How to oil RV AC motor bearings with no ports

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Reoiling the sleeve bearings on a Coleman Mach 13,500 BTU RV Air Conditioning electric motor may significantly extend the life of that motor. Here's how I did mine. Here is the link to the video I used to remove the motor out of the AC unit (unfortunately, this video, as of March, 2024, is no longer available):
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@dukebrees7002
@dukebrees7002 3 ай бұрын
Very professional tutorial! I did what you said and it worked like a charm! I kept thinking I had to use more 3 in 1 than I did, but I restrained myself. Thanks for you help.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for the encouraging comment and I'm glad I could help!
@paulmoffat9306
@paulmoffat9306 11 ай бұрын
I did something similar with my attic fan motor - they would fail about every 2-3 years, and then had to be replaced. I took the old motor, disassembled it the same way as you, and saw that it had the same bearings as you described. I have a home machine shop, and I manufactured a set of replacement inserts to use sealed ball bearings, instead of any sleeve - the shafts were a standard size, so it was easy to find alternate bearings. When the 'replacement' motor started to go bad, I replaced it with my modified one. That was 15 years ago, have not had to replace it again.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 11 ай бұрын
Paul, that is great! Friend, your comment is gold, and one that I have been waiting for someone to post. I thought this would be the way to go to fix these motors that failed on me, but could never figure out how to replace it with ball bearings; I have no home machine shop like you have to be able to do this. Can you explain in more detail exactly how you did this? Can you list the parts you used and where you purchased them, like the ball bearings?
@paulmoffat9306
@paulmoffat9306 11 ай бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 Sizing the bearings is easy, with a caliper - if the size seems 'odd', like a number that cannot be expressed in 1/16 or 1/32 increments, then the shaft is probably metric. That is the ID needed, the OD is not too important, as is the thickness. I machined the bearing holders from aluminum bar on my 6" lathe to the size of the original bearing location and of course, to the size of the new one. There are lots of sources for bearings, but the one I used most is McMasterCarr supply.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 11 ай бұрын
@@paulmoffat9306Thanks, Paul. What you did is so great that I would like to make a video of it. Could you contact me so I can get more information from you? My email is: adobemastr@gmail.com Refitting those sleeve bearings with ball bearings is simply fantastic, and I believe many people would be interested in knowing exactly how you did the replacement. Did you happen to take any pictures or video of the project? And do you think there could be a way to replace the sleeve bearings with the ball bearings without having to use your lathe?
@jamesmccool503
@jamesmccool503 2 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best tutorials I have seen in quite a while.
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 Жыл бұрын
Amen!!
@ralphnunn4520
@ralphnunn4520 Жыл бұрын
This is one of the best instructional videos I have ever watched. Detailed, yet no minutia. Excellent audio clarity and enunciation. Clear and steady visuals. You have earned my subscription. Thank you.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your kind reply! I appreciate your positive feedback and hope my video helped at least a little bit.
@codyschwarzenbach2454
@codyschwarzenbach2454 5 ай бұрын
Great video, very detailed and credit where credit is due. Thank you for posting your experience as well as illustrating the project!
@markstanislawski780
@markstanislawski780 2 жыл бұрын
You are the man. Us RV living folks are a small populous, and a well explained, RESEARCHED, man I loved the research, video like this is by far above University level.
@samygirl3113
@samygirl3113 6 ай бұрын
I love how detailed and clear you are with this video. I wasn't able to fix the motor, but I was able to replace it and put everything back together with no issues.
@angieb5472
@angieb5472 2 жыл бұрын
very professional video. The best video out there on this subject !!! Hope you post more soon.
@jonfklein
@jonfklein Жыл бұрын
Hey, I appreciate your video. I'm not repairing an R/V air conditioner motor, just a simple window fan. But there are some similarities in the motors that were informative to me. Also, I am by no means an motor repair person, just a guy who is somewhat handy and has a small mish-mash of tools. My window fan also has a motor with sintered bronze sleeve bearings, and it also has what I believe is that Permawick junk as an oil wick. Other, older fans that I have taken apart, such as a bathroom ceiling fan, have a felt material for an oil wick. The felt is much more durable as it holds together better. On top of this the motor is very cheaply made. The bearing housing is simply pressed steel, a small ring of permawick is around the sleeve bearing and both are loosely held in place by piece of metal that looks like a lock washer. Each bearing is attached to the motor housing by four small metal tabs bent around their mounting points. I'm sure these metal tabs will eventually break off if unbent and bent too many times. A very jenky design. One of these bearings ran dry. So, like you, I have been trying to figure out how to service it and keep the fan running. I replaced the capacitor, then found out that wasn't the problem. Eventually realized it was the bearing. Cleaned and oiled it last week, but now it is failing again. May have to soak the sleeve in oil overnight. Also, might have to replace the Permawick with a felt pad. It would have been a lot easier if the motor had oil ports and a better wick material. I guess that's the world we live in today where everything is cheaply designed and cheaply manufactured. Sigh.
