Midjourney, or the artists - who do you agree with? 🤔

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No one uses AI to create an exact copy of an image. I like to see what prompts they used to recreate their own images.

I think anyone who has their art, books, documents sucked up by AI should be paid a royalty like they do with music.

Storing the data points of the work so that the work can be reproduce, is in fact storing the work within the program. Everything can be represented digitally with data points including an individuals voice. In order to represent an individuals voice, advanced tech would start out with recordings of that individuals voice. The tech would then convert the necessary bits and pieces of the recordings, the vowels sounds, consonants, vocal inflections etc, and the various sounds of the individual speaking into data points. Those data points and not the recordings would then be utilized to recreate the individuals voice. The reason to do this is speed. A computer can access data points much faster than it can open an audio file and play the needed snippet of a recording. Whether audio or an image, the same method would be used.

Every single corporation (yes government too is a private corporation under the guise of being public) stores information on all of us.

Love your content! I'm not against AI art, but I do think the artists have a valid argument. If any of these programs had not had access to the work of thousands if not millions of artists, could they have created the art that they do? No. What is needed is an ethical AI art company that pays artists and allows the user to find out which artists' work influenced the final image. Payment and advertising.

They can sue all they want. It's the old dataset that nobody uses anymore. Literally nobody. They now train on alternative datasets. And we can train our own AI data with our own artwork with as few as 8 images now. Not 8million.

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With MS Paint and Cocreator - can anyone say how the credits refresh? I used 1 yesterday and it did not reset back to 50 today. I don't know if I have to use all 50 in order for it to refresh or if I use all 50 that's it?

How many artists have been inspired by other artists who's works they have seen and style they have copied? Isn't that then considered copyright based on the artists lawsuit? The lawsuit is ridiculous really.

I think this is going to open, and I'm sure it actually has already, a whole new niche of attorneys to deal with these exact lawsuits. I took a day seminar from an attorney and he specialized in cloth pattern copyrights.

Just tried searching for it (in the US) but I don't think MS Paint is available for Mac @0:51 -- only Windows.

Bing Image creator, is also powered by DALL E3. Those exact words are written right under the pictures we created.

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This data argument is interesting. Data isn't a topic I used to see on this discussion. But there is two points I quetion here. 1st: does someone have the copyright the data of their images? 2nd: when you agree with the ToS of a social media with a clause that says you consent your data to research and development of new tools, that wouldn't dismiss the case imediaty? Because LAIONB was created using this clause to collect data.

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Well without the input of the artists work these would be very different results. So since their art is needed to make it work, and their art was used as input without their consent, i would side with the artists.

they cant be concidered if they dont look like the original. and with that statement, it just reinforces the copyright laws that already exist. if you make a perfect mona lisa with ai, then try to sell it with out permission, then obviously the law stands. but if you use ai, and your image has a likeliness of lisa, then so what! its not her, your words made it, all the butthurt artist can just be quiet. or better yet! instead of being butthurt, maybe just use your talents in ai... i dont get the pushback really, the is the evolution of art... "let go or be dragged" is a popular Zen proverb

For example how can they sue a machine for making an image of a celebrity because it use a photo as a reference, thousands of artist use photos in the same way ,, are they suing fan art too ? AI is here and it not going anywhere its an equalizer

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A student may study under Van Gogh and so hold all the information of how to paint exactly like Van Gogh. But unless he is copying his pictures straight up or signing them Van Gogh… I say he’s good to go. Mastering a style is what fuels many artists.

Thanks for your effort .. i have a question is a legaly for youtube to monitize ai videos?

Which services are both free and let you claim ownership of what you make? Most of the free versions make your work public, or say they own it.

Wait? Sarah, your E-book is updated compared to let's say an year ago? I gotta redownload and see it again...

Is Microsoft Paint App only for Windows 11 up now?

So every single artist draws on inspiration from other artists whether they admit it or not, very little is new in the art world. Is Ai just simplifying this process. I mean I’m a photographer and I can go out and shoot a subject in xx photographers style, then go home and edit and post process in xx other photographers style along with using various programs and tools to manipulate and create art all based on other artists work. I’m not breaking copyright, I’m not stealing. Is Ai just a modern version of this 🤷 There’s been similar copyright lawsuits around photography that seem very similar to this AI lawsuit and no one was in breach of copyright. I’m gonna say no one’s in breach of copyright in this case. Will be interesting to see if I’m right

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I'm not a visual artist, but I am a musician. As a musician, I will perform a piece written by somebody else. I will also parody music. I will also emulate the style, or take a piece in a completely different direction. Creative works based on the work of others gone before me. If this lawsuit succeeds, it could have an impact on how we make music... and there's been enough of that already.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft Paint is not available for MAC.

