For those that want to understand why the Disc flies well with nose down is because at initial high velocity the center of lift is acting forward of the geometric center of the disc. This well give the disc an nose up pitch early in flight. If thrown flat the nose will rise increasing the angle of attack and lead to airflow separation on the top surface wich will reduce lift and speed. Just some basic aerodynamics for those interested.

After watching both FPO and MPO for two days at Maple Hill I realize that 95% of ams I see, including myself throw nose up. There is nothing that is more important than throwing nose down. Why should we even focus on any other form improvements before throwing nose down. It’s everything!

This is all true. Just as an adder: If you have tried all these things..check your weight transfer and make sure you're transferring your weight to the plant foot BEFORE you swing. Not only is this important for getting distance, the alignment of your hips can send the disc into the sky if you execute the swing too soon. Harder to see on backhand players but, go take a look at someone who throws forehand. When they throw and they aren't off their back foot, that disc goes sky high.

This is the most important video on disc golf for my form, ever. I changed my grip because I wasn’t even allowing my disc to get any more nose-down than flat. This feels incredible. Thank you so much.

Great explanation and instruction. Thank you

Good timing. I was watching one of your old videos about this exact thing last night

I just rewatched the old video. Crazy timing

Unbelievable. This is why I come to you for coaching. The way you coach and explain things is SO effective. If I can understand it anyone can...lol. Thanks for the info as always.

Good stuff! Could you make a vid about this with forehand, too?

Another piece of the puzzle , that is basics of disc golf. Congrats Dakota , saw previous video with the tec disc, well done sir. Have to do mine old fashioned on the course. Getting there myself. Like my straight discs, a thing thing of beauty watching a disc just run exactly where u aim it. Nose issue has been a thing for me ,but Getting there. Keep it up, I tell everyone just starting to watch your videos , has been working for me.

Anothrr great one with great description and demonstration. Shout out to all the timely added sound effect 😂

Great tips! I put the placing the disc with my offhand, made a huge difference!

Thanks Josh, def something I fight with!

This series is amazing…techdisc just arrived…2 hours on it and i never threw nose down…having this video will give me solid direction to grind. Techdisc is a game changer but your videos are essential to understand how to use it!! Ty!

One thing I've discovered that has actually helped some other people, is to follow through with your hand still closed like it's gripping a disc. A lot of people try to "let go" when they throw, which pushes the thumb down and thus the nose up. If you follow through the whole swing with your hand still closed in the "poured" position, it's almost impossible to throw nose up.

The game within the game. Been watching since the beginning m80 - the notice in quality production (ironically also has a game within the game) has been getting so great. Your fitness journey has also been amazing to see overtime. Thanks for the vid - I have a golf net and a few courses which have drive nets for warmup, but really it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to unload 30 drivers into those things and be like "yea that felt good" super excited for the next generations of data discs and apps.

Great video well done!

Best advice I got was to focus on my elbow being above my wrist. I think it's somewhat a mental tip, perspective but it worked for me. It's amazing how much more distance you can get nose down

Quality video! Thanks

I threw hundreds of times with the Techdisc and nothing I tried would have me throw nose down. Then I saw this video and your tip about not unfurling the wrist. That was it! Not letting the unfurl was the first time I got a negative nose angle. You're the only person I've seen talk about this. It's really tough, though. I have to really concentrate and force myself to keep the wrist curled. It feels so unnatural to me. It's going to take tons of practice.

This is helpful. I have a TechDisc that I have thrown a couple hundred times and my nose angle is still too high. Nose angle is on the + side at the moment. The TechDisc has helped me lower the nose angle and my throws are going much farther. I have birdied 2 holes on my local course that prior to TechDisc practice, I was always happy to get a par. Practice, Practice, Practice. I have a lot more work to do but am excited by the little progress I have seen so far. Thanks Josh and team..

Great vid! Thanks

Grip was the key for me. I tried a bunch of stuff, and finally realized that my wrist would never bend far enough to go nose down with my grip.

Just recorded my updated form yesterday gotta check my angle.

thank you. good to know!

