video, was the backerboard glued or screwd to the wall and would you need to tape up the joints? Thanks

@alan-freeman Жыл бұрын

A good question for you on waterproofing the shower in this video. We are not aiming to use tiles, but will be using a "splashwall laminate" from B&Q. Would that go behind the tray or over the top like ceramic tiles?

@eddjordan2399 2 жыл бұрын

nice job that.

@steveriley1952 2 жыл бұрын

Lucky lad having James as his mentor….!

@richardhalliday6469 2 жыл бұрын

Marvellous

@livingladolcevita7318 2 жыл бұрын

looking to re-fit my bathroom sometime so it's good to get these ideas. Variety is the spice of life which is why I have 3 women on the go, only joking ha ha. Are you still doing "ask Roger" series? I have a project in mind but can't decide which way to go.

@lukeetheridgepd 2 жыл бұрын

Hi guys - I may be wrong on this, but I noticed you're using CM Seal tape in the video and not Classi Seal tape as per the description? The only reason I noticed is because just this week I've been fitting my Mira Flight shower tray and I've been following this video meticulously. Honestly, it's been fantastic and I don't think I could have done without it so thanks for that. I went ahead and purchased Classi Seal which is pretty different to the tape in the video - it's quite a thick rubber and the upstand portion only protrudes around 30/40mm above the top of the shower tray once fitted. I'm all fitted and at the membrane phase (2nd coat) and it's been quite difficult to use the Classi Seal on one of the edges that has around a 5mm gap to the wall - the tape is pretty stiff and tries to peal itself from the wall as you're applying the membrane. The tape in the video would have been perfect. Also, the tanking membrane takes ages to dry on the rubber tape itself. Anyway, just a heads up and if I've got the wrong end of the stick just ignore me 🤣

@stevvvvvvv Жыл бұрын

note for the future. classi make two types of seal. classi seal is a rubber upstand that doesn't get membrane in. classi plus is the fibre type you see in this video.

@CEO786 2 жыл бұрын

James if I paid for an extended holiday at my house - could you come? Happy for you to bring along your family.

@richardsmart6105 9 ай бұрын

Can you use this set up for sealing a bath or have you any suggestions thanks

@ChristopherClaudioSkierka 20 күн бұрын

Hi there great video. Can I ask you a question please? If you surveyed a possible customers bathroom for a tray, how do you find out which way the joists are running etc? i am presuming for example the bathroom has a tiled floor so no chance of looking underneath .thank you

@davidwaite566 Жыл бұрын

Hi I have bought some classi seal tape for around the shower tray. It says to thoroughly roughen the contact surface with steel wool or 120 grade sandpaper. Would you say that means the edge of the shower tray

@kefaliask 3 ай бұрын

nice video, qq: do you need to protect the ceiling as well? I'm assuming shower how water moisture will go up?

@kaimichael5444 2 жыл бұрын

Hi I'm new to this sort of work but. Can u plaster over the ranking blue rubber

@paulfinnonjoinery 2 жыл бұрын

just installed a shower tray in my house today... (yes i know no bathroom over christmas... wonderfull) always use classi seals on any bath or shower tray install. never used that aquaseal stuff. does it come with the tape you put up the wall? or is that an extra that ya have to buy also? the last bathroom got ripped out due to a leak in the corner also so id rather that doesnt happen again

@bigupthebeast 2 жыл бұрын

Classi seal adhered to tray edge-cement boards over seal-silicone shower tray around edge of boards-paint all corners and joints in cement board with mapei blue tank paint -tile and seal grout Last forever 😊

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

That is my kind of job.

@SteveAndAlexBuild 2 жыл бұрын

Belt n braces and fancy tape and paint 👌🏼🧱👍🏼

@TheStevenWhiting 2 жыл бұрын

Looks better than the Abacus no more leaks.

@seandapaul21 2 жыл бұрын

Are we waterproofing cement board or are we waterproofing the corners?

@TheStevenWhiting 2 жыл бұрын

Was looking at Abacus due to Rogers last video with them but now won't. Wanted the elements board but its expensive so gone with the same sort of stuff but sold at Wickes instead.

@obfustication 2 жыл бұрын

What's the name of the tape going up the corner of the walls? I got the waterproof tanking membrane already Thanks in advance

@ChristianBower-sz6qi 8 ай бұрын

When do you silicone the tray before or after the enclosure is fitted ?

