#soupnation

So I'm a beginning player (61 never too old to start). It's so nice having youtube to teach me so much. I'm struggling with nose down. "Pour the coffee", but with everything I'm still thinking about during my throw, that always went out the window and bloop nose up. So I watched this video (twice) and went out today to try it. It made the biggest difference in my throws that I've seen in a couple months. Not worrying about my wrist, but just supinating at the end of my throw was so easy and the flights were some of my best and longest. Really thanks Josh.

I've been waiting for this one - Thank you! Great instruction, as always!

Love your channel. I have learned so much. Your breakdown of each element of a particular throw is so helpful. Thank you. I look forward to more!

this is very good stuff. so many analogs to the 'ball golf' move / pursuit of piercing trajectories.

This is becoming a staple channel for me. Great job guys.

You always upload what im trying to figure out right on time.. love these videos, you guys are worth so much more subscribers!!! Keep it up and we all appreciate what you do!!

Incredible and insightful content, as always! Thank y’all for all of the amazing instruction! I try to watch me some Overthrow as often as I can. This video was especially helpful for me, as I struggle with nose angle, and find supination to be a much more natural approach versus keeping tension in the wrist throughout the shot. Thank you again!

Awesome advice as always 👍

Good context and educational value here!

Fascinating. Such digestible content every time. Thanks man

Just want to say thank you man!! Don’t stop making content please

Love your content! I think this is literally the first time I’ve considered looking into patreon. After recently seeing myself throw I’m about to completely relearn and try to rebuild my form. Your stuff just always makes sense.

I've gotten tons of helpful advice at the course but options like this is way better. No one is the same and I've had to ask my own thing too. Thanks.

Well done guys!

Good info on the supenation stuff! I always was thrown off seeing how much wrist flex guys like Ricky and Simon have but you did a great job explaining how they make it work

Finally a video that fully explains everything, this helped a lot

really good explanations, thanks

I've watched this video countless times and just now figured out what you meant with the clock on the disc... I've been throwing into the net for a few sets and realized that I'm getting much more snap and my nose angle is better. I'll let you know how much distance I get at the course and field work! Thanks so much OT

Such a good video. Nose up is my #1 problem (of many). I will be working on this and trying both methods out to see what works best for me. You actually inspired a dye that I did to one of my discs as a training tool I will try to send you out a picture to get your take on it.

i was literally in a field earlier today struggling with this and then i come home and this was uploaded an hour ago. talk about timing :D thanks!

Y'all keep validating my hairbrain theories. Btw, after almost two years of playing DG and two weeks of your tutorials, I managed three PR's in two days. I PRed the most difficult course in SATX, Live Oak Hillside...2up. Keep the content coming!

There may be a fly in my soup. I've recently begun simplifying my form as much as possible to reduce the number of moving parts and variables. So holding the angle from start to finish seems like a solid strategy. Combined with a new 3 finger power grip which naturally dips the leading edge into my desired angle (down), it's been working consistently well. Thanks for the great content.

I saw gannon talking on youtube about the supinating wrist... i tried it straight away and bang!!! Its ridiculously good!! I kinda explain to other disc golfers that asked me about it, that its kinda like an automatic reaction... cant wait for tomorrow afternoon.

Ooooo. Steamy intro there, guys. Do we have Mikey to thank for that? Also, Josh, you’re a legend. I have a tournament coming up, so I’m waiting until that’s over to do much work on my form, but then I’ll have so much to hone and so much high level content to refer to. This is indispensable information. I’m becoming a patron just to pay you guys for making *these* videos.

I think I’ve gained so much from watching your videos. This is perfect, because this is what I noticed I think my main issue is. Thanks for the video!

Wow you comment about if you're releasing late your nose down angle turns into nose up was a huge revelation for me. I've been struggling with late releases and I feel like when I rip one and get a snap on it they're often nose up (and annhyzer) - and I think it's exactly what you mentioned.

This video was super helpful. I've been struggling with my release angles and thought that 12 o'clock was the correct angle of release, but this video helped me understand how that is wrong. I've also been struggling with trying to keep my wrist flexed (as in the pouring coffee method) while also keeping my arm loose enough to create the "whip" that you hear so much of in the DG community. I think this video does an excellent job addressing how those two seemingly contradictory concepts of a flexed wrist (pouring coffee) and loose arm (whip) can both co-exist in form. But after watching this video, I am definitely doing to give the soup method a try as I think it could do a better job encouraging a relaxed and smooth release in my own form. Either way, thank you for the great content! We're very lucky to have you and your awesome cameraman (I really do appreciate when they ask questions mid-video because they're often the same ones I have) in the DG community. Cheers

Coincidence ,doing your "software routine" every day without disc in my hand has improved my form ,and for just some days ago i realized that it is the (lack of.....) nose down part that stops me from throwing further with drivers than midrange.So this came in handy!Keep the good work up.

