How to make Ace AF1's EVEN BETTER!

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How to make Ace AF1's EVEN BETTER!

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3 ай бұрын

After skating the Ace AF1 Hollows for 6 weeks and still feeling like they haven't broken in yet and are a bit unstable still, I decided to try out some of Ace's Hard Bushings...
Shout out to all of you legends that suggested I try the harder bushings because this is exactly what I needed and has made these Ace AF1 trucks EVEN BETTER!
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@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Who else has swapped out their stock bushings for the Ace hard bushings?

@guilhermencto 3 ай бұрын

I'm using the Bones Bushings Mediums and they're perfect too. I just can't get used with the stocking Aces :/

@monatomic 3 ай бұрын

I have some 10" aces and you almost can not even skate them unless you swap the bushings to the hard bushings.

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Yeah 10" trucks would feel way too wild with the standard bushings! @@monatomic

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

I was thinking about trying the Bones bushings as an alternative but the Ace hard bushings have been great! @@guilhermencto

@aleaus 3 ай бұрын

🖐 Stock were way too loose for me. Love the Ace hard bushings

@babyzoomer924 2 ай бұрын

Harder bushings, loose-ish nut, yes sir! I've always used that configuration, no matter what the trucks are. It's just perfect!

@pawechabrowicz2895 2 ай бұрын

Damn I just sold my old pair of regular AF1s because they were too loose and I mostly skate Thunders anyway, this is giving me truck madness again 😂

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah man, I've been going through some crazy board madness over the last 12 months too!

@frankrotthier4392 3 ай бұрын

yes dude! Great you liked the harder bushings 😀 Like we all said, more stability but with the same great turn. Best feeling truck out there 🙂

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Yeah dude, definitely more stable for a big guy like me!

@seanalan3252 3 ай бұрын

A medium tight truck has always been the way to go.

@DTC1138 3 ай бұрын

Yeah mate, glad you gave the 94as a try!

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Definitely a game changer for a heavy guy like me! lol

@MuzKay 3 ай бұрын

Can confirm. Agreed. I am on ace af1 with ace hard bushings and it’s nice

@lumix2477 3 ай бұрын

Very enjoyable chill content 👍🔥

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Thank you, appreciate that a lot!

@jimmyhuang8730 3 ай бұрын

Bones Hard Bushings works on Aces also.

@DrRhomboid_Goatcabin 3 ай бұрын

All my AF1s have the replacement hard bushings. The stock ones are like marshmallows!

@juanpantoja1630 3 ай бұрын

Got em on my royals, so perfect.

@SOUPBOY1972 2 ай бұрын

I’ve swapped the bottom with the hard ones and kept the 91 top bushings. That was still a little too squirrelly. So now i ride all my Aces with 94/94 and they are really great.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Yeah I heard a few people doing that too but having the double hard is the way to go I think 👌🏽

@PatchesOHoulihan-hi2tb 2 ай бұрын

Nice! I swapped out the bushings on my Ace AF1 55 hollows for Independent 94A black bushings and they feel perfect. I still get the turning I want but with more stability for flip tricks. I also noticed that with harder bushings I don't have to crank down the kingpin nut to get the desired tightness. The stock bushings felt too squishy no matter how much I tightened the nut.

@asmokanu 3 ай бұрын

Swapped only top (conical) bushings with hards - perfect!

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I think that's what Spanky does too!

@kitcatski 3 ай бұрын

I use the ace low hard bushings in my ventures, ace makes some really great bushings

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Oh sick, I was wondering if they made their low bushings to be compatible with other brands trucks 🤔

@2saddads 3 ай бұрын

Man I've always had to switch out the ace bushings because I'm heavier but love loose trucks, the hard bushings are fantastic and It's annoying buying an extra set of bushings but luckily there fairly cheap and ace always sends quick!

