Anyone who makes a spreadsheet deserves a subscription.

got into double special a few days ago, it feels so good to not have to farm heavy ammo for half an hour before a damage phase and it gives a lot more options for weapon combos that do real damage edit : well r.i.p.

it's worth mentioning that if you're low on special ammo when running double special, simply get a few kills with your heavy. Like, really few, you're pretty much guaranteed a green brick within the first 5 kills, and considering just how much heavy ammo you get with double special it's usually well worth it.

Just a heads up the reckoning shotgun and the new iron banner fusion rifle both roll with Discord which allows you infinite special ammo as long as you switch back and forth thus making double specials more efficient. Discord is truly an S-Tier perk when used the right way.

I think part of why the Exotic Primary + Special is as high as it is, beyond the normal "it makes sense," is that Wish-Ender and Malfeasance right now are absolute monsters and are doing special weapon levels of damage without the ammo limitations. These are honestly some of the only primary weapons that ever end up in my loadouts because they're just too damn good.

Should get paid for doing this kind of work

The value of Riptide is insane. Borderline an exotic in disguise lol

Double special feeds you heavy - but heavy kills also feed you special. Destiny seems to give you ammo much more frequently if it's not the gun you're using. If you have a heavy that can also be used on ads, that can help give you green, so you can then use that and go back to making purple. There are a few activities where you burn through so much ammo that double special can be tricky but not many.

Also side note, using double special and low-ish on ammo, if you get a kill with your heavy there is ALMOST a guaranteed chance of getting some special.

woah you put so much work into your testing, I'm really hoping you get the success and interaction with these videos that you deserve!!

damn, i'm not even 2 minutes in and you make the game sound like work, good job, destiny-scientist

Great video, one thing that i have experienced is that if I’m running double specials and need special ammo. I just equip my heavy and kill something with my melee. It spawns special ammo. If i need heavy simply equip special weapon and kill something with a melee and it drops ammo every time whenever it is needed

Oh snap, I was actually wondering the data for double the specials today after seeing a couple fellow titans rocking conditional finality with a tracer and seemingly not having any ammo issues. Thanks a ton for the data, you deserve loads of subs for this!

Since they made the switch to abilities having better uptime and it's a lot easier to stun champions It's been a hot minute since I used a primary ammo weapon.

You are doing the destiny gods work, thank you for this spread sheet man.

i love how we treating ammo economy and generation like a research topic for a thesis. got to applaud the effort and this was quite informative, nice video mate

Been running double special since early Lightfall, and gotta say, it is amazing. I personally still use finders, so I can also throw on a scout mod for my team, but it's good to know that I can be more fluid in my load out. Personally dying for Destiny to add a legendary kinetic/strand/stasis trace so I can use an energy exotic, but even with a slightly restricted loadout with traces in the special, being a lightshow with freakin laser beams is always fun. Anyway, thanks for doing the work and collecting the data. The Destiny community never fails to amaze me with the spreadsheet proficiency.

The dedication and time it took to make this weapon mush have been insane. Good video

I actually get value out of the finders, cuz i main wish ender, the exotic primary thats actually a special. bricks galore

This is enlightening and changes my entire approach to theorycrafting.

Great stuff!! I think ammo and primaries need to be the next system that Bungie does a serious balance pass over. Something as fundamental as ammo, shouldn't feel so arcane that we need in depth explanations.

So I rock a Heavy Ammo Finder mod. Good to know that special weapons are next to useless in getting that bonus to proc. Also good to know that exotic primaries don't have the god-tier boost to Heavy drops that the description alludes to.

Thank you very much for this data I can now fully optimise my builds knowing I'm not being affected negatively by not using these mods 👏 Subed

dude seriously these data videos of answering random thoughts we have when playing the game and coming to definitive conclusions are GODSENDS, thank you for doing em

I think an area that a majority of specials lack that make it unappealing to most is range. You can use a sniper sure, but in pve most people are not gonna use one. I think the best double special for raids and dungeons would hands down be witherhoard with a trace rifle

Double special truely is amazing. I enjoy where the meta is at in that regard

Whenever I do daily bounties and farm them in Lost Sectors, I get ONE heavy ammo with heavy ammo finder mod equipped. But when I unequip them, I instantly get two bricks of 6! Thanks Bungoo!

Been using double special since season of the haunted. It really is the best way... I never run out of ammo in dungeons.... Seriously when I run around, after a damage phase or 2, there will be like 5-6 spare heavy bricks around.... Green bricks there'd be nearly 20 lol. It's insane.

Amount of effort to do this deserves a sub

I've only recently started running double special loadouts and yeah, the ammo economy is pretty wild. I never run out of heavy and rarely run out of special ammo

The main situation, after watching this video, I see lumina being used the most in dps settings. The damage boost provided is easy to get and is the highest buff multiplier in the game

I had been waiting for someone to put the numbers together on this. Thanx you!

underrated d2 yter. amazing work!

