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Aziz Al-Yami

Aziz Al-Yami

4 жыл бұрын

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@yougotkicked
@yougotkicked 4 жыл бұрын
Man, I wish hax could make videos like this for every topic. Not just melee stuff. Like, I want to learn the optimal way to do my taxes from this guy.
@cheef825
@cheef825 4 жыл бұрын
20XX&R block
@jik9779
@jik9779 4 жыл бұрын
double shine wavedash jumpcancel tax fraud
@jakezepeda1267
@jakezepeda1267 4 жыл бұрын
2020 he's gonna come out with the Taxx.
@GoldSnacks
@GoldSnacks 4 жыл бұрын
Hax seems to have great potential for this sorta thing, he could find a way do anything optimally
@GoldSnacks
@GoldSnacks 4 жыл бұрын
@@cheef825 lol
@Rukir
@Rukir 4 жыл бұрын
More importantly, this discovery is HUGE for the Post-Game Johns Metagame
@djpremier333
@djpremier333 4 жыл бұрын
Twitter will make millions
@jakezepeda1267
@jakezepeda1267 4 жыл бұрын
The true Melee
@TrailerLuigi
@TrailerLuigi 4 жыл бұрын
hey buddy
@lordsiis8201
@lordsiis8201 4 жыл бұрын
“Dude, of course i lost, the fucking polling drift is making me drop combos!” -John
@goodiesohhi
@goodiesohhi 4 жыл бұрын
Dude. I only lost because HAL forgot to make sure the visual buffer is synched! That's why I missed the tech! Obviously.
@yephez
@yephez 4 жыл бұрын
the year is 2019
@Matanumi
@Matanumi 4 жыл бұрын
The year is 20XX.....also known as 2020
@mxcascade
@mxcascade 4 жыл бұрын
Posted 9 hours ago fuk yea
@poopheadtwenty-seven540
@poopheadtwenty-seven540 4 жыл бұрын
...everyone uses CRTs with broken-back levels of dedication.
@luiss428
@luiss428 4 жыл бұрын
@@Matanumi was this a megaman reference or am i overlooking this
@life64
@life64 4 жыл бұрын
666
@daladex
@daladex 4 жыл бұрын
You weren't lying when you said this could change Melee.
@julienheller2317
@julienheller2317 4 жыл бұрын
I mean he's literally modifying Melee
@BinkysCorner
@BinkysCorner 4 жыл бұрын
TL;DR Melee's original code has built in 20.83 MS of latency due to oversights from the development team. Faster Melee (what we use on Netplay) is a re-coding that has removed that internal latency, and the removal of this 20.83 MS can balance out the additional latency received from LCD monitors to replicate the pace and latency of CRT melee.
@jumpman1233
@jumpman1233 4 жыл бұрын
^ agreed, well done sir
@raygun2180
@raygun2180 4 жыл бұрын
Well done but also probably contributes to lower watch time which Hax doesn’t deserve 🥺
@ShankMods
@ShankMods 4 жыл бұрын
Phenomenal video, Hax. I've long been a supporter of CRT's for competitive melee, and strongly against monitors for competitive use. Up until now, the tech just hasn't been ready, and the experience has always suffered. This is what melee has needed to finally make LCD's viable. I completely agree with every point you made in this video, and I will do my part to help educate the masses.
@kratos4464
@kratos4464 4 жыл бұрын
100% agree... also love your vids man. Ive been planning a wii crt (CRWii) fusion but using a lcd would make a portable setup so much more convenient.
@rosetintedtankergoggles897
@rosetintedtankergoggles897 4 жыл бұрын
Hey your the guy with the awesome Wii portables ;)
@Splozy
@Splozy 4 жыл бұрын
LCDs have been viable for a while lol
@ShankMods
@ShankMods 4 жыл бұрын
@@Splozy not for competitive melee. The panels still have latency compared to CRT. Panel latency is a limitation of the current tech.
