Edit: This has been tested now by many people since upload, and 95% get the exact same results. There seems to be a couple who claim this does not work for them - maybe they had differnt difficulty, or older version - I don't know. After searching for ages on many forums and asking many modders, it turns out everyone was wrong. XD Still cannot believe I was the one to discover this, and after all this time. Hope you Enjoyed. Please feel free to Subscribe and Share. : )

Gods I hate the Senate even before they told me to kill my faction leader.

How to start the civil war on turn one: 1. Edit files to make the SPQR playable 2. start a game as the SPQR 3. Instant battle royale in Italy 4. Have your game crash when you press the senate button, offices button, or any random button because the senate is unstable.

The government watching this because it has “how exactly to start civil war” in the title

unfair Ceaser only needed Gaul to become outlaw...

I love how I’ve been playing this game since release and I’m still learning new things about it 15 years later 🤯

Everyone, try’s to figure out how to start the civil war. Me, just plays the game until it tells me I can

Dude this is amazing, the amount of hours I've put into the game and have always wondered how to do it. I use to get so mad when I would just try to get the people as high as possible but still couldn't claim power. Thanks a ton.

In my memory, if assasinating attempt failed and assasin died from the action, alliance between rome faction breaks and I could start the civil war instantly.

What I've found is you need 30 setllements under your control - on the turn after your 30th you get the "A Chance For Power" message.

I remember playing the tutorial campaign once and actually running out of turns and losing because despite conquering EVERYTHING I never got to betray Rome and take it

My my, that's... impressive to say the least, that you found it out first, kudos to you.

True Romans play as The Julii

*UK parliament would like to know your location*

I'm really glad you posted this. After playing as the julii once, I took as much territory as I could, everything was going pretty well, and I was loved by the people, hated by the Senate, but the civil war Never Started... Now I know why.

To think I've spent YEARS of my life playing this game, investing so much money and effort into getting my people to like to me, only to find out that it's just based on conquest. Amazing 😂

It's always 28 settlements for me. This is hands down the best explanation out there.

I've always wondered how to stay ally with Senate after 40+ settlements conquered... Really I always wished to end 2 other families and not having war with Senate...

I never started the civil war as early as possible. Until I got that note I kept no troops guarding the other Roman factions and had all of them out conquering and using the money saved to build up my cities. Once I got permission to attack the other factions I took the time to get loaded for the civil war so when it was forced upon me I was ready to blitz across the ancient world and crush the other factions in about 2 to 3 turns.

Thanks for your research. I've always wondered about this

Those indicators still made much sense to me. Everytime I was at point of being able to revolt, I had high-max people standing, which stated by game as requirement to fight other Roman factions while Senate started hating me even if I successfully accomplished every task they gave me (up until they told me to kms basically).

I accidentaly start the civil war by expanding my empire throught out Greece and Egypt. Them for some reason a civil war started because people pick me. I didnt even know it was a function.

Melkor i was watch your vids since you was 2000 sub and im hope you success and pleasure in your industry for your content❤

The first five seconds were debatably the funniest/best part of the video XD "Welcome to a guide on how to start a civil war"

When in dought, process cq it out

I will test this for my Caesar mod. Having an aproximate number is a big improvement actually. Will comeback with results

I never even got the Senate demanding my faction leader be killed. I just expanded until I got bored and then attacked Rome (the victory requirement says to hold Rome). Never knew there was a hard-coded event to force you to have a civil war.

What a lucky coincidence, I started a Julii VH/VH campaign a couple of days ago, this knowledge will come in handy for sure, thx :) PS: I cant deal with those pesky spanish yet because im waiting them to upgrade their lvl 2 temple of Epona to a lvl 3 in Osca, so i can swoop in and ugrade that to an awesome temple of horse, its so frustrating they are already at lvl3 goverment building but they didnt upgrade their temple yet and they are low on money, but as the Julii i really need those +3/4/5 exp troops :(

Anyone here ever start a civil war by accidentally ambushing a neutral roman faction?

in rome total realism, Illyria is a faction there instead of the britons, and the map extends up to india, with a HUGE selucid empire. bactria is also in the game

Have you paid attention to the size of your towns? For example, maybe a Minor City is weighted more than a Large Town, and so that's why you need more settlements with the Julii (your settlements are less populated), and less with the Brutii (Larger populations in Greece).

2 inquiries.. 1) does the size of the settlement matter? 2) What role does the traits play? (those that boost popularity with the people) I see as the Julii you take a lot of small settlements, but the Buritii and Scipii take fewer, more developed cities in Greace and Africa. Maybe this is why there is a discrepancy between the factions.