@richardstothard9873 Ай бұрын

How much clearance do I need either side of an alcove shower to allow for the rubber seal

@merlin4435 2 жыл бұрын

Cool

@stevekite8400 3 ай бұрын

Hi Roger I live over in Spain and I’ve a friend bringing me over some classi seal plus for new shower tray however I’m stuck getting the aqua seal waterproof tanking membrane solution due to cost and restrictions. Would a transparent waterproof sealant do the job? Fixing to plastered walls and concrete floors thanks Steve

@jerhughes500 7 ай бұрын

Are there showers trays with moulded in/built in upstands? We’ve had these in Canada for decades and they are much better than just relying on silicone or tape.

@burwoodbuild 2 жыл бұрын

Quality work as always James! 👌😉 💯 Well, maybe with the exception of the loft ladder fiasco!!!! 😂😂🤣🤣 Just joking!!🤙🤭

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has an off day, some of us have nothing else.

@timpricedrums 2 жыл бұрын

Love that the chap spent time cleaning any grease away for the other bloke to rub his hands all over it 😂

@bchohan1292 3 ай бұрын

Can this method be applied if walls have been plaster skimmed?

@handle1196 2 жыл бұрын

Where is the aquaseal tanking used at, is it painted onto the backer boards before tiling or sticking on the 8x4 shower wall sheets?

@christianb344 5 ай бұрын

Hi lads was that shower tray seal you put in the corner. I can get exterior cement board in work. I think that would be ideal for a bathroom what do you think?

@mickinoz2005 7 ай бұрын

Is the classi seal that they put around the shower tray the same stuff they put on the wall joints?

@georgethompson997 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with Roger, the Mira Flight range of trays are the ones I'd always use. A couple of points: if you're doing a belts and braces approach then you would have tanked all the Hardi Backer, or at least all the board joints. You should use a mesh across all the board joint too (similar to scrim); set in with tile adhesive. You may have done this at the later tiling stage. Hardi Backer sell their own tape, but I use strips of the mesh used in monocouche; this ties all the boards together. One point I'd make to anyone doing this work is protect the tray immediately it's fixed. Walking on it as you do in the video with just the protective film is asking for trouble. Cardboard, or a dust sheet, followed by a cut piece of ply is what always do. A dropped tool, tile or even grit on your boot can result in a very costly error. I do applaud Roger for continually hammering home the importance of good practice in fitting shower trays.

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

We always cover the tray when we start tiling but we knew our shoes were clean.

@jeffsmith2144 Жыл бұрын

Get a few yoga matts. Dirt cheap and stops any tool and scuff marks.

@Bodom1after1midnight 2 жыл бұрын

I'm about to fit a Mira flight tray in my house, was actually considering filling the backside of the tray with 2 part epoxy resin so its perfectly flat. My tray will need to be raised, instead of fitting legs directly to the tray, I'm going to have the tray on 18+mm ply then attach the legs to that, probably twice the number of legs recommended.

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

The Mira Flight is fine, no need to fill in the back but, by all means put it on ply if you prefer it

@russellscott1151 8 ай бұрын

How about waterproofing the horizontal joins between the cement boards? I also wondered about all this tanking as also how about the completely open section behind the tiles where the show screen meets the wall ? There is nothing to stop the water moving out left or right beyond the tray!?. You’d love the job Ive just gone to, the tiles were coming off the wall and turns out they had tiles straight onto a plastered wall no doubt on normal plasterboard. The plaster had turned to mush and water coming through ceiling downstairs… rip out and start again job.

@ArthurEmbleton Жыл бұрын

What's the blue paper that you put up verticaly over the Waterproof tanking membrane?

@kevincurley5065 2 жыл бұрын

Would you recommend using skrim tape and quick set cement on the joints of the cement board before tanking? Cheers

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

You can buy waterproof tape but a waterproof tile adhesive is good. I like to gun some polymer in the joints before fixing the next board

@lewishayes9228 2 жыл бұрын

Is this a new Classi Seal? It looks more fabric like, totally different to the one I've just picked up. Keep up the great work on the videos. Fantastic

@antonythegreek 2 жыл бұрын

That's what I was wondering. The one I've just got is like rubber so I can't bond it to the walls with the liquid tanking

@aidanroyce7194 Жыл бұрын

@@antonythegreek How did you bond the Classi Seal in the end? I'm looking at getting using the same product on my install.