@ShankMods
@ShankMods 4 жыл бұрын
@@rosetintedtankergoggles897 thanks, appreciate it :)
@vapemomsdotcom
@vapemomsdotcom 4 жыл бұрын
I'd die laughing if I saw someone johning on Twitter about too little latency lol
@SaltyVest
@SaltyVest 4 жыл бұрын
"What the fuck you just touch the button and it goes" lmao
@benzed37
@benzed37 4 жыл бұрын
I've heard about people who practice on monitors for smash/speedrunning and are thrown off by crt when they need to play on it. It all depends on what you're accustomed to.
@icecoldnut5152
@icecoldnut5152 4 жыл бұрын
"he had port priority so the game was already over, the latency was so low the entire match of inputs already registered fuck this"
@ShiningSta18486
@ShiningSta18486 3 жыл бұрын
me lol
@na-ve9cp
@na-ve9cp 4 жыл бұрын
10:35 of course it's a blue fox shining a pink falcon as the example
@WeHaveSomuchHeart
@WeHaveSomuchHeart 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Your wrists were sacrificed in exchange for knowledge.
@ezzzzie
@ezzzzie 4 жыл бұрын
does this mean faster melee was a plant for Big Monitor?
@fallensmemesdump
@fallensmemesdump 4 жыл бұрын
precisely
@zakbarbezat
@zakbarbezat 4 жыл бұрын
@@fallensmemesdump wtf the world's jank plug plays melee? let's get itttttt
@Snail678
@Snail678 4 жыл бұрын
not really. Faster Melee was developed entirely with netplay/dolphin in mind. Of course now, with that technology its not a big step for lans to switch to monitors though
@GoldSnacks
@GoldSnacks 4 жыл бұрын
"BIG MONITOR" 💀
@luigit0ilet
@luigit0ilet 4 жыл бұрын
i wish hax narrated a movie about my life
@Reminiscable
@Reminiscable 4 жыл бұрын
I hope he gets an episode in METAGAME.
@Faulheit
@Faulheit 4 жыл бұрын
hax saving melee one video at a time
@rumfordc
@rumfordc 4 жыл бұрын
hax you've always been my favorite player but I think you are also one of my favorite content creators now. the scope of your videos and their explanations are seriously impressive. you bring so much to the melee community and I just want to say I appreciate it.
@snocoldman
@snocoldman 4 жыл бұрын
I kinda like how all your videos feel like a lecture for a university melee class. I'd take that class in a second.
@Odysseus1
@Odysseus1 4 жыл бұрын
3:15 my mind just blew. I never knew how exactly these monitors works and why everytime I tried to record a CRT it has those scan lines, really interesting
@izzylife147
@izzylife147 4 жыл бұрын
I needa study for my midterm lmao
@ZXW321GO
@ZXW321GO 4 жыл бұрын
word
@donk3618
@donk3618 4 жыл бұрын
Pft, studying
@bob-km4uq
@bob-km4uq 4 жыл бұрын
Fuck school this is a real education
@nahometesfay1112
@nahometesfay1112 3 жыл бұрын
Mood
@marcusjohns
@marcusjohns 4 жыл бұрын
Tradition at 3:15 was sick
@butterflybass
@butterflybass 4 жыл бұрын
just dweened all over myself
@YourDaddysBelt69
@YourDaddysBelt69 3 жыл бұрын
I wish more informational videos were more like this: Only Narrator, visuals, and no distracting background noise or music in the background. Good stuff Hax. I prefer this style far more.
@the_prophecyyy
@the_prophecyyy 4 жыл бұрын
thank god there are smart people in the melee community. also can't wait for my boxx!