Data science! Awesome work! You get my sub!

A whole almost 10 minute video to point out double special is the way to go 😂. Either way thanks for the raw numbers, it’s always lovely to see the stats spread out.

You are an absolute legend. Amazing spreadsheet

Thanks for this! Ammo was always a concern and icouldnt give up my mods!

Basically why I always use double special especially when running an ability focused build, though until now I never had hard data to backup my observations.

I would love to see a video on the special ammo economy too.

I can tell a huge amount of effort went into making this. Never come across your channel before but ive just subscribed ❤️

Wow, this was info I really needed that I haven't heard many people talk about.

Seems like if you intend to rock a primary weapon at all the most you should ever allocate toward ammo mods is 1 scavenger and 1 finder, and ONLY if you're using low capacity weapons like Rockets. Assuming you can afford to slot them in.

God damn this is comprehensive. Thx man

Your dedication to this test is incredible. Thank you for doing the hard work for the benefit of us all

Spreadsheet and timestamps, bro is goated for that

So basically what i got out of this is that my double special build is being hindered by using scavenge mods. Thats very interesting and really good to know.

Man I was missing watching some videos with hard data like this. Love it

Thia is great info, definitely earned the sub. Too bad the servers are always offline

Bro, this must have taken forever to put together, and anyone who puts this much effort in definitely gets a sub from me. I'm definitely stuck in my exotic primary/special loadout and am so uncomfortable with the double special but it looks like I need to get over it because I never see heavy bricks now. Very well done video my friend.

We all need to stop drawing attention to just how beneficial double special is or bungo will shut it down!

All this testing and spreadsheets stuff deserves a sub 🙂

The osrs osts goes hard with the spreadsheets

this is a very good video, i love the hard data videos much more than the typical "this build melts everything" because these types of videos often explain how and why those builds work.

i married to the idea of the double special, but since I just came back after 3 years during lightfall, Im already lacking variety of trace rifles. Q_Q

Thank you so damned much man ! I know I'm late to the party but your hard work has completely changed my loadouts... I can finally run double surge mods and double siphon mods too ! I am sorry to ask, but did you do any testing with Reserve Mods yet ? Do you know if they are worth using too ? Thanks in advance !

You, sir, had me at "Data-Driven Videos".

Been using double special for around 1 year after I discovered the difference in the economy. Thank you for sharing this. That's a hell of a lot of work. And it's very useful for new guardians! Subscribed.

This is unfortunately outdated now. Double special has been nerfed and everyone is sad now.

Great video homie gl in the future ones 😊

Thanks for the numbers.

time stamps, spreadsheet, numbers across the board, super organized, you are already my new favorite youtuber

Bro made a spreadsheet. This deserves a boost! 👊

That's a ton of effort Great work! Instant like + comment+ subscribe

Double special is 100% the play, I like to use the cenotaph mask on warlock with prometheus lens to substitute for my primary: - It has a base inventory size of 100 (holds 600 total, including the loaded mag) which allows for slightly more ammo to be picked up per brick, lasting longer. - It has an AoE attack and also incandescent - It has decent single-target thanks to applying scorch over time for ignitions, also giving it anti-unstoppable capabilities. I could see hollow denial being excellent too due to having the lead from gold perk available on it, here's a quick breakdown: - Enhanced Killing Tally + Enhanced Battery grants 104 mag size. - 2x Void Reserves mods will get you to 100 inventory size. - The above 2 combined results in a total ammo count of 624 - Enhanced Lead From Gold grants you 35% of your special weapon's total ammo count upon heavy brick pickup. (halved if you have 2 weapons with lead from gold equipped) - Per heavy brick pickup, you will get 219 ammo. Or more than 2 full clips, which is crazy. Then there is just generic good synergy between killing tally and cenotaph mask. Oh God now I have to go try this. Great video you earned yourself a subscription!

just using a harmonic scavenger has gone much better for me

I think I used double special every once in a while way back when, but honestly I was having too much fun with primaries like Sunshot, Riskrunner, Night Watch, Bad News, Nature of the Beast, etc. And I eventually forgot about it. But this video is excellent, and I'm glad it's out there!

If I'm going to use double special, I always opt out the ammo finder and scout mods. I just use heavy weapon to spawn a special ammo and I'll use special weapon to get heavy ammo.

Bungee: due to increased ammo drop from special weapons we’ve decided to nerf damage from rockets

You said spreadsheet and I said YES.

Ammo finders only proccing for weapon kills and not ability kills is something which is extremely obvious in hindsight. How did I never notice that my solar hammer simply was not dropping the finder bricks, only the normal ones? Guess I get to rethink some of my builds.

There is also an internal cooldown for Heavy Bricks and Special Bricks. Changing load zones (ie running out to reset a lost sector, assuming no one in the open world kills an enemy that drops a brick when you enter that world state), then re-entering a load zone after 30-40 seconds will engage special ammo guarantee on kill, up to 2x on first kill when 0 special equipped, and 1x heavy brick when no heavy in slot. When running double special and heavy, doing the same thing will net you same results with 1-2 bricks/kill + possibility of 3x total bricks (2x special + 1x heavy) from that mob.

Great video man. Got a new follower after this one.

Ty so much for the spreadsheet

Good pace, informative and there is a spreadsheet, you sir get a like and a subscribe!

Subbed. I LOVE seeing raw numbers like this. Thank you for your hard work!

Been hooked on Izanagis plus a wave gl as my double special loadout for a little bit now and its great for dmg and ammo economy. I use a gl with lead from gold so im never without ammo

Very nicely done! Excellent work. Got to find your 🎣 video. I hope it's as sensible as this one. I'm tired of the fish exploit videos. There are no tricks that I could find. I catch an exotic fish about every 100 casts ,legendary every 25. So ..casting 250 times in one session I'll average 2 to 3 exotic fish, 8 to 10 legendary fish, and the rest are Zavala's cat food. Fishing is a really time-consuming activity. Grind for hours for the bait, then an hour to fish to find bungie holds back fish from the pond. Cod duello's have just returned after 3 weeks. I admit I've lost precious little pieces of bait too to either nodding off and pressing X too soon,or because a Gaurdian decided to cast their super into the pond out of frustration or in hopes that it'll help yield an exotic.

This is a lot of work, and incredibly useful information. Great video, and thanks for sharing your insight with the community. I'm definitely dropping those mods from a few of my load outs.

Damn, that quite a bit of subscriber growth

This is excellent data. I just got an amazing Stornghold and working on some good sword builds. I saw where glaive with sword is helpful and this data kind of adds to it. Time to try out double special in my sword build. 👍

very underrated, you have earned your 350th sub my friend :)

Well that explains my problem with ammo, at least the heavy ammo anyways when running double special but I some h keep running out of special like 80% of the time in any activity

Hello sir, the way you grind has led me to think you were once on the lands of gielinor

Basically he said if you don’t use double special you should but tbh nah use what you want

I think one thing to take into account with the math with group content with finders is scout mods. Which from this video I am completely convinced that finders are 100% not worth unless you are using scout mods. I know that double special created more heavy I did not know that it was THIS much more.

100% EARNED a sub from me! I kinda knew this info from 10khrs in D2 but to see the raw data is fantastic! Thank you for the spreadsheet! I have some double special users in my Clan who say special ammo spawns more using double specials, so I need to share it with them and smile at their misconceptions when we have been arguing over me saying it makes more Heavy! HA THANK YOU FOR THE VALIDATION! GG Pterodactyl!

i honestly only use 1 heavy finder and thats it

Damn man. Respect the grind for numbers. Worth a like and sub.

Glad this was suggested, great presentation. Love the dedication to data driven conclusions. I hit the 👍button for more Ammo I Subbed also, so more Glimmer? 💠

Good video. I like the data. You earned a sub.

LOL I absolutely love this data. Usually the only primary slot weapon I will ever have on has kinetic tremors, headstone, or demolitionist depending on build, but if I'm in content that has champs, 99% of the time I'm running riptide, yet i still put on a primary in my energy slot. I do have some God roll lead from gold hollow denials, forbearance, but i get ammo anxiety lmao😅

Got my sub! I didn’t learn much from this that I didn’t already know but I learned a bit and it’s an absolutely amazing video! I hope you keep making content and keep doing this well!

Buuuut there is also a very unique game setting that reduces drops. Base easy content gives heavy galore, while harder content spawns significantly less. Source 2700hrs of Destiny.

Damn i been sleeping on double special all this time

So I would assume, things that have less ammo but big damage benefit more from the finder mods, as you have rockets getting the higher increase, so: Rockets, grenade launchers, linears, swords, mgs.

Hearing osrs music while listening to this WHILE PLAYING OSRS is messing with my head

Excellent video, love to see a data driven approach instead of operating on vibes and clickbait

I just don't personally enjoy double special loadouts. Just haven't found that pairing that I like yet. Mostly because I enjoy sweet business too much.

Recently tried running double specials, wondering how exactly it worked. I think I found your video before trying it, but only watched it afterwards. That said, it's good to hear the math on the subject, and maybe this might become more common loadout for me.

Don’t forget that chaining melees and grenades spawns a hella ton of heavy.