well said

I’ve haven’t played smash in a while, but slightly sad that Nintendo cancelled the Smash Events.

mogul mail is a god at explaining quickly yet still getting all info across comprehensively

Hey guys, HankVenom here.

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literally every goddamn time they try to make a little growth that isn't under the cover of night.

big fan of the Melee Stats video on this

Not entirely Nintendo's fault this time, it's Allen's fault.

t. people who didn't watch the video

Could be that since Ultimate might be the “last” Smash game, Nintendo’s looking to events to monetize. Shame they’re doing it in classic Nintendo fashion though.

Casuals... watching Smash... does not compute. But really the casuals are brought in by streamers like Lud, and it looks like most of them will boycott anything Alan does.

He wont have much, dont think viewers much less good players wanna work for a dude that deserves to be unalived.

Realistically even if some top dogs aren't gonna play in it, many lower levels will like the other commenter said. And there will still definitely be a big enough audience to make profit. boycotts just don't happen to the extent they used to before the internet, when was the last time you saw a notably large and homogenous group of people, period?

@@Nate-bd8fg they are going to be a "200 viewer andy". It will be teeth skin profits

@@BURRDAWG_ I hope so. Screw Alan (probably)

Could have sworn it was Dio

Gay asf

@@thetimebeing4288 same race

@@bootleg6595 British?

Worst part is, this really throws the ENTIRE competitive community under the bus, not just for Smash, but for Splatoon and any other competitive communities on Nintendo IPs because of the precedent this all sets.

@@Mad-Goose That's a good point, I didn't think about that. Bro is actually a villain if it all turns out to be true

*… for his own greed.

All pros and viewers who value community and competitive integrity should boykott the Panda Cup. People like Alan understand only one language: money.

@@Mad-Goose You just corrected someone by CAPSING exactly what they said. Let that sink in and change your life up.

I'm a chef personally Nah he's the worst Version he's the type to do that because he ordered, changed his mind didn't tell anyone and then gets mad when the food he ordered arrives because now he doesn't want it and the staff should have known that....

More like just because the restaurant tells him no, we cannot make what you want if its not on the menu

not becaue they got his order wrong, because he has a restaurant next door 💀

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Alan the type of guy to release roaches in a 5 star bistro and hopes that people will still be hungry and come to his McDonald's down the road he franchises

But we won't listen to him

@@Pedro-ho2xj You may not but others will, this community is too ignorant sometimes. It'll probably work.

Hopefully we get an apology video with him sitting on his kitchen floor saying "guys I did a big oopsie"

@@epikhllo9767 “I’ve made a severe and honest mistake”

Welcome to the world, where entitled people only think about themselves and manipulate others into doing so as well...

This is such a perfect analogy

Eh I just saw a videos that seems to point out the Smash World Tour did that. Well they killed Panda but they survived so good for them. Edit: Watch "the Unsolved Mystery of Smash World Tours".

Getting blindsided like that is what makes it feel so much worse This sucks as a spectator that loves just casually playing and watching the game, I can only imagine what players/TOs/other affected like that must be going through

Twisted motives = money That Alan guy never really seemed too interested in Smash

I understand that Alan may have been doing some pretty twisted things, but somehow I don’t see Nintendo of all companies getting strong armed into anything. Let alone by the leader of an esports org. I feel like they would just pull the panda cup license and leave.

@@homerobenavides5156 Capitalism, baby!

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Activision, EA, blizzard have entered the chat

At this point, nobody hates nintendo more than smash players lmao

@@waves9515 judging by the recent game, pokemon fans are getting there

@@undoubtedlyso4542 game freak isn't Nintendo.

but this time nintendo has an actual reason

Proper plan this, i appreciate you and what you do

That's doesn't have anything to do with the topic

I feel like if some of these commenters would lose their shit talking to support

@@ABC-ik9vj How does it not have anything to do with the topic?

@@MrCaw77 Because why would you even contact Nintendo Support just to complain, while you know that it won't change anything??

@@asimhussain8716 after the horrendous turnout at the 50k pot tourney recently this is verifiably and demonstrably false.

@@asimhussain8716 I know it's unreasonable to expect but I really hope the big names say fuck that shit. The short term sacrifice might be worth it and bring in more money in the long term.