@Project1182
@Project1182 4 жыл бұрын
hax's hand getting fucked up was the best thing to happen to melee
@SaiyanX5
@SaiyanX5 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I just watched a lecture from a professor or something
@Puffzilla777
@Puffzilla777 4 жыл бұрын
Mydickisholy lmao I wish my professors were this good
@SaiyanX5
@SaiyanX5 4 жыл бұрын
@@Puffzilla777 bruh deadass
@baconspaceman4094
@baconspaceman4094 4 жыл бұрын
Already studying for Prof. Hax's Melee Midterm
@firehearto087
@firehearto087 4 жыл бұрын
Community: *Pulls a pro gamer move by using codes on CRT*
@14skhan1
@14skhan1 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't understand anything, but I agree anyway
@alejandronavarro113
@alejandronavarro113 4 жыл бұрын
Lol horrible
@salj.5459
@salj.5459 4 жыл бұрын
I hope you don't apply that same apathy and ignorance to your political views.
@Devyn_LV
@Devyn_LV 4 жыл бұрын
@@salj.5459 Most Americans do if you are talking about America. Study politics and economics can be boring but it is necessary to consider voting. My political views have completely flipped in the last few years because of this
@salj.5459
@salj.5459 4 жыл бұрын
Devyn Tucker What are your views now? And yes, I'm aware that the political state of America is absolute shit due to uneducated voters and corrupt politicians... and also apathy from young voters.
@Devyn_LV
@Devyn_LV 4 жыл бұрын
@@salj.5459 A little background: I'm a veteran of 6 years (Guard) so I've always been a constitutionalist even though I was a liberal. After listening to people and researching on my own, the best way I can explain my views is I'm now "Conservitarian" I am not traditional in my views however, but I am liberal when it comes to social stuff like gays getting married or if somebody wants to be transgender. I just don't like it when it's kids being chemically castrated. I believe in freedom of religion even if it's a religion I don't like. Basically the government just needs to stay out of everyone's lives more than they are now.
@kkokay4
@kkokay4 4 жыл бұрын
As a netplay warrior I always wondered why I seemed to miss more inputs on crt. Now I know why
@jakezepeda1267
@jakezepeda1267 4 жыл бұрын
I went to my first tourney last saturday and I thought it felt weird because I just sucked so much.
@AwesomepianoTURTLES
@AwesomepianoTURTLES 4 жыл бұрын
Jake Zepeda You do really suck (and so do I and most people here) but your muscle memory would be off and you probably will see better results by practicing on a CRT
@jakezepeda1267
@jakezepeda1267 4 жыл бұрын
@@AwesomepianoTURTLES lol, "really suck" is an understatement. I'm bad on emulator but helpless on a CRT.
@MultiAsdasad
@MultiAsdasad 3 жыл бұрын
Why would be netplay more consistent than CRT? If im not mistaken in netplay we suffer from the adapter polling rate not being synced as good as in a console setup, even tho we can now overclock it to 1000hz with Arte’s guide, he explains that at the end of it: twitter.com/SSBM_Arte/status/1313616578571837440
@Micha-Hil
@Micha-Hil 2 жыл бұрын
3:15 WTF WAS THIS TRANSITION
@hannahb3201
@hannahb3201 4 жыл бұрын
Been waitin all day for this
@naught_
@naught_ 4 жыл бұрын
Playing melee on FM dolphin build with a 240hz monitor is optimal. Never had someone over for melee who didn't think it felt smoother than a CRT
@saintsigma
@saintsigma 4 жыл бұрын
better mic and better emg intro poggers
@WhatNowMaxTVchannel
@WhatNowMaxTVchannel 4 жыл бұрын
tl;dr Faster Melee figured out how to get rid of 20.83 ms of lag on the base game which you can use to make LCDs as lagless as CRTs
@bailujen8052
@bailujen8052 Жыл бұрын
Where is the guide?
@Zetsuuga
@Zetsuuga 4 жыл бұрын
The change is inevitable, it's just a matter of when the technology and culture around the game are ready for it. The year is 20XX... CRTs are nowhere to be found. Optimal Melee is played strictly on monitors.