I really like the comparison with the two different styles. I have a friend I go with who throws the second style, and I sometimes find it hard to describe how much anny or hyzer to throw on the same discs. It took me a bit to realize that there were multiple ways to throw the same exact shot. We both throw similar distance RHBH, and its cool to see different methods achieve the same effect.

Soupination . Love it!

Very helpful!

I've been playing disc golf for a few years now, and since I started watching your videos I've had more improvement to my game than ever before, including getting my first sanctioned win. Keep up the good content 🔥

I'm definitely going to give this a shot!!! Thank you for pushing me to change my approach. The struggle to break 310' is real.

Team Soup Nation right here. Great video!

Your content is souperior to all others

Hey guys! Love your content! I was curious if you have a video for throwing up hill vs down hill? Thank you so much for getting me an extra 75' with a week's worth of practice!

You guys are just killing it. Also, I would like soup.

Helpful advice and a good reminder of keeping the nose down. Something I've struggled with as a player with 2 years experience and 350 feet of power: how can I ensure the nose is down, while throwing long distance shots? High throws that utilize the fairway and plenty of space under the disc make it always feel nose up. Thanks!

Carrying the breifcase 😆 I have the disc in that same position during my reachback

Great vid. Could you do video analysis on Gavin and Ricky' drives? They have interesting pulls as well.

That's why my anhyzer shots feel so much faster! It's combination of more effective hip rotation and pronounced supination, both of which happen because I struggled getting anhyzer angle and only solution was highly angled runup, extreme leanback and turning the disc almost bottom up during reachback.

Would absolutely LOVE if Overthrow did an analysis of nose angle with Isaac Robinson.

Very cool explanation. Thanks. I'll note that putters and mids don't have as sharp a leading edge, so there's a much wider margin of error on nose angle. Drivers have such a sharp knife edge that getting the nose angle correct is super sensitive to the exact angle of release. The pros can manipulate the release angle much better than us mere mortals, but they also prefer throwing putters whenever they can for this very reason, IMO.

The nose angle and point of release relationship was a very interesting insight for me. It may explain why I get the nose up and stall even when hyper focusing on "pour the coffee."

this is good i have struggle with nose down seems impossible, and i did something like this but couldnt get nosdown, anyway will try this and also putter standstill, my speed is around 74 kmh always, 80 meter no matter what i did, so i think that has to do with the nose angle because the harder you throw the disc the more brake it gets at nose up, so always around 75kmh, 80 kmh sometimes, hope i can figure out this, thx, btw, find your noseangle by simply simulate the throw, mine is at 11 i find out easy, if i have correct simulation that is, well found out next time, thx for good content 🙂❤️ keep it up

This is going to hopefully be a game changer for me. I try the pouring the coffee, and it just leads to tension and turn over. Will try the second method. Thank you

This field looks familiar. Great stuff!!

Can you do a video on altering your timing for less than ideal tee pads? I have a lot of trouble adjusting my footwork timing on short/uneven tees

I don't remember any other videos telling me the release point should be 11:00, so I learned something there. I always thought it should be at 12;00 and I shank it right a lot of the time. I do the coffee method and it works, yet I always feel like I'm all tight and it doesn't go near as far as a nose up. Anyway, more work as always and thanks.

Uh. Wow. This was how I threw anhyzer. This little change has made an enormous difference.

Finally someone said supinate ! Great vid as always , thank you

Thank you. Back in February, I accidentally threw a fris at the 10 - 11 release point and was amazed at how far it went. Until now, I had no idea why. I typically release at the 1 - 2 point. I find that when I start my throw by rotating my hips, the 10 - 11 release point comes more naturally.

These videos are great and I am a subscriber! Two issues you didn't cover: How much nose down and how does this change depending on rim or what type of disc?

Coming from the ultimate world, I definitely had to revamp this part of my throw so I didn't push through with my thumb. By relaxing the wrist/forearm and being nose up on the "reach back", the mechanics of the throw will naturally supinate the wrist. The standard deviation of my disc distance shrunk dramatically. Now if only I could putt...

