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EckhartsLadder

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4 жыл бұрын

How can you possibly fix the Galactic Empire's Navy and Fleets without removing the Imperial Star Destroyer -- or changing any of the ships used? That's what we'll discuss today!
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@EckhartsLadder
@EckhartsLadder 4 жыл бұрын
Today's video features some new music by the artist Unfound. I'd like to make music more prominent in my videos, but I still consider myself new at video making, so I don't want to mix the audio with the music being too loud. It's louder in this video, and could probably be even louder. Let me know your thoughts. Links to the included music, and Unfound's Bandcamp: Unfound -- Without: www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqOlh... Unfound -- Heaven: www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBIsi... Unfound -- Home: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWYkh... Unfound's bandcamp: unfoundmusic.bandcamp.com/
@aperson673
@aperson673 4 жыл бұрын
EckhartsLadder # askeck can you do a series on this please? Keep up the great work!
@Unchained-Moxie
@Unchained-Moxie 4 жыл бұрын
EckhartsLadder didn’t another one win but I’m happy bec I voted for this one
@bradhedgehog12
@bradhedgehog12 4 жыл бұрын
EckhartsLadder hmm looks real good. But if I really want carrier ship yes the Venator rules.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 жыл бұрын
If I remember the speed figures right, speed 6 (in the RPGs) was about equal to 75 in the X-Wing games, and 8 was equal to 100? So the Lancer may have been rated somewhere below those...
@bradhedgehog12
@bradhedgehog12 4 жыл бұрын
Adam Hood agree
@cherudium
@cherudium 4 жыл бұрын
How to fix Imperial fleets in 30 seconds or less. "Tarkin, you're fired. Thrawn, you're in charge now."
@attilathehun5067
@attilathehun5067 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, in Canon, Tarkin wasn't that bad. He supported Thrawns defender project as opposed to Krennics Stardust.
@cherudium
@cherudium 4 жыл бұрын
@@attilathehun5067 I don't know much about cannon, the disney movies really put me off the current extended universe. I still love star wars and I'm hoping the next movie is amazing and all will be well but for the moment I don't hold much of an interest in disney cannon.
@QuantumAscension1
@QuantumAscension1 4 жыл бұрын
Okay, but what do we do for the other 27 seconds? lol.
@attilathehun5067
@attilathehun5067 4 жыл бұрын
@@cherudiumSome of the new Canon is crappy, I admit, but some is good. I highly suggest reading the new Thrawn books, as well as Tarkin. They're really good. I'm reading Thrawn right now, actually.
@cherudium
@cherudium 4 жыл бұрын
@@QuantumAscension1 Play the imperial march of course.
@IrishPhoenix7
@IrishPhoenix7 4 жыл бұрын
New playlist idea “Eck fixes everything”
@renaissancenovice7202
@renaissancenovice7202 4 жыл бұрын
@bemotivated8443
@bemotivated8443 4 жыл бұрын
That would be a surprise to be sure but a welcome one
@johnchukwudum673
@johnchukwudum673 4 жыл бұрын
Word
@blackairforceone
@blackairforceone 4 жыл бұрын
But can he fix my life
@Duchess_Van_Hoof
@Duchess_Van_Hoof 4 жыл бұрын
I support this.
@BoisegangGaming
@BoisegangGaming 4 жыл бұрын
1) Field TIE Defenders. 2) Field TIE Defenders. 3) Field TIE Defenders. 4) Field TIE Defenders. 5) Just blasted field TIE Defenders instead of wasting credits on a death ball.
@adrewadrew5860
@adrewadrew5860 4 жыл бұрын
Nahh X wings are good enought. If some farmers can fight on this l, what skill pilot can do.
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
Those death balls are good for numbers though, perhaps go with death ball 2.0 now with shields and proper range of vision. But I would field atleast one wing of defenders.
@bradmorales4002
@bradmorales4002 4 жыл бұрын
TIE PHANTOMS.
@davidtherwhanger6795
@davidtherwhanger6795 4 жыл бұрын
This is from an old game that ILM helped with. It was called Star Wars Rebellion. In it TIE's and TIE Interceptors cost the same to maintain and about the same to produce. TIE defenders cost about 2.67 to produce and about 2 times to maintain than a TIE Interceptor. But the TIE Defender was way more effective than TIE Interceptors. TIE Interceptors were good on attack, but could be quickly overwhelmed by Rebel Fighters. TIE Defenders were good on attack and defense, and could take a lot of punishment (their shields were the strongest of any fighter in the game).
@m.s.cheung8471
@m.s.cheung8471 4 жыл бұрын
TIE Droid
@endermage77
@endermage77 4 жыл бұрын
"Let's talk about Corvettes" Star Wars Empire At War: *TARTAN PATROL CRUISER REPORTING*
@thanatoast8869
@thanatoast8869 4 жыл бұрын
Finally another person who remembers this game!
@chapellbrock7447
@chapellbrock7447 4 жыл бұрын
THE SPACE COMBAT IN THAT GANE IS SO GOOD
@o00nemesis00o
@o00nemesis00o 4 жыл бұрын
Chapell Brock yeah. Too bad the ground combat is awful. They'd have been better off using an updated form of Force Commander for that portion.
@chapellbrock7447
@chapellbrock7447 4 жыл бұрын
@@o00nemesis00o yeah attacking a planet did not engender any need to actually go out and attack. Just bunker up at the landing zone and send out a speeder bike as a spotter every time the bomber came up as ready. It only got worse in the expansion with the orbital bombardment.
@brendanduff883
@brendanduff883 4 жыл бұрын
STAR DESTROYER READY!
@captain_hammer
@captain_hammer 4 жыл бұрын
How to troll your enemies: 1: take some Nebulon Bs 2: put all the armour and shields on the middle bit 3: watch the enemy fail at destroying them while you blow them up
@z3r0_35
@z3r0_35 4 жыл бұрын
That's basically EC Henry's design of an Imperial-spec Nebulon B in a nutshell: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hOBhZtWotta5lGg.html
@newzealanddoesntexist7505
@newzealanddoesntexist7505 4 жыл бұрын
Imperials: We have the perfect anti-starfighter ship, the Lancer class! Now we’ll only use it like twice and eventually throw it out!
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 4 жыл бұрын
Tarkin: *GENIUS!!!*
@xerty5502
@xerty5502 4 жыл бұрын
To be fare realistically highly specialized ships should be skipped unless a more generalized design "Can Not" do the job the old Vindicator cruiser is a good example of the type of ship I would build in mass you need to remember fleets fight very very few fleet battles but need to spend lots of time patrolling often as single ships so designing based on fleet engagements is kind of silly. You should be focusing on large amounts of general purpose ships backed up by a small but powerful fast reaction force
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 so you have a sector armada, you have patrol groups based on arquatens, arc 170s, hyperdrive starfighter wings and gunships, all use tracker missiles, and you have atleast 3 primary responce fleets that are more suited for a fight. Finally you have your core battle fleet, which will respond to any major conflict that challenge the response fleets. Traditional fleets are a pyramid structure.
