total bullet dodge.

Wishing you the best of luck! Lmk if you need additional help.

So kind of you to say :) Glad it helped! Good luck with your negotiation

There is a difference between honesty and oversharing. Very few companies are being honest with their employees. They share information on a need to know basis. Sometimes they know they are laying off their team months before they tell anyone. There are levels to honesty. What is shared with a friend is different than a family member, is different than a stranger. We must be discerning with what we share, how much we share, and with whom we share. I’ve seen too many people think honesty and oversharing are the same thing, leading to outcomes they could have avoided just by saying less. Share what you feel comfortable sharing. Not here to tell you what to do. Just, illuminating what I’ve seen over the years. Companies are not honest. You have every right to be honest. But, people also need to protect themselves.

Congrats!

Glad it helped!

Glad you enjoyed it!

So kind of you to say F Alba -- lmk if you got any other topics you'd like to see us discuss :)

Glad it was helpful!

Glad it was helpful!

glad you enjoyed the video!

glad it was helpful Rodney. Any other topics you'd like to see in future videos?

@@CareerTherapy I have sub'd to your channel... The topic of "what are the most important questions to ask after. An interview" may already be a topic you covered... But if it has not... Please do!

@@rodneyharris5606 Will do! keep an eye out

Sorry to hear about your anxieties around this process. I know how hard it can be. On the plus side, you know your skills are marketable and you have options in the career marketplace. That is awesome! And is something we can come back to for reassurance. Congrats on the offer. Your question is a tough one, and while I can’t tell you exactly what to do, I can make a few observations to help clarify the thinking here. While it might feel nice to have the security blanket of the current job, you’re also seeing the guilt that comes with trying to play both options and not giving your 2 weeks notice. This is akin to someone trying to find a new partner to date before breaking up with their current partner. It complicates things. The difference here is that you don’t owe your company anything. If you juggle the roles and they never find out, no harm no foul. But, the issue is that it is stressing you out and muddying the waters. The new opportunity sounds like a real step up, and the typical rule of thumb is to end thing properly before starting so that you can use your past job as a future reference. My thought would be to put in the 2 weeks notice, start the new role, and then find a coach or therapist to help you manage your anxiety in the new role. That said, it is your decision at the end of the day and I wish you the best of luck with what you decide. Circle back and let me know how it all turns out.

any update on this? @levity90, Curious to know as I'm in this situation as well

@@Phil60421 I ended up taking the new job. I feel bad about leaving the way I did though. And my anxiety is still bad / worse.

that's great! good job navigating the process

@@CareerTherapy plot twist: the perm job upped their offer massively to exceed the pay of the contract (but has bonus potential). Burning the bridge for 80k looks worth it though

That's incredible! @@bla7091 Bravo on winning your negotiation. Keep us posted on what you choose to do.

Thanks, I'm going with the perm job in this instance! It was a bit against the norm I must admit, but the pay difference is so incredibly large that I can afford to burn a bridge to the other employer. Or rather to the recruitment agency, the employer understood. There are exceptions to most rules :)

yep, if you are in an at-will employment state, you can quit at any time for any reason. In that case, you can accept the offer with the pushed out start date and if a better offer comes through, then you can rescind your first offer and take the 2nd before the job starts.

@@CareerTherapy Ok I guess burning bridges is still inevitable in some scenarios like this one, even when we don’t want that lol!

@@CarolyneNaomi if you recommend someone to replace you, it might not be that bad

yep

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How much more is it? If you have already signed the first offer, re-negotiation that quickly is not ideal. You've agreed to the terms and now are coming back with changes when they think things are fine. You might be able to do it, but you also more than likely will put a bad taste in their mouth. If the other offer is not a ton more, and you like the first company more, stick with company 1. If company 2 is better AND has better pay, then you can leave company one and go to company 2. But, of course, what you do is up to you. Let us know what you choose.

I appreciate it.

Making me blush 😊

at the same organization? In that case I would talk to the team that is interviewing you for the new role about the staffing contract, cause there might be some legal/contractual things to keep in mind.

It is important to keep all your irons in the fire until you have signed on the dotted line. If you're waiting to hear back form the 1st company, because they are taking their sweet time, while the 2nd company has already delivered a written contract and is waiting for your signature, what you want to do is nudge the 1st company a bit and extend the 2nd company signature as much as possible. You can email the first company and ask when they expect to have an updated contract to review and ask if there is anything they need from you in order to keep things moving forward. You can ask the 2nd company some clarifying questions about vacation, start dates, etc. to extend your "review" period before signing. You can sign the 2nd offer since it is already in hand, but move your start date out a week or two which will give you time to finalize the 1st contract and see if it ends up being better than the second. The main thing you want to make sure is that you don't lose any of the offers. Worst case scenario, accept the 2nd offer while you're waiting to hear back from the first, and then if the other contract comes through and it is too good to be true, you can always rescind your offer acceptance from the 2nd company and go work for the 1st. That way you're secure either way. Hope that made sense. Lmk if you have additional questions, or if I can clarify any of the above.

