How to use Sanding Sealers Chestnut Products Finishing School 3

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6 жыл бұрын

The how's and especially the why's of Sanding Sealers are often misunderstood. Find out what you should be using and when you should be using them with Chestnut Products' guide to Sanding Sealers

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@Billlupton
@Billlupton 3 жыл бұрын
That as they say is how a good video instructs, I love the British way well explained and no blooming hype. Excellent video, ever since Manners went bust I have been using Chestnut S&S great product.
@mvyper
@mvyper 2 жыл бұрын
I use nothing else but your acrylic sanding sealer to seal the wood of my guitars after staining. It's really well compatible with products line tru oil. Great stuff.
@TupmaniaTurning
@TupmaniaTurning 6 жыл бұрын
Very useful information - thank you
@jamesdevale8665
@jamesdevale8665 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Terry I forgot to say that the videos were excellent
@colink3836
@colink3836 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Terry thanks for the video found it very useful. can the cellulose sealer be left as a final finish?
@chestnutproducts3097
@chestnutproducts3097 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Colin, you're very welcome and I'm glad you found it useful. The Cellulose Sanding Sealer can be left as the final finish, it might not be very shiny (possibly not a problem) and it won't be as robust as, say, a Melamine Lacquer but if your item doesn't need a lot of protection it'll be fine. Terry
@HarryHound1
@HarryHound1 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video, will you be doing one on the use of your food safe finish? Happy New Year Michael
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Michael. Sorry, I didn't see that question. We have plans for a lot more films in 2019, we should be including Food Safe Finish. Watch this space! Terry
@MakingItOutOfTheWoods
@MakingItOutOfTheWoods 2 жыл бұрын
Terry! Love getting your newsletter every Friday! I am a newbie ~KZfaqr and woodturner gal and am just getting to grips with your stuff. What's the yellow sponge thing??? Claire x
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Claire. Glad you're enjoying the Newsletter. Do you mean our NyWeb pads? Have a look at this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5phZNB40r2ceWg.html
@MakingItOutOfTheWoods
@MakingItOutOfTheWoods 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts oooh, yes! that's them! Thank you. Just made my first video using the Woodwax22 - it's fab! Off to finish editing. Claire x
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 2 жыл бұрын
@@MakingItOutOfTheWoods Looking forward to seeing it Claire!
@ukzero1pete
@ukzero1pete 5 жыл бұрын
Hi there, I just wanted to ask about sealing balsa wood. I'm thinking about making some fishing floats (bobbers) from Balsa wood and am thinking of using a dipping technique to avoid any brush marks. There are many sealers available but like to know if a sealer thinned down to use this technique would work. If so, which would be the right one to use?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 5 жыл бұрын
That's such a specialist and specific use Pete that we don't have any experience of it. If any sealer is going to work it'd be the Cellulose Sanding Sealer, my main concern would be how long it would last in use. You'd need to do some product testing (i.e dip some floats) to see how it works.
@Billlupton
@Billlupton 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought and a tip, I thin the S&S and apply a coat(brush) to all and any plywood I am about to work on, it keeps the wood clean and hardens the surface while I'm working on it and I have found using a Stanley knife as a marking Knife works very well with the S&S,
@chestnutproducts3097
@chestnutproducts3097 3 жыл бұрын
This is ok when used in this way, to harden the wood prior to working on it, but the sealer works best when used neat when used as part of the finishing (not preparation) process :-)
@Billlupton
@Billlupton 3 жыл бұрын
@@chestnutproducts3097 After watching the vid there are a few extra products I have to try out thanks for the response and your dead right used neat its best, but for an 8X4 sheet a bit of thinners saves a few bob,?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
@@Billlupton If you only want to harden the plywood then thinning it is fine; if you want it to make the final finish better then not really, it's a false economy.
@johnmitchell3749
@johnmitchell3749 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr Chestnut. Do you have a video of Hard wax oil application. RE sanding sealer,do you only apply 1 coat?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
Hi John. I use Hard Wax Oil in this video: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZrOFgLCAqNjXp40.html . Best practice is to only apply one coat of sealer.