@ilo3456
@ilo3456 4 жыл бұрын
@@xerty5502 Well actually for patrolling the Lancer is perfect since you tend to deal with a bunch of smaller ships when patrolling and having appropriate firepower for those situations is better. I think the Lancer would make one of the best patrol craft.
@xerty5502
@xerty5502 4 жыл бұрын
@@ilo3456 going to have to disagree there I personally believe the lancer is only really practical as a screening vessel it is to specialized to make a good multi purpose patrol ship while I agree it is a much better anti fighter craft then an arquintes or carrack both these are a better choice as a multi purpose light ship you probably could come up with an even better ship for this purpose but it would not be the lancer. That said you are free to disagree with me but trying to convince me a super specialized single purpose ship is a good multi purpose ship is going to take some doing.
@lordfrostwind3151
@lordfrostwind3151 4 жыл бұрын
Scenario: You are the admiral of an Imperial fleet assigned to conquer the heavily fortified Mon Cala system, you must break through the rebel defenses and protect a planetary invasion force. Your fleet cannot be larger than Death Squadron at Endor, but you have your pick if whatever ships the Empire had outside of the Eclipse class. What ships would you choose and how would you use them? (Third attempt) #AskEck
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Frostwind is he allowed to use Sovereign-class Star Destroyers?
@fadelsukoco3092
@fadelsukoco3092 4 жыл бұрын
Interdictors for sure, and heavy firepower ships like Bellators and Alliegances flanked by smaller, faster ships like Victories and a few Lancers for PD.
@lordfrostwind3151
@lordfrostwind3151 4 жыл бұрын
@Nicholas Farrell I'll allow Sovereigns, just nothing of superweapon status.
@joshuameadus7861
@joshuameadus7861 4 жыл бұрын
Im assuming mon cala would have super weapon producing dry docks and Golan 3s dotted around, plus a home fleet with maybe a mon remonda or mc90 and other late GCW rebellion cruisers plus nebulons and cr90s?
@viniciusaraujolago
@viniciusaraujolago 4 жыл бұрын
I'll made simple... Beginning with a good amount of ISDs, a lot Victorys 1, Lancers, Venetors and Interdictors
@daednu1197
@daednu1197 4 жыл бұрын
Empire: So guys looks like were facing a rebel insurgency Tarkin: How about we invest trillions into ridiculously large ships and a death laser in space that can be destroyed by a single starfighter? Empire: Sir...... Your a genius
@SM-or1wo
@SM-or1wo 4 жыл бұрын
Destructor of Capitalism 17 Wasn’t the Death Star already in planning during the Clone Wars?
@n147258noah
@n147258noah 4 жыл бұрын
@@SM-or1wo CIS started the planning, and the Republic (because Palpatine?) stole the plans to it and started building it. I don't think they really started it until after the Empire formed, but they definitely started gathering materials. 2005 Star Wars Battlefront has you on Mygeeto, where the crystal you pick up is one that ends up being used in the Death Star.
@bfufhryrrhtjhxbdgkjgutitjh7877
@bfufhryrrhtjhxbdgkjgutitjh7877 3 жыл бұрын
@@n147258noah they had the geonosians doing it so after the second battle of geonosis
@sumreensultana1860
@sumreensultana1860 3 жыл бұрын
In a alternative history Thrawn:- yes the rebels have been destroyed Empire:- sir yes sir Thrawn:- now look behind Empire:- What the A chiss fleet appears
@laisphinto6372
@laisphinto6372 2 жыл бұрын
I think you confuse tarkin with motti( the guy Vader choked out on the death star)
@theoncomingdork
@theoncomingdork 4 жыл бұрын
Every time I see that Force Unleashed cutscene I can't see anything other than the ISD bridge missing the shield/sensor globes
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about that...
@JIMvc2
@JIMvc2 4 жыл бұрын
I just noticed that xD
@bencoomer2000
@bencoomer2000 4 жыл бұрын
Bugged me for a long time.
@WildHorseProductions
@WildHorseProductions 4 жыл бұрын
I always found it comical how they'd take on ISDs with JUST a Nebula-B as the rebellion's flagship
@ratbat1072
@ratbat1072 4 жыл бұрын
Now I feel sick every time I see that clip
@whiterosecicero4802
@whiterosecicero4802 4 жыл бұрын
So glad you used some clone wars ships even if in small numbers . They are my personal favourites.
@Duchess_Van_Hoof
@Duchess_Van_Hoof 4 жыл бұрын
The Venator is possibly the most beautiful of star destroyer.
@user-vt2cr8qd1b
@user-vt2cr8qd1b 2 жыл бұрын
and it would save the empire quite a bit of money
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 4 жыл бұрын
Somehow this heavily reminds me of japanese lack of destroyers and antisub means during WWII which made US subs so successful...
@armando2814
@armando2814 4 жыл бұрын
And they had their own subs used as firsf line firepower instead of attacking smaller ecomomic targets
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 4 жыл бұрын
@@armando2814 yes. And considering that they actually had one of the most advanced sub designs at the time, it was also one of their downfalls. But hey, on the plus side a lot more people survived:D
@armando2814
@armando2814 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheArklyte hope someday all the nosense killing and hate stops
@Predator20357
@Predator20357 3 жыл бұрын
@@TheArklyte Most advanced doesn’t mean anything if you can’t produce it enough. That’s another problem as the US was out producing the hell out of them from Battleships, Destroyers, P Boats, Carriers. Remember the last battleship fight was like 3 or 4 battleships sealclubbing either some battleships or Japanese Destroyers....and that was their most invested part of their military. The Japanese tanks were so neglected that it was basically WW1 tanks going up against numerically superior mid to late war Tanks.
@stupidjaosn
@stupidjaosn 3 жыл бұрын
@Toby Twist humans murdering other humans because they disagree with each other. that doesn't sound like nonsense to you?
@sentinelvortex8433
@sentinelvortex8433 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent choice to add the Venator, nicely thought through, Admiral.
@user-25352
@user-25352 Жыл бұрын
as was discussed later, Venator was likely discarded for "political" reasons (as is, it was the remnant of old, corrupt Republic and heavily associated with the Jedi).
@timbartschwolfman
@timbartschwolfman 4 жыл бұрын
#AskEck Did the Rebel Alliance ever use Battle Droids?
@akumaking1
@akumaking1 4 жыл бұрын
Yes and no; see Wookiepedia and R0-GR.