@@CareerTherapy thanks so much! That’s great advice and I’ll do that! Thank you!

damn right!

Very normal. What you will probably have to do in this scenario is accept the first job while waiting to hear back from the second. Then if the second job gives you a better offer, you'll have to find a way to bow out of the first job and take the second. Try to only share the minimum amount you have to with each company to get the offers you want and negotiate with both to see what the best offers you can get are. If you need help navigating this, you can set up time to chat with me at careertherapy.com Also rewatch the video and read the comments as there is great info in this threat :) Hope this helped

Last note. Don't tell the 2nd company that you accepted the first offer. Just let them send their contract when it is ready. Most states are at-will employment and you can quit anytime (double check this in your state). If the second company's offer is better than the first, then you turn the first down and go with the second. But, try not to give reasons, just say it was something that you had a life change and can no longer proceed with the role at this time. Companies do this to employees all the time when budgets change or they eliminate roles. It is business, not personal. As companies always say.

@@CareerTherapy Thank you very very much for your effort to reply. Understood and I appreciate it.

Job A: Pays $7k less (approx 3.5k after taxes), has 2 days in office, better medical, does not have seniority. Job B: Pays $7k more (approx 3.5k after taxes), has 4 days in office, worse medical, has seniority. While I cannot make this decision for you, I think laying it out is helpful. The key is to figure out your priorities and long term goals. What is most important? PAY, POSITION, or PEOPLE, if you had to rank these three. If it is PAY first, then you take the one that pays more. If it is position, then you take the more senior role, if it is people, then you go to the company with better culture/vibe. The one thing I want to highlight is that the healthcare benefits might add up to be more than the $7k increase in salary (esp after tax), so keep that in mind when analyzing pay. And at the end of the day check with your gut. Which one feels most right to you? Which one gives you a better vision of the future and which one do you click with the people more? Let me know what you choose. Likely both options are great, with only minor differences/nuances between them. - Coach Marty

@@CareerTherapy Honestly, i been weighing all the different options. Even creating a spreadsheet and powerpoint, but cant seem to make up my mind. I understand you can't make an opinion but if this was in your shoes, which one would you take honestly? Just wanted to get a lot of peoples opinion who has a great deal of expertise such as yourself.

@@bj10jgo Hey Gina - I am going to resist telling you what to do, because honestly, I don't know the right answer any more than you do. Especially since i don't have the contracts in front of me and am unsure of your past working relationship with company B. At the end of the day, truthfully, either job will probably be fine. When they are as similar as you've laid out here, a pros/cons list is less helpful because you're literally comparing apples to apples. You could probably toss a coin and whichever it lands on is fine. If neither company has any massive red flags, both pay about the same, and the work is pretty much equal, I say go for the one that is most comfortable. I am uncertain which one would give you the best future opportunities, but from what you've said they are likely fairly equal in that respect too. If the job you've already started is good so far and you're happy there, stick with it. Just make sure you don't burn bridges at company B, in case 6 months, or 2 years from now you want to reach back out to them and switch back. I know you want a clear answer, but believe me, you'll be much happier making this call yourself and I believe in you to know what is right for you in this moment at this time in your life. Sounds like a win/win either way to me. Let me know what you end up going with :)

@@CareerTherapy Makes sense, thank you so much for your input. 😀

Fingers crossed they don't rescind - let us know how it goes! See if you can get an extra day or two to respond to the 2nd company by following up with some questions. Have they already sent a written offer? Remember that for all of these, if it is not in writing, it is not yet real. So, try to get all of them in writing. If you have to make a decision before you get everything in writing from the other companies, make the best decision you can with the real offers you have in hand. If you get an offer for another company AFTER accepting the first offers, you can always go back and rescind your acceptance. If companies can pull a written offer after giving it to you, you can rescind after accepting. But, check the contract to ensure there are no penalties for doing so and make sure you're in a location with at-will employment.