@ErrybodyGetTypsy
@ErrybodyGetTypsy Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this thorough and well put together video. This describes my situation with my Coleman Mach exactly.
@ektin375
@ektin375 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the nice clear instructions. I don't think the Donald McAdams video you mention is on KZfaq anymore, though. I opened up the Broad Ocean motor on my Coleman Mach 3 to find that it uses ball bearings, not sleeve bearings. One was a bit dry which was causing an intermittent chattering sound, after previously working without issue for 9 years in a desert environment. When properly lubricated, the shaft should rotate with hardly any resistance. You should be able to turn the fan blade with a finger and see it spin for 10-15 seconds before coming to a stop.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 3 ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing out that link is now dead. That's too bad because it was a decent video on how to remove the motor and is why I did not include any video of how I took it out because someone else had already done that.
@adobemastr
@adobemastr 2 ай бұрын
Where did you get that ball bearing motor from?
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!! My older Layton by Celibrity I've been remodeling fan bearings started squealing and it stopped on me. I had a 14500 btu in the bedroom but it needed coolant and didn't have a fill cap. Then I got a smaller 8000 btu unit because it's 30 ft. So me and a friend got up there and I was thinking it had a belt. Yes I'm a novice. I've been slowly rebuilding and repairing it to down size. We found video's on it an I thought ok I'll go ahead and buy a new fan motor and the capacitators while I'm at it. You just saved me a lot. I can tell it's been changed before and they removed the ac coolant plug. I guess they didn't want up loose the previous owner's business. So I'm ordering 2. One for the large window unit I usedwith my generator after hurricanes when the power lines went down. I was not ready to move into it but the hurricanes Matthew and Julia destroyed my home. But my camper survived. New floors and I was bringing the tiles in the living room so it was an emergency situation. The house was making me and my service dog and 2 elderly cat's sicker by the day, in living in it in the humid hot swamps here in the Inner Banks, from the OBX. Ac is a life saver. Thank you for your video!! I can use all the help I can get. 🤗
@robertf6523
@robertf6523 Жыл бұрын
Your story at the start is the same story I've had with walmart fans (like 15 bucks for a basic lil metal fan or the "honeywell" fan).. get a year or two out of 'em before they didn't want to turn. I'm finally like screw going to buy a new fan I'm taking this one entirely apart.. and I did. No felt to hold extra oil, no oil port.. just pulled 'em all the way apart. Only thing wrong in there was the lubricant had gummed up. Cleaned it off from the shaft and bushing, gave it a good slickin with sewing machine oil, put it all back together and it runs like new. I do have to relube it more often than most motor maintenance says.. I suspect because no felt, and maybe a little to do with it being sewing machine oil instead of 3-in-1 (20w non detergent) But it beats buying a new fan when all the old fan needs is fresh lube
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
That is a great story! Have you considered making a video about this? In fact, I have TWO of these fans sitting around that died on me like so many others of the ones you just described. But your results makes sense considering what I went through With my RV motor. Thanks for the reply!
@salserr5022
@salserr5022 11 ай бұрын
Great video, awesome job
@steverodgers333
@steverodgers333 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Appreciate this video. Feel a lot more confident in accomplishing a task like this. You're a good man.
@jameslezak7882
@jameslezak7882 4 ай бұрын
Nice video! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@desertnate
@desertnate Жыл бұрын
I have the same problem on mine and I also live in Tucson Arizona lol Thank you for this helpful video 👌
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
Did you take the motor apart like shown in my video? How did it go?
@ElDrumeroDrums
@ElDrumeroDrums Жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation 👏🏼 thank you!