I got it so engrained in my head to “not roll the wrist” I think that really holds me back

Perfect video for my arch enemy. Nose up issues. 😂

Some pros seem to put there thumbs across the flight plate such that it looks like the palm is almost on top of the disc. I’m that grip, it seems that they are not pinching the thumb and index as mashing the flight plate in (distorting the flight plate. I think @seabass22 had a video comparing it to shooting a quarter across a table. I would be curious to see the video on thumb position relative to spin and speed rates combined with nose angle effects. I would also like to see a forehand nose angle video too. Thank you for the videos!

I worked for 2 years to solve my nose angle issues. Pour the coffee didn't work; in fact it made it worse. Then one day I decided to really focus on my wrist hinge (ala Scott Stokely), not because of nose angle but just because I wanted to get better snap on the disc, and suddenly I was throwing at the correct angle. Pour the Coffee was literally causing my wrist to hinge at an angle and was forcing the nose up. Maybe I'm built a little different, but it made me believe that nose angle is a symptom of something else, and pour the coffee was the equivalent of taking medicine for a fever instead of treating the infection.

I think that there's a balance to nose down as well. If I flex my wrist down to the maximum tilt I can't keep it there and my wrist ends up popping slightly up. I changed recently to flex the wrist down slightly less where there was no exertion and my flight started looking better/more consistent.

Worked on this today. Supinating my arm seemed to cause more anhyzer releases for me. More work to do

I have found leading with the elbow helps me keep the disc nose down. At least for my throw.

Okay, I think this video helped me a lot, I’ll head to the field tomorrow. Now how do I get more spin? I can barely turn a diamond over with a backhand

To throw nose-down, rather than pushing the nose down, I sometimes lift the back of the disc with my fingers as I release it. Mostly on putts, but I've thrown some great drives doing this also. Give it a try please.

I have an extremely hard time throwing nose down without it being hyzer. Any advice on how to throw flat or anhyzer nose down?

So Josh I find that I refer disc golf back to martial arts a lot and when you talk about doing shadow swings it's very similar to shadow boxing. When you talk about going slow I would like to point out that much like doing martial arts. Cottas you would do this dynamically you would do it slowly intentionally training your muscles to get into those positions. And yes that means that it feels like a rigid movement at the time. But because you do that so many times, like if you did 100 reps of shadow swings dynamically when you relax and you go to throw your fast twitch muscles are what you're actually training and so all of a sudden you find that you can do this during the off seasons. I live in Michigan which is snowy right? So I'm not always able to get out on the course, but I make it a point to do at least 20 or 30, sometimes 100 if I can manage it on a day off dynamic throws in order to help myself improve. And just this summer alone I noticed an increase of about 60 to 70 ft just because of that. So I encourage people to take their time videotape themselves. Make sure they're getting into the position they want. Start at your feet and work your way up that way. You know you get it right and I guarantee everyone will see progress, but I would love to know your opinion specifically on dynamic shadow swings?

What is needed in this discussion of angle of attack is slow motion video of "nose down" actually flying better than a neutral angle of attack. Tech Disc is a great tool, but I am very skeptical that what is being called nose down = a negative angle of attack and not roll angle instead. Nose up is a common problem for sure, and I believe what people are getting from videos like these is how to reduce nose up angles and get closer to a level release, which is a great benefit and can add big distance. Having the disc be anything other than completely parallel with the pitch angle is problematic and will increase drag substantially. Imagine this: You are driving in a car going 60mph you have a disc on a pivoting fixture that only allows positive or negative pitch (nose down, level and nose up) You stick this fixture out the window and you start with the disc perfectly level (and parallel with the cars trajectory through the air) this is optimal. If you move the nose up even 1 degree, the disc will want to go up and if it is not allowed to, there will be a lot of drag. The same is true for nose down. A negative angle will make the disc want to go towards the ground. A disc is also a wing, so the exception to all of this is that in level flight, most discs create lift, and this can result in a disc gaining a little altitude while also have a neutral angle of attack. Disc spin adds gyroscopic stability, but a non spinning disc has the same wing shape and generation of lift, etc. I contend that ANY level throw that gains altitude after release has a zero or a positive angle of attack. Any throw that loses altitude immediately after release has a nose down, negative angle. I will be very interested if these concepts can be proven wrong with something other than the Tech Disc. Anyone work at a wind tunnel?