@@asimhussain8716 but does it equal with the backlash they will receive after they support the villainess??i know people love money but the stain will last forever in their name so most people won't just jump in to the pool of drama without any thinking

@@shepardice3775 a lot of big names have already canceled going, and the ones that are contractually obliged to go aren't gonna try and just dick around.

@@asimhussain8716 it was in an extremely remote part of canada

Like mogul mail said, its this weird cartoon villain thing where "he's actually helping by making a grand cup that will gift the smash scene a great future alongside Nintendo" when actually it's tearing down grass roots events and the community that's established itself over the last 20 years

@@kestrelynn holy shit reading it this way really does make it seem like some villain shit

@@kestrelynn yeah the plot twist

It kinda sucks

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Get in line.

Bro posted this comment before he even watched the video

@@the_tea1917 I actually read the document before hand. I didn’t like how they handled this. Smash players have never gotten the kind of developer support that other esports enjoy

Genuinely what's new. Nintendo is the shittiest garbage gaming-adjacent company I've ever seen.

this is just what happens when an organization like Nintendo who likes to maintain a good image allows their name to be used by someone who was “trusted” like panda goes ahead and does this type of gangster type modus operandi. What do you expect Nintendo to do other than pull the plug on their life support.

npc

you def dont need a journalism degree to do this. anyone can do it as long as they arent an idiot

@@mrfahrenheit677 You massively overestimate the average person then

@@CarSpotter9 i didnt say "average" tho did i? i said "not an idiot". no where did i imply that "not an idiot" is the "average" person

@@mrfahrenheit677 so every average person is below an idiot?

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@@vibive It's a shitty name

Not even world it’s just NA qualifier tournaments

@@okayperson3041 makes it even worse. They got the world circuit shut down for a smaller one

Only Nintendo have been tight asses for a long time, done a lot of shady things, shut down servers, don't care for the fanbase etc

@@alexb7092but they’ve not touched VGBC streams and events until now…

@@Smashfan258 PM

@@Smashfan258 ?

Are you going to run 101 tournament?

@@vinylSummer haha, I am. But it’ll be about a month until then

@@dekufiremage7808 but panda was interfering in their abilities to get that official license. As Ludwig said since January they’ve attempted and based on the response provided should have had no issues yet because of willful interference the didn’t

@@dekufiremage7808 The way I read it, part of this was going on BEFORE Panda made that announcement, so there's still interference partway at least I'd also be a bit suspect on if they claimed the tournament was "illegal" since you don't need to be sponsored to do that. Illegitimacy, I'm not sure about that since Nintendo never interacted with the tournament scene, you can't make an argument very well one way or another very well. Unless you go off of what the community thinks? I think the big kicker is their attempts to block SWT out of the market. I can recall how someone from Marvel did this same exact thing, and that now ex-Marvel employee got smacked HARD. That might be how to dispute this.

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

@@archeryan8404 Eh. The Pedo Bros deserve this.

Thank you you have no idea how pissed of I am at these bitches

@David [DOND wii?! More like PooPoo Wii!💀] scam, 10k subs and no videos 🤓

@@deankrahling6060its a bot bro

the issue isn't the people enjoying it. it's the hundreds of thousands of dollars lost, dozens of people losing their jobs. and the potential collapse of the smash bros melee scene.

@@deankrahling6060 did it take a college degree for you to figure that out?

I strongly suspect this is just Nintendo playing by typical Japanese company rules. They're uptight in general when it comes to piracy, licensing, etc. They think they're doing the right thing, fans think they're being screwed over.

crazy how this never happens with capcom

@@destituteanddecadent9106 To be fair... they kinda are being screwed over. Cause hardly any other company is THIS level of ignorant or willing to deny a whole fanbase without batting a single eye or later backpedaling on said decision.

It's insane to try to create a monopoly on culture.. and that's what it is. It's a game that has passionate fans that want to play and watch it. So any time people get together you want to have a say? This is something Nintendo tries to do again and again. Fuck them tbh.

Maybe it has something to do with the Super Smash Bros. community being jerks.

Xanadu is also my local and I wanted to go there more often and go to glitch (would’ve been my first big tournament experience especially since I can’t travel.) but now that seems impossible. I loved going there.

Why does he defend a child predator tho?