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

The hard bushings definitely help us big guys lol

@guy2334 3 ай бұрын

I love ur vids bro you skate like such a similar setup to me cept i got ace 80s and a anatomy of a wide boy egg, ima get these bushings and do the same

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Thank you man 🙏🏼 Damn I really want to get my hands on that deck! I happened to get an Eggzilla 2 though so I'm super keen to set that one up next week 🙌🏼

@sidwellsk8er 3 ай бұрын

@LeonPaxton Ace 80s with Ace Hard bushings or 215s. The wheelbite on the Eggzilla is gnarly so you might want one riser.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I rode it for the first time today and was getting hella wheelbite 😂@@sidwellsk8er

@sidwellsk8er 2 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton yeah I set mine up and stood on it. When I turned it it got wheelbite. So now I'm tripping on where to put the rails at. If positioned wrong rails can make wheelbite even worse.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I actually bent my rails so each end sits just outside of where the wheels would touch my board and then the centre of the rails still creates a platform for board slides without the actual deck touching. I took a little while to figure out but it was either that or trim down the rails to sit lower than where the wheels would touch lol

@geezuschrist2734 3 ай бұрын

I changed the ACE original botton bushing for a independent hard bushing and works really well.

@Not-Even-Close-666 3 ай бұрын

Switched to bones hard the second day i got them. Now they are 🔥

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

They were going to me my next option but these Ace hard bushings are great!

@mitch.w 3 ай бұрын

Bones bushings sucks, medium, hard doesnt matter they blow out after bout a month. Feel good new but thats a gimmick for how weak they are

@benj6107 3 ай бұрын

I rode AF1’s (with stock bushings) for the last couple of years and wheel bite was something I just learned to live with. However, I’ve recently switched to Slappy ST1’s with stock bushings and they’re just as loose, turn even faster than Ace but the best thing is that wheel bite is almost none existent. A really recommend trying the Slappys because they ride very similar to Ace but they’re just better and no wheel bite.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Hahaha yeah that's what I found with Slappy trucks as well! They really are a great truck. I was looking to try out some of the Slappy Lights that just dropped but they didn't make them in my size 👎🏽

@bumrodgers 3 ай бұрын

Greta video as always. How does the ace hard bushing set up feel in comparison to Slappies? A lot of how you describe the feeling of the hard aces (stable, less wheelbite, still very turny) sounds very similar to Slappy reviews.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Thanks dude 🙏🏼 It is kind of like Slappy trucks but Slappy's come perfect straight away lol

@vanjajclayton4571 3 ай бұрын

Thunder hollow lights are my favourite trucks

@sonnyrico 3 ай бұрын

Thats what i did, almost think thats what they should come with. Have you tryed the new holow slappys trucks yet? Im wanting to get some when i come across a set

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I wanted to try the new Slappy Lights but they didn't release them in my size so I'll definitely have to try the Slappy Hollows next instead 👌🏼

@sidwellsk8er 3 ай бұрын

Literally the only way I can ride Aces.

@bobcat2938 3 ай бұрын

How do you like your trucks Leon in tight to loose? I like the look of Ace but I ride tight trucks and not sure if Ace trucks are suitable? Would they go tight with the hard bushings or still retain that side to side movability? Hopefully this makes sense.

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Usually I like them loose but the Ace stock bushings were just too loose for me. Maybe because I'm so heavy lol They skate pretty much the samew but the harder bushings just help keep the trucks more stable for me. They still turn great 👌🏼

@bobcat2938 2 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton Thanks Leon

@morepassionfoo 3 ай бұрын

I do 2 things to my aces that make them great imo. First off, my trucks made a knocking sound when turning (not the normal bushing squeak). A little lube on the outside of the pivot cup took care of that. Secondly, I run just the bottom hard bushing, normal top bushing. I still get all the turn with most of the squirrleyness dialed out

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Yeah I've had that sound on other trucks and it becomes so annoying! That's a good idea, I think Spanky rides his trucks like that too!

@Scharfster 3 ай бұрын

I do the opposite, 90a bottom bushing, 94a top bushing, both indy bushings, but i have them set in my thunders, feelsgoodman

@ichista 3 ай бұрын

Told ya haha glad you like them

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Appreciate the suggestion so much!

@TimHesse 3 ай бұрын

Great in new royals as well.