@WePreferTheAir
@WePreferTheAir 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Aziz. You're the VSauce of Melee. Could you expand on the issues caused by codes that remove "too much" latency? What are the negatives to having the lowest latency possible?
@AIR8022
@AIR8022 4 жыл бұрын
From what i understand, the community is abhorrently against changing from the latency they've played on for ~18 years. If they change it, people who have acclimated to the previous latency will have to re-acclimate, which they don't want to do.
@neoteo7478
@neoteo7478 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Hax! But I need to know: Why do you find 20ms LESS latency a bad thing long-term for Melee? Does that much time difference negatively change how the game feels and responds for players at your tourney?
@smack007
@smack007 4 жыл бұрын
I'd guess it's just based on a relative difference from what we're used to. Just like latency added, latency removed changes timings that we are used to. The goal isn't to make it as fast as possible, it's to make it just like the better CRTs. FM was so successful because it's both the reduced internal latency and the added network latency that makes it feel like LAN.
@jsoncpark
@jsoncpark 4 жыл бұрын
Probably a consistency issue. At the top competitive level, I assume all setups (vanilla CRT and otherwise) should ideally behave the same. However I'm skeptical of whether even top players would be able to discern a ~5ms difference.
@EvilApple567
@EvilApple567 4 жыл бұрын
@@jsoncpark It's less than a third of a frame. I can't imagine anyone honestly being able to discern a difference not based on placebo.
@FMasic
@FMasic 4 жыл бұрын
@@EvilApple567 the difference doesn't need to be discernible to have a statistical effect - e.g. see meleeitonme.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/powershield.png
@trafalgarla
@trafalgarla 4 жыл бұрын
@@jsoncpark They already don't considering they don't notice the polling drift. It's pretty crap that people are basing their arguments about latency off of anecdotes of players "feeling" the lag. Even more crap is how people don't understand that your latency will change any time you change setups and can even change on the same setup. You're never going to get consistent latency so may as well just reduce it as much as possible.
@yolo-ed9dk
@yolo-ed9dk 4 жыл бұрын
hax this is really top tier content you have done so much for the scene and i really appreciate your work ethic. Please continue doing this kind of stuff
@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932
@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 4 жыл бұрын
I always thought the problem was the TV's own conversion of the signal; even if a flatscreen has analog inputs, it still has to convert those to digital. I understand that I'm wrong; I just didn't realize.
@Kirivon
@Kirivon 4 жыл бұрын
You're on the right track. The problem is what the TV does with the signal before it displays it, which is referred to as input lag. This input lag applies regardless if the source is digital or analog. Hax, as usual, misses the forest for the trees and fixates on millisecond display transition time deltas and technical differences in how the image is painted when input lag can introduce up to around 100ms of delay. TV's usually employ image processing to improve the quality of the displayed image. This processing pipeline adds additional delay and is separate from how long it takes the display to physically paint the frame. This is why fighting game tournaments use small PC monitors, which do not perform any additional image processing. There is a display database (displaylag.com/display-database/) that lists the measured input lag of popular displays, since this is not something the manufacturers publish. The displays used at major tournaments, such as the BenQ mentioned here, have less than 1 frame (16ms) of input lag. Ultimately, the actual delay is irrelevant so long as it's within reason, because what matters in a competitive setting is the reaction time delta between competitors. So long as everyone's using similar displays with
@emiliogarcia5715
@emiliogarcia5715 4 жыл бұрын
This will ensure melee’s future after the apocalypse.
@Dullfin
@Dullfin 4 жыл бұрын
Monitor Melee is a Must!