While I do agree with you that we should wait for his statement, current evidence is not looking too good for him. Nintendo sucks, we've always known that. That's why we support local scenes, VGBC, etc and that's why we don't bring ourselves down. Our common enemy was Nintendo so for Alan to reportedly (By numerous trustworthy people in the scene) threaten a shutdown of an event if they don't join the Panda cup, to demand broadcasting rights from Beyond The Summit, and to wield this partnership over our heads instead of with us, it FUCKING sucks. It's pretty clear that Alan made the information regarding VGBC being unlicensed more on the radar to Nintendo. So to say it's only 5% his doing isn't exactly fair imo.

@@joevent i mean the 5% is an exaggeration but still he couldn’t have had that much of an impact on the decision. Alans actions towards BTS in particular are awful but I can’t bring myself to take them seriously whenever alan tried to threaten a company way bigger than his own with a total shutdown when they hadn’t done anything worth getting C&D’s either. Nintendo partnering with him just doesn’t give him the authority to threaten anyone with a shutdown, and like i said before, if anything the fact that Nintendo let it slide is a better way bigger issue

What? Comparing this to the nairo situation is laughable. Nairo was proven to be flirting with an underage child, photographed with an underage boy on his lap, documented in the statements of countless pros who witnessed their relationship. Just because Nairo came out and said he was raped and literally provided zero evidence does not mean the situation was not his fault. This situation is in no comparison to the nairo situation

@@kyallon1213 Coming back to ask what you think of the statements made by Nintendo and Panda. To me, both feels like a complete deflection and says almost nothing for them.

Fan base full of pedos and insecure gamers

20 years of a passionate fanbase unfortunately hasn't changed their minds. They're willfully ignorant.

End Users and Experience has always been at the bottom of Nintendo's priority list

Okay, allow me to play Devils Advocate for a moment. Bearing in mind that I don't agree with Nintendo's decision to shutter the event, is the Smash Community specifically a positive for Nintendo? Any time I hear stories of the Smash 'community' it's almost always in a negative light, whether due to inappropriate behaviour, allegations of misconduct or just some truly toxic behaviour being par for the course. I don't think it'd be surprising if the child-friendly company Nintendo wasn't all too keen on the Smash community to begin with, especially when a significant portion of them openly hammer the most recent iteration in favour of a 20 year old game that's not going to make Nintendo any more money. With this in mind, take what we know. Nintendo was working with Alan, and it has since come to light that Alan would pass on concerns, possibly falsified, to Nintendo to get his rivals shut down. Imagine he'd levelled an accusation of grooming, the kind of stuff the community is sadly known for. Nintendo do not want to touch that with a ten foot pole; their primary market is kids and parents of kids who wouldn't like the idea of their little Jimmy being contacted by predators while playing a Nintendo game. So, air on the side of caution and shut it all down. Smash has brought terrible PR before, why not again? It even aligns with their tweet, which mentions vague 'Health and Safety' concerns. The safety of minors is something companies are VERY wary about and Nintendo is never going to be explicit about even a potential association with grooming on a public channel, so... Health and Safety it is. This is just speculation and even if it did happen this way it still sucks, but I don't see it as implausible that a man who we know lied about his competition might have falsified an accusation of misconduct and Nintendo immediately smacked down the entire thing because that kind of thing happens in the Smash Community with WORRYING regularity and they weren't willing to take chances. In short, the situation sucks and Nintendo didn't handle it well, but I do think the Smash community also likes to assume themselves worthy of the benefit of Nintendo's doubt when their whole brand really doesn't align with Nintendo at all.

@@richardlee3679 good read.

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

@@archeryan8404 They already have this anti-consumer, anti-player reputation. Nintendo simply doesn't care, they'll put out a new game and earn their billions because everyone will go buy it. Nintendo already has a reputation as being the most anti-player and anti-community of the big three. They're simply too big and too well-known to fail

@@totalawesomeness2310 there's only a small percentage of people who even know the crap Nintendo has done... if a entire smash tournament people are looking forward to that don't know, gets crippled, by Nintendo, it will raise awareness. Especially someone like Ludwig. He can stand firm on an unpopular opinion like no other.

@@totalawesomeness2310 Nintendo only strongarms us because they think we won't do it back.

@@archeryan8404 hey dude. I think you should copy-paste this reply to 30 more comments. I haven't seen it enough yet.

Imagine not wanting to read words 💀

yeah reading makes me sleepy

@@wovoaoh is that what she said to you?

Your poor little brain

@@Drooook She doesn't say anything, because "she" doesn't exist. At least for me.