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 11 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@ElectricBillAlbright
@ElectricBillAlbright 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. Good explanation of the type of bearing and your research done finding out exactly what the manufacturer uses for lubrication. Thanks for sharing this information. I have two AC units on my 5th wheel trailer, both have motor shafts seized up. I figured the original lubricant gets gummed up and causes this problem. I thought they had Oilite bearings or more like a bushing impregnated with oil, bronze and copper particles. Too bad they dont use a roller or ball bearing that can be packed with grease. Maybe too much heat. Thanks again for a great video 👍👍👍🙂
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 Жыл бұрын
I thought it had the old ball bearings as well. I'm so glad to see what it looks like inside!!
@jerryferrell517
@jerryferrell517 2 жыл бұрын
If I was going to pull the fan out every 12 months to oil it, I'd have 2 motors. One always ready to reinstall while I was re-oiling the other..
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
That's exactly what I've done. In fact, I have at least two to three replacement motors sitting in my shipping container I use as a storage unit in case another of these motors go out again. I never want to be sitting in the Tucson sun in my RV waiting for a new one to arrive.
@larryfromwisconsin9970
@larryfromwisconsin9970 9 ай бұрын
Thanks. No bearing will last forever without relubrication. And it's foolish to replace the entire motor for want of oil. I had this same problem with my pool pump. Just dumb that it only lasts a couple of years then need to replace the entire unit. With the cost of Copper so high now it makes sense to service the bearings even if the manufacturer says it's not necessary.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 9 ай бұрын
I agree with you 100%. Some interesting news: Coleman is now making these motors out of ball bearings. A company called "Emotorpro" is a distributor. This would be a game changer. The problem is, they are selling this motor for over $300. The part # is 1468-3489.
@edmalts
@edmalts Жыл бұрын
Perfect video for , very well explained. I have that problem right now. Fan is stiff and hard to turn. After spraying lubricant on shaft it turn with no problem.
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 Жыл бұрын
Mine is still tight after spraying the shaft. You can see some of the fiber pushed out.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
@@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 That's why you have to take the motor apart so you can re-oil the bearings. If the motor got so hot that the bearing material is "pushed out," you may need to replace that bearing material. In a pinch, I believe you might be able to use sawdust, believe it or not. I read somewhere that is exactly what some motor manufacturers at one time used. And it might be that the bearing got so hot from lack of oil that it is fried and you might need to replace the motor. This is why it is so critical to be able to re-oil those bearings; and to do that, you must take the motor apart as described in my video. Good luck.
@MrFateorfaith
@MrFateorfaith Жыл бұрын
Good video
@stonemichacross
@stonemichacross 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in the Mojave desert and have been having this problem for weeks, so I'm glad I found this video. Unfortunately my AC has a built in foam enclosure instead of a metal plate, and it doesn't seem I can remove the motor without destroying the foam.
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208
@marilyndreamwalkermejorado1208 Жыл бұрын
Same here. I had to pull the foam out. But only lost about 4 inches that broke off from the bottom. I saved that piece until we found there's no coolant or oil ports and I said no freaking way! You can see one the company that worked on it that's been removed! An elderly man took it to the only rv place here and they wanted to keep his business. That's just so wrong. So I'm ordering two for both my window unit in my bedroom and the top unit. Thankfully I found y'all.
@j.d.r.2369
@j.d.r.2369 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very well done! Excellent advice. Even tho I have an Advent ac. I'm in Las Vegas Desert, so same concerns. Is it possible 2 just replace these Sleeve bearings? Where? I have an Advent on trailer. & It's on 24/7, so it concerns me. Already replaced brittle disintegrated fan blade from heat. Links 2 resources would b nice. I'm trying 2 figure out removal of fan motor. Is black rubberized gasket necessary 4 sound? Is it replaceable? Thanks 4 this Professionally done video! JDR
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
I think you can replace these sleeve bearings but it would require some tools and knowledge that I don't happen to have at this time. These bearings seem to be attached to the housing hubs using some type of rivet system. I've seen sleeve bearings advertised on the Internet (do a google search and you will see what I mean) that I believe would work as replacements, but again, it is knowing how to take them out of their housings and properly replacing them using the right tools. But I think you are on to something and believe it is a great idea. If you figure out a way to do this, please reply and let me know how you did it. Other RV'ers will much appreciate it!
@Jose-eb4vf
@Jose-eb4vf Жыл бұрын
Great video Those a/c guys probably hate your guts, hahaha, no more easy money for them
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
Yes, along with the motor manufacturers who are making a killing because we RV'ers keep replacing them. These people have no conscience and are greedy because they can certainly make motors that don't wear out so soon. All they have to do is put back the oil ports in them. But then they wouldn't sell as many motors.😡
@bevs9995
@bevs9995 11 ай бұрын
4:34 goo gone 8:58 - zoom spout oiler 9:03 - or 3 in 1 motor oil. blue can 5:11 - 5/18 wrench
@winnerscreed6767
@winnerscreed6767 3 ай бұрын
@product and equipment reviews. Thank you for such a good video on this topic. I'm not trying to kick a dead horse but my problem is slightly different than what I have found videos on. my ac keeps running for a few seconds after I turn it off. The rubber gasket where the shaft goes into the motor deteriorated last year when we took the cover off to clean and check it. I put a drop of regular 3 in 1 oil on the shaft probably not enough because I read not to over do it and it was more for the rusty shaft than the bearings (didn't even know about that last year) after watching your video I think I understand what is needed. I am wondering have you heard of Fluid Film and if so do you think it would work instead of 3 in 1 oil. I haven't seen any in a blue bottle.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 3 ай бұрын
I've never heard of "Fluid Film" but you can use any light oil, like the 3 in 1 in the red bottle (but the blue bottle is better from what I understand). Putting a drop of 3 in 1 on the shaft is certainly better than nothing, but you cannot get enough oil by only doing this: you absolutely need to remove the motor and re-oil the sleeve bearings as I showed in the video. It's not that hard. Now, the video I linked to in order to remove the motor is no longer up so you will have to search around and find another video on how to remove it. As far as the AC continuing to run for a few seconds after you turn it off sounds like an entirely different problem than what my video addressed, but I'm sure there is a video on that as well...you just need to search KZfaq.
@winnerscreed6767
@winnerscreed6767 3 ай бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 thank you for the reply 😁
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 3 ай бұрын
@@winnerscreed6767 You're welcome! Best of luck with your project. I finally put in a mini-split in my RV and I have to tell you it has made all the difference! It was a TON of work to do but worth every dollar and nanosecond of time I put into it. I did not remove my Coleman Mach unit but will leave it up there in case my mini split goes on the blink and I will have the old unit as a backup.
@frankmanuel1764
@frankmanuel1764 Жыл бұрын
Do you think it would be safe to drill a tiny hole to squirt oil on the the wicking material? Or is there enough room to install a tube to lubricate from the outer part of the housing? I live in San Diego so I don’t get the heat but do get the salt breeze.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
That is a great question, and I thought of that myself, but determined that it was better to remove the motor from out of the AC unit and then disassemble the motor and then re-oil the bearings as you saw in the video. But you know the old saying: "there is more than one way to skin a cat," and perhaps your idea would work. But here's the issue: let's say you could reach one of the bearings by drilling a hole in the housing of the motor and then dripping some oil into it; that might be possible. But the problem is the other bearing that you have to reach, the one that is inside the AC itself; how would you reach that one? This is why I think you need to remove the motor from the AC unit, disassemble the motor itself, and then re-oil the bearings like shown in the video. If you go slow and are patient, it is not that difficult of a job to do.
@frankmanuel1764
@frankmanuel1764 Жыл бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 Thank you for responding and great feedback. My AC hasn’t given me issues yet, but I always like to be ahead of some things.
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@productandequipmentreviews7386 5 ай бұрын
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@DabblelyDiddly
@DabblelyDiddly 21 күн бұрын
there are sealed motors available for these units.. id suggest ordering a better motor
@altiemua6089
@altiemua6089 Жыл бұрын
I'm hoping this is my issue. I have the same unit with endless squealing. I'm going to check it tomorrow
@adobemastr
@adobemastr Жыл бұрын
Did you get the squealing stopped?
@altiemua6089
@altiemua6089 Жыл бұрын
@@adobemastr it broke down completely before I could , so I just replaced the motor sadly. But your tip was helpful
@edmalts
@edmalts Жыл бұрын
My motor fan is soooo rusty, it’s impossible to remove fan bc coil is in its way of pulling out. I have no choice but to oil from the outside or cut the shaft and pull it out lol
@lightning8385
@lightning8385 11 ай бұрын
How much does it cost to fix it?