@diplenski 3 ай бұрын

i like mini logo bushings, i have them in 2 sets of indys. the hards(red) were too hard with both top and bottom, so i have mini logo tops and indy bottoms. i've never had aces so i can't say if/how they'd work with mini logo bushings, but they're a pretty standard/universal shape for like indy/venture/thunder. i'd imagine big guys do better with hard bushings, or custom/split duro setup with a softer bottom. i like med-med/tight trucks and hate wheelbite, 6'3, 225

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Damn I didn't know Mini Logo was still a thing lol Yeah I never really thought of it that way but I definitely need firm bushings for how heavy I am!

@diplenski 3 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton i like their wheels and bushings. i've not tried their trucks, but they're supposedly good if you like low trucks. their decks are good if you like flat decks from what i hear. their bearings are supposed to be identical to bones reds just cheaper. the quality has always been on point and the prices are hard to beat. it's powell/skate one, just at a price point

@TRAVIESO_NA 3 ай бұрын

@@diplenskiit’s cool what skate 1 does it’s maybe not the coolest brand based on image and marketing but as for quality it’s a great brand. They are USA made too. Which is cool to me considering most skateboarding company’s are in California but made in china. 🇨🇳

@taneltolsting2900 3 ай бұрын

Mini-Logo stuff is great, except c-shape wheels - those are garbige, absurdly soft for 100 duro. A-cut wheels are fine though. Planning to get Mini-Logo hard bushing for my other setups too. Still I think most ML is made in China.

@diplenski 3 ай бұрын

@@taneltolsting2900 i saw a video with a guy saying his 101 duro A-cuts felt more like 90. they do also make 90 duro, so i thought maybe a mix up before printing/packaging. they do have excellent customer service in my experience, so if you reach out i'm sure they'd take care of it. i think i prefer the c-cut shape, my ml wheels are almost 20yo

@pognaligroup 3 ай бұрын

SO TRUE!!!! HAD ONE and i have the same issuies! thanks really ! But it still better thah thunder))))

@user-uy5id4ue6n 3 ай бұрын

I put de pig 96a bushings and they are perfect

@kentarobagley3360 3 ай бұрын

Hey man. Couldn't help but notice that you're riding a Pilz deck now. How does it feel compared to a Heroin? We cant get them in South Africa but can get a Pilz egg shape. Just wanted to know. P.S. I'm really digging your content bro. keep it up and I hope the ankle heals up soon!

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Yeah dude it's sick! The biggest difference is that it felt a little flatter at first because it doesn't have the razor top like the Heroin eggs do and also the woodshop that Jacuzzi use have really stiff and rigid wood which feels good but there isn't much flex to their boards and I've found they chip a little easier because there is no give if that makes sense? Both companies make great egg boards 🙌🏼 Thanks dude, it's all good now!

@kentarobagley3360 2 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton thanks, man! I really appreciate the reply!

@thepezfeo 3 ай бұрын

I replaced the old stock bushings on some Indy 169 (9.125") with the blue Indy 92a "medium hard" bushings and they seem a bit too hard, but I haven't broke them in yet. The new bushings were about 2 mm taller than the old bushings, I assume the old ones were just squished from use. If the don't loosen when they break-in I may dremel the slightest bit off of them.

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Yeah these actually felt a bit too hard when I set them up too but they definitely wore in quick and feel perfect now 👌🏽 Hopefully yours wear in eventually too 🤞🏽

@TRAVIESO_NA 3 ай бұрын

Just break em in. I skate the black hard Indy bushings a lot. They are stiff for a min but loosen up also. I never tried the blue med hard I gotta try those next.

@sidwellsk8er 3 ай бұрын

You might have gotten the Stage 4 bushings, they're taller.

@CH-nz6ys 3 ай бұрын

what @sidwellsk8er said...sounds like the Stage IV bushings. Did they have a white Independent label on them? If so, Stage IV's.

@sidwellsk8er 3 ай бұрын

@@CH-nz6ys they're selling them in multiple harnesses now as replacements. Probably would decress movement a lot if the bushings are even bigger.

@elcarlocoivxx9045 2 ай бұрын

For kingpin clearance there’s 2hex inverted kingpins, etangskate has a video with more detail

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Sick, I might have to check them out!

@monatomic 3 ай бұрын

Aces pivot cup is hand poured and very soft which helps them turn and pinch with harder bushings.

