Its a stupid law that does more harm than good in the uk. Although its good for us riders. We have a lot less land in the uk and its crazy expensive because of the demand :(

Not in every state try that in Cali and you get arrested for shooting them lol

thats whats wrong with the USA

As a European American.

Do you really think the penalty for trespassing for a few seconds should be instant death? That seems a bit obscene.

Thanks for watching buddy

Thanks man appreciate it. Hope it helps :)

Ah thanks for watching and i’m glad you enjoy my content! I do plan on grabbing a set of supermoto wheels soon and hitting a local 5 mile long gokart/supermoto track, it closes after 7pm and stays light until 10pm flood lit in summer and is perfect for stunting and some racing. (The gate’s never shut and the owner is pretty chill as theres plenty of signs stating use outside of hours is at your own risk ) Will make for some good content so keep an eye out for that :)

Ah wicked bro! I got a turbo levo with a levociraptor chip too! Its a wicked bit of kit - also very fun to ride! Ive had 35 out of it on a flat but its only the 500wh battery model so it drains fast on the roads! Thanks for watching brother!

You are very welcome! Thanks for watching :)

Brother, what you just said is super applicable to the uk too - overstaying your welcome is the #1 reason for trouble. You are spot on. Thanks for watching and great comment. I dunno if the law is the same in the US as here regarding pushing but for those super wary of trouble in the UK we are allowed to push our bikes along pavements as long as they aren’t moving under their own power to get to trails :)

Hey buddy I’ve been away on holiday for just over a week so havent tested them much since this video but so far I am loving them! I hope to finish my review this/ next week :) its from vanguard garage on instagram in hawaii!

Thanks Stingy! Looking forward to more videos.

Thanks mate! I appreciate you watching 👍🏻

My man ❤️ appreciate the constant love.

Thanks Tom. You can see more including the cost in this video linked here, theres also links to where I got it in the description: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b85xfJmG0Nabgas.html

You shouldnt use your surron as transport it should be your hobby and just for leisure. Using it regularly for transport would get you in trouble. Also kinda pointless a £1500 engwe engine pro 2.0 does 30mph on the throttle and ‘road legal’ if you leave it locked 👍🏻 I have two engwe’s and my second arrived yesterday, if I was going to use a bike for transport those would be my choice then the talaria and surron on the weekends to head out for a spirited ride in the trails! Even using road legal version with full license and documents you will be getting pulled over by police all the time!

I had this discussion with a male karen the other day. He wasn’t having any of it 🤣 he had no response, assist only allowed up to 15mph :( a road cyclist will do 30mph on a flat comfortably and 40+ downhill. They don’t have insurance! 🤷

@@stingyrogerr I envy the people in the states they don't have any of this nonsense.

For sure. Although getting common that the police are starting to fine and ticket riders! I think they’re kinda taking a hint from the UK police. It seems the USA and UK seem to be the two countries with the biggest surron/ebike scenes.

Hey man! Its got an extended swing arm and also a 20mm rise on the forks, its probably 3/4 of an inch taller than stock :) the 19/16 wheels maybe make it look bigger than it is :)

@@stingyrogerr Thanks for the response man!Keep up the great content!

You are most welcome. Thanks for watching 👍🏻

Yes it is for talaria factory and all fast ace variants. It will either be on there or made to order via the evolve uk instagram :)

Noice! I'll keep an eye out for those. Have just ordered some of your side plates from wgt. Can't wait for them to arrive

Means a lot :) will do. ☑️

Yes with MOT also 👍🏻👍🏻

In the UK when you purchase you have the option to get the offroad or road legal (L1E) version which comes from factory with indicators, lights and a logbook and 3 years MOT. It is legally registerable as a moped and insurance companies will insure from £200

@@stingyrogerr thanks for that. I currently have a e-trike and I'm just trying to find a limiter to stop it going faster than 28 mph on the road and have a switch to allow true freedom off road 🤣

Its up to you but if it looks like bicycle i would definitely!

@@stingyrogerr can you look at the Keeway EZi Mini online and give me your opinions please?

@seantuaima i would not use that as it looks like a moped too much! I have engwe engine pro 2.0 which is unrestricted to 30mph on flat with 1200w motor it looks more like a bike and folds into a small package. I have a discount code if you are interested engwe-bikes-uk.com/?ref=STINGYROGERR And code stingyrogerr gets 6% off at checkout! I have been riding it past two days making review and it is actually really impressed me!