...it has been debated that many ceo's probably qualify as narcissists

@@CareerTherapy yea or even psychopath's hey i have a question for you, im in a similar situation. i was told on the phone 2 days ago that i "should" be expecting an offer letter once the backround check is done, but i have a good feeling another company may call me back as well. i really want to go ahead with the first company but i dont want to turn the 2nd company down until i see the official letter. what should i tell the 2nd company if they also call and want to proceed with a backround check or another interview?.......also when they do these checks do you think they call my last place and ask what kind of worker i was? (i'm nervous cus i got a few warnings for calling out). and the job before that i did get fired for missing days

@@gristamshackleford2102 Keep going with both processes until you have offers in writing. If you have one in writing and are waiting on the other, try to negotiate a later start date, accept the offer, then turn it down if the other one comes through with better terms. (obviously I'm using short hand here, you have to communicate with each company thoughtfully so they don't take it the wrong way). They sometimes call past employers, but that's usually if they ask for references. Past employers also typically don't talk specific details about employees with other companies, they want to keep that in house. If they ask about your references, give them people who will speak highly of you. There is no one right thing here, but they're just trying to make sure you don't have any criminal activity or other types of things in your background checks.

@@CareerTherapy thanks man, i should be good. i was never in prison, and these are just simple maintenance mechanic jobs. no big security clearance, im just nervous cus it's been a few days already

@@gristamshackleford2102 They always take longer than we want them to. It feels longer for the seeker than the employer. Paitence is key. If you follow-up, do it in a helpful way. "Checking in to see if there is anything additional you need from me to keep things moving forward..." type of a message.

It would depend on the person you’re dealing with and how you communicate it. If they extend the start date, and you get another offer, you wouldn’t tell them that. Instead, you would say, “There have been some changes in my personal situation and I am no longer able to move forward with this role. Apologies for the inconvenience.” It might burn the bridge, it might not, but you’re allowed to do that. You don’t ever HAVE to take a role that you don’t want, or don’t have to take. If the other company has a better offer and you get it in writing, it is best to go with the best offer, not accept the first, worse offer, out of guilt or worry of bridge burning.

keep pursuing both. treat each interview process like the other one does not exist. Try to get offers from both and see what they offer. When you have both offers in hand ready to be signed, you can make your decision. Don't worry until you have an offer in hand. If one company extends and offer and the other is dragging things out, accept the first offer. If the 2nd one comes back with a better offer and you want to take it, then accept it and go back to the first one and decline. Negotiate both to the best of your ability, but don't worry until everything is in writing. Only deal with real offers in writing, not imaginary offers that don't exist yet. Sounds like you just need to focus on crushing the interviews now. It might all sort itself out in the end. But, know you have control over what you accept and reject. Just don't reject the written offer for an imaginary alternative.

@@CareerTherapy I have an offer with the bigger company ready and I am at the last stage of interview for the smaller company that pays more they (small company) are expected to give me an interview next week.

@@asvpjoeyevdo9798 Which team do you feel you fit in with better based on the interviews? When does the bigger company need an answer by? If they need an answer before you get the other offer, you can accept, then rescind your offer later if the smaller company gives you a better offer. But, don't turn down the first one if you don't have the second offer in hand.

@@CareerTherapy by Tuesday

@@CareerTherapy sounds good, I will accept this offer and go along when the other companies come I will just accept them them as well

It might be hard to buy 3 full weeks. I can't give a solid answer, as I am not there in the situation with you, but you might have to take the first offer, since the second one is not guaranteed. Worst case scenario, you turn down the first and then don't get the second and end up with nothing. Can you talk to the person who recommended you and ask for their advice? Say you got an offer and you have to accept by xx date. Ask if there is any way to know about the 2nd offer by then. If they can't give an answer in time, they will miss out on you. But, at the end of the day you have to protect yourself. So, I can't tell you what to do, but don't sacrifice your opportunity for fear of burning a bridge. This is business, not person. Be respectful. Communicate with kindness. Take care of yourself.

Thanks a lot. I know it's a bit tricky situation where the manager for offer 2 is losing things at personal level internally in his company on my behalf. So I fear embarrassing him if I don't take us his offer. On the other hand, the first company has come to me after another candidate could not be onboarded due to some visa issues (that's what I am told). So I know I was their second preference and the reason was that I am little over experienced for that role. But I know I will still have some learning in that role, plus I am jobless since months. So I was ready for any role to be honest. Any other suggestions you can make to handle this tricky situation? I will speak to my contact in second company anyways but I think I should do this only once I have written offer from first company, right?

@@DineshSharma-jr2gu Hope things went well with the convos. Ideally you can navigate this without embarrassing anyone. If they are a professional person, and you handle things professionally, there should be no embarrassment. Then you have to weight that risk with the risk of not getting the job you need for your life to improve. Your life should outweigh another person's embarrassment. Be kind. Give time. Make the decision you have to. They are the ones taking their time and going slow at the end of the day. Good luck.

It's just business. Do what is best for you.