@antonythegreek Жыл бұрын

@@aidanroyce7194 I found the correct version of Classi Seal. Worked a treat with the liquid tanking

@antonythegreek Жыл бұрын

@@aidanroyce7194 just checked for you...the rubber type is Classi Seal original and the one that works with the tanking membrane is Classi Seal plus 👍🏻

@paulnolan1352 9 ай бұрын

Cheers Roger, word of warning ⚠️ always do a dry run with the shower screen positioning before you glue the tray down!.

@amazing451 2 жыл бұрын

Would Roger or James recommend that OB1 or CT1 adhesive to help adhere a ceramic toilet to concrete floor, or what ratio of concrete mix would be best. Appreciate your advice, great work there as usual. 👍👏

@jimichip 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kevin, Yes, I’d say that any of the polymer adhesives would be suitable to adhere the toilet to a concrete floor. Just make sure both surfaces are dust free and the toilet is levelled with wedges to because if it’s out of levels and the polymer adhesive dries it will be an absolute pains to get it up again.

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

Yes always stick it down with polymer or silicone. Years ago we used to bed them on a dollop of mortar but the pan often cracked. You can always remove one that has been stuck down. I cut the screws and just put them in with a bit of silicone so they are dummy screws. It would be good if they stopped putting the holes in.

@podman1935 Ай бұрын

Question, why have floor fitted before shower tray? Should it not be shower tray then floor, and are those floor panels water resistant?

@neilrafferty2097 2 жыл бұрын

My dilemma is bath or shower , but having both is not possible . Any thoughts out there ?

@bigtorrisi 8 ай бұрын

The first thing to do is re hang the door the other way, as when it opens the handle will hit the shower enclosure.

@OH2023-cj9if 2 ай бұрын

How do you get the waste in if you can't get under the new floor?

@bigupajc Жыл бұрын

What's the name of the tape going up the corner of the walls? it is not the same tape used around the tray (that is the classi seal). I cant find it on your links, so what is the tape in the corner called?

@JonathonNeville Жыл бұрын

What if no shower tray fits the shower size? I need to replace the shower pan (if there is one). The shower stall is a tiny 25.5" x 29.5x". I can't find a shower tray that small. Can it be cut???

@gorringeman Жыл бұрын

Great video as usual, one question though? Don't you have to waterproof the entire enclosure?

@SkillBuilder Жыл бұрын

It is always a good idea. We deal with the whole job in many of our videos

@burwoodbuild 2 жыл бұрын

Doing a bathroom now with Elements boards, Pro-seal and rubber gaskets. Wouldn't do it any other way!! 💯🤩🤙

@boyasaka Жыл бұрын

Agree but elements boards are v expensive There identical products as the elements backs board but half the price

@gavinellis1999 Ай бұрын

The shower seal type you have used is more like classi plus rather than classi seal which you have listed in the details. Classi seal is plain rubber whereas class plus is fleeced and so works well with liquid tanking compound as in the video. Please update this, as it's expensive ordering the wrong one.

@terryhutchinson6503 2 жыл бұрын

OK OK OK I get the message MIRA shower tray

@SkillBuilder 2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get that idea from?

@bigupajc Жыл бұрын

What is the product used in the corner??? It is not the classi seal, so what is it?

@straiph 2 жыл бұрын

Ripped out the shower room after discovering a leak. Gutted the room post covid. Got a quote from a plumber...all good...then could only do emergency during lock down. 9 + months later got back in touch quote was almost twice as much! DIY??

@wojciechturek1601 2 жыл бұрын

I must say I don’t like range of choice for tray here in uk I had to buy one in Poland and sent it here payed tax etc and with this additional hassle I’m super satisfied Shedpol Libra it’s rebuts and quite lite Also fixing it using same methodology as shown on your movie however underneath was completely flat on mine Unfortunately they don’t sell them in uk because of we are not anymore in eu and I just got no words for that

@krzysiekv12 2 жыл бұрын

Jarajt mejt

@ashyclaret 2 жыл бұрын

You don't like democracy?

@wojciechturek1601 2 жыл бұрын

@@ashyclaret i don’t think democracy has anything to that when politicians lies that’s first and last

@charleswhite758 4 ай бұрын

It seems that leaks from these sort of showers are just a matter of time away. I am very reluctant to install one above a room containing stuff I 'd rather not get wet. There are so many potential leakage points, it's a matter of when not if.