Yes that is 100% legal. Walking the bike on the pavement is what you have to do :)

@@reiserhd it will be either bridlepath, footpath, fine for pedal bikes not for these bikes though

With stealth bomber it’s completely different, you will need to take your cbt to qualify for riding on road and register it as a 125. You will need to go to the gov website and fill out the register an offroad vehicle form. With a surron/pitbike/enduro bike its easier. You will need a receipt and proof of tax paid on the bike :)

@stingyrogerr why is a receipt & proof of tax needed? I have no extra tax to pay, bill was tax & shipping combined. What's the 125 thing for on a bomber & not a suron bombers have pedals or does the motor have to be 8000kv maximum? So iv definitely got to do a cbt then? (If you passed before 1999 (about) idt you have to do cbt I have a medical hold full licence but I'm reapplying now

@ModModRc it goes by power regardless of pedals or pegs. And its proof that you purchased the bike new and the duty / vat has been paid on it. It will also need an inspection. Its really not as easy as it sounds! Here’s a link to the GOV website to see the requirements :) www.gov.uk/vehicle-approval/motorcycle-single-vehicle-approval You still have to do a cbt it goes by power output not motor max but actually if you say its 12kw it will be a full a2 license required. 11kw is the max for an a1 license. Good luck mate

@stingyrogerr bit dumb of them saying 11kw. Iv heard of someone with the right speed controller getting 60+ from a 8kw

@ModModRc the rules were created for internal combustion engines so i guess thats why we can get more speed as we have much more torque!

Fair point man! You gotta hope you have cool cops locally who have better things to be doing! Uk cops are pretty grumpy and due to drug dealers choosing 72v surron and talaria for their work transport we all get tarnished with same image and police have started ramming bikes to get the riders off🤯 stay safe out there man thanks for watching :)

Not applicable for headlands and farm tracks. They are purposed for quads, tractors and machinery and are built to quite literally be torn up. Damage to crops is loss of earnings and youd have to be an idiot to intentionally do that. I do have a farm in the family hence why my position on the laws is so strong having tried prosecution in the past on trespassers, hunt anti’s and criminal damage. The UK law is a joke and you’d have to be brain dead to ride and stick around the same place in a manner to be nicked.

Well said ;) thanks for watching.

The L1E surron is designed to be road legal in the UK and comes with a log book. Its limited to 4kw and 28mph until you cut the green wire (bypasses restrictor). Not sure if you knew that… but yeah its a moped and rode on an L plate. When you cut the green wire then it becomes illegal to ride unless re registering it to a 125. Pointless to be honest when most people cut it straight away anyway! Thanks for watching man.

Thats good, i need to move to ireland! Thanks for watching 💪🏼

Yes, although my green 72v surron was a road legal model and the extra wiring and harnesses did make it a bit awkward with certain modifications, wiring and space inside the frame! But yes for most this is a good option 👍🏻🫡

Why remove the number plate ?

What’s the point if you’re going to remove the number plate? 😅

Road vehicles arent allowed offroad unless a dedicated green lane which are normally short and there arent many around. Any offroading with a road registered vehicle is more illegal than offroading with a non registered vehicle 🤣 weird I know. Less punishment if non road registered tho

So the only point is so that the road legal version cant be crushed as it’s registered?

I would suggest not to ride on paths unless you have no other choice!

Good points mate! Very true, cyclists on country lanes doing 10mph in a 60 3 abreast is one of my pet peaves! I appreciate the support thank you for watching 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

Yes if you have the L1E road legal version and 3rd party insurance. You can ride one at 43 without any test or training 👍🏻 will be on an L plate though.

@@stingyrogerrAnd does it need to be taxed moted and insured

@@stingyrogerrI want a stealth 🥷 black one

@TheGrove54 tax is free as its electric, mot is not needed until bike is 3 years old and insurance can be just 3rd party (circa £200 per year)

Can I get hold of a cheap one for £500 ??

Only if road legal and you have CBT. i explained all this in the video.