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 11 ай бұрын
If you have to replace the motor, you can find them on Amazon, and have them shipped to you, which is what I did. They keep going up in price, and the last time I bought one of these motors, they were about $110 or so. I'm sure they've gone up in price since.
@lightning8385
@lightning8385 11 ай бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 alright thanks for letting me know
@3rdyellow
@3rdyellow Жыл бұрын
You don't need to take off the motor housing. Just put three drops of 3in1 Motor Oil (blue bottle) on either side of the motor right next to the housing, and then run it for one minute. Some oil work itself into the wick material inside, replenishing it. Do this at the start of every season. I guess manufacturers like Fasco removed the oil plug because consumers put too much oil inside, so, don't over do it! WD40 is okay, but it evaporates, and only use if the motor fails to move at all. If it doesn't move, WD40 lightly by being careful not to spray into the motor assembly inside, then oil with 3in1 Motor Oil after two days when WD40 would have evaporated.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
I tried that for years, and though in a pinch it might help a little bit, the oil is still unable to get into the bearings enough to do a thorough refresh of the bearing material. After trying your method for years and believing it would solve the problem, my motors still seized up. Out of desperation and replacing too many motors, I decided to take the unit apart-including the shroud-and then turned the motor vertically (or "up and down") so the oil would hopefully seep into the bearings that way (gravity feed). This still didn't work, but was certainly better than nothing. Finally, I bit the bullet and took the motor completely apart as shown in my video and did a complete and thorough job of re-oiling the bearings. And by the way, you NEVER use WD40 to oil your bearings! This will actually cause the motor to fail quicker because WD40 is not the proper kind of lubricant needed to refresh bearing material. There are informative videos on KZfaq which go into better detail and explanation than what I briefly stated and I encourage you to do the needed research on this. Many people, including myself at one time, thought using WD40 was a good idea to re-oil motors but I was mistaken. All this to say, the only way I discovered to properly re-oil these motors which do not have an oil port is to completely remove it from the RV and taking the motor itself apart to reveal the bearings. And one of the reasons I think the manufacturers removed the oil ports is obvious: RV owners like myself who rely on these kind of motors to run their AC units but cannot easily re-oil them mean those motors will burn out much quicker than if the manufacturers provided the critical oil ports and will need replacing with another motor. And that means the motor manufacturers are making a ton more money by selling these motors which they know WILL FAIL without the necessary re-oiling. The official term is "planned obsolescence." Thanks for your comment.
@godspeed2145
@godspeed2145 2 ай бұрын
If they have sleeve bearings, they are probably phosphor-bronz. These are supposed to be self lubricating!
@MissionaryForMexico
@MissionaryForMexico Жыл бұрын
This is the result of cheap motors without proper lubricated sealed oil bearings from GE motors!
@markteel8346
@markteel8346 Жыл бұрын
wonder if the bearing can be replaced with a sealed bearing
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
If someone could figure that out, that would be a game changer! And if you happen to be the one to figure this out, could you let us know with another comment on how you did it? Even better, make a video of it because many people would be helped by that. Thanks for the comment.
@markteel8346
@markteel8346 Жыл бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 might could take torn apart motor to a bearing store. would be my only guess. May try with mine. Going to replace one and repair one for a spare. Will let you know the outcome
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 Жыл бұрын
@@markteel8346 Mark, I did a little research prior to your comment; a Japanese company used to make these motors for RVs with sealed ball bearings in them. They were more expensive, but I certainly would've purchased one of them because I believe they had the oil ports also in them. Unfortunately, these motors are no longer made by this particular motor manufacturer in Japan. I don't see why if you took your existing motor to a bearing shop and they remove the end caps, why they could not press or insert or in someway replace those cheap sleeve bearings with a ball bearing. Again, your comment is so interesting and I hope you explore this idea and let me know. Thanks again.
@productandequipmentreviews7386
@productandequipmentreviews7386 11 ай бұрын
Someone just posted a new comment where they did exactly what you asked about: they replaced the sleeve bearings with ball bearings. He has a home machine shop and was able to do the work himself.
@markteel8346
@markteel8346 11 ай бұрын
@@productandequipmentreviews7386 Did he post a video?
@debo5-073
@debo5-073 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Great job
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