All your videos have been super helpful, thanks! But I just watched your backhand grib video before this and thought they don’t coincide. I throw as you explain here and it works. But shouldn’t the tip of the whip be nose down?

Carrying the briefcase 🤣 love it

Love the second method because it keeps you loose. I found with pouring the coffee if you end up pulling the wrist comes up because of the tension (you essentially pulling with your wrist). That makes the elbow drop and causes nose up even more.

Pronate Supinate I'm just tryna throw it straight 😏 Overthrow Disc Golf's great 👍 When's the next vid?🤔 I can't wait ⏳

Nice! Turn that wrist down and play with the angle. I want to learn more about how or if throwing higher with the nose down is possible or a issue for beginners. Anytime I throw a higher disk it tends to be nose up. I pour the coffee.

thanks a lot for mentioning about the 2nd method. i’m a beginner and i’m having issues keeping nose down. keeping my wrist in the “pouring coffee” method is very unnatural and i’m having difficulty sticking to it all the way to the follow through. i guess the best way is actually taking a video of your throws and finding ways to ensure you have the nose down at the release point? and not to focus on the upper body but rather the basics of footwork and lower body rotation? i’m not so sure to be honest…

Really great topic and content. Mechanically this is one I've struggled with and have been messing with. Pour the coffee - 100% agree on the tension in the wrist. Because if you look at pros in slow motion and watch the final moments before the release of the disc, their wrists are curled on the back of the disc just moments before the 10 o'clock release aka the tip of the whip from Dave Dunapace. They're throwing the back of the disc. If you pour the coffee, in my case I have found you lose some mobility (extension and flexion) in your wrist trying to force the thumb down compared to a neutral wrist placement. Paul Ulibarri is a wrist curler - watch him throw and on his first step is his wrist curls around the disc. If there's tension in the wrist, and the mobility becomes less/uncomfortable, I am either pushing the thumb down too hard or I my facts are wrong about the wrists involvement. GG is a briefcase holder and it's something I've started doing. One thing Simon reinforces is that the more moving parts and variability in your throw, the harder it is to replicate and to be consistent. I think the briefcase method is one that can be difficult to replicate because there's a higher chance of one of the moving parts being slightly off. The only alternative that I've thought about is like you mentioned pour the coffee at the last moment vs the entire throw. This one I haven't found to jive because thinking about having to do that at the right moment feels like a moving piece that could go wrong the most easily.

You guys are amazing, thank you so much. Broke 500 Today!!!

Any tips on how to get a good clean hyzer release with method 2? Whenever I try and subinate my wrist to avoid nose up I tend to roll over onto an extreme anhyzer angle (LHBH player)

Soup and Coffee please. I find it helps if I have a little more up pressure from my ring and pinky fingers to help keep the nose down when I'm pouring the coffee. But, still having troubles keeping the nose down when throwing a high anni that needs to hold that angle. Too many nose up - stable up - OB combos.

Clock face stamp would be sick

I've been focussing 100% on my nose angle as I think that's whats holding me back--but anytime I actually get the disc to be nose down like this, it either A) Comes out on a downward trajectory into the ground, or B) is nose down and going forward, but at an anhyzer angle. I've never gotten the disc flat or at a hyzer with nose down

You have lost a lot of weight since this video mate. Good efforts! I'm a skinny bastard, and in 3 months of playing this ive lost weight, which i didnt need to lose, but i kinda toned a bit too...nothing crazy...but definitely a fit point in my life...

That Thor graphic made me flinch!

I recently tried 'pouring the coffee' and I got burned. Now I'm going to try 'carrying the briefcase'. Thanks for the great video 👍

I've been trying to "pour the coffee" and have been extremely unsuccessful. I want to try supination, but is this less consistent as it seems like the timing is very important?

I changed my grip and was able to get it nose down

Pretty sure it isn’t just me but it seems I naturally throw putters and mids nose down and the drivers are where I really have to work at it. I *think* it’s the shape of the discs that contribute to this, and how I’m gripping them.

I personally pour the coffee. It's the only swing thought I have, which is a huge plus for me, and it also allows me to just be consistent. I do wish I was skilled enough for some soup though :(

liked for the music

one problem i have with method 2 is that I get a bit of flutter with it in the very beginning of the disc flight. it then levels itself out. witch that said, I do get a flat shot more consistently.