@stingyrogerr I'm afraid to do all this qns then get robbed I ln uk

@AgosLive unfortunately this is becoming more common in the cities. I live in the countryside a bit where it is much safer :)

@stingyrogerr kinda sad , never wanted something so bad , I still will try to save for a talaria x3 mx they look so beautiful, according to their website you don't need driver license , that's why I was confused

@AgosLive don’t let it put you off. Mine is not road legal and in 5 years of my surron ownership and 2 years with my talaria never had an issue. Having somewhere to store it is important. Cant be leaving it in a shed or outside. A secure garage or home is needed :)

Been around for 50+ years trespass as criminal offence just cant be passed because of the amount of footpaths through land in uk and grandfather rights. Cant be and won’t be plugged anytime soon. People been using this on their motocross bikes for decades :)

What area in uk you from mate? 👍🏻

If you got caught on privately owned land then you should get a lawyer and get compensation. If you’re caught on the road, public spaces and believed to be made through proceeds of crime then yes they can. Lots of variables, for the lads who only wear balaclavas, no helmet then get caught with weed in their man bags & are known to the police previously that doesn’t surprise me !

🤣 yet to have one myself or any of my friends but never say never. Thanks for watching 👍🏻

True although police don’t attend car thefts and robbery in the UK for hours after a call, unlikely for them to take tresspass from someone on an ebike seriously - but yes… i agree with you & you’d have to be stupid to become aggressive to someone when you’re using their land without permission - best thing to do at that point is leave as I said! Thanks for watching 👍🏻

Im not sure on that one but its annoying for you cos 38 is fast for a pedal bike but not fast enough to get away from a car! Stay safe man! Im sure if they rammed you and you injured yourself they would have issues in court keeping their job !

@@stingyrogerr thanks brother I love your vids keep up the good vids bro 🤘🏻

Thanks for watching. Yes usually its the people walking their dogs off the footpaths not leashed that cause issues. 😅🤣

@@stingyrogerr just off astley lane near the cow lees care home some decent little woods there technical track inside an then all the feilds around are ridable pretty good worth a visit on the e bikes

It would be much easier yeah! If you live near any!

Mine was on my bike years ago. Private land & noise complaints. Going back about 5 years ago

@@stingyrogerrI have a section 59 on my car. In what case can I get one on my non road legal Talaria… Are the two linked or completely separate ?

@HRJL2005 I only ever had one on my bike never on my car! I dont know if they can be linked as they lead to vehicle seizure and If on separate vehicles that surely cant be justified!

@@stingyrogerr In what case can they be issued to a bike ? I have a non road registered Talaria MXXX, I do not necessarily ride on public land but curious.

@@stingyrogerr Section 59’s expire after a year too right ?

Correct 👍🏻 the two only legal ways are any private land or on the road with correct documents and license ✅

As I said in the video, kinda gotta be smart about it but yes, On a public place of course destroying grass would be a silly and punishable thing to do. But farm headlands are literally made for farm quads, gators and tractors they’re usually churned up as hell not to mention the horses using them and sinking hooves into it. You make a good point. Kinda gotta look at where you are riding and adjust to it based on your area. For me in my area and being a land owner I couldn’t prosecute based on some tire marks. Police won’t come out for a car theft robbery no way they will come out because someone says their grass has a tire mark in it. But I agree. Don’t destroy land, stay out of trouble and be smart about where and how you ride. Thanks for watching Wayne :)

@@stingyrogerr Hi mate presumably all of this is assuming you are caught in the act. How can they prove it was you otherwise? Thanks

You are correct

Thats explained in the video 👍🏻 thanks for watching

Yeah that spoils it for the rest of us. Seems like theres 2 types of riders on these bikes. The more offroad and respectful motocross/ mountainbike background riders then the tracksuit lads who have no common sense and love terrorising police and local spaces

Lol

Good question but pathed paths like the pavement- no. You can push legally along them though provided you are pushing it by hand and not under its own power. Paths in the forest if not a council owned forest you are fine as long as they are not public foot paths.

@@stingyrogerr thanks bro

The M6 tollroad is owned by the government with a PFI type Contract where a company have been given a contract to run it and collect toll revenue. The contract allows the builders and funders to simply collect tolls for 100 years from contract start before its profits are reverted back to the government. So no. The M6 isn’t privately owned. 🤣🤷‍♂️ the government own it and a private company run it. Thats like saying the NHS is a private company. Funded and managed by VS. Ownership is different 👍🏻 Thanks for watching.