@Samuraiedge2
@Samuraiedge2 4 жыл бұрын
At least in Legends, I'm sure they did but quite a few factors limited their use. Costs of maintenance(even if used for literally cannon fodder), conflict with the Rebel's guerilla style warfare, and I'm sure its unwise to use CIS droids in pro-Republic planets.
@jacobgale4792
@jacobgale4792 4 жыл бұрын
they did in legends
@ethanbrown4167
@ethanbrown4167 4 жыл бұрын
of course how can anyone forget mr bones
@kyle18934
@kyle18934 4 жыл бұрын
Droids might bring even more attention to the cell/group than it was already getting. If a group all of a sudden had an army of droids then they might get attacked by much more than before
@JonarusDraconius
@JonarusDraconius 4 жыл бұрын
I actually really like what you did here Eck - You superiority fleets actually FEEL superior (and not just against capital ship threats, or as 'power projection', but across the board). The Escort fleets, while fleshed out far less, also sound pretty good. But I have one last 'fleet type' I'd like to bring up - The 'Imperial Deep Space Expeditionary Force' (IDSEF) fleet. The purpose of such fleets would be for colonisation, large-scale escort, long-range recon, and clearing & patrolling 'uninhabited' sectors (sectors with no planets, asteroid fields, sectors that are only used as multi-jump transit points, etc). Their primary 'threats' would be pirate groups, smugglers, and smaller Rebel 'cells'. They'd need to be fast, have long range, and exceptional sensor and communications capabilities, and would probably have an unusually high ratio of hyperspace capable fighter-craft. A single 'large cruiser' would be the core 'command ship' of such formations, and my own 'head-canon' puts EC Henry's recent "Incursor Class" in the role of such a command ship, supported by Nebulon B1/B2 frigates (maybe a couple of lancers specifically for close support of the HQ ship, but it has 'point defense' capacity of its own), and a large number of corvettes (I went with the CR-91a "Assassin Class" - But the "Raider Class" works too). ~JD
@Archer-1453
@Archer-1453 4 жыл бұрын
I think the exclusion of Venetors is one of the greatest flaws in Imperial fleet makeups. The Quasar seems like a cheaper alternative to what at one point was classified as a capital-ship class vessel but honestly, an Imperial fleet made up of two Venetors for every ISD would much more succinctly question even large Rebel fleets, due to star fighter numbers alone. Another issue that would supremely fix Imperial superiority and escort fleets is a complete revamp of their star fighters. The entire dogma of “bigger is better” is the reason Imperial fleets are so inferior to even a comparable CIS fleet. Tactical ommand capabilities asside, I’d much rather have a Lucrehulk with a small CIS support fleet over any standard Imperial fleet exlusively for the fighter superiority. The ARC-170s were big and bulky but a multi-purpose ship like that seems right up the Imperial alley. Light bombing, anti-dog fighting (rear mounted cannons), highly specialised recon, and the capability to traverse hyper-space make them one of the objectively best fighters in my opinion. I also think the strange lack of corvettes and other smaller ships is important. Your inclusion of Raiders is an idea I’ve always wondered about since BF2. With (small) hangars and the absolutely disgusting amount of anti-fighter weapons seems like the perfect make up of a lightning strike ship. Having an entire superiority fleet pop up will stop anything from moving forward and the ability ot launch a large squadron of anti-fighter ships close to the enemy would make Thrawn-like maneuvers easy for any Imperial officer.
@angusmorris4154
@angusmorris4154 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful video as always! I still wish the Empire kept the Venator, my favourite ship, but I do understand why they didn’t (both in and out of universe). The Empire is such an amazing force, and I really wish that they were done justice in the universe!
@laurinkaebelmann6373
@laurinkaebelmann6373 4 жыл бұрын
Give me one reason why you should switch these good venators against the worst capital ships ever designed (in universe).
@MasterGhostf
@MasterGhostf 4 жыл бұрын
@@laurinkaebelmann6373 I mean ISD's aren't terrible. They are great at policing a galaxy already under controlled. Not fighting a war. But, they are expensive.
@Director_Orson_Krennic
@Director_Orson_Krennic 4 жыл бұрын
@@laurinkaebelmann6373 they're not bad per se, ISDs aren't, they're just designed for entirely different things then they were used for. They were designed and built for slugging it out between themselves and other destroyers and larger, and were not designed at all to counter snubfighters and asymmetrical warfare. Hence, they would have been great against things like the Confederate Navy, and proved their worth against the Yuuzhan Vong during that war, but ultimately was abysmal against the organized but assymetrical tactics of the Rebellion
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
@@Director_Orson_Krennic I agree , the ISD and the larger shipsvarw good for a battle fleet but not for a patrol fleet, cruisers, frigates and corvettes along with gunships and long range fighters are better for patrols.
@johnusas2870
@johnusas2870 4 жыл бұрын
I agree place a Venator with an ISD and few Corvettes and you have a perfect fleet, even just an ISD with a Venator. You have the ISD with all the firepower able to protect the Venator and deal with any capital ships. Then you have the Venator with it's massive Starfighter complement. You send a regular patrol squad out around the ISD/ sector, far out enough to screen against the enemy but not too far that they can't fall back to protect the ISD from rebel bombers. This the Venator protects the ISD; we see in Rogue one and ISD taken out of action due to Rebel Y-Wings due to a lack of anti-starfighter weapons. Even if you leave a Venator with it's original complement of Starfighters the numbers as well as cost savings of not having to build a new ship and it's Starfighters complement is worth it alone. We know TIE fighter pilots were the best of the best just held back due to the terrible design of the TIE fighter; put them in the ARC-170, Z-95, V-wings, or even an Actis. Just think if the empire used this set up alone the rebellion would have had a much harder if not impossible time overthrowing the empire.
@bornagaingeek7279
@bornagaingeek7279 4 жыл бұрын
Wait, no GR-75's? How can you ha a fleet, without GR-75's? Clearly you've doomed your crews, with this obvious omission and tactical flaw.