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

That makes sense, that makes such a difference then 👌🏽

@monatomic 3 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton I put the Ace pivot cup in some Stage 4s. That was amazing. The only issue was the truck weight.

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

Yeah Stage 4 hollows would be amazing!

@davidleeashkenazi8992 2 ай бұрын

I'd probably mix the mids with the hards

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I think that's what Spanky does too!

@casemcdonald1187 3 ай бұрын

have you had any issues with the pivot cups?

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

The pivot cup has been fine and hasn't stretched out at all 👌🏼

@casemcdonald1187 3 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton dang!! even with slappies? the front truck cup on mine exploded like 3 times ! i had ace send me a new pair of af1s but kept using the original hanger since it had good grooves but it kept happening! so it definitely is just the front hanger so i have a wasted pair of free af1s haha but i think im going to go buy new ones today

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Damn! I've actually never had any problems with my pivot cups in any trucks 🤔 @@casemcdonald1187

@casemcdonald1187 2 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton picked up a fresh set of af1s and they are amazing. no faulty pair haha

@Just_SK8 3 ай бұрын

Stock bushings should be hard as standard. The ones in most trucks are like jelly

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I guess it depends what you prefer and how heavy you are 🤔

@christopherdoucette6535 3 ай бұрын

I tried the Ace hard bushings but they just felt way too hard for me. I kinda wish the made a bushing in between their stock and hard.

@frankrotthier4392 3 ай бұрын

They loosen up after breaking them in (maybe after one or two sessions) Also, people like Kevin "Spanky" Long use a Hard bottom with a Stock top bushing, so maybe try that ;)

@christopherdoucette6535 3 ай бұрын

Ya know, I probably didn’t give it enough time to loosen up. I didn’t know Spanky did that,…actually a great idea, I’ll try experimenting with that! Cheers

@SOYLUISO 3 ай бұрын

what board are you using?

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

This is a Jackson Pilz 9.125" Jacuzzi egg deck 👌🏼

@jeffli480 3 ай бұрын

I just use the hard barrel and keep the top stock

@yesmaybe630 3 ай бұрын

They have medium and hard bushings now

@DarkoNomad 3 ай бұрын

This largely depends on your weight, others seems to love them as they are

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

That makes a lot of sense since I'm a big heavy guy so that's probably why I need the harder bushings lol

@levro7367 Ай бұрын

Ventures have the largest wheelbase try them out on an egg board

@LeonPaxton Ай бұрын

I’ll have to try a set!

@Sproutt 14 күн бұрын

Wow these turn on a dime what the ha.

@LeonPaxton 13 күн бұрын

They’re so good!

@Sproutt 13 күн бұрын

@@LeonPaxton for aure gonna check out sme ace trucks next Christmas Complete

@averageskater900 3 ай бұрын

So ace or slappy?

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

I don't know if I can make a full comparison until I skate the Slappy hollows but Slappy wore in straight away and never got any wheelbite 🤔

@Not_My_Handle 3 ай бұрын

Slappys or Ace??

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

That's a good question! I'll be making a video comparison soon 🤝🏽

@Not_My_Handle 3 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton sweet! I'll be looking forward to it. I'm currently riding Thunder titanium lights and have been debating on getting the slappy lights or Ace.

@CH-nz6ys 3 ай бұрын

@@LeonPaxton I was wondering the same, Leon. I've seen a LOT of reviewers in recent months skate Slappys and say they won't go back to Ace. I needed some 9.5" trucks for a new setup and went with the Slappy ST1 Classics. I hope I like them. Looking forward to that comparison.

@frannois 3 ай бұрын

but I thought loose trucks saved lives 😏

@LeonPaxton 3 ай бұрын

They are still loose, just more controllable lol

@Dfort_ 2 ай бұрын

Aces are made in China too? 🤔🤔

@LeonPaxton 2 ай бұрын

Yes I think they are actually

@theoriginalrabbithole Ай бұрын

You're too heavy for the bushings. Get Bones 'Hard' bushings and do NOT remove the bottom boardside washer, as Bones recommends. Leave the bottom washer on or it will lower your geometry and ruin your turn.

@LeonPaxton Ай бұрын

These Ace hard bushings feel great but keen to try out the Bones hard bushings!