@@stingyrogerr Fair enough. Thanks for the correction.

Can’t reccomend riding on the m6 tbh. Good point tho. 💪🏼🫡

Im not sure that applies on ebikes/bikes

You mean lawyer big boss? 🤣

Sorry to hear that. What an idiot riding so fast and so close to other people. Sorry to hear about your experience with reckless riders.

@stingyrogerr not your fault brother theses things look like fun. But so dangerous in the wrong hands. And ruines it for responsible riders like yourself. This kid was doing like 50 mph on that thing and his handle bars smashed right into my left ebb was like being hit with a slegde hammer. Moters insurers buro looking into see if u have a claim. Just sucks that idiot can't go fishing living off sick pay noidea what's even gonna happen about my elbow. May need elbow replacement surgery. I'm so.glad ur respinsable. Was incredible how fast he was going in such a short space

Plenty of other riding videos on the channel man! This was just a talking video but my other 50+ are riding! Thanks for watching!

@@stingyrogerr il check them my bro but be careful on them things! I rode my 60mph hyper scooter in to a car at 42mph hence why your off road i get it lol but my left leg full of metal 😅 them things are fun but deadly, would love to get back in to motocross again but can't risk it :( be safe brother!

@youmrshot oh no way! Sorry to hear that man! Im currently pushing 26kw right now which feels insane! Thanks for watching and commenting tho appreciate it!

@@stingyrogerr yeah thats insane bro! Always gear up stay safe! And I'm okay brother never felt more alive

This is all incorrect and only applies for the usa. This is completely incorrect for the uk. A relative of mine may or may not be high up in my area’s police force and deals with bikes a lot over the summer and hates the lack of legal avenues to prosecute the bikes if caught off-road. On the road is a different story. Criminal tresspass does not exist. If a landowner uses force to remove you this is completely illegal and will be classed as assault. If youre from the UK you will know about fox hunting - the anti hunts roll up every single time the horses and riders are out and block the paths of the farmers and hunters on their own land, police are called with no effect week in week out. If you park across somebodys driveway you are not restricting a highway as your driveway is not classed as as highway. Ive attached some links below for you to have a look. Im guessing you are american as none of these terms exist in UK law. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trespass_in_English_law#:~:text=Trespass%20in%20English%20(and%20Welsh,property%2C%20protected%20sites%2C%20etc. This one is the metropolitan police website on blocking someones driveway: www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/asb/asb/antisocial-behaviour/nuisance-parking/# As i mention in the video, trespass leading to loss of earnings is the only time a court case can ensue but is a lengthy process. Vandalism would mean purposeful destruction of property and some tire marks on a grass headland would be a bit impossible as they’re used by farmers quads and other heavy machinery so the ground there is already torn up and not legally classed as farmable land and any crops growing across the footpath would be an offence on their part. But thanks for watching. Plenty of laws people assume exist. Plenty of times a burglar or robber has injured themselves TRESPASSING on someone’s property and won court cases against the land owner.

@@stingyrogerr Are these rules different to riding on council owned land ?

@HRJL2005 i did mention council owned land in the video! Council owned land has its own rules where the council have ties to the local police so they will be able to issue section 59 anti social order on the bike and seize it until you pay the impound fee. Council/government land is risky, if its a car park (paved) sometimes it can even be classed as public highway (road)

@@stingyrogerr Thanks. How risky is riding on green lanes without proper documentation ?

@HRJL2005 you’re very unlikely to encounter any problems. With it being a green lane you will be surrounded by fields and green areas to head off into if you think someone coming towards you could bee trouble :)

Yep! Or this..

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Jack knows. ^

No face, no case 😂

Hi Philip, that’s why there is a question mark after it in the title 👍🏻

That's right, its private property until it's registered as a vehicle for commercial use.

Not in the UK but yeah in other countries this could be true 👍🏻 thanks for watching

@@stingyrogerr yea in the UK, public roads for public people, you have the right to travel uninterrupted across the country, only need a driving licence such things as delivering taxi etc otherwise free to travel that is the difference between driving and travelling you don't need a driving licence for a horse

@kerrytaylor4193 oh right. 👍🏻