@Ty-yt3lj
@Ty-yt3lj 4 жыл бұрын
Born again Geek they keep 2 hidden in the Venator for extra plot armour
@anm10wolvorinenotapanther32
@anm10wolvorinenotapanther32 3 жыл бұрын
Just wanna share the standard Imperial fleet I always had in my mind, fairly cheap but flexible enough imo 1 Star Destroyer as the flagship 2-4 Arquitens Cruisers as the main support ships because they have a balanced mix between turbo lasers and point defense cannons while also carrying 3-10 star fighters along with torpedo tubes depending on the variant Around 4-6 Raider II Corvettes because they're great corvettes and served their role well 1 Gladiator as the main carrier. The official stats says that it can only carry around 24 fighters but this is most likely an uneducated guess considering it's literally 600 meters long and 126 meters high. Also the fact that it's inside is nearly 99% hangar it makes the official count of 24 starfighter seem like a typo, maybe it was meant to be 240? Metanerdz Lore has done a breakdown on how many starfighter it can actually carry so I'll take his guess of around 220 starfighters(not considering the ceiling mounted TIE-Fighter racks which could easily double or triple this number) a much more acceptable amount of fighter compliment 1 Interdictor Class Star Destroyer for obvious reasons I tried to make it as small as possible since we see most of the time that Star Destroyers often travel alone or just in groups of 3 so I hope this would explain why I used so few ships If I have to go even smaller then I'll go with 1 Star Destroyer as the flagship 3 Arquitens cruisers as anti-everything but capital ships. This will be pushing the capabilities of my cruisers but hey, they have 8 point defense cannons, 8 light turbo lasers, 4 missile tubes and 3-10 starfighter you can't go more cheap and versatile than that especially for a light cruiser 2 Raider II corvettes, I feel like I'm stretching it by adding this two corvettes but if I can this will definitely be great ships to have in my fleet
@pilzner1118
@pilzner1118 Жыл бұрын
I just did my own rough calculations to prove this gladiator comment wrong because I thought 200+ ties sounded ridiculous, but after 20 minutes of scale calculations (+guesstimating), angular formulas, and getting rough volumetric data- I found that you’re completely correct, and 24 was probably supposed to be 240* I accounted for everything- like the hanger height not being nearly as high as the total height, how that height lowers as it goes towards the mouth of the hanger, (estimates on height of rear hanger to height of front hanger, and then triangle formula to solve height-depression), and then I even accounted for tie volume filling up hanger volume while discounting ample space around each tie to account for realistic spacing and other operations/equipment/stuff in the hanger I friggin blew 20 minutes just to tell you that mathematically, the gladiator can definitely hold 220-240 ties, if not even more Low key a little mad too but bravo sir 😂🙏🏻
@khadam2221
@khadam2221 8 ай бұрын
@@pilzner1118 No that's a wholesome outcome. So civilized
@kingsolomon673
@kingsolomon673 4 жыл бұрын
*There's no Imperial fleet without good old star destroyers*
@bradhedgehog12
@bradhedgehog12 4 жыл бұрын
Robert the Dude that’s for sure
@booyahgenius
@booyahgenius 3 жыл бұрын
This is the way.
@blasterthehedgehog8824
@blasterthehedgehog8824 4 жыл бұрын
I would replace the CR-92s and 2 of the Raider corvettes with Tartan-class patrol cruisers and the 2 Nebulon-b frigates with a couple of Arquetins light cruisers.
@mlc36tva14
@mlc36tva14 4 жыл бұрын
Or gladiators or a victory class
@fadelsukoco3092
@fadelsukoco3092 4 жыл бұрын
Good point. The Arquitebs was especially good at countering fleets of smaller, more-nimble ships which the Alliance fielded.
@chrissonofpear1384
@chrissonofpear1384 4 жыл бұрын
(cough - whatever size it was)
@jazz5753
@jazz5753 4 жыл бұрын
TARTAN PATROL CRUISER, REPORTING
@reynard4823
@reynard4823 3 жыл бұрын
He is a republic simp
@aperson673
@aperson673 4 жыл бұрын
#askeck Could you do a series on this with every fleet please? Love your videos and keep up the good work!
@seadaw2152
@seadaw2152 4 жыл бұрын
You propose the Enforcer, I bring up the Procursator. It's a medium-sized star destroyer, slightly larger than a Victory, that with its powerful frontal batteries can provide more than half of the ISD II's firepower, and can contend with the Star Destroyer's main Octuple batteries in terms of range. That of course does mean that you would have to sacrifice the Enforcer's interdiction technology, So I personally wouldn't include it in fleets designed to hunt rebels groups, rather those designed to defend vulnerable targets against strikes from faster rebel support ships.
@commanderpondscc-4112
@commanderpondscc-4112 3 жыл бұрын
9:28 How dare you! I accuse you of treason against the grand army of the republic.
@JakeSnake07
@JakeSnake07 4 жыл бұрын
I feel that the Victory/Victoria-class SDs and the Venadors are criminally under-rated.
@iainhowe4561
@iainhowe4561 4 жыл бұрын
Yes. A Victory is a great escort for an ISD.
@lenkagamine4145
@lenkagamine4145 4 жыл бұрын
@@iainhowe4561 How so? the victory has all the weaknesses of the ISD without some of its major advantages. What precisely is it offering to the ISD? its really more of a budget ISD when you cant afford the real thing, not a support ship in any way, as far as I can see.
@geraltofrivia8846
@geraltofrivia8846 4 жыл бұрын
@@lenkagamine4145 The Victory is actually very effective as a support ship, both the Victory 1 and 2 had laser cannons (though not a lot) and allowed some fighter defense (much more than the ISD class 2's zero laser cannons) while still being able to fight off larger cruisers and frigates. While they should not ever be the only thing supporting an ISD, they are an excellent choice and work well with the Star Destroyers.
@bloodypine22
@bloodypine22 3 жыл бұрын
@@lenkagamine4145 Missiles, they offer missiles. Missiles will just about fuck everything ranging from a fighter to heavier cruisers.
@lenkagamine4145
@lenkagamine4145 3 жыл бұрын
@@bloodypine22 I dunno about that. Never seen a victory destroy a large capital ship, and fighters seem to be the most effective point defense in star wars, hence why thats all the empire uses. Kinda think the smaller variant of the Providence can do those things better than the victory anyways. Besides of which, an escort should be at least as fast as the thing its escorting, or else it will be left behind. And I'm almost positive Victory's are slower than ISD's. Thats kinda a large part of why ISD's rarely have support, they're actually really fast.
@victorbruant389
@victorbruant389 4 жыл бұрын
An Empire set in galaxy with hundreds of billions of stars would be impossible to control or defend since it would be impossible to find and destroy any rebellion, especially if there is so much place to hide and you only have a few hundred thousand ships at your disposal.
@carrosivejones1969
@carrosivejones1969 4 жыл бұрын
That's the issue the Tarkin doctrine was supposed to address. Have powerful and intimidating ships, like the ISD, to scare your potential enemies into obedience regardless of their advantages. This could've worked too if the empire didn't mismanage their navy.
@lordfrostwind3151
@lordfrostwind3151 4 жыл бұрын
As long as you focus down the main hyperspace routes that will significantly decrease the area you need to maintain active control over. Still leave a a lot but it becomes more manageable.
@akiraguy
@akiraguy 4 жыл бұрын
this is the very reason the outer rim and the unknown regions exists.
@MasterGhostf
@MasterGhostf 4 жыл бұрын
@@carrosivejones1969 Yea agreed. Problem was the ISD's would fall fast without support. Maybe just give 10% of the budget to support ships for them instead of 0%.