@786hunzavalley
@786hunzavalley 4 жыл бұрын
Hi. Nice video, thanks. One question please, my snooker cue which is made of ash wood has grains in it. After playing and cleaning the cue with damp cloth for a couple of months , grains on cue pop out and can be felt during playing. I have to sent to cue maker for refinish. What do you think which of these sand sealers will more suitable for snooker cue to fill those grains and make cue smoother? After sealing grains I will apply oil finish (linseed oil). Thanks.
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 4 жыл бұрын
If you're going to oil the cue I wouldn't use a sealer at all. Now that the grain has been raised with the damp cloth (possibly not the best thing to be using on a wooden item), if they are sanded back they shouldn't raise again, so the problem should solve itself.
@786hunzavalley
@786hunzavalley 4 жыл бұрын
Chestnut Products thanks for your prompt reply. Cue makers filled the grains and then sand it and then apply oil finish. How to close or fill those pores? What do you suggest? I tried shellac on one cue and then sand it with 0000 steel Wool with linseed oil. Results were better. I just didn’t want to use sand paper on my cue. After applying sealer Do I have to sand it till it reaches the wood? Because I only want to fill pores and don’t want an extra coating on cue wood. Thanks for your input.
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 4 жыл бұрын
@@786hunzavalley A sanding sealer will leave an extra coating on the wood, but it will be so thin as to be unnoticeable. Just a light sanding is all that is needed, 0000 Steel Wool will be fine, but you shouldn't need to remove all of it.
@786hunzavalley
@786hunzavalley 4 жыл бұрын
Chestnut Products thanks for reply. Which sanding sealer I should use on Ash wood cue among these 3 sealers you mentioned in your video? Look to your reply. Cheers.
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 4 жыл бұрын
@@786hunzavalley You can use any of them, they will all do the job, although with all of them it's best to use a dry cloth to clean them.
@sonlab1
@sonlab1 3 жыл бұрын
I use a min wax acrylic sanding sealer. I can’t get a good shine with my friction polish. Is it because of the moisture from the sealer?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
It's doubtful, but as it's not our sealer we can't really say. Are you using our Friction Polish?
@kerrysaunders3685
@kerrysaunders3685 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Is it ok to flood the surface with sanding sealer? What grit should I use to sand it please?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
We wouldn't recommend flooding the surface. It's not necessary, and could lead to problems. Just brush, wipe or spray on a single coat, that's all that's needed. Cut back using the same grit that you last used on the bare wood.
@kerrysaunders3685
@kerrysaunders3685 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts thank you.
@teckle.turnings
@teckle.turnings 2 жыл бұрын
Hi is it only the shellac sealer that leaves the wood slightly darker? I hoping to find a replacement for my Danish oil but fancyed the water based acrylic thanks
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it is, the others will dry pretty much clear. You can always colour the timber first with our stains if you wanted!
@teckle.turnings
@teckle.turnings 2 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts Thank you so much for letting me know. 👍
@jamesdevale8665
@jamesdevale8665 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Terry. I noticed when you were sanding that you did not clean the dust of the piece between each grit is it aviseable to do so? James
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 6 жыл бұрын
Hi James. I wouldn't normally clean after each grit, I reckon that any very slight benefit that could be achieved by doing so would be outweighed by the time and effort involved. Really pleased to hear you like the films, thank you! Terry
@craftsmanwoodturner
@craftsmanwoodturner 5 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts The theory is that minute particles of the abrasive do come off the substrate; if these are not wiped away, they can supposedly leave scratches when the next grit is applied, reducing the quality of the finish. A simple wipe over with your hand should be enough to remove these. I can't say I have noticed a significant difference, but a simple wipe of the hand takes so little effort or time that I have been doing this between grits for the last few years, just in case!