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The examples shown in the lawsuit that show how images could be encoded and then recalled I do not believe represent the reality of what's going on. If you limit the training data for a new model to a small set of sample photos you could force the tool to do something like this, but what these samples show is merely that if you lean over far enough you can break it and make it do this. It doesn't prove that this is how Stable Diffusion was actually trained, or that the released versions actually do this. They do not mention exactly how they got Stable Diffusion to produce these replicas, and that's a huge red flag. The prosecution is hiding something that could potentially end their case.

There was another major piece of AI art news recently: whereas The United States, and I think The EU, not sure about Australia, or anywhere else, has ruled that A.I. generated art cannot be copyrighted by the person who prompted it, China has ruled the opposite. Chinese courts said the act of prompting, editing and dialing in the prompt, selecting the model, selecting Loras and adjusting their influence, etc. all constitute creative effort and therefore the final image can be copyrighted by ther person who generated it. I liken it to going out into a field and taking photos of clouds. Those photographer owns the copyright to those images. Same is true for an artist who uses paint or ink splatters to create abstract or expressionist art.

0:50 There is no Microsoft Paint for Macs.

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Definitely the artists! Storing the data is essentially copying. The image is the data in a visual form. It still baffles me that people who use generative AI without ever have made a creative work in their lives before, justify themselves constantly and don’t see this as stealing. I’m not against generative AI if you use your own images. Unless you’re using your own real created images to train AI to make new images you are lurching of the work of real artists. The reason artists are constantly filling new lawsuits should make you think about the morality of what you’re doing. So good for them! I support their hard work! It might take a while but they are going to win in the end. Europe is already installing laws for AI including infringement of copyright. In the end we need real creative works to inspire us. Not this fake and ugly AI junk that’s only there to make money. It’s capitalism at its worst.

If a person used AI to make and publish an exact duplicate of an artist's published work, then it would indeed be a copyright violation.

Late random thoughts on the legal issue. As a writer and not an graphic artist, my perspective is a bit different. Let's suppose I wrote a novel and AI used not my story but my characters . My understanding is this is not allowed by current law without my permission. (I'm referencing "fan fiction" here.) So AI cannot simply put my characters in difference scenarios. Isn't this legal battle similar? An artist creates a character and AI "reimagines" this character in a different way. That doesn't say AI cannot learn from other art but it should not be able to simply revise someone's work either. In this respect, I'll mostly side with the artists here. Sarah, earlier in the video you talk about how some programs can duplicate the uploaded work almost identically. I should think this is exactly wrong. Better would be if the AI could remake an image as "their own". Next question - when does an image become something new rather than a mere copy of the original?

Oh. You can do so so much more than this.

If I paint a picture inspired by another artist, is it a violation of copyright? Certainly not! So why can't I do the same with artificial intelligence? Surely, I can't create something (with AI or without) and sign the work with another artist's name, but that's a different story. In my opinion, this legal case makes no sense at all.

I am a writer by trade and some of my work has been consumed by AI. People pay a lot of money, a LOT of money, to use genAI and those companies MAKE a lot of money. I used to be a software engineer, so I know how hard it can be to make complex programs. I never worked on LLM but I did do a lot of predictive modeling and algorithms for data scientists. Not saying that AI companies shouldn't get paid, but that the artists, writers, etc, who had their work consumed without their consent or knowledge should be compensated. I would HAPPILY give all of my work to an AI company to train their models IF I got appropriately compensated. Don't ask me how much is appropriate, I haven't figured that out yet.

I think they took SD and overtrained specific pictures, then prompted it and voila...they have an overtrained baked in image. its a fake, and not a fake picture as in copywrite, but a fake problem. I hope they are found tampering and sued for libel or something. This needs to be put to bed.

If I was judging this lawsuit I would probably require the artists to file on a case-by-case basis to determine if individual images meet the requirement. Then if there are enough of them a judge could submit a cease and desist order to stop the AI company from continuing.