Wow, it actually worked👍

Ignoring the Senate's missions always works 😂

I don't think there's a difference in how many settlements each roman faction needs, but rather that the level of the settlement is also taken into account. A large town counts 1.2x that of a small town for example. Because the Julii had more crappy towns compared to Brutii and Scipii you needed more.

Thank u for this video, I was wondering how to do it.

How to staaat a civil woah...

Wow, even in this the Brutii are clearly the best

cool test man, that's interesting.

Wait, Civil war started for me when Senate asked me to kill my country leader to prove loyalty, if you refused, they would attack you.

If you are taking suggestions on another guide video to do, I think a guide on how to defeat Attila in Total War Attila would be interesting because every guide I've read have slightly different instructions for the requirements on beating him for good.

I just realized I played as Julii twice 15 years ago and never got a civil war. Fast forward to 2020 with Rome 2 dei and I'm constantly looking at the bloody secession % every few turns. Wow.

It's weird that the Julii need the most settlements to start the civil, given that they're supposed to be the most popular faction with the people.

If anybody was going to do it,it had to be you oh great one

I was waiting about 20 years to know this information

One time the senate disavowed every roman faction and literally everyone was fighting everyone

thank you

Oh my god. That was unespected

Amazing great work whit the channel got a sub form me. Love this game keep making the good videos. Waiting for that outlaw video. And a question can any of the other Roman families besides you start a civil war? I have yet to see that and I have been playing for 12+ years?

This got me thinking, when playing a non-roman faction can the civil war start if one of them gets powerful enough?

Congratulations :)

I’ve had the me and scipii start the civil war at the same time

Question: During my Julii campaign The Senate already declared war on me but several turns later I managed to get a ceasefire then make them allies again. How can I declare war on then again?

This would be such a useful video if Rome WOULD WORK ON MY COMPUTER! Thanks for the video tho :)

If you play as the SPQR is there anyway to keep the Romans from starting civil war? I’ve tried a couple tests of trying to do nothing or just recruit a ton or whatever and sometimes the roman factions stay allied for 10 turns sometimes they all turn on me sometimes it’s just 1 that attacks because I allied with one of their enemies or something I’m just curious.

Finally I can play the game better now

I did it long ago, but from experiences I needed 27 for both Julii and Scipii on hard difficulty.

What if you can also always start the civil war when your popularity is at 8?

"How to start a civil war" Me with the seleucids, absolutely obligareting the romans: Civil support? HA. Tell that to my armoured elephants, chariots and cataphracts.

Why would you want to start a civil war before you have nearly 50 settlements? Otherwise you wind up fighting two strong factions who likely match or exceed you militarily at H/H difficulty or higher. It would seem to be more sensible to wait until you've got nearly 50, then do a simultaneous blitz of Italy with multiple seaborne stacks to both cripple your "allies" and get at or over the required settlement requirement. Immediately upon taking your rivals' Italian bases head for Rome with nearest healthy full stacks and besiege it (at least three stacks, preferably more). It also helps if you've already got Rhodes (Colossus for great buff on seaborne commerce) and can slip an extra troop convoy into the Peloponnese to take Corinth (Statue of Zeus to help public order). Done this twice recently on H/H difficulty with Brutii and Scipii.

How do you get outlawed? I’ve never seen that way of doing it!

I haven't done too much research into but does anyone know how things change if as a roman faction, another roman faction starts the civil war? Do they ever?

Does the number of required settlements depend on difficulty?

Does the governor building level make a difference maybe?

I also financially support karthage and greece/macedon to have it easier later with brutii and scipii.

You gotta love a mechanic being so obtuse that it took people almost 20 years to solve it.

Is there a way to trigger the Roman civil war when you’re not playing as the Romans?

I always tought it had something to do with the number of cities you had

First playthrough of this I thought I was doing so well and I accidentally started a civil war and lost all my progress because I don't reload saves in total war it was so sad

I assume traits like vanquisher and gladiatorial fan helps too.

I wonder if there is a way that you can play as defender of republic like senate mission to destroy other roman faction which has grown to strong or just roman faction attacking others or senate

How do you increase your popularity with the people?

Thx

Do the Marian Reforms

On my playthrough, the senate started the war automatically on about 100 AD, simply outlawing me, brutii and scipii, telling my leader to commit suicide, and telling all of us to kill eachother. I'll be honest, i just forgot to start the civil war 😋.