DAKOTA WINS!!! Man of the people. Josh, You didn't move your off arm during Saturday night fever; Flawless victory. Mikey, You ever notice how hilarious Josh is at 1/4 speed? Don't take my word for it

you can throw nose down at a throw of 45 degrees up in the sky, if the throwing line is going down and the disc angle of release is tilted down at release, actually try this at a hill side and a net with the data disc, it will show nose down even then -2 deg so the high or low has nothing to do with the nose angle, nose down is important... great video 👍

How do you throw up into the air and nose down? If you can't go from low to high how else do you throw it up? Love the videos!

Having a tennis teaching background, it seems logical that you (better than most) should help us find that exact "hit/release" point in our throw. Finding the same position where the disc releases in your throw is more important than any other factor I can see. Pouring the tee doesn't matter if you constantly release late or early. Finding that exact hit/release point in the throw must come before everything, correct? Seeing a top angle looking down at top players as they release the disc is helpful. Is it before the plant foot, on the plant foot, or after the plant foot? Gannon B talks about the top of the disc facing your chest as you set your plant foot. Think Proctor. I find this OK, but it is hard to sync constantly with touch shots. I guess I just don't see how you can do this drill before completely understanding the release point/hit. Sorry if you covered that and I missed it. Keep up the excellent work. P.S. Have you considered breaking out the 70's coaching shorts? That would be epic!

Video on how to avoid throwing nose up, but also giving the disc height?

Great video! I learned a lot, but i dont understand the wrist part. The disc is released when the wrist unfurls so it seems like the nose should be down when the wrist is unfurling. Why do we care about the nose angle with the wrist still curled?

Should the forearm be supinate or pronated. I threw forearm very pronated for years to keep the disc below the elbow but recently started experimenting with supination and felt an improvement with release consistency and disc flight.

How does the techdisc measure nose angle? Is it relative to the ground or the launch angle?

Anyone with ideas to help? I can throw a forehand 5 speed over 300 but can’t backhand a driver even 300. It’s clearly not a speed issue and maybe a form issue, but I believe I just don’t own the proper discs (4 total). Any suggestions for a long distance disc that wants to stay straight on a backhand?

Another good thing is to squeeze your thumb towards your index finger (while pressing down enough on the disc to keep the thumb from actually moving). If you look at the backswing of Simon's slow-mo form, you can see his hand is down in a manner that is pretty unnatural for people, but it happens automatically for me if I focus on the thumb pressure. For ultra-elite distance, throw the disc flat but give it the nose-down angle relative to its trajectory by pumping with your legs to give the disc an upward trajectory while travelling flat (like Kristian Kuoksa). This seems completely impossible for me to do though, so I stick with the thumb pressure.

Question: at 3:50 you talk about un furling your wrist as a negative thing when it comes to nose angle. Which I understand. What I don’t understand is aren’t you losing potential power by not unfurling your wrist at the end of the throw? Wouldn’t that cause less “Snap” on the disc? And over all less of a whip like feeling?

Might've been good to point out that nose down is relative to the trajectory, that is to say if im throwing a level throw my arm and disc move level but the angle of attack is down by 4 degrees.

I can get the nose down stand still but can’t get it down with an x step. Tried all the tricks. What can i do?

Retired guy recently taking up Disc Golf: I had no idea throwing downward. Perhaps that's why I've had so many lofted discs getting lost in the woods. I had "thought" throwing "up" at an angle, (like a baseball), would get me longer distance. Thank you as always, sharing your passion, your expertise, for the "new kids on the block". 😊. Stay Blessed. 👍

What distance improvement did Dakota get by throwing nose down but with the same arm speed?

One quick question. I didn't see if it was already asked. But how is it possible to throw nose down but give it the height the pros do to go super far if we are throwing flat and not disco. I've gotten consistent ish throwing around 330 and my whole flight is less then 15ft in the air the whole way on a flat field. But the pros look like they are launching it 40+ feet in the air of height to go 600. Are they still nose down?

Awesome! I just got my tech disc to work on nose angle and spin. Will you be making a spin video? I can’t get my spin over 1100rpm my average is just at a 1000. I also don’t get any snap.

Is nose down also better for sidearms? I assume yes. How do we achieve that?

For those of us not ready to buy a Techdisc what flight characteristic is the best evidence of a improper nose angle?

When I learned how to throw nose down I gained about 50 feet of distance but now if I try to throw anhyzer or flat I have no control because I am trying to keep the nose down and it feels so unnatural. so now I can only throw on hyzer RIP.