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget the amount of bureaucracy it takes to rule so many planets. If it was so centralized, things would bog down so hard it would take years to push any decision through
@kroganbers3rker778
@kroganbers3rker778 4 жыл бұрын
#AskEck Would it be reasonable to refit the Venator Star Destroyer with octuple barbet turbolasers instead of just dual turbolasers, multiplying its potential firepower by 4 times. Edit: added askeck tag
@oakwhelie
@oakwhelie 4 жыл бұрын
I would say it will increase the energy demand, and it needs to come from somewhere, like taking some power from energy shield
@kroganbers3rker778
@kroganbers3rker778 4 жыл бұрын
@@oakwhelie you can increase the size of the reactor. Do you remember in the Clone Wars TV show there's a lot of empty space in reactor room.
@brotkannschimmeln2875
@brotkannschimmeln2875 4 жыл бұрын
@@kroganbers3rker778 they also could have made a mark II version of the venator which is larger (between 1,2 and 1,4 km) so it can have the weapons and the fighters
@Director_Orson_Krennic
@Director_Orson_Krennic 4 жыл бұрын
Probably would be best to leave the dedicated anti-capital weaponry to the ISD, due to the Venator's relatively weak hull and shielding, and as stated before the more cannons on the batteries would need to draw power from somewhere - likely shields or mobility. However, you could probably get away with making them quadruple turbolaser batteries, along with making the medium turbolasers mounted in the barbettes at the front quad batteries (quad turbolasers being four barrelled, shorter ranged, but faster firing). This would be good for when hostile vessels get in close, due to the reduced firing arcs of the cannon by nature of their mounting style. You don't need your most powerful weaponry there most of the time since the eight batteries on the dorsal side have the better firing angles compared to them, but spitting out more power faster when it comes time for a close-in, fight-for-your-life knife fight between surprise capital ships and the Venator. However, if you were deploying the fleet properly, the Venator would be back and out of range of the main combat, flooding space with their snubfighters while flanked with anti-corvette and anti-snubfighter screens, while the ISDs and their escorts would be sent forward to perform the brunt of the ship-to-ship combat and keeping fire away from the carrier
@johnusas2870
@johnusas2870 4 жыл бұрын
@@Director_Orson_Krennic the Venator and the ISD a match made in heaven, if only it were actually implemented.
@brucejedilee5290
@brucejedilee5290 4 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with your fleet. Though I might occasionally replace the Carracks with either Strike class or Dreadnaught class cruisers. Or most likely varying between the three, Carracks being the more common of the three but I feel the other two could from time to time take its place
@lordfrostwind3151
@lordfrostwind3151 4 жыл бұрын
I did like the Imperial refits from the Thrawn Trilogy, decently balanced cruisers to supplement the fleet.
@TomSalesJr
@TomSalesJr Жыл бұрын
Strike s are great
@DarthVigorous
@DarthVigorous 4 жыл бұрын
HEY! I just used your superiority Imperial fleet design in the Empire at War Remake Mod, and I was able to DECIMATE a rebel fleet within 2 minutes as compared to 10 minutes. :)
@definitelyaperson6334
@definitelyaperson6334 2 жыл бұрын
I just spam crimson commands and I am set
@lostathelney2166
@lostathelney2166 4 жыл бұрын
Dont forget to give the Venator a mid life upgrade like most ships undergo, along with increased automation, increase shields, better reactor add more turbo lasers to its dorsal side for coverage (just more in general) and lower the bridges cause damn they are tall
@juanca2807
@juanca2807 4 жыл бұрын
Designer: "So, how do you want the basic design?" Emperor: "It could definitively use a stupidly big bridge with no other support systems". Warlords: "Great idea, we should also make the point defense systems non existent and also the Starfighters should resemble one use suicide crafts". Emperor: "Yes, yes, Dark side aprroves." Designer: Poker face. 😐
@Nalothisal
@Nalothisal 4 жыл бұрын
r/malitiouscompliance
@MCAroon09
@MCAroon09 4 жыл бұрын
actually, it was tarkin, not emperor
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that “Death Star architect speaks” video where the Emperor suggests increasing the tunnel for DS2 from “X-Wing sized” to “Millennium Falcon sized”. The engineers readily agree
@mememan2404
@mememan2404 4 жыл бұрын
@@artembentsionov MAGIC SPACE WIZARDS
@william_brobrine8975
@william_brobrine8975 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like the venator's turbo lasers are underrated as its turbo lasers are classified as heavy turbo lasers and they can draw power directly from the reactor to just keep on firing endless volleys of turbo laser fire. But that's just one man's opinion
@griffinflyer77
@griffinflyer77 11 ай бұрын
So can an ISD.
@hac3359
@hac3359 4 жыл бұрын
The acclemator isn't that ugly, it's just the bridge that ruins the look. It looks like that sentient Pixar Light
@commanderpondscc-4112
@commanderpondscc-4112 3 жыл бұрын
HAC well it doesn’t actually have windows it has lots of sensors to bring up a big advanced projection of the surrounding environment that’s why it’s weird and round. And I agree it isn’t ugly, I like it.
@mitthrawdoritos30
@mitthrawdoritos30 4 жыл бұрын
Me looking at this video's way to fix the navy: _this is brilliant_ but I prefer this. Take your favorite blue boy with a 300IQ count, clone it, spread it and Voila! (sure it those not "fix" the navy in term of ship but I feel like most ship are fine it's just how they're used in a wrong way.)
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
How to fix the imperial navy, take thrawn and put him in charge of everything. Then establish a proper military culture rather than one of cutthroat captain looking for the next advancement not by way of Vader or palpatine killing your prior.
@LD-oq9lx
@LD-oq9lx 4 жыл бұрын
I have a better idea, clone pelleaon instead, we'll have a commanding figure that actually survives for more than a single campaign.
@TheWingland
@TheWingland 4 жыл бұрын
Vs matchup Sgt. Johnson(Halo) vs Captain Rex(Star Wars)
@christopherhoffer6643
@christopherhoffer6643 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@lordlucius1341
@lordlucius1341 4 жыл бұрын
Bah Johnson is killed by a stupid orb, Rex is regularly outnumbered 100 to one and fought/survived/won two wars despite accelerated aging, and betraying the elite 501st for lady tano.
@shadow-to2lc
@shadow-to2lc 4 жыл бұрын
even so Jacob you gotta think about that, that orb shot a Pretty strong laser fast and tht laser knocked chief down and damaged his mjolnir armor even ontop of that compared to what kind of armor rex has vs chief rex wouldn't survive it. it'd be the same case that happend to johnson by far unless rex would have other people with him at this point if they ever met the orb with that considered they could kill it but someone would die
@GagGreene
@GagGreene 4 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see an equivalent of this for the Rebels, Republic and CIS. Great vid.
