HOW TO: Peugeot 206 wishbone / ball joint

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Piggy Power

Piggy Power

5 жыл бұрын

In this how to video; a guide to replace your front suspension lower arm, wishbone, suspension control arm or whatever you want to call it! This includes the lower ball joint.
Specifically for a Peugeot 206...
However this type and method of replacement can be found/used on a number of Citroens and Peugeots....and even non french stuff!!!
I hope it proves helpful.
There are other methods and you may have other ways you prefer. That is fine. Just keep it safe!
Thank you for watching, all likes and subscribers are very much appreciated, all comments are read and replied to as soon as I can :-)
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@TheDangie1
@TheDangie1 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I had carried out ball joint change yesterday, couldn’t get ball joint in.....dumped the gearbox oil in the effort.Ended up removing arm again to consider options. Watched your video and hey presto 30 mins job done.... I was trying to lift hub against shocker with no success. I was levering but your technique was better... It was one of those days yesterday “ what a difference a day makes” Thanks for your help...
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Well done for trying at least! Kudos for not giving up 👌👍🐽💪
@CableWrestler
@CableWrestler 4 жыл бұрын
Mate I had that. Still not sure if the flipping shaft is in the box. I can't for the life of me get it back in fully. Said "fuck it" and left it. Been fine for the last 6 months
@mandydavis3737
@mandydavis3737 Жыл бұрын
I fully appreciate seeing the struggle! Makes me feel like I’m doing ok with my struggle! I might try to give it another go this weekend after I gave up with the struggle last weekend lol
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower Жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a battle. Having someone half helpful on the end of the bar while you fight the hub is very very key if you're struggling alone Have tea and biscuits on hand 👌
@free4all2
@free4all2 5 жыл бұрын
Good video. just did this job based on your video. Thanks. Took only 5 (!) hours for one control arm. These things are a pain!!!. To any weekend warrior reading this, I will recommend letting the mechanic deal with this. Swallow your pride and save your time. A few tips to those who attempt anyway: Make sure you have gearbox oil. The driveshaft WILL pop out. The balljoint will be pure rust and will not part from the hub as easily as seen on this or any youtube video. Consider buying a “wishbone lever”. This will help but be aware you must raise your car fairly high to use them. Buy at big chisel and cut the “chisel-shaft” in half. There won’t be enough room and a small chisel won’t spread the hub enough. Removing the outer tie-rod from the hub made it easier for me to slide the new control arm back in place. You will regret you began this job when trying to align the last bolt in the control arm. Keep trying. When popping the balljoint back in, it will pivot outwards and away from the hub. Keep trying with both a hammer and a jack. Eventually it will pop in place.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you had a tough time tbh... I've never popped a driveshaft out the box on a 206... It will never happen on driverside too due to design Well done for accomplishing it. I'd say the biggest trick with these is in fact a helper...! Make tea and give words of encouragement. These can be tricky (never heard of one taking 5hours mind) but sounds like you got the toughest of the lot!! Again, we'll done! 👌🐷💪
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Also, you shouldn't need much force to pop the ball joint back in... If you feel like it needs it, something isn't aligned right 👌
@karlryder4258
@karlryder4258 5 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, great video. I also did this over 3 sessions this weekend! I found that I needed a spring compressor to release the ball joint. I was working on the passenger side and the drive shaft did come out liberating the contents of the gearbox on the block paving. My wife was not happy. It sounds like this is more of a problem on the left side than the right. Something to be aware of. I also found it easier to release the tracked end.
@free4all2
@free4all2 5 жыл бұрын
Just an update as I did this on the other side.. The control arm did slide right in.. I took 2 hours where 1,5 hours was spent separating the balljoint from the hub.
@Andydiggs91
@Andydiggs91 3 жыл бұрын
@@free4all2 I had to surrender and put it back together again. Will pop it round to my friends garage and try again there with some professional help when needed. What a pain. Thanks for telling me i wasn't the only one who struggled. Horrible job to do at the side of your house!
@hipstarchild
@hipstarchild 5 жыл бұрын
I had an absolute nightmare trying to replace the lower arms last weekend. I had my bar in the wrong place and didn't even think about smashing a chisel between the bolt clamp. I just didn't have enough clearence to get the new wishbone to go under the knuckle. I did the near side with a struggle but the offside was worse. I managed to get the ball joint about 3/4 the way in and literally smashed the bolt through the knuckle and shearing the bolt threads. I've ordered new bolts and will follow the procedure in this awesome video. I wish I found this video before I started work in the car. Thanks for sharing. You will make my life a lot more easier now. !!