@plasia
@plasia 4 жыл бұрын
Those Wii2HDMI converters aren't where you want to be looking, the picture is crap and has gone through multiple unneeded conversions. Wii2HDMI conversion process: Digital Signal > Analog Signal > Digital Signal > HDMI Conversion > TV (according to badassconsoles). You want a solution based on gcvideo. For Gamecube you have Carby and EON, for Wii you have WiiDual. Otherwise, your analysis is spot on except possibly the BenQ RL2455HM vs CRT. I am not doubting that particular comparison, but it seems unfair that a 4 year old monitor has been used, there are other newer lagless monitors that should have been compared. I understand this was from a secondary source, it's a very minor nitpick. Thanks for your work.
@spagootest2185
@spagootest2185 4 жыл бұрын
The picture is 480p anyway, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
@plasia
@plasia 4 жыл бұрын
@@spagootest2185 if you've seen both on a high quality display you wouldn't be saying that. There's a world of difference.
@leodexe
@leodexe 2 жыл бұрын
Wii2HDMI is still far cheaper and a straightforward solution. Just buy a Sewell or Neoya brand which have the best performance with little delay according to Fizzi's own article. Obviously Wiidual and GCvideo are the superior choice but not everybody can afford over 100$ on those mods. This is where Wii2HDMI becomes handy for those with low budget.
@PeeedaPan
@PeeedaPan 4 жыл бұрын
this is the step to be taken in the community if we want melee to continue being played alongside other FGC tournaments. Youngn's don't own CRTs so it is harder for them to get into melee. CRTs are also a pain in the ass to transport.
@Jayram2K
@Jayram2K 4 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work Hax, can't wait to see how far this goes.
@alphabett66
@alphabett66 4 жыл бұрын
8:28 I just realised this is a picture of a dog. I always thought it was some sort of Nintendo creature.
@Luckydeath973
@Luckydeath973 4 жыл бұрын
God bless Kadano, what a mad man
@Izquierda
@Izquierda Жыл бұрын
In the beginning where you compare the ways that CRT and LCD draw pictures it can be added that the fact that much of the picture is briefly black on a CRT happily results in moving objects and panning scenes being perceived by our eyes as much clearer, while the "sample-and-hold" method of LCD (as well as OLED) results in motion appearing blurry to our eyes (even if pixel response is near-instant), and this is known as persistence or eye-tracking blur (as opposed to "motion blur" from slow pixel response). Persistence blur on flat panels can be alleviated using techniques like black frame insertion. Luckily in the case of Melee there is not a lot of screen scrolling, but some players used to the motion clarity of CRT may still feel that moving objects appear blurry as a separate issue from input latency.
@EvilApple567
@EvilApple567 4 жыл бұрын
The PD is definitely something that should be standardized as long as we're already using codes like UCF (which is hopefully forever). From my understanding it would help the consistency of frame perfect inputs like multishines and pivots, and since the game is definitely headed in that direction there's no reason we shouldn't address that issue. I'm not as interested on the LCD issue honestly (because my scene has never had issues with CRTs), but anything to make the game more accessible and more convenient to organize and manage events is good in my book should it not disturb anything vital to the game.
@MaxCoplan
@MaxCoplan 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, what an incredible, technical, and professional video. Well done!
@sufir3212
@sufir3212 3 жыл бұрын
summit threw away a crt, i thought that was pretty cool
@MuJoeTheMean
@MuJoeTheMean 4 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate on what you mean when you say the VB + PD fix would reduce the delay by too much? Do you just mean that you think the goal should be to make the experience of playing on an LCD identical to playing vanilla melee on a CRT by matching the delay times of each, or is there some reason that minimizing the delay too much would negatively affect the game?
@on_certainty
@on_certainty 4 жыл бұрын
glad kadano gave you the info needed for this video. this is like a more digestable version of the video he did a number of years ago
@ObamaHabib
@ObamaHabib 4 жыл бұрын
may the community appreciate yalls effort and relief all the tos of tons of struggle
@cherryb0ng
@cherryb0ng 4 жыл бұрын
I love you man. Your essay research approach to gaming is beautiful
@Lil_Homie
@Lil_Homie 4 жыл бұрын
Hax is actually the best Melee content creator of all time
@papasprogress2249
@papasprogress2249 4 жыл бұрын
Hax always out here dropping the hot knowledge
@kfoley275
@kfoley275 4 жыл бұрын
Players hate him! Find out how this man singlehandedly makes CRTs worthless with 1 easy step!
@johntheory2530
@johntheory2530 4 жыл бұрын
Hax$ you make the greatest and most informational videos I have ever seen. Keep up the work and more will follow my man.
@SaltyVest
@SaltyVest 4 жыл бұрын
The more a device utilises light projection as a method of data manipulation (be it decoding or transferral), the less latency will be generated by the given device as light moves at the fastest possible speed. The rate at which current moves through copper is likewise capped, although this cap is harder to reach in standard electrical devices for a myriad of reasons. Keeping in mind I'm speaking in gamer talk, it should be noted that the lack of lag in a CRT tv is caused by the "build order" or the decoding in data, which "rushes" the step in which the data is turned into light, but at the cost of having a low ceiling for fidelity (which is why the big switch to lcd happened in general). I could go into more depth but know that a smaller signal path = a smaller amount of delay and it is perceivable that smaller screens could lead to lower delay. Additionally you could cut open an already small screen and see if there's a bunch of excess wires you can shorten and go full mad max about it. This miniaturisation is funnily enough why graphics cards are getting smaller again fun fact lol.
@Whomobile
@Whomobile 4 жыл бұрын
2:36 whoa that's the same monitor I'm watching this video with, trippy.
@tymtrppr3
@tymtrppr3 4 жыл бұрын
My dude MONEY fixing this broken ass game almost 2 decades later
@Cruptile
@Cruptile 4 жыл бұрын
Console's already "think in digital" the built in DAC turns it into analog but these wii adapters turn that analog back into digital "creating" this redundant latency. In the case of the gc, it already has a digital output. What about the wii dual mod that adds a digital out straight into the wii (in that case the monitor would need to support 480p through hdmi (unsure if 480i is rated for hdmi)). The wiihdmi adapter mentioned does upscale some of the time to 720p then the monitor upscales to it's native resolution, lag from two upscales and dedacing sounds harsher than one upscale from a digital port. Would be even worse if it was 480i as then the display or processor would need to de-interlace.
@lrdalucardart
@lrdalucardart 4 жыл бұрын
Even thought I dont even play melee, I still find all this quite interesting!
@Knuxsega
@Knuxsega 4 жыл бұрын
Been thinking running house tournaments again and going full-LCD would be a godsend for me since it's mostly a oneman team - going to try it out next time. Considering how Melee players despise change, thanks a ton for the breakdown and the bold suggestions:)
@AMGelardi1
@AMGelardi1 4 жыл бұрын
18:11 i know you said that these codes could be easily be added to ucf memory cards but my question is how exactly do you go about doing that simply just for personal use?
@cannonh7915
@cannonh7915 4 жыл бұрын
This is edited really well 👍
@thedangerroom7747
@thedangerroom7747 4 жыл бұрын
hax and his melee shenanigans is the perfect example of what a slippery slope looks like
@fraudfish
@fraudfish 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing video hax, looking forward to updates
@justinlewis811
@justinlewis811 4 жыл бұрын
Now do: "how to host SSBM tournaments without the SMELL"
@DreamcastSoup
@DreamcastSoup 4 жыл бұрын
How to educate a few million people to properly clean
@Maho_Stitch
@Maho_Stitch 3 жыл бұрын
So I can fire up melee on a gaming monitor, and this code will remove any input lag?
@MrHadoukenful
@MrHadoukenful 4 жыл бұрын
Even rewatching these videos are just as good as the first time
@OffTheDome001
@OffTheDome001 4 жыл бұрын
I think I'm the Modern Melee world, we need to do our best to standardize play. I see comments on Twitter about how we should just stick to CRT cuz it's cheaper and more accessible, but at the same time there are people everywhere are still using different versions of melee, ucf on, ucf off, EON, monitor, adjusted latency, and whatever else. This video highlights that there are solutions to optimize the base game and I think that something everyone should think about the gameplay above all else, not just about how they don't want to give up CRTs.
@seeincn4044
@seeincn4044 3 жыл бұрын
Question: is nintendont required? Cuz 20xx is just a memory card and much less controversial. I want to use this but it raises questions like: if you rip melee from a disc does that mean you now are allowed to use both at once with others? If so that would basically mean you’re distributing (or letting people rent) a pirated copy right? This just feels a bit iffy to me. A lot more iffy than netplay I’m sure of that. At least 2 people have their own copy then. Not saying I care too much morally unless they release it in HD just saying I don’t want to get swatted by Nintendo in a battle I can’t win.
@VanillaMidgetSSBM
@VanillaMidgetSSBM 4 жыл бұрын
So here's a really good question: If LCD monitors Blended Scanlines are what cause the issue, why hasn't anyone made a monitor that can disable the scanline blending? Would that even be practical in a gaming market? This could help retro games that were not made with modern LCD's in mind, as well as games that need the more snappy response window. It seems that removing the gradient would improve the window where your brain notices a difference, right?
@walf6978
@walf6978 4 жыл бұрын
It's fucking amazing how players optimizing an 18 year old game has led to videos like this. Melee is truly on another fucking level.
@BunniBuu
@BunniBuu 4 жыл бұрын
I'm a little confused at one part... what do you mean by fixing the visual buffer + polling drift it fixes it TOO MUCH? Is there ever a time when you could reduce visual buffering by TOO MUCH and it's a NEGATIVE thing? Does that means it would be harder to process or that it will misrepresent inputs or??? It will be TOO superior and not properly reflect how the game is at its core?
@blazeneo7663
@blazeneo7663 4 жыл бұрын
Its crazy how video games make a group of people figure out how TV's work lol
@Axzle_MC
@Axzle_MC 2 жыл бұрын
I’m honestly all for this route tbh. I see the pros and cons, but I am inherently more aligned with this outcome for the future of this game in the long run if we decide in the end to go this direction.
@benleman6033
@benleman6033 4 жыл бұрын
Salem: years of research
@ladian5475
@ladian5475 4 жыл бұрын
Incredible dedication shown from these people, kudos
@nikmarshall2989
@nikmarshall2989 4 жыл бұрын
Super interesting. I had no idea how any of this worked, and I got to learn about it through it's application to the greatest competitive game.
@GustoFormula
@GustoFormula 4 жыл бұрын
I was randomly at Nebulous in March 2018 because of a school trip to NY all the way from Norway. I never knew I was at one of the last ones ever until now. Fuck.
@R1zzo
@R1zzo 4 жыл бұрын
Incredibly thorough. Good job, Hax
@yannispiette6372
@yannispiette6372 4 жыл бұрын
Again great vid, clear and precise
@lyingriotman2220
@lyingriotman2220 2 жыл бұрын
You included instructions for patching the latency on Wii w/Nintendont, but would it also be possible to patch it on GameCube w/Swiss? If so, I haven't found any guides on it.
@Maquox
@Maquox 4 жыл бұрын
Lots of love to you, Hax, the Averroes of Melee.
@RicardoAdams95
@RicardoAdams95 3 жыл бұрын
Yo I just started playing melee more often again because of corona. Is this s a viable alternative? I have a CRT but I will have to get rid of it soon due to moving so I wanna try this. (And what kind of monitor is optimal for this with a homebrewed wii?)
@lecheetoman8608
@lecheetoman8608 4 жыл бұрын
Very good video. Can really see the effort put into it
@somistyy
@somistyy 4 жыл бұрын
Was it n0ne or Fiction that disliked this video?