Not a waste of time m8 the people love learning more about this game

Any one that visits regularly Mod DB(or any other page for that matter), does it exist a mod that changes the egypcian faction into a more historicaly accurate version of itself?

Do you need a certain Number of Governor Buildings with Roman culture? Otherwise, any culture is fine?

I'm doing Julii campaign on VH/VH. I've been sitting on 29 settlements for over 3 turns. all gov't centers are not damaged and no rioting. I still can't attack rome. Will report back later with more info.

Will this work in Remastered?

Next time, how to start the 2nd civil war. Hello fellow legend and melkor fans.

I played julii and i take 21 settlements not the babarian lands but sicily carthage balkan peninsula i could start a civil war Maybe level of a settlement and population matters

I have been testing this today when civil war would not start and I am pretty sure you are wrong, it is not explicitly number of cities / non-damaged governor buildings that allows for the start. I think that you hit threshold for people that allows you to get "chance for power". The people looks to be total public order and to start it it needs 7+ points(I don't have exact numbers but you don't need 8 points in people in senate tab) Testing, Juli VH/VH 28 cities, one was far and would have riots, can't start. Go and capturing more small cities, got to 31 cities still can't start it. This is where it gets interesting, change tax rate to low in 5 cities, nothing. but with around 10 cities with low tax I can start civil war (total public order goes up by say +500). This is still with 7 point in people. If I put all cities on low and add games and races, boom 8 points in people and of course I can start civil war. This may depend on difficulty and version of the game but I estimate ~3000 total public order to start civil war via people in senate tab. Maybe it also depends on generals traits like +10% popularity with people. I play rtw complete edition (rtw, bi and alex) ai is different then in other versions and I like this one the best also think it is latest version. Peace.

Playing on hard difficulty, have 30 settlements with only 1 in red. 2 turns have passed and still cant start civil war...wth

Right now I'm playing a campaign where I had less settlements but the civil war still started. How? Well, It's not very entertaining, however. I had to allow one of other two factions to grow enough to be able to start a civil war, and then wait many, many turns because they still didn't want to start it. But eventually they did. Since they didn't conquer too much, I had to do it for them. I conquer a settlement, than gift it to other faction alongside some money (they don't want to receive free settlement without money). So now I have a very interesting game- Scipii faction grew so strong and I am so weak, so it makes the game much more entertaining. Since they (Scipii) started the civil war, senate declared all 3 factions to be outlawed, but I am still allied to Brutii

How to start Civil War? I'll tell you. Open the file descr. strat. Making the Senate playable. Going in the game. Choose te Senate, attack other roman factions. The Civil War is started up. Second way. Going again to the descr. strat, open it with your notepad, scrolling it to the end. At the end we can find relationships between factions, just select all roman factions and instead of "ally" option choose "at war" Close the document, start game, have fun!

It doesn't work for me. I hold 23 settlements and all of them are on green face or yellow. I am the brutii and end the turn and it doesn't trigger. I have 7 popularity with the people and I am intentionally not doing senate missions, in the hope they will outlaw me. They don't an fit keeps saying popularity gained with the senate. I am using version 1.52 (steam). Anyone got any ideas why this may not work. Oh an dmy difficulty is medium campaign, medium battles.

yeah so in the remaster the entire senate positions are my family and they still want me to off myself so it may need updated

i would like to see the outlaw guide :)

I had it where I was the julii, the scipii attacked me and then I wiped out the SPQR. I then was able to attack the scipii but not the brutii even though the brutii would still attack me

Does it have to be 28 settlements at a certain level? Because I'm at 31 settlements, no damaged governors buildings or red public order, as the Julii and yet I can't start the civil war. I'm at 7 with the people :/

God Bless 💯🙂🙏

Once when I played as jullii and the attacked Greece instead of carthage strangely

Sweet

Curious: if Sometimes the numbers are different... What if the Level of government buildings also matters? One building on a higher level might mean you need one settlement less. Could explain the differences...

I have the Hard Disk copy of Rome TW, but it doesn't start anymore. No i haven't got the steam CD-key. Can anyone help? I'm devestated of the fact to not play RTW anymore

...So only depend on how many working GOV buildings? I was wrong for all time...

Yeah I had a Brutii game where I’d bought every settlement in the map off the other factions before killing them off. I had all the map sans two towns and got no civil war. Maybe it was just bugged?

What happend if you take Rome(senate) sooner than 50 required provincies? You win?

Can the AI start the Civil War in this or remastered so you seem less like the bad guy?