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Don't feel bad. They are a bit of a pig(!) to do. Hope the second attempt goes more smoothly! 👌🐷💪
@JohnSmith-vz8pc
@JohnSmith-vz8pc 3 жыл бұрын
See my comment for the easier way. Use coil spring compressors.
@hipstarchild
@hipstarchild 3 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-vz8pc I had to change a front wheel bearing last weekend and discovered a real easy way to remove the lower wishbone arm. I jacked up the front of the car a bit higher than I normally would and put axle stands underneath, then removed the wheel, then removed the track rod end and anti roll bar. Then put the long bar on top of the lower wishbone arm and under the sub frame....then pushed the bar down and at the same time, I pushed the knuckle inwards with my foot and this technique dislodges the lower wishbone arm from the knuckle.
@testingandtrackdays8651
@testingandtrackdays8651 5 жыл бұрын
Did a pair on a 206 cc 2 litre... real pain in the neck. Nice guide.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 🐷💪
@allandingwall6061
@allandingwall6061 3 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower v
@mikehopkinson862
@mikehopkinson862 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you. Currently in the middle of this job trying to get a 2001 206 back on the road after a 6 year park up!! Your tips are coming in really useful and the only bit I've struggled with was prising the ball joint out. Eventually attacked it from behind the wheel (stood by wing mirror for correct angle) and it's popped out no problem. Back to it now. Then cv boots and ABS rings!!!! No rest.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Well done 👌🐷💪
@mikehopkinson862
@mikehopkinson862 5 жыл бұрын
A quick tip to others......a quick rub of vegetable oil on the inside of the wishbone aperture where it's a tight squeeze for the arm bushes helped it slip right in and line up with very little messing about. Also jacking up the brake disc to compress the coil spring gave me a lot more room to play with. Hope this is of help.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
I may sometimes jack up the hub too, but I don't advise anyone with good level of experience to try this as it can end in misery and injury.
@joinerofficial
@joinerofficial 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for what you do. This really helped with the front suspension rebuild on my 2003 SW. Also your heater core and brake change videos were great. No more leaks and no more squeaking. Thanks for giving me the confidence to work on my own car. By the way these 206s are good, got almost 300k km on mine and we take it through some pretty rough roads on long trips.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Ace! So pleased to have helped you so much! What engine have you got? What country? Great to hear from people from other lands! 🐷💪
@joinerofficial
@joinerofficial 4 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower1.4 petrol and I'm an American living in Germany. When I needed some repairs, everyone told me I should've gotten a Golf. Interestingly enough, Pug parts are cheaper than VW here. Happy everything's running well.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, parts are massively cheaper, I've found easier to repair and actually no difference in reliability... Just how you look after them. Have fun!! 👍😁🐷💪
@josie670
@josie670 4 ай бұрын
Nice and easy for us to follow you as you navigate/fight the car to get important jobs done that can be done at home. Will be doing mine on my gti thank you 😅
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 ай бұрын
All the best! A mate, who weighs a bit, is handy to sit on the lever bar 👌🐷
@adamtomkins843
@adamtomkins843 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, a brilliant walkthrough! This video will be so useful once I finally get time to fix the steering issues on my pretty tired 206 after christmas
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
No worries! Hope it goes well, don't get too frustrated if things get difficult, these can be a real pig(!). Took me 2 minutes to slot one arm in and 15minutes the other side. If it does help, please subscribe 😊🐷💪
@neilhampson2843
@neilhampson2843 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, well explained . I did like the things you will need at the beginning.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Thankyou, great to have feedback. 👌 Please think about if you could subscribe...means a lot 😁 🐷💪
@mike130557
@mike130557 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Piggy! I’m just about to tackle this very job, to get my wife’s little red car through the dreaded MoT! Another video, here on YT, showed the extra process of removing the Hub Nut and withdrawing the whole Brake assembly from the Driveshaft. I really didn’t want to have to do that, so I will be following your excellent guide! Wish me luck👍🏻👍🏻
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah absolutely no reason to do all that extra work! Sometimes handy to jack up the antirollbar a few mm 😉👍🐷💪
@mike130557
@mike130557 3 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower thanks for the extra advice, piggy! The parts will arrive by the Saturday, so that’s my weekend sorted!!!