The biggest part of the AI vs art is who gets the money. If we buy the app and make the art through it, artist lose. If the art community wasnt so corrupt that you could sell a ducktape banana for more worth than the banana and ducktape. If the artist could co comparable art theyd be ok. If they invested more time to their craft instead of looking for a payout theyd be ok.

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Great video as always. My take on copyright lawsuits is that the human mind records, borrows component information from, and emulates all visual and audit information we encounter. Similarly, AI records these inputs in its own intelligent way and does exactly the same: uses what it learned to create something unique but inherently inspired by existing works and the universe itself. So for these artists to have a rightful claim, I think they'd have to prove that they've created artwork so unique and otherworldly that it drew on absolutely nothing for inspiration. Otherwise, everything they've ever viewed or heard in their entire lives that their brains remember, is copyright infringement.

“Is storing the data used to create an image the same as storing the image itself?” Absolutely, positively, 100% yes! That’s exactly what .jpg, .bmp, .tiff and every other image storage file is: data needed to recreate the image. A .jpg file does not “store the image itself”, it stores numbers that can be used to recreate the image. And .svg stoes formulas used to recreate an image. So the answer to that question is objectively “YES”. You’d have to phrase the question differently to add nuance to it - but as currently phrased, any “opinion” that it’s “not the same” is just plain wrong.

I'm using an automated print on demand solution. Unethical : copying a named artists style. Ethical : blending two or more artists styles, by taking elements of both styles - which is more or less what any inspired human artist does. We are all a blend of styles we have learned and adopted elements of.

By this logic, everyone is violating copyright law because they saw the image they have under copyright.

I believe no mattters the lawsuit results are 3 important points to make, 1) even if we want to recognize it or not we know the developers of AI tools STOLE millions of images to feed the AI with out consent of the creators, that is a FACT. 2) AI tools evolved fast and are really good but not sufficient enough yet to replace human generated art to can keep growing, at this point all companies are avoiding to hire AI artists and AI images for 2 reasons, the first is what I mentioned in point 1 and the second that is not only recognizable but also repetitive, that made it useless for big projects unless like e you run it locally and you create your own model with images that you created yourself and add to the equation control net and dig very deep into the topic, but still is not sufficient enough to replace other work pipelines, for example in my case that I create comics and animation, I can create with full control a 3d animation that looks like is 2D, my skills and my employees skills are sufficient enough to get the job done and when we create those 3D models at that point we can animate them with the 3d software or feed the AI? will take to us more work and time to feed the AI at a point to get a sufficient result then will be much more efficient for us to just animate the 3d models with a 3d software, what make the Ai only good for concepting and storm ideas about the designs of our 3d models but is far from being a useful part of our work flow, only help us generate quick itherations of a concept made by an artist that by all means are not sufficient enough to be used as a finish design and only helps for storm ideas before we decide in which direction we want the final design go and after we get an idea our concept artists can polish it and get for use what we need to start the 3d modeling process, but the major part of times our concept artist can develop better designs that the AI then is no point for us to hire an AI artist because I will still need my concept artist what make me think is more useful for me in such scenario hire more concept artists instead of invest in AI. 3) Dinal point. Taking apart the morality issues about AI, judging how useful and how efficient can be used, I will say even with the great advances is still not sufficient to be used professionally and to replace Human artists in many fields, then WHO uses AI? only small independent entrepreneurs and small companies, because the lack of skills to make things themselves or because the cost to produce the final product, but because AI tools are being more and more accessible to ALL, people is starting to play with it and experiment with it bny themselves, is how if we go to POD services and let's say I want a new T-Shirt all sites are right now over poluted with designs made with AI and my search results will be thousands of items that I will not review all of them, then here is the HUGE back fire, how long for those POD to incorporate Ai tools that allows me to crate my own T-Shirt in a couple of minutes? what will happen with all the new entrepreneurs trying to make a living or money from it? mark my words, in less that 2 years all POD services will incorporate their own AI tools taking out the middle man in the actual process and the funny thing is that you all are helping them to feed and train the AI, is like you all are killing yourselves. One thing that I realized and is why I keep doing what I do for living is that are things that never die in time, the golden time of Disney animated movies, the movies of Studio Ghibnli, Frans Frazetta, Jim Lee, and many other awesome artist including the masters of the past, no matter how many itherations Ai makes the "Mona Lisa" will remain in history; then I used a different approach, I just use the technology available to emulate that artistic style and after the giants success of the league of legends netflix series ARCANE, we keep working in creating that kind of shows because the audience like them, Netflix becomes the new flag ship of American animation, Castelvania, Son of Zeus, DOTA, Blue eyes Samurai, that is what we are doing now in America with the help of artists world wide, and all those shows were made with 3D and more and more studios are joining this wave of creativity, I do not deny we will use AI when reach sufficient enough advance to can make the process easier and faster, but taking in account Chat GPT political BIAS for sure I will keep and even hire more HUMAN writers when the times come, and belive it or not, I can recognize in a blink AI generations that is why I am an animation studio owner and the experience I gain in decades helps me out to recognize instantly what is a good product and what is trash, I am tired and annoyed by people summiting stories and portfolios that they didn't made, when we are working in a new show we make a meeting and our artist are good enough to give us visuals ON THE FLY, our writers can discus with us the plot in real time and we all work together to make something good, I will say at this moment AI is just a TREND, very soon people will get tired of see the same images again and again and everywhere, people is already getting tired of it, and unique high quality products that are different and special are the ones that brings success, right now YES is a great idea to try to catch as much easy money as you can, but as I said, soon PODs will incorporate their own Ai tools and will take out the middle man, low quality comics and animations will die and the human creativity will remain as the constant in the equation, why Amazon KDP and the POD big companies will keep thousands of spam products poluting their platforms? when those companies have their own AI tools????? for how long KDP will keep accepting AI generated content? we already saw KDP restrictions on children and coloring books and all sort of low content books, then all this is forcing authorities to put in place regulations about AI usage and soon or later things will go back to normal and Ai will not remain as a trend as it is right now. Is a temporary small scale business. The only benefits from it are the developers of those tools that work in subscription model or a tokens generation model, you are working for them, helping them develop their models, funding them and when they will not need you they will simply kick you out of the equation, that is how business works. they are not only stealing the content to feed the AI they are also funding the development with your money and even getting rich. Do you believe those developers have any morality? as they stole from everybody to feed the Ai showing ZERO remorce or morality, do you really believe they care of YOU?