Maybe it has something to do with the Super Smash Bros. community being jerks.

When the bank runs start, you’ll know it’s all going down.

Exactly, the SWT is its own thing. Yes the players are playing smash bros but why does Nintendo have the right to shut people down just because they're playing the game? It's not like watching a tournament stream is a replacement for playing the game, it's a totally different experience. And in terms of creativity/originality there is so much added by tournaments that are not part of the game itself and which IMO Nintendo has no business interfering with.

@@damandatwin like someone in Twitter and another YT’ers comments mentioned, it’s because they can, legally. They hold all the power to their IPs. So they’re well within their rights to say, “hey, stop broadcasting our game”. And from what I heard from others in YT and Twitter, Capcom let this get out of control in a big problem. Essentially them letting orgs broadcast/make tourneys of their games, without the proper licensing. And because of that, the FGC community in general has gotten away with so much in doing things the improper way. And that improper behavior spread like the plague. Again, this is just what I’ve heard, so idk how much truth there is to it, since I don’t know the specifics with capcom’s licensing requirements.

@@carlospolk5033 Does 'improper' in the way you're using it mean anything other than 'without licensing from the publisher'? I understand the way copyright law is set up they can do it. What I'm saying is that this application of copyright law is without merit and shouldn't exist for the reasons I mentioned.

@@damandatwin yeah I agree with you, and yes, that was exactly what my scenario was depicting. Essentially broadcasting or setting up unofficial tourneys without licensing from the publisher(s).

@Lance mogul mail is just tweeting on Ludwig’s account

I'm certainly done with Panda. If he keeps up this behavior then I hope his bottom line gets hit, hard. I just feel bad for the employees that will be affected by his potential downfall.

this shows how nintendo hasn't evolved a lick.

What all happened back then?

@@DJ_Mooster EVO 2013, the largest fighting game tournament of the year, had a charity event. You could donate and put that money to your game of choice. Melee beat out Skullgirls by about $10,000. After it was announced that Melee won, Nintendo stepped in and prevented the game from being broadcast, possible even played, but I'm not sure on that one. The Internet came together and rebelled, and after just 4 hours, Nintendo rescinded their decision, which led to, imo, one of the best Melee tournaments I've ever seen, with an amazing top 8.

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

@@archeryan8404 Stop spamming.

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Christian Pulisic got hurt

@@archeryan8404 what. Are you saying Nintendo is not corporate evil... Cause even if you hate ludwig you cant be sayin that

@@Noah-lj2sg I said the exact opposite of that..... I want more people to realize how shitty they are. Most of Nintendos audience are kids that don't care about this stuff yet. So Livestream a smash tournament they're forced to not see the gameplay of and they'll finally care about Nintendo and use the Twitter account they set up on their mom's phone number to go tell them how much they disapprove.

@@Noah-lj2sg currently, to most of Nintendo's consumers, their reputation is not "evil corporation focused on money"

We’ll see. From what I heard from some on Twitter, they are contractually obligated to make an appearance and play as scheduled. So many have come up with the idea of stalling, footsies, etc. just make the tourney awful to watch lol But while I do feel very bad for all the participants, I feel just as bad for the Panda players. I couldn’t imagine feeling blindsided from this betrayal from your own leader, someone you trust. And then to have to worry about your financial future too!? Nah, that’s depressing…

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

@@lettuce3052 there will be no viewership or no sponsorship if THE EVENT IS CANCELLED BY NINTENDO.................

@@lettuce3052 yeah sacrifices necessary right now. If all you're worried about is money then you're as bad as Nintendo

@@lettuce3052 Plus they could just be straight up with the sponsors and be like yo we're doing this as a protest to Nintendo. You in?

*their

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

nintendo way. remember metroid another remake?

It’s video games, they gon be alright

@@bigyoppa3403 it can be someone's livelihood.

@@Mark-sk6om *it is* many peoples livelihoods and the people hosting SWT are losing thousands of dollars because of this as well.

Jobs are easily found. A community built over decades of good times... that's priceless.

Maybe it has something to do with the Super Smash Bros. community being jerks and incompetent.

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

@@archeryan8404 I’m doing my part to help this video reach everywhere in the algorithm for more people can be aware of this, fighting Nintendo at this point will not do anything but make the game I truly enjoy watching dead.

@@its_seep not fighting Nintendo will result in them killing your game too. You're making the assumption that we're less powerful than that corporation. That's just not the case You're giving up your power.