@JohnSmith-vz8pc
@JohnSmith-vz8pc 3 жыл бұрын
if you have them, it's aT16 socket for the top 12:10 it comes out easily to the REAR of the hub. Also, its MUCH easier to refit, if you use coil spring compressors, as the wishbone inner bushes are designed to sit flat with the suspension fully compressed (weight of car of the wheels) so it you measure the hub position before jacking, and then compress at least that much, the bottom of the hub won't be in the way (as you found) also, this doesn't strain the inner bushes so much on installation, and so they with last longer.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
I'm removing the arm here at 12:10...not a bolt or nut?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Also on the spring compressors, yes this is true, but I'm doing a guide for the average Joe here ..and 99/100 DIY mechanics havnt got spring compressors. All you say is true though
@stu7mill
@stu7mill 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant video! Thank you for such a great video helping me sort mine out! 😊👍
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 8 ай бұрын
Glad it helped 👍🐷
@damienreillymusic4056
@damienreillymusic4056 3 жыл бұрын
Great video very helpful thanks
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
No worries... Glad it helped. Thanks for taking the time to comment
@mox9307
@mox9307 3 жыл бұрын
Excelente trabajo. Saludos desde Argentina.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😃👍🐷💪
@michaelblack3429
@michaelblack3429 5 жыл бұрын
tip for some guys,,, buy new bolt and lock nut wen you buy your lower arm
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
That's not a bad idea... But then, if you treat the nut and bolt right, shouldn't be a need. . . Sometimes you can outprice a cheap job if you get every possible replaceable part.
@darthvalkyr
@darthvalkyr 2 жыл бұрын
The torx nuts where you use the grips; I find a 13mm spanner works great for holding them steady and undamaged ;)
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
That can depend on the quality of the spanner, 6 or 12 sided and the condition of the torx bolts. . . I have a number of tricks I use or tools but in a guide I have to think of the 999/1000 rather than just me.
@hurkankanat4426
@hurkankanat4426 2 жыл бұрын
Teşekkür ederim, dostum. Çok faydalı bir içerik. Tebrikler. İşin gücün rastgelsin...
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Sorry....can you translate to England talk? 🥺
@jochemboon3602
@jochemboon3602 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video man! I'd like to add some tricks I found useful: instead of a pipe, you can use a crowbar and put it against the steering ball. If the the ball joint pin of the wishbone has trouble coming out, you can try raising the hub with a jack and a piece of wood.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Never lever against the steering rack or arm/joint. You will damage or bend it for sure. They are weak on the 206 as it is. Jacking the hub can help as you've found but I wouldn't reccomdend it without knowing the experience of the DIY mechanic as it increases risk dramatically.
@user-go8tp2ib9m
@user-go8tp2ib9m 3 жыл бұрын
Хвала ти брате, Бог ти дао свако добро
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Eh?
@HullOneNineTwo
@HullOneNineTwo 4 жыл бұрын
Great vid! Thanks for the walkthrough. I've got it to do on my daughters 206. Nice to see what to expect. Thanks 👍
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
No worries, just take care with the n/s and pulling the shaft out the box. Be prepared for some sweating to drop that ball joint out too!! 👌👍
@NavigatEric
@NavigatEric 2 жыл бұрын
excellent. thank you.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
No problems 🐷😃👍
@robertromans8345
@robertromans8345 5 жыл бұрын
I find that removing the shaft from the hub gives me a little more movement to get the front E torx bolt out and I use a 13mm spanner instead of the grips on the E torx bolt. I have tried the method of undoing the 4 subframe bolts a bit to lower it down for more movement but when the captive nuts start spinning, you begin to wish you hadn't touched them. Have you started on the fmic yet?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Indeed this can help, but with the N/S it's likely the shaft can slip out the box and spill the oil. Plus most DIY mechanics won't have the tools to remove it... But it's true it can help. I find a spanner in the torx easily spins.... But if it works, it's not stupid 👍😆 🐷💪
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
FMIC this Xmas week. 👍
@lionatelier
@lionatelier 3 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I love your videos I live in Australia I have done the odd one or two lower control arm replacement, I used to be an Peugeot Mechanic. If you don’t mind me saying I used to release the tension on the 4 torx bolts that hold the k frame if you just lower them a little bit not totally just a little it will take the tension off the strut assembly enough to not make this job a painful experience.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is one way. However, for many DIY guys, and the age of the vehicles, this can result in nightmare problems, like snapped bolts in your chassis. Plus I always reccomdend supporting the car by the subframe not the sill when doing suspension work if at all possible
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Also...never mind anyone's added advice and support
@ljubisapavic
@ljubisapavic Жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower What would be a reason for supporting the car by the subframe instead of Peugeot recommended sill?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower Жыл бұрын
@@ljubisapavic if you've hacked the car up on the jacking point on the sill.... You can't then place a stand on the same spot. Plus it can add some stability, esp if your sills are worse for wear or you have corrosion in them
@emsbikestories2491
@emsbikestories2491 5 жыл бұрын
Got quoted £370 to change these on both sides on my 206.. If I can't do it myself based on this tutorial she's going to scrap, no pressure Piggy! (oh, btw I've never done any work on a car, besides changing a tyre). I'll let you know how it went!
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Go for it! Message the Piggypower page if you get stuck... Allow a couple hours per side if it's all rusted and seized
@emsbikestories2491
@emsbikestories2491 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower couldn't get the second bush to line up (the one you struggled with). bashed the wishbone in for over 2 hours and it didn't move an inch! lowered car back down to try again tomorrow and drive shaft went - car scrapped! Atleast, I still tried tho :/
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
@@emsbikestories2491 if after a few minutes of bashing it won't go .. there will be a reason, jack the wishbone up a little to get it level, get a lever in there to help pull it into place... Think outside the box a little. What do you mean by the "driveshaft went"?!
@emsbikestories2491
@emsbikestories2491 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower ran out of time after 5 hours 🤣 put it back down to park it very slowly and both wheels went opposite ways and the shaft broke. It's scrapped already, but i at least gave it a try. 0 previous experience
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Broke the shaft? 😮 Wow. Never seen anyone manage that! Wish you had messaged the Piggypower FB page... Could have lent some advice across the web! Whereabouts are you?
@michielzwanenburg3601
@michielzwanenburg3601 2 жыл бұрын
Piggy Power great video! But do you know if it is possible on a Peugeot 206 to replace just the ball joint itself as I cannot find information about that anywhere? With this video I could probably manage to replace the entire wishbone but only if that is the only option. (Would hate to mess up with the driveshaft..)
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
They are part of the wishbone. Easiest thing is replace the arm.
@alexbowie6316
@alexbowie6316 3 жыл бұрын
Going to do a 03 plate 1.4 auto for daughter. Are driveshafts the same and the dangers of them popping out?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex Driveshafts aren't the same... But they will have the same danger of popping out if not careful 👍🐷💪
@bachng3453
@bachng3453 4 жыл бұрын
the torque setting is 11 daNm for the two rear bolts and 4 daNm for the ball joint :)
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
That's if the bolts were brand new and never used before....! Also I've never used daNm before... Is it as simple as X10 for NM?
@bachng3453
@bachng3453 4 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower I just x10 the daNm to get Nm :) Are you saying old bolts should be tightened less or more?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Depends how many times theyve been used, the condition and length of stretch... Which is why while torque settings are great for new bolts, I generally find experience and feel for how tight a bolt needs to be is the way forward... A difficult thing to teach/explain though.
@KENTYtv
@KENTYtv 3 жыл бұрын
The Haynes Workshop Manual says: "lower arm mounting bolts 141 Nm (104 lbf ft)" which is different from your 11 daNm which is only 110 Nm when converted. So different sources giving different torque settings? However the lower arm balljoint clamp bolt setting given is the same "40 Nm (30 lbf ft)" or 4 daNm
@Davesarsenal
@Davesarsenal 2 жыл бұрын
Hi PP, just changed os arm, did you have any problems with the ns arm regarding the rear bolt fouling on the brake lines on the chassis leg when trying to remove it as it looks close to them.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Nope, not at all
@Davesarsenal
@Davesarsenal 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower Thanks for replying, the bolts and arm actually came out a lot easier than the os. Your video helped a lot so thanks again.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
No worries ☺️ 🐷💪
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan Жыл бұрын
Hello , is this a set change , or can you change 1 wishbone individually ?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower Жыл бұрын
Unless you feel the need, just change the one if only the one needs changing 👌🐷
@ademmohammed5950
@ademmohammed5950 2 ай бұрын
thank you!
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 ай бұрын
You're welcome! 😀👍🐷
@volt8684
@volt8684 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, i follow your site and my daugnter has a 206. I did the heater matrix seals using your site. Not cured. Do u know if there are bulkhead drains. I can find 207 306 etc but not 206. Wandering if has one is blocked. Thanks if you can help
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Work your way up with a leak...also worth smelling and feeling the fluid, coolant is quite a distinctive smell and greasey to the touch. Check door seals. Pretty common. Under scuttle can fill up too
@volt8684
@volt8684 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower thanks
@ArronAdams1990
@ArronAdams1990 5 жыл бұрын
Tried doing this on the passenger side side and it did what you said about spilling gearbox oil oil over the place, i pushed it back in and it stopped leaking am worried I'v disturbed something or not put it back in properly, i got the new wishbone in place but couldn't line up the ball joint end to the hub so gave up and put the old wishbone back in which went back in easy because the bushes shit to bits it offered back up easily, every time i went to line up the ball joint it would spill gear oil, any tips?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there... A friend to keep the hub pushed in helps... Also having it at the right angle. If you haven't a friend to keep pressure on the hub face, something else you can try is undoing the big hub nut and knocking the shaft through a bit, thus stopping the shaft coming out. . . Keep at it, they are tricky.
@CableWrestler
@CableWrestler 4 жыл бұрын
I used a rachet strap round the shock and the subframe to hold it in on the driver's side... I dropped the gearbox oil on my first attempt on the passenger side. I filled it back up again using the breather on top of the gearbox. Might be worth doing a video guide on this last bit if you haven't already.
@System0054
@System0054 6 ай бұрын
Instead of the grip for the trx of the arms, i suggest you to use a 13mm, either with a socket or with the same kind of key you used to hold the 17mm of the ball joint, it does the work easier!
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 6 ай бұрын
You'll likely round off a 13mm pretty easily with these torx heads. You can get proper spanners for them tbh but most people have a pair of vicegrips in their tool box 👍🐷😁
@WorivpuqloDMogh
@WorivpuqloDMogh 2 жыл бұрын
I have a terrible rattle on my 206. Think i am gonna do a full rebuild on the suspension this summer lol Front and rear. Idk what could cause rattle on the rear.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Rear could be, the boot catch, spare wheel/cage, exhaust or the rear axle. Hopefully one of the cheap ones for you! Fronts is usually anti roll bar links. Cheap and easy
@trevorlarge8440
@trevorlarge8440 2 жыл бұрын
Have you known for ball joint not to clear, with arm levered down to full travel, was told to lower engine bed 25mm leaving bed bolt's in then ball joint clears housing.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Presume "engine bed" is the subframe? It may well assist but just be super careful. I find most who have the issue your describing don't have the car up high enough for a big enough bar to lever down. They can be really really tricky sometimes 👍🐷👌
@TheLeodraguia
@TheLeodraguia 3 жыл бұрын
Where I can find the idle sensor on peugeot 206 cc 1.6 2003? Please can you help?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
There's is no "idle sensor" ... I expect you mean something else? 🤔
@bigpimp347
@bigpimp347 2 жыл бұрын
so.. 206 1.4 sport (same car is it ?) what is the difference between the two wishbones listed ?? how do you know you have the right one ??
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Sport is just a spec. Nothing sporty about it. So one type is the GTi. The other for everything else 👍👌🐷
@bigpimp347
@bigpimp347 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower i know has a bigger ball joint, 18mm ?? other is 15mm but such hard work as the car is a 1.4 sport 16v 2ac so pretty much basic with a few jazzy bits on it, but what the heck is the difference in the wishbones, apart from about £25..
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not aware the ball joints are different sizes as you can fit GTi wishbones to a non GTi afaik
@bigpimp347
@bigpimp347 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower i think all it is is the bushes are different quality, light duty and stiffer for the sport.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, hence why one type is for the GTi. Less comfort. More control.
@salebasket
@salebasket 2 жыл бұрын
Should I drain the gearbox oil first?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Only if you intend to pull the driveshaft out!
@AfjeerOf
@AfjeerOf 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t get the tie rod end bolt off it just keeps spinning by itself. I’ve tried to use the trolley jack to lift the underneath of the tie rod end and the bolt does loosen but then just gets stuck. Any advice?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
I don't recall always having to remove the track rod end to do the wishbone... Are you replacing the TRE ?
@AfjeerOf
@AfjeerOf 4 жыл бұрын
No I’m only replacing the wishbone, but I find it almost impossible to do with the tie rod in the way.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Really? I don't think I've ever found a need to remove the TRE to do a lower wishbone. I hate doing more work than ever necessary! If the joint is spinning, it may be worn. To remove it though, I'd suggest nipping it back up and cleaning up the threads like they were new and inspecting them to check none are damaged. If damaged, file them straight and try again. If damaged beyond repair, new TRE and cut the damaged threads off. 👌🐷💪
@AfjeerOf
@AfjeerOf 4 жыл бұрын
I was finally able to do it without removing the TRE, yet I still need to replace it as it is not in very good condition.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
One step at a time... Well done with the wishbone.... Realise every victory outright 👌 🐷💪
@wesleyparry1027
@wesleyparry1027 2 жыл бұрын
Looking to change them on mine, since I can't seen to find an annoying intermittent steering vibration that I get, I've balanced my wheels (They are centreless versions of the wheels on yours and can be annoying to balance) and have Bridgestone Turanza's all round so the tyres aren't out of shape. Had a new o/s driveshaft since the spring in the joint was snapped and causing an annoying ticking. But other than that can't seem to find any other problems with the suspension other than the bushings that are mounted on the subframe are really perished, and they appear to be original, hopefully I'll be able to do it on the floor 😅
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Steering vibration under what circumstances? Any inner rack play (super common on the 206)
@wesleyparry1027
@wesleyparry1027 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower I’ve changed the inner tie rods and track rod ends since they were seized and made wheel alignment nearly impossible. It seems to shake intermittently and especially noticeable on rougher roads and I seem to feel like I can feel every imperfection in the road, I thought it could be the something related to the strut assembly but there’s no weeping from the shocks and the springs are in good nick. I work for a garage and my manager has driven the car and claims it’s just the age of the car but it’s only cropped up this year
@wesleyparry1027
@wesleyparry1027 2 жыл бұрын
Also there is a little play in the rack but not anything unusual for a car if it’s age, I’ve check the steering fluid level and It’s right, put the power steering pump is a little noisy at slow speeds but that’s just a characteristic it’s had since owning it
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
Should be any "play" in the rack if the inner joints are new. Intermittent shaking is odd. Very odd.
@wesleyparry1027
@wesleyparry1027 2 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower I wouldn’t necessarily say the shaking is ‘intermittent’ I should have worded it a little better 😂 sometimes it’s minor and doesn’t feel too bad and on some roads it’s almost like the balancing is out and at especially lower speeds like in town and it’s particularly bad
@johnson36herbalife
@johnson36herbalife 2 жыл бұрын
which torx is up on bolt on wiishbone?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
You'll either need to follow my suggestion and use vicegrips or need torx spanner set. As you can't get sockets in there
@karensharples9374
@karensharples9374 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for a great walk through, you made it look pretty simple, let you know how simple when the other half changes mine....will get the swear tin ready though.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you.... All the best... Copious mugs of tea and he'll be fine 👌 🐷💪
@karensharples9374
@karensharples9374 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower We managed it after a lot of grunting and farting, we worked well as a team, the ball joints were a bit of a bugger but both survived.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
To be fair... If I had a helper nearby I'd be asking them to stand on the lever bar... They can be really tricky at times. But be thankful they are 407 lower arms!! 😆😋
@JuanPabloContrerasC
@JuanPabloContrerasC 5 жыл бұрын
really helpfull. Il' do this job at the end of this month, thx so much, big hug from chile :D
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Me alegro de que te ayude, gracias por comentar y tus amables palabras, diviértete, mantente seguro 🐷💪
@JuanPabloContrerasC
@JuanPabloContrerasC 5 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower and u speak spanish? wow... u are awesome :D
@ronvalente65
@ronvalente65 3 жыл бұрын
well done! life would be a lot easier with a ramp!! LOL
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Totally... But then, 99.99999999% of people who go to KZfaq for help are not going to have one
@joki6395
@joki6395 4 жыл бұрын
i did remove it and transmission oil came out, is that a huge problem? can i just fill it up and keep going?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Need to keep driveshaft pushed in...can be tricky... Replace what you lose 👌
@joki6395
@joki6395 4 жыл бұрын
im doing the left side right novv, alot of oil has came out vvhere the driveshaft goes in the transmission. Do i need to do anything, or can i just push it in and fill up transmission oil?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
@@joki6395 as above, top up what you lose.
@joki6395
@joki6395 4 жыл бұрын
or has something come apart inside the transmission? it doesnt leak oil if its pushed in.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
@@joki6395 why would something have come apart inside?
@CableWrestler
@CableWrestler 4 жыл бұрын
Try pushing the arm down to get the ball joint in the hub when you've just fitted Poly Bushes on the arm 😂😂 I had to put the joint in the hub first, jack the arm and strut up and swing the arm in the subframe.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 4 жыл бұрын
Poly bushes should make it easier, they are designed to allow less strain/tension on the suspension (spring/damper)... Essentially less unsprung tension the less work the damper and spring need to do. A bigger bar and friend also always helps ...leverage is king
@JuanIgnacio22
@JuanIgnacio22 3 ай бұрын
Hmm, the eternal dispute... after watching, should I try this or leave it to a pro? 😅
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 ай бұрын
Do that yeah. The first one. Or the second. Depends how good you are with decisions
@rinko123gtg9
@rinko123gtg9 Жыл бұрын
don't forget you're doing this every year
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower Жыл бұрын
Am I? I've never had to do it twice on any 206 I've owned or worked on. Fit cheap parts expect expensive failures.
@rinko123gtg9
@rinko123gtg9 Жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower for me it's bad roads and maybe cheap parts
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower Жыл бұрын
@@rinko123gtg9 we have awful roads round here, esp the one to our home... Drop links are a regular replacement thing, every couple years I find. But not lower arms. Try some Delphi or meyle ones
@rinko123gtg9
@rinko123gtg9 Жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower thanks for the info. Next year I will try them but i doubt it gonna be better on gravel road
@gazkennedy9584
@gazkennedy9584 3 жыл бұрын
Doing this now, the only issue I have is the torx and 21mm bolts are the opposite way round on my car lol, I've had to resort to, pinching the nut with molegrips and then using an adapter on a wheel brace to undo the torx, it's slow going haha
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Someone's obviously been in there before! At least you're undoing them! 👌🐷💪
@gazkennedy9584
@gazkennedy9584 3 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower Hello, me again, I've ran into another problem, I've got the new wishbone in and the 2 bolts with the bushes done up, and I have the ball joint in the sleeve, the problem is the 'bolt' on the new ball joint is a bit thicker than the old one, so there's a bit slightly blocking the hole, and the bolt I took out doesn't have a cut out or squared off bit, it's just round. So any suggestions? My guess was just to hammer it as hard as I could lol but thought I'd try asking first
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
If the ball joint shaft is ACTUALLY bigger, then it's the wrong one. Most likely is it's just a tight fit. It shouldn't be easy to get in, little tap to line up the slot is 100% normal.
@gazkennedy9584
@gazkennedy9584 3 жыл бұрын
@@PiggyPower Well I hope its not the wrong one after getting it in lol, is it normal that my bolt doesn't have a slot in it? I remember having the same issue when I did the other side, but my brother managed to get it through last time, I'll try again tomorrow with day light and fresh eyes
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
If your bolt had a slot in it...the bolt would be useless and allow the ball joint to fall out!!! The bolt goes through the slot in the ball joint to prevent it sliding up/down in the hub.
@Daedalus_UK
@Daedalus_UK 5 жыл бұрын
thought you were going to split some rubber a few times.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Skillz yo 😆🐷💪
@jbgaud
@jbgaud 5 жыл бұрын
Hi, I have a 206 xs 1.6 16v with 260 k on the clock and 16 years, I've changed the lower control arm twice. This is a clear weak point of this car. Beware the rear axle is even worst especially on the SW models. check also the front anti roll bar, they usually failed with the lower control arm. chopped, mad : MCM fan ???