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 5 жыл бұрын
Hi @@craftsmanwoodturner. I like that you're slightly sceptical of this theory and I'd tend to agree with that. If anything this highlights the importance of using good quality and fresh abrasive - there shouldn't be anything shed by the abrasive at all. Plus, wiping over with a hand increases the risk of transferring oil, grease or moisture to the surface and these can have a much more detrimental effect on finishing than minute particles. As a rule I resist the temptation to stroke the timber until I've at least put a sealer on it.
@crackerjack3359
@crackerjack3359 3 жыл бұрын
Am I correct in thinking that sanding sealer should not be used if the final coat is going to be oil based?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, oils are designed to soak into the timber, at least in part, so best practice is to apply them straight onto unsealed wood.
@waywoodturnings6664
@waywoodturnings6664 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Terry is there a benefit of thinning the cellulose sanding sealer and adding 2 coats instead of using 1 coat out of the tin? Kind regards Paul
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Paul Sanding Sealers are designed to, and work best when allowed to, do the job in one coat. Whilst there are occasions when it makes the application easier to thin the sealer slightly (10-20%) this should only really be done when you have to, not as a routine thing. In fact it can be detrimental to the final finish to apply more than one coat of sealer (thinned or not) and this should be avoided if at all possible (absorbent pieces such as spalted wood are the main exception). Terry
@waywoodturnings6664
@waywoodturnings6664 6 жыл бұрын
Chestnut Products thanks Terry, looking forward to the next video
@tyrefryer9153
@tyrefryer9153 6 жыл бұрын
Good question Paul and one I've been wondering about too.
@tyrefryer9153
@tyrefryer9153 6 жыл бұрын
Looks like I've been doing it wrong Terry, two coats diluted with 40% thinners brushed on! I'll try one coat undiluted and applied with a cloth. Thanks for the video and the answer!
@tyrefryer9153
@tyrefryer9153 6 жыл бұрын
Just tried one coat of cellulose sanding sealer wiped on undiluted on a couple of Ash pieces and the finish is definitely better.
@brianmccann9769
@brianmccann9769 3 жыл бұрын
How does a cold workshop affect your finishes
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
That's a way too complicated question to answer here! Have a look at this: chestnutproducts.co.uk/cold-workshops-wax-transference-and-melting-lacquers-and-some-reminders/ That should help
@wakelywanderer12
@wakelywanderer12 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any such thing as a food safe sanding sealer?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 4 жыл бұрын
Not really. Many claims are made about various finishes, but too often are either untested or use test standards that are largely irrelevant. We are working on something, but can't say more unless we can get it 100% right.
@jeffoldham3466
@jeffoldham3466 5 жыл бұрын
I wish I could buy this in the us
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe next year Jeff...
@waffeslayer278
@waffeslayer278 3 жыл бұрын
is the cellulose sanding sealer food safe?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
Short answer 'no', but read the long answer here: chestnutproducts.co.uk/food-safe-finishes-special/
@dozukime
@dozukime 3 жыл бұрын
I'm getting white patches on some wood types after applying sanding sealer, could it be I had applied too much sealer?
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
White patches are usually a sign of poor adhesion. How do you prepare your wood? Does it happen more on hot days?
@dozukime
@dozukime 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts It's from last week I started with a project. So patches found on Wenge & Walnut, lots of other wood species on this project not affected. All the same process, wet sanding until 400, then 600 & 800 dry, sanding sealer, then water base varnish.
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
@@dozukime What are you using for the wet sanding? When do the white patches appear?
@dozukime
@dozukime 3 жыл бұрын
@@ChestnutProducts lamp oil & liquid wax, but this is sanded out with the 600 & 800. Patches appear about half an hour after sealer.
@ChestnutProducts
@ChestnutProducts 3 жыл бұрын
@@dozukime The white patches would suggest otherwise, I'm afraid. I suspect that some of the timbers are still retaining the oil; this is causing an adhesion failure which is showing up at the white patches. Maybe try without the oil/wax?
@Boycott_China
@Boycott_China 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know where this sealer is made?
@amandacook9616
@amandacook9616 3 жыл бұрын
If you research the product you'll see where it's from. Ignoramus!
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