Why do the supination att the end of the throw? Good video btw

I noticed you mentioned tennis. I have a problem with my backhand throw that I assume is the result of tennis: radial deviation of the wrist. This is especially a problem when trying the coffee-pouring technique--my wrist always floats up out of it. Hopefully supination helps. Have you run into this problem before (perhaps with other tennis disc golfers)?

Super superb supination nation supplementation

When you are supinating it looks like you are also pouring the coffee (unlar deviation) in addition to supination. Is that intentional or just accidental habit? Should you do both if you are doing a briefcase carry?

Dude that alien drone almost took you out.

I watched this due to pain in wrist with pouring coffee. Looks like I’ll have to try the tension free way. But how does it work with anheizers?!

Super helpful! Is there something similar to “pouring the coffee” for forehands? Watched the whole series you put out and I still feel like half the time I throw forehands nose up and they just rise up and die. I know it’s different mechanics but I often wonder about that.

Good video. Couple of critiques. I found the background music to be a bit loud while you were talking. Also going through the motions and releasing the disc I think would have been helpful. But thanks for giving me something to think about.

@Overthrow Disc Golf, do you have an email address or other means I could reach out to you on? Thanks!

Unrelated.. What is the outro song? Love it.

I think your supination strategy adds complexity to the throw. You now have yet another thing that has to be done with perfect timing with a joint that is changing shape very quickly. Add the complexity of throwing with a hyser or anhyser release and your are really asking for a shank. I prefer to visualize the disc being slid across a table in front of me. Across the entirety of the throw, the front and back of the disc stay in the same plane. If you want to throw a hyser, you still throw along the same plane, but you tilt at the waist to change the angle of that plane. This is super evident with forehands, where angle of attack a common problem. I also like to teach people to diagnose the angle of attack issue by telling them, "if the harder you throw, the faster your disc goes to the sky, you probably aren't throwing flat." One more thing. You say to throw nose down. Many newbies will think that you mean that they should throw with the leading edge lower than the trailing edge of the disc. I am pretty sure that will not end well for most people...unless the trajectory of their pull is from low to high...and even then, don't you still want the disc totally flat as it leaves your hand?

i.m.o. Simon and Eagle just try to use the full sling shot potential. Nice video btw

I think a ton of talented players that start throwing hard get a bad habit of rolling the thumb down to press the disc edge down rather than that forearm roll. Ill give that forearm roll a try! Thanks

If you’re pulling, rather than rotating, would you be more prone to sore back and arms, or is that just a sign that I’m getting back into this sport after several years of inactivity?

The pronation trick worked wonders! Instant 40-50ft add to the max distance. Only problem now is that I have trouble rolling my wrist over into anhyzers. In practice I meant to throw my Instinct flat, rolled over on anhyzer a bit, and crushed it almost 400 feet! Thank you for this advice, I think this will work better for me than the supination method.

grip for nose angle down option 1 Ezra option 2 Simon

Came here for the soup I ate! Wondering if the "nose" isn't actually the back of the disc as it pivots at 10'oclock and begins its spin?

So how does one throw at a higher angle, higher in the air, but not nose up? If a shorter player is on the same line of play, I imagine they have to throw "higher" in relation to their shoulder and match the correct line... So how do they throw "nose down?" Is it a flippier disc? A more anhyzer release?

The pour coffee method refers more to 'ulnar deviation,' which I believe controls the nose angle better. But you are definitely onto some things here because in my work with coaching friends through the "pour coffee" method has not always worked. I am reluctant to agree about supination and pronation as i think messing with those angles leads to off-axis torque for many. On a side note, I think the root of most nose angle issues is truly and simply--isometric wrist and hand strength. We can talk all about this or that angle but at the end of the day, the wrist is a very mobile joint that relies primarily on muscular stability. Over time and reps of throwing, people simply get better at manipulating the disc the way they want as you alluded to in the video. Great discussion stuff so if you ever want to talk to someone who studies movement daily, reach out. Great vid

when you say nose down are meaning not nose up and flat or actually nose down?

How important is grip when talking about nose angle ?

If you get a signature disc, please call it clockwork and use that as a stamp. Because your instruction is methodical...kinda like...you know, clockwork.

INNOVA!!!!

Old guy here with a lot of Tennis years at a high level with a strong 1 handed backhand. I seem to like understable discs that I can hyzer-flip as this seems to feel more natural to me like my tennis backhand. When I throw flat, I have to throw low "bullets" to keep the nose down. Any tips on throwing more "up" while keeping the nose down?