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
260k and 16yrs and two lower arms.... Only 2? Seems VERY good to me! I find cheap arms also fail sooner than premium or genuine Peugeot items. All the rear axles are just as bad as each other....bashing the rear wheels are usually the issue, that and a lot of salt roads. Never ever seen a failed anti roll bar. 100% MCM old school fan. Their newer stuff I've found not as good as original but still love them. Watched from the beginning. Inspired me doing my channel. Thanks for watching and commenting 🐷💪👍
@jbgaud
@jbgaud 5 жыл бұрын
​@@PiggyPower For the specific parts I prefer Peugeot genuine parts, more expensive but most of the time more reliable. for the rear axle, i've have the problem : the swing arm bearings failed and disintegrate. there is no way to put grease on them. The only solution is to change bearings and shaft or the complete rear axle. For the anti roll bar, my mistake, it's the anti roll bar link. I saw on your video you've already done it. thanks for your grate job, it's inspire me to work on my old 206. I've just discover your channel , and I really like it. it's between MCM and "The south main auto"
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
The anti roll bar drop link is super common on EVERY car on the road. I replace them regularly on all my customers vehicles. Just be thankful they are cheap and easy to do on a 206! As regards rear axle .. consider; you won't have needed to replace ANY drop links, bushes or arms on the rear suspension since the car was new. Admittedly it's £200-300 for a refurbed/rebuilt rear axle when it happens... But spread that over the miles/years... Much cheaper than independent suspension setups from other companies like BMW/Mercedes/Audi/Ford where the arms/bushes and joints are horrendous to replace and expensive and fail more than once in the cars lifetime. . . You could call it a weak spot and it is something to look out for on aged 206/306 cars... But I don't think it's weak when you consider the age, the work it's done, the cost over time to fix Vs other vehicles and that it's fully independent suspension... Way ahead of other companies making small hatches 👍🐷💪
@joshclugston
@joshclugston 5 жыл бұрын
I wanted to do this on my 206 but sold it before I got the chance, I miss my 206 😭😭 tbh not really I love my 208
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Times move on.... What bits would you say are better and worse when comparing the 206/208?
@joshclugston
@joshclugston 5 жыл бұрын
Piggy Power the German engine (bmw and psa) 😂😂 and small steering wheel quite nippy for a 1.2 but then again the 206 is nippy too. And easier to work on as bolts are not rusted too much
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting feedback... Anything you think the 208 lacks over the 206?
@joshclugston
@joshclugston 5 жыл бұрын
Piggy Power it only being 3 cylinder over the 4 on the 206, so Torque is lacking a wee bit. Just found out there’s a recall on my engine imbalance on the crankshaft. Found this out when buying parts at the Peugeot dealership
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 5 жыл бұрын
Hope they will do recall for you!
@darekw325
@darekw325 2 жыл бұрын
👍 Darek POLAND
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
👍🐷
@jmileshc
@jmileshc 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, really great content. 95nm for the two bolts, 65nm for the pinch bolt. I watched this for those figures. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9R-q5uU3b7Odmg.html there's also another 10 Mon fix & the gentleman takes the steering joint off to allow more freedom.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 2 жыл бұрын
I find taking the TRE off makes it more difficult as the hub just flops around. Fine if you've got another set of hands. But on your own, very hard... And it often results in pulling the shaft out more easily too = gearbox oil everywhere
@amboss594
@amboss594 3 жыл бұрын
Der Kommentar ist nicht semantisch geladen, sondern unterstützt nur das Video und den Autor des Kanals.
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 жыл бұрын
Say what now?
@jasonpascoe6989
@jasonpascoe6989 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely horrible to work on!
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 8 ай бұрын
Some do struggle. Compared to modern multlink modern cars, it's simple and easy to work on, trust me! 👍🐷
@tuomasheikkinen9251
@tuomasheikkinen9251 3 ай бұрын
​@@PiggyPowerI don't know if you still read comments but we are stuck on 6:02. The ball won't come off like it does for you in 6:11. I even jumped on the bar and I have tried to widen the gap above with a chisel in order for it to loosen but it has not been helping. There are noticeable gaps between the chisel part and the ball bearing part and I mean the part where that knob connects to the hole. I also tried to adjust the brake disc assembly height-wise up and down but it didn't help either. If it is of importance, the ball joint is in somewhat different angle compared to the brake disc assembly. Is there anything else we could do? Heat that up with a flame breather?
@PiggyPower
@PiggyPower 3 ай бұрын
@@tuomasheikkinen9251 have another person or some weight on the long bar... My bar there is about 5 foot long... A jack with a little pressure upward on the bottom of the ARB bar .. push inwards on the hub (towards the engine) ...smack the lower arm with a big hammer. (Try all that after loads of freeing oil and tapping the joint back in and out of the hub a few times to ensure it's moving freely)
@tuomasheikkinen9251
@tuomasheikkinen9251 3 ай бұрын
@@PiggyPower many thanks for the answer!!! Will update how it went tomorrow.
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