@Anditeshordo
@Anditeshordo 4 жыл бұрын
I quite like the acclamator. Outside of that I like this fleet comp for sure. I also can see 2 Venators escorting a ISD. Also since the empire used droids, guarding key planets they could have kept the lukrahulks to be essentially planet guarding mobile space stations.
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
That would be the resource protection and civilian force
@nicktechnubyte1184
@nicktechnubyte1184 4 жыл бұрын
Step 1,... REMOVE PLOT ARMOR!!!
@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847
@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 4 жыл бұрын
Step 2: build a time machine and tell George Lucas to be more on the imperial side.
@leonardusrakapradayan2253
@leonardusrakapradayan2253 4 жыл бұрын
Step3: mix the isd with the venator
@Luciferdesrea
@Luciferdesrea 4 жыл бұрын
Plot armor never goes away from any story. Period.
@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847
@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 4 жыл бұрын
@@Luciferdesrea *Ain't ThaT tHE TRutH.*
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 жыл бұрын
Luciferdesrea yep, it’s been around for thousands of years. Every epic has some larger-than-life person shrugging off blows and strikes that would kill a normal person
@nickdavis5420
@nickdavis5420 Жыл бұрын
Love going back through these older videos for the Eck doctrine.
@mckayjberg6823
@mckayjberg6823 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid Eck, I always enjoy Star Wars KZfaqrs that make sense!
@spartongames1917
@spartongames1917 4 жыл бұрын
Love your content eck keep it up
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
Personally i think the Empire would require an entirely different approach to capship design. Their fleet seems geared towards fighting an enemy with equal capship focus, which the Rebellion just isn´t. Or any other faction left after the Clone Wars. None are a viable threat requiring such a layout for a main capital ship like the IMPSTAR.
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
@@khadenallast4495 Basically a defense force made up of picket ships, nice idea, the VT-49 Decimator is pretty much this. You just need to raise production numbers.
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
@@khadenallast4495 YES, give it some extra boost, and a nice heck spoiler!
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
@@khadenallast4495 ISD is 1.6 kilometers long XD And i agree, TIE pilots would be a good choice. But if a spoiler is unnecessary, explain THIS: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ld6KhbifxpbSkZ8.html
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
@@khadenallast4495 Nah, i´m just joking. Stupid nonsense blabbering, making fun! Also Yamiks makes fun "Ship Reviews".
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 4 жыл бұрын
@@khadenallast4495 Ah yes, i totally get your point. This CAN sometimes least to some awkward details XD
@TheSilverwolf97
@TheSilverwolf97 Жыл бұрын
Dunno if you had done this but would love to see a sort of series of fixing fleets for every faction since, other than the rebels, almost all the time factions composed their fleets poorly. (Republic with their "3 Venators for all", CIS munificent spam, Empire ISD spam, etc). It also helps to give a better understanding of how to build fleets for EaW.
@Foxster_13
@Foxster_13 Жыл бұрын
I know I'm extra late to this, but any fleet that involves one or more Venators is good enough for me. They might not be the best ship, but I think they're very underrated and are very useful when placed with other ships. Plus, like you said, they are a carrier too, I doubt you could fit any AT-ATs within them, but once again, as you mentioned, this job would likely be given to the ISD instead and would allow the Venator to carry fighters instead and a lot of them at that, plus with a seemingly easy to access hangar, they'd be easy to deploy and easy to land into incase they needed to retreat. Though their defence capability isn't as good as the ISD, I feel it would still give any opponent a good fight.
@211pirate6
@211pirate6 4 жыл бұрын
It would be nice if there was an Imperial remodeled/upgraded Venator. In other words, something that looks more imperial.
@ATATChat
@ATATChat 4 жыл бұрын
This is fantastic. Also, could you direct a SW film battle? yes.
@obi-wan-jacobi840
@obi-wan-jacobi840 4 жыл бұрын
I want to see an updated Essential Guide to Warfare that has Canon stats for everything.
@jamesmagill5433
@jamesmagill5433 3 жыл бұрын
Good episode! Nice Imperial fleet formation. You’re strong with the Dark Side....
@Inquisitor_Redacted
@Inquisitor_Redacted 4 жыл бұрын
Might not be a bad idea to strip the turbo lasers off the Venator and replace them with more laser cannons. That way it can provide extra anti-fighter defense towards the fleets vulnerable rear.
@ursaber
@ursaber 4 жыл бұрын
My Fleet or Flotilla task force composition would consist of: 1 ISD, 1 Interdictor, 1 Victory class, 1 Venator, 6 Raider Corvettes
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
Good and bata task force would be 1 ISD 4 Victory class and 1 Venator class.
@seankean4101
@seankean4101 2 жыл бұрын
@@mikekean8344 the vangurad
@Antidragon-nl7by
@Antidragon-nl7by 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Echhart! It's why I subscribed to you channle. And I really liked the music also. It was still "you" while still being mellow and relaxing.
@hughgedney3393
@hughgedney3393 4 жыл бұрын
A very extremely great video as always EckhartsLadder, and I agree with you fleet set up.
@Pringles58
@Pringles58 4 жыл бұрын
Damn, the empire should have hired this man, he seems to be an actual General!
@evenl.b4409
@evenl.b4409 4 жыл бұрын
More like an Admiral
@weldonwin
@weldonwin 4 жыл бұрын
Nah, he's not pointlessly cruel enough
@commanderpondscc-4112
@commanderpondscc-4112 3 жыл бұрын
weldonwin except when he bullies the acclimatior, which is not ugly.
@Kurayamiblack
@Kurayamiblack 4 жыл бұрын
The perfect fleet is simply the Eclipse II equipped with a plot armor jamming system :)
@Legomocmaker
@Legomocmaker 4 жыл бұрын
I would personally also add Tartan class patrol cruisers. Wookieepedia states that they were as armed and armored as a Lancer, but about as fast as a Carrack. They've only really appeared in Empire at War, so I have no idea if they're still even canon or not. Great video though, keep it up!
@thehighhegemon2199
@thehighhegemon2199 4 жыл бұрын
I think, that you could maybe even downscale it further, because the imp. Fleets always had the higher firepower until the later phase of the rebellion( and some excuses here and there). I think you could make the Victory Star Destroyer the capital Ship of the Fleet and put some ISD‘s in strategic/key locations from where they could quickly reinforce the smaller Fleets with the Victorys, because the empire always dictated capital Ship size. Also replace the Tie fighter of possible.
@christopherhoffer6643
@christopherhoffer6643 4 жыл бұрын
Great video also here are some ideas Unsc Inifinty vs Uss Enterprise Master Chief vs Samus Aran Samus Aran Vs Darth Vader
@MrGreat-cd9im
@MrGreat-cd9im 4 жыл бұрын
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@Focalroc
@Focalroc 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. great Reply when you know how to use a normal fucking font
@Darth-Nihilus1
@Darth-Nihilus1 4 жыл бұрын
The venitor class works for the carrier and victory 1 and 2 work then the ISD 1 and 2 are heavy duty. Thank you for this!