@Prep5242
@Prep5242 4 жыл бұрын
coulda been gravy
@stevieniccs
@stevieniccs 4 жыл бұрын
logicman would never dislike this
@SwoleTony13
@SwoleTony13 4 жыл бұрын
EON shill hbox
@Zinksk8er
@Zinksk8er 2 жыл бұрын
VB half (12.5ms) + PD is now a thing as of 12/22/21 on slippi 1.9.3! Feels great on monitor 👍.
@bluepeacemaker
@bluepeacemaker 4 жыл бұрын
I think you switched the terms visual buffer and polling drift a couple of times in the video. Am I right?
@AnarchoCatBoyEthan
@AnarchoCatBoyEthan 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, Hax I dunno what to say but I really appreciate you and your input. Amazing video.
@WillFPaul
@WillFPaul 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that running melee on a 120hz monitor and using black frame insertion could greatly improve visual fidelity and how long it takes the player to recognize the new frame.
@Jaziel_Berumen
@Jaziel_Berumen 4 жыл бұрын
Hax is so 20XX with kicking knowledge that I accidentally skipped 10 seconds and didn't even realize it when Hax was explaining some technical info
@The_Mister_E
@The_Mister_E 4 жыл бұрын
Before watching, I'm just gonna guess. A GCvideo solution plugging straight into the Digital Out port of an early to mid aged GameCube. (Thus requiring no Digital to Analog conversion.) And the kinds of monitors every other FGC gamers use because they're already state of the art when it comes to latency. ...Or at least that's how I'd do it. Hell, if you get a GCHD Mk. 2 you get a zero lag component break out for the stream right out of the box.
@The_Mister_E
@The_Mister_E 4 жыл бұрын
Huh. Melee has NTSC timing issues. Who knew! I still think GCvideo solutions should be a part of the modern Melee setup. And if we absolutely have to stick with the Wii (and it's slightly worse color depth), then the Wiidual mod might be attractive!
@Mexican_Spongebob841
@Mexican_Spongebob841 3 жыл бұрын
What about using 480p melee on Monitors ?
@TakumiJoyconBoyz
@TakumiJoyconBoyz 4 жыл бұрын
Hax$ Changing the Melee landscape for the better yet again...
@tastefulthickness4652
@tastefulthickness4652 Жыл бұрын
The info in this video about how lcd monitors refresh images and how it compares to crt is great but I wonder if this video could be considered out of date nowadays as the benq monitor kadano tested was a 60hz monitor and everyone is moving on from 60hz to 144hz being the new standard. I wonder what a 144hz or 240hz monitor would look like slowed down like that clip from halo or if a 240hz monitor was tested however kadano tested the 60hz benq monitor
@greenjello41
@greenjello41 2 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to add in lag to the game? If so VB+PD+lag to equal again to CRT.
@Misgroove
@Misgroove 4 жыл бұрын
Why is hax such a fucking genius
@MyNameIsntRyan
@MyNameIsntRyan 4 жыл бұрын
Good guy Hax. Always three steps ahead trying to save the communities.
@dereklewis4321
@dereklewis4321 4 жыл бұрын
We started hosting S4 tournaments back in its heyday. We were thinking about Melee too along with 64(my personal favorite) but I advised against it because it was just not worth the time and energy to lug around CRTs. The cafe we did it at had one HD wii setup for melee and it was pretty cool.
@OWmofat
@OWmofat 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for this, Brawl didn't kill melee, no evo didn't kill melee, ultimate didn't kill melee. But not having a place to play the game will.
@kennylauderdale_en
@kennylauderdale_en 4 жыл бұрын
Why not just use these codes in combination with a CRT? Wouldn't that allow for the lowest amount of lag possible?
@holyknightthatpwns
@holyknightthatpwns 4 жыл бұрын
The goal isn't necessarily to reduce all lag - it's to reduce lag to the point where it can be smoothly be played. If it can be smoothly played on an LCD monitor, that makes running tournaments cheaper and easier, which should benefit the scene as a whole.
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