Glad you didn't use 4:28 as the thumbnail.

The relevant nose angle, in terms of what the disc does, is the angle of attack to the air. The disc doesn't care much about its angle to the ground. So when you throw completely flat, but hard enough to generate lift, there's a negative angle of attack even though the disc is flat in relation to the ground. The disc is horizontal but traveling upwards, so it acts as though the nose is down. So the 'correct' nose angle is going to vary greatly depending on headwinds, glidey versus non-glidey discs (which have different amounts of lift), whether you're throwing a high or low line, and much else.

one hack is to throw a dyed disc where the top is a different color from the bottom so you can easily tell by what color you're seeing

Like so many, I'm still struggling to understand how to throw upwards AND nose down at the same time. It's mind boggling. Any good ways to simplify and explain it to us?

This is kind of a weird question, but: When I look at top-down slow motion footage of throws, the disc doesn’t actually leave the hand in the direction the nose is pointing. I fully believe that what you show fixes nose angle issues, but, uh, why?

I am so confused! I just got a tech disc and my numbers look good but my nose angle is garbage. I spent 2 hours this morning throwing again and again and again into a new changing the smallest little things at 50% power to only even throw down (-.7) once. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong! I'm turning the key, pouring the coffee but I don't know... Any more tips?

What’s that gorgeous blue disc in your hand?

I could be completely wrong but It seems a little miss leading to explain showing the release with the arm extended when the disc actually comes out before you reach full extension

Okay all great info but now we need all this information to go with forehand’s please

video on tail angle please.

You insinuated that a player with a low reach-back will throw nose-up, and a player with a high reach-back will throw nose-down. Can a disc be thrown up hill while also being nose-down?

Isn’t the disc actually to be facing down when leaving more in front of you. The position you show is like 11 but should it not be 9 wise?

So how do you throw for greater height while keeping it nose down without doing disco?

Why the room bare and why the sledgehammer? Also great vid

But what did nose down add to his distance?

A little help: I was trying this in field work today, but whenever I “poured the coffee”, my discs would hyzer sharply like they were Tilts.

How does Kyle klein get the nose down when he reaches down so low?

its interesting because Heimberg always looked to me like he was a reverse disco thrower, maybe its just a trick of the eye at full speed

My question is: Where is the actual 'nose' during the release point? I don't think it's as simple as straight in front of you, and pouring the coffee is only one factor. Interesting that you don't really go into detail about supination and release point. I see you have the chapter but you don't actually show much, if anything about it. You had a video about a year ago talking about it a little bit, and I remember it helped me a lot. I think more info about finding an individuals true release point/leading edge, and how wrist supination and pouring the coffee effect the plane of release not only for Z axis(nose angles) but also X axis (hyzer angles).

I’ve been needing to fix my nose for a while

So.. How I see tha data from this video and how it makes sense to me: Nose down cant be on 2 direction so 1 direction is either noseup-nosedown or hyzer-anhyzer. It seems like pouring the coffee is increasing hyzer and supinating wrist is increasing nosedown. Supinating wrist affects to 9 o’clock in powerpocket, pouring the coffee 6 o’clock in powerpocket.

The same tips I've gotten from EVERYWHERE throughout the years. Nothing in this video works for me. F*ck that's annoying. However, if you have the same issue as I have, it's probably the mobility of your wrist/elbow AND there is a way to throw nose down or at least way closer to nose down than I threw before. It's holding the disc/wrist sideways (top of the disc pointing at my chest) during the reachback and turning it during the throwing motion. This lets my body get into the proper nose angle position for a brief moment just before releasing the disc. I expected more from this video after the title tbh. EDIT. I guess it's sort of mentioned that you only have to be in this position at the hit point but I've seen this tip before, doesn't f'n work.

dang slim.

thx for this video but at 4:54 the nose is down, draw a line and you see, both are actually. 😝☺️

4:32 risky gesture

I've never wanted to double-subscribe to a channel before, but..

I see a lot of beginners throwing this into the ground with that advice which may be correct for some I don't know but teaching off some Newfound tech device to the masses seems a bit sketchy

Every time I try "pouring the pot" it just makes my nose angle worse.

Not talking about launch angle is crazy