I think the artists should win, going on the basic statement that if it looks like a duck it's a duck.

In a sense, everything is in image data, not an actual image. Open jpg in notepad, and there's only data. Why does it make a difference if it's a jpg compression or some ai algorithm when an artists image was used? It's just a different way to store an image

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I think the artist should make similar art to Midjourney art now and see if it files a lawsuit against them. What i saw was similar but not the same so I'm siding with the AI companies. I think these artist should be using these services instead of suing them.

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So if artists practiced an art style by using other artists images as a reference they are storing the "mathematical data" of that art style in their brain 🧠 😱

Originally, everybody said the same thing about photoshop, Initially people thought modern art was terrible and not art at all, same with art made from metal, etc. Art is constantly evolving. In addition, all artist are inspired by other works of art and the artists they aspire to become. This is just another tool, imho.

If the purpose of the artist is to correct these AI image generators against ethical practices, then I support the artist. But if the artist wants these AI generators shut down, the all I can say it "nobody can stop technological progress."

Sorry for pasting my previous comment here too... but I somehow missed this video until now. I'm really nervous for all those people posting AI work for sale on marketplaces like Etsy. Copyright is no joke and the law will catchup with the tech.. just as it is finally with crypto. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Ai became the next huge scandal in the tech space... I give it 18-24 months.. maybe 3 years. The legal gears turn slooowly. Anyway, here's my comment... Using AI art is a massive copyright risk. The AI companies are being taken to court for data scraping and basically ripping off artists. They are using visual artists to test the legal water... they could have picked on the Music industry but the big studios have mighty lawyers, so they dare not go anywhere near Spotify etc for their training data. Instead they picked on individual artists who love creating and spent years mastering their craft. Only for robots to rip their work and re-hash it in seconds - thousands and thousands of times. There will be a landmark case and the fall-out has the potential to be huge financially. The legal process will take time - but do you really want to end up on the list of people who profited from stolen work? Ignorance will be no defense when the lawyers come knocking. Check the TOS of Midjourney etc. Note how they try to tread a fine line on liability - they keep a careful record of who generates what... so its all traceable to cover their backs. Please, please, just avoid the future heartbreak and financial consequences. AI is inevitable in some form - but not in the way Midjourney etc are stealing data for commercial use. See Adam Duff (Lucid Pixel) here on KZfaq for some very detailed and informative videos on AI including the Senate hearing from last July (not a legal case). Besides the legal issues, AI art is also very formulaic. -It still creates poor quality 'frankenstein' images, both when you look closely at details and also composition. Resist the temptation to go with fast food - its 'fake' to anyone with human taste.