@@archeryan8404 what can we do beside bring awareness, and that’s not an assumption it’s the sad truth that they would soon shut down every tourney that melee has if we tarnish the relationship. They don’t care about this game at all and its been showing since these past years

@@its_seep I'm telling you what we can do. We can tell Nintendo we'd rather hold a smash tournament without the gameplay being broadcast than watch something they endorse to try and make money for their shareholders.

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do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Ironically the smash bros community seem to get the most hits from Nintendo

I love Anna ❤

Ludwig?? Who's that? This is Mogul Mail

do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

Panda should focus on making the panda controller. Then they will actually be useful

@@joe564338 I am friends with someone who panda contacted to help with the panda controller. It was never going to be a thing. They made one prototype. The one in the video. That's it. It was dead before the video launched. Panda was just out for publicity. Seems like a trend now.

@@outdatedboat do the tour and dont broadcast the gameplay, just the people playing. when chatters and social media wonders why, blame nintendo. tell them the evil people at nintendo are making it this way. beat them at their own game. make their reputation be a reputation of corporate evil

We dont want/care about panda really, we just want our community back..

It definitely only applies to live-streamed events, so that’s probably ok

@@alcor3372 Yea, Nintendo almost definitely isnt going to bother shutting down a local event with like 30 people and 100 views on youtube. Even if they did shut down the streams, local events dont really care that much and will just continue playing anyways since the people there play for the fun of playing rather than to be streamed.

Dude be realistic lmao Nintendo isn’t going to go after locals it makes no sense.

Most likely not. They made an event out of using Nintendo's property and never got a clear allowance to do so (which would be licensing). They technically could've all been cancelled in the same fashion. Smash events are using Nintendo property without their licensing. That's why Nintendo is in the right before court.

@@johnbishop9621 but according to the medium letter, nintendo had given them the right to do so and then okay to do so which is how it all started underway in the first place. If they have that okay in emails and documented that should be evidence of Nintendo fucking them over shouldn't it?

it's so weird to me that the developer gets the broadcast rights for their games. seems like a terrible system

Well tortious interference is grounds for a lawsuit. If they were in talks to secure licensing and Panda stepped in saying their tournament will be canceled it could be considered tortious interference and grounds for a lawsuit for damages. Hopefully people boycott panda and make them lose the same money they are making other tournaments lose and then slap a lawsuit on top to really prevent this in the future

@@cosmey449 I mean it's theres. They made it, who else would it go to. Fans? So they could make thousands of dollars off of the creators hard work. The system now is working just not when corporate assholes come in and whisper in executives ears.

how so?

@@ayar2 they've tried to make people pay them 100% revenue before, for streaming any of their games, the licensing also could become a thing for all Nintendo games to be a requirement to have in order to stream them, it's like playing monopoly with content creators and their fanbase

@@alexb7092 and non monetized videos? could those be affected?

I hoped you guys were going to move in the world cup, love from UK :)

I take the wock there

Who's Lud? Theres no Lud here

Yeah it's a damn shame. I remember being around for when they were founded and being hype for them even if I had no idea what the purpose of them was at the time lmao. I already see some players are jumping ship. I hope them and the rest of the employees who were totally blindsided by this can find better jobs/sponsors

They’re usually a liability though. When most people think about smash, they think of the most depraved gamers.

@Rute Fernandes unlike Blizzard who just did all the “rape/harassment stuff” themselves, poor little innocent nintendo would never do such vile evil things, goodness me *clutches pearls*

@@mbabaneamputee7725 All depends on the audience. Blizzard has a reputation among different communities that expect a level of transparency. This allows them to fix issues. Nintendo on the other hand markets to children, a demographic where parents will vehemently defend to the point of not listening to nuance. Any bad publicity that could harm children can't be tolerated.

Straight Fax

No one should support VGBootcamp until they stop defending Nairo

@@dildino6199 I really don't care what smash players do. You are all filthy degenerates. Just entertain me

The company needs to go under and the CEO will be the one who did it. Then he won't be allowed back in the industry

me too man

dong dips w the boys

I lowkey feel called out. Like if you were taking a long shower n crankin one out in and once you get out someone says we’re u jacking off in there

@@ryan2971 bro you sound like you’re speaking from an experience you actually had

@@matthewlopez00 yes i was indeed shitting

Like showering