@jonny5777
@jonny5777 4 жыл бұрын
The music in your videos is amazing 👌
@looseycanon
@looseycanon 4 жыл бұрын
Well, I'd say you pretty much nailed it. Especially giving Acclamators in to the mix. While primarily transports, these babies throw quite a punch, so you effectively have cruiser grade ships added in to the mix, while carying supplies for the rest of the fleet. One thing I would do with the Venator might actually be long ramge plasma gun, akin to to Aggressor class, if it would fit, giving the Venator aditional functionality as long range artilery support.
@ESFNinja
@ESFNinja 4 жыл бұрын
The Tarkin Doctine. Such an ineffective strategy. The Empire would have benefited greatly without it.
@TitanOfDarkness25
@TitanOfDarkness25 4 жыл бұрын
Captain Cutter i agree
@aperson673
@aperson673 4 жыл бұрын
Captain Cutter agreed.
@justanothergamer6865
@justanothergamer6865 4 жыл бұрын
It was effective at what it was meant to do, intimidate the masses, the rebel alliance would be a lot bigger without the fear factor of thee Tarkin Doctrine.
@artembentsionov
@artembentsionov 4 жыл бұрын
Just Another Gamer yeah but blowing up Alderaan had the opposite effect
@anakinskywalker9756
@anakinskywalker9756 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine worrying about tactics or fleet composition, instead of sending 10 big space doritos to solve the problem
@alluringming
@alluringming 2 жыл бұрын
Love see you try to fix and design the Sith empire from Swtor. ^^
@BradleyBarba-km9qu
@BradleyBarba-km9qu Жыл бұрын
I think having the venator in the rear is a great way to cover the isd as ties didnt have hyper drives so it makes sense that ties would deploy from the venator to cover the isd as it's ties would be deployed after creating a swarm
@Viguier89
@Viguier89 4 жыл бұрын
No Arquitens ? I think they may be good support ship that could fulfil both anti capital ships and anti fighters. Put some Ion cannons and anti fighters gun, and you have a nice ship against pirates and rebells.
@russellharrell2747
@russellharrell2747 4 жыл бұрын
I think the imperial fleets in the Rebels cartoon were a bit more like Eck wants. Plenty of Arquitens on display, interdictors and carriers.
@commanderpondscc-4112
@commanderpondscc-4112 3 жыл бұрын
Except plot armor and boring fights where the imperials literally can’t hit or dew anything.
@ExplosiveMuffin1
@ExplosiveMuffin1 4 жыл бұрын
Refitted Dreadnought class heavy cruisers, one or two of these could greatly improve combat effectiveness vs capital ships
@Motordiciton
@Motordiciton 4 жыл бұрын
Like the new background music. I’ve had Unfound’s music on Spotify for ages
@_tertle3892
@_tertle3892 4 жыл бұрын
Yay a much needed video
@TitanOfDarkness25
@TitanOfDarkness25 4 жыл бұрын
Wassup eck Love your vids I have a question: What do you think is the best role in the Clone army? #AskEck
@tanith117
@tanith117 4 жыл бұрын
Same as Imperial Guard, Mobile Artillery. Far enough back to not get shot, Still get to use the biggest guns on land. Important enough you wont get Re assigned to the front lines and if the enemy gets too close you can retreat with your vehicle.
@o00nemesis00o
@o00nemesis00o 4 жыл бұрын
Cook.
@talistrahan6374
@talistrahan6374 4 жыл бұрын
9:30 "She was built in Republic times, held together by bits of bind" "We're waiting for the day, waiting for the day! Waiting for the day that we get our pay"
@daednu1197
@daednu1197 4 жыл бұрын
Top ten most underrated comments
@sharpclaw24
@sharpclaw24 4 жыл бұрын
Yay, new vid :v thanks for something to watch before sleep dd
@PPLAYZ1
@PPLAYZ1 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and good design of a fleet. I like it.
@emmanuelmorris7653
@emmanuelmorris7653 4 жыл бұрын
#ASKECK Can you do the Gray Paladins from coruscant nights? They're a Jedi faction that used blasters and other weapons one was so good that she was able to send one of her own bolts straight up an enemy's blaster barrel. They also believed in using the force as little as possible so they focused on other skills like martial arts and military tactics like guerrilla warfare, urban tactics, espionage, and infiltration.
@agentwash1
@agentwash1 4 жыл бұрын
I'm Empire at War, I'd always use the same Imperial Fleet build, 1 ISD backed up by 2 Vics and 4 Accumulators. If I had the option I'd throw in 2 Venators, superior fire power mixed with flexibility.
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
That would be the law enforcement fleets
@jordank6961
@jordank6961 Жыл бұрын
never get tired of that intro XD
@jigolocana7492
@jigolocana7492 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video!!!!
@totalwar1793
@totalwar1793 4 жыл бұрын
Why the Enforcer rather than the Vindicator?
@connordlthegamer2980
@connordlthegamer2980 3 жыл бұрын
"how to fix imperial fleets" so I got this new idea, we kamikaze our ships against the consortium, then we initiate Operation Bullet Hell and rebuild the fleet, using all our pop cap to build broadsides and tartan patrol cruisers.
@connordlthegamer2980
@connordlthegamer2980 3 жыл бұрын
EAW related joke btw.
@ascendant2-7
@ascendant2-7 4 жыл бұрын
Ever considered the Tartan Patrol Craft from Legends? Also, Unfound sounds amazing! Thanks for advertising his work Eck!
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
Assuming I can refit the ships to have a similar hyperdrive rate and sunlight speed, I would do 1 ISD, 1 victory, and one venator as my core, a pair of interdictors as support, and a pair of quasars as support, 4 nebulon B, and fill the rest of the complement with raiders and cr90s. For small craft, the quasars would be assigned wings of gunships, the ISD would be assigned its standard endor complement as to include interceptors and bombers and the venator would be assigned a wing of arc 170s, a wing of defenders and the standard ties to fill out the rest.
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
To clarify, the arc's and and gunship would serve as initial pickets and special mission units along side the defenders, and I should also add lambda shuttles to each hangar equipped ship.
@harrychen6332
@harrychen6332 4 жыл бұрын
Tarkin has disliked the video.
@LoneWolf20213
@LoneWolf20213 4 жыл бұрын
to me, adding 2 Venator's and 10 Quasar's would drastically increase their fleet capabilities a trio of Victories and Acclimator's for support and land invasion/cargo transport raider's and CR92's for anti-fighter capability along with Lancer and Carrek ship's to support and for other option's, an interdictor with Nebulon B's in escort to help my fleet if anything, I would like to upgrade any if not all of these ship's to be better suited for flexibility and combat
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
Or civilian carrying capacity
@LoneWolf20213
@LoneWolf20213 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikekean8344 oh true, more troops on the ground to add support or to evacuate civilians in need
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf20213 that is correct 100 present
@LoneWolf20213
@LoneWolf20213 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikekean8344 I get it, ground battle's are how war's are won, though I think I would add some droid ship's and starfighter's as well since they were cheap and easy to replace
@mikekean8344
@mikekean8344 3 жыл бұрын
@@LoneWolf20213 well if you use droid ships you will have the firepower to keep the invaders back while you evacuate the civilians from the planet.
@DarkPuppy9
@DarkPuppy9 4 жыл бұрын
Strike Cruisers and Escort Carriers, the ECs were almost as fast as a Quasar but had more hanger space, and Strike Cruisers were some of the faster strike craft in the Imperial Navy and packed some serious firepower for their size.
@cjcrites4993
@cjcrites4993 4 жыл бұрын
Love this sort of theory craft
@OverlordZephyros
@OverlordZephyros 4 жыл бұрын
Weird you didn't include much the gladiator star destroyer... 🤔 They were designed specifically for ISD support.
@nicholasfarrell5981
@nicholasfarrell5981 4 жыл бұрын
Lord Zephyros Gladiator-class?
@OverlordZephyros
@OverlordZephyros 4 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasfarrell5981 yes
@OverlordZephyros
@OverlordZephyros 4 жыл бұрын
@Caedmon Kline mayyybe 😉
@TrosheeWasTaken
@TrosheeWasTaken 2 жыл бұрын
Arquitens be crying in the corner 😔
@MrNiceGuy214
@MrNiceGuy214 4 жыл бұрын
congrats still on the wedding... great job man
@Justin-hn1oj
@Justin-hn1oj 4 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@kingoftheneeks3623
@kingoftheneeks3623 4 жыл бұрын
Easy just redesign everything to make the reasonable and terrifying.
@ToastGamingNCrew
@ToastGamingNCrew 4 жыл бұрын
I'd say put the Venator bridge on the ISD, and put some laser cannons by all of the hangar openings, and directly above and below the bridge (possibly hanging), just because we all saw what happened with Vader's Flagship.
@kingoftheneeks3623
@kingoftheneeks3623 4 жыл бұрын
@@ToastGamingNCrew you know those lasers on the heavy SPA used on genosis put those on the broad sides
@ToastGamingNCrew
@ToastGamingNCrew 4 жыл бұрын
@@kingoftheneeks3623 oh yeah that would fix so much. Especially if Thrawn uses them. But even just that added firepower to the broadsides would help in cqb against bigger rebel ships
@kingoftheneeks3623
@kingoftheneeks3623 4 жыл бұрын
@@ToastGamingNCrew more point defense systems as well maybe 100
@Nason599
@Nason599 4 жыл бұрын
Eck, why not consider the Tartan Partol corvette instead of the CR90? yes the CR90 is better, but the TP has a more "imperial" look to it :)
@seanrea550
@seanrea550 4 жыл бұрын
The funny thing is most ships the rebellion outside of the mon cal ships, the empire have access to. The cr90s are imperial diplomatic corvettes but could be used in imperial fleets.
@Nason599
@Nason599 4 жыл бұрын
@@seanrea550 very true! i was thinking completely on ascetics i guess lol
@michaelhviper
@michaelhviper 3 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm not an expert on all three ships, this makes sense to me. This what you do creates variety and gives more types of ships to the table. I would definitely also use Vemators as support ships. I would also use them for rebel fleets ad carriers. They have lots of space for fighters so that is an asset.
@leewilcox1500
@leewilcox1500 4 жыл бұрын
The quotes from the Essential Guide to Warfare made me very happy
@lucasstorey9177
@lucasstorey9177 4 жыл бұрын
I think you are asking for too much in this list. You have 7 different models of ships and three of which are very large capitol ships. The production cost for one battle group is far too large. You also have to remember that some of the ships are far too similar. Why are you using carracks and nebulons. Also why cr95s and raiders. It makes no sense. Why use the enforcer as extra firepower when the venator provides that and carries fighers.
@TheThegoldenspatula
@TheThegoldenspatula 4 жыл бұрын
Dab Daniel Well the Venator, as Eck said, would be automated or operated by a skeleton crew, with the sole purpose of it being to launch fighters rather than sit in the front lines. You wouldn’t need to produce the Venators since the Republic had done that for you; you just repurpose the existing ones. Then to balance costs, I’d cut down on the total number of ISD’s to create fewer but more well rounded battle groups that are going to be far more efficient in combat than what the Empire fielded. It makes more sense to do that than continually waste credits on replacing destroyed ISD’s because your battle groups can’t properly protect them.
@dwaldpilar9309
@dwaldpilar9309 4 жыл бұрын
Why wouldn't you use a DP20 over the CR90?? Especially if you were using your corvettes for anti- starfighter screening??? #askeck
@battlefieldcustoms873
@battlefieldcustoms873 4 жыл бұрын
Fleet’s and space tactics are the video’s I am hunting right now and I am again excited to find myself watching an Eckhart video.
@m_schauk
@m_schauk 4 жыл бұрын
What about the Imperial strike -class cruiser? It is also sometimes referred to as the imperial strike cruiser. These were meant to be both cheap and modular, while supporting at least 2 squadrons of fighters. Fast and capable of taking on most capital ships except ISDs (where you might need 2-3). The only real downside is that the ship itself looks like an elongated white poo. But poo aesthetic aside... its a good ship. And what about dreadnaughts, especially for the support fleet? They are old, but sturdy and cheap!
@marduk1734
@marduk1734 4 жыл бұрын
Random admiral: versatility is a key to victory! Fire power isn't everything! Malos Vrykan: ahem-ahem. Same admiral: on the other hand, only cucks would deny the inevitable: fire power is superior to everything.
@thorshammer7883
@thorshammer7883 4 жыл бұрын
#AskEck *Attempt 572* Can you please do the Forerunners vs Warhammer 40k factions. Just listen to the fans. We're kinda tired of lore videos.
@kaelkirkby9191
@kaelkirkby9191 4 жыл бұрын
Warhammer beats everything
@thorshammer7883
@thorshammer7883 4 жыл бұрын
@@kaelkirkby9191 Tell that to the Xeelee.
@glidingpenguin2341
@glidingpenguin2341 4 жыл бұрын
Eckharts: Hey guys I put out a new video Audience: cool Eckharts: There’s a Venator in the thumbnail Audience: HOLY SHIT PLAY IT RIGHT NOW
@Tar-Numendil
@Tar-Numendil 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really happy that you included the Venator class. Also, I love the Acclamator. It's not the best looking, but it certainly beats out the Praetor mk. II for me (I find that ship hideous).
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