I'm with midjourney on this one for sure. It's another artist tool. It's the users/sellers who need to be careful of copywrite laws. With this newest digital explosion, I think more information needs to be available on image copywrite laws, imop. I can take any art history book from my university years and "re-paint" nearly any image in there... do I? No, because it's illegal. I think if people are using ANY form of artist tools, it's on them to be responsible for their own resulting products. I'm trying to stay objective here and not rant, but seriously there are literally hundreds of ways to copy other images, midjourney, photoshop, Dalle etc should be celebrated for their ingenuity, not vilified. I think it all comes down to the fear... is a "machine" better than a human?❤

When the lawsuits finally come to a conclusion most of the Artists on that name list will either starve to death or declare bankruptcy, most of these investor backed Ai companies come with some heavy caliber lawyers and before they invest $billions, most of them have asked on the white paper "what about copyright issues?" they have already have a solution. If anyone have ever asked a Billionaire for investment they would know its not easy for them to fork over that money.

An image has to be *very close* to a particular original image created by the original artist in order to be considered a copyright violation. It can't just convincingly reproduce their style, or the general composition, colors and subject of an image. I mean, if you create enough examples and cherrypick your images to get the ones most like the artist's original image, perhaps eventually you'll get something close enough to be considered a fake that violates copyright. But that strikes me as cheating. How many images would you have to have Midjourney or Stable Diffusion create in order to get something that close, since each image is basically a random creation? If you have to get the AI image generator to produce 100,000 or a million images to get one close enough, I think you can say those are just generated by chance, and don't actually violate copyright. If you only have to have it produce 100 or 1,000 images to get there, then perhaps you have a case? I'm a hobbyist illustrator, and have sold some work and done commissions, but I've never had the business acumen or dedication to make a living at it. I understand artists feeling uncertain about the future, and feeling that their livelihoods may be threatened by new technology, but I think their lawsuits suggest that they really don't understand how the technology works, and they're just kind of acting like reactionary Luddites. They should stop with all these ignorant lawsuits and learn to use the new tools in order to improve their workflows, or maybe help some of these tech companies develop the tools and understand the market of artists and creators who will be using them.

I get it, Artists who make a living creating art are worried that they can lose revenue to a machine. They feel threatened. But Suppose someone went to school for many years and trained to be a very good and highly skilled artist, so good that he or she could mimic any artist in the world. This artist decides to paint a painting that looks exactly like it was painted by Wayne Thiebaud for example and decides to sell prints on Etsy. Is that artist breaking the law? As long as the artist does not sign Wayne Thiebaud’s name to the work or claim it was painted by him the artist is fully within his rights to profit from the sale of the prints. But if the artist claims, the print to be by Wayne Thiebaud then the artist has broken the law. But now the question is who do you sue? The way this lawsuit is structured you could hold the makers of the paint, brushes, and canvas the artist used in the creation of the work partially responsible and even the school and teachers who trained the artist to be so skilled. The lawsuit claims that though the AI does not store any artwork from artists it stores the data points used to reproduce the art, To which one can claim that many art schools do possess original artworks from great artists which students can freely study to improve their skills. So are the art schools responsible for a forger's work.?

The comments here are really balanced here and thoughtful. Probably the best I've seen on any channel on this topic. I get the appeal of hyping the headlines of "THIS" AI news could change everything but every lawsuit against AI keeps losing for a reason. An image can be copyrighted. A style can not. If style could copyrighted, all the videos on how to make cookies just like this famous bakery or how to get the guitar sound of Jimi Hendrix would be shut down. Even the judge said the idea of all AI being theft because it trained on publicly available images is grasping at straws. If someone has actually stolen something, that's theft. But the idea of "could produce" an image is not the same as "producing an image." Where's the website selling "almost versions" of famous artists for cheap? Who is saying don't buy this genuine artist when you can get Stable Diffusion for less? I don't know a single individual making AI art who doesn't love art and wish other artists the best. I've had the time of my life learning more and beyond just prompts but about aspect ratio and types of lighting and different colors and contrasts. I could care less if I can sell it. Again, if there's a specific violation and someone has stolen an image and posted it as their own, they should point it out and if it's an exact copy, that's theft and it will be taken down. "Sorta kinda" looks like it? No. That's not theft. AI image creation is already apart of every major platform from Google to Adobe to Microsoft to Amazon for various purposes. There's going to be more AI art and it will evolve just like everything else. There were artists who lost their jobs when Adobe Photoshop came out. More lost jobs when Wacom tabets came out. Canva probably put a lot of graphic designers out of business. But Adobe also helped bring forth all kinds of new artists and create new jobs. I wish everyone could do things exactly as they want to but we're all in the same boat and trying to create beautiful things with the skills and tools that fit us. Having your art trashed in every era is a rite of passage. There is always an old guard with an Us Vs. Them letting in one or two new people as spectacles. There's always a friendly air of condescension and pity for those new wayward artists who just don't know any better. Getting hoodwinked by that new AI fad! 1962: Did you hear Andy Warhol is actually painting over pictures and calling it art? We "experts" know the "real" art is (insert favorite here). If AI art seems to be an oxymoron to you, you join a storied group of those who feared what's next. Every new sea change in tech has people panicking. It's normal. Keep in mind a lot of the jobs artists have today were made possible because of tablets and easier web interfaces. In the beginning of all tech, licensing gets worked out. That's what happened with music when sampling came out. That's what happened with music when DJ's played festivals and people complained that all the DJ had to do was push a button. Their playlists got licensed. But obviously, it's so much more than pushing a button. That's why there are music festivals everywhere. There will always be cheap clients. And there will always be new tech that chips away at someone's specialty. Go visit some pro AI art channels and you'll see people who are excited to create. This is their first step into the art world. It's important to discern between people with bad intentions and good ones. Ahh.. but we're still in the "AI Art isn't real art era" aren't we? Can you imagine going back in time to 1962 saying Andy Warhol's Shot Sage Blue Marilyn is going to be worth $195 million? This is what all art is up against. Pick an era. Someone is saying "but this new art is sacrilege! It's not even art!" No one ever sees the irony of them saying it. Warhol got sued for "stealing" a photo and painting over it. He settled out of court. Would any major museum reject his art today? In the early 1800's, If you wanted a portrait you went to an artist who would paint one. Then the camera came out. Lots of artists trashed photographers. Then it became an art form. Then film came out. Some dismissed it as a novelty. Then it became an art form. Then digital video came out and the filmmakers said only my 70mm print will do. Some said no one who uses digital video is a "real" auteur. Then it became the standard. Then KZfaq came out and everyone was making videos and literally creating their own channel. Like this one. So here are all these people using formerly "fake" tech for their own benefit while being the arbiters of what is real and who is a fraud. Go look up how many people are using AI art. 15 million users at one of them. Somewhere in that group of people are future art forms. And at some point in the future, they'll be doing the same thing you are. No matter how superior you may feel and no matter how right you may think you are, never trash someone trying to make art. If you don't want the art you make trashed, show it with your example. It's ok to be scared and yes - stop anyone trying to take from you. But when they're "all" trying to take from you, none of it is "real" art and you somehow think you can see into the hearts of 15 million people, I would rethink my approach. If you make art there will always be someone who loves what you do and there will always be challenges to make money with it. Waiting for AI users to get tired and mocking them doesn't seem like a winning strategy. Thanks for listening. I wish everyone here success however they define it. A video worth watching for you: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jp-CjNintam1hXU.html

I think that any identifiable content should be excluded from AI "library" and any generation that includes naming the artist, denied. There should still be enough imagery for generation purposes that can be found online and in public domain. You may no longer be able to generate images using prompts like "copy style" , but I do find that part sketchy anyway.

I know that most people here are going to feel bad and side with the artists and I can understand that. It's certainly a grey area but I'm not sure how much of an argument is really being made here. The New York Times is trying a similar lawsuit against Microsoft and frankly the rationale is also pretty weak. The images that they are considering to be "deep fakes" are clearly just similar images whereby anyone easily figure out what the real image actually was using third party resources or possibly even without them. A deep fake for copyright purposes has to be almost identical to the point where for commercial purposes no one could really tell the difference not that people might use them for similar purposes. You have to prove that people would actually confuse the two in the same commercial application. Ultimately it's up to a jury but this is kinda like the Ed Sheeran song trial whereby someone is arguing that someone has infringed on something because it's too similar. The problem is that something being similar is not copyright infringement, it has to be similar enough where there's almost no commercial difference. In the case of the world of digital imagery there is so much stuff already out there that's human created with a huge level of similarity anyways that the commercial argument is not really that strong to begin with. In other words, the actually commercial implications are relevant here. Think about it like this. If someone creates a logo for a food product that's so similar to the Pepsi logo that people think Pepsi is now selling that food product. That's a huge issue and easily shows you what the legal standard is. Now imagine a digital artist creates an image and AI creates a similar image. While average people may not be able to tell at first glance what is created by human or by AI, it's not really the same thing is it? Because unless they are identical there really isn't the same commercial application unless you can prove that people would confuse the image the AI created with the image the digital image create by the artist and make their purchasing decision based on that thereby harming the artist. That's super hard to prove in this situation. Also in the first situation, you wouldn't sue the company that made the logo, you would use the company that's using it commercially. In this situation does it really make sense to sue an AI tool company because something similar to what you have created got made. I reality these people only really have a case against companies that are using images similar to theirs because at least there they can show some economic harm. Again I'm not really sure how easy that is going to be to even prove in court. I also very much doubt that the highest courts in this country are going to think that data on how to create an image constitutes copyright infringement. Lets remember that the Supreme Court recently sided with Google (only the two most conservative justices disagreed) after they stole critical code from Oracle. I find it very unlikely to think that these AI tool are going to be treated any differently.

I think it's a lie to say AI can't reference it sources. It's what computers are best at, memory. It's a scam, as AI should be able to, or be required by law to reference it's sources.

now midjourney creator admitted to using copyrighted images to train the software, the point of them getting the art is to use to make varations so the artist should be compensated

Yes, any AI feeding upon somebody's copyrighted material is still 100% copyright theft and should be addressed properly in laws regarding AI in the future. AI should not be allowed to use copyrighted material without permission or without paying fees to the original creator.

The use of copyrighted images to train machine learning algorithms is fair use. Full stop. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't understand machine learning, or doesn't understand copyright.

A PNG file is also not the image, it is a mathematical model of the image. Same with JPG and all compressed image file formats. If I take an image and convert it into a new mathematical model without changing the image to a sufficient degree (converting a PNG to a JPG), then that's still a copyright violation. Just because the mathematical model is more complicated, doesn't make it any less a copyright violation. However, the issue is also "who is liable?" Just because you can copy and paste a copyrighted image doesn't mean the inventor of copy and paste is guilty of a copyright violation. Humans also learn by looking at existing data and making their own variations on it. When you learn how to create art, it's common to copy what other people have done. However, textbooks do not contain images for artists to learn from without permission from the original artists. You can't just make your own book of inspirational art by taking whatever people have created without permission.

Artificial intelligence, like most artists, learns from examples of the work of other people, the previous generation. Even those who filed this complaint. 😂😂😂

Maybe derivatives. Definitely not good enough to say they are fakes. Any idiot can tell the differences.

I tried Runway with a mockup photo I did for an Etsy listing. The photo is of a retired couple on a beach in plain white tee shirts with 3 lines of simple text on the shirts. The prompt said it was a happy couple laughing and enjoying the day. The video was a shock. The system gave them very elongated chins which kind of made them look like monsters. They were laughing but in a ghoulish way. And it changed the text to gibberish or some foreign language that I didn't recognize. Clearly there is quite a learning curve with this software but I'll try it again, just not with my listing photos for now.

If you tell me to paint a picture of a women in a garden ,I'm the artist , if you tell AI paint a picture of a women in a garden , AI is artist.

That's like getting sued by someone just cause you copied their art style and only because they found out your brain stored the information.... preposterous

Sarah got busted?

stop creating AI art, not satisfied with the results, it still has a long way to go.

History repeats itself, this is similar to musicians trying to stop online file sharing from happening. They couldn't stop it, they couldn't stop technological advancement so they adapted with streaming services like spotify and apple music. We're seeing a similar situation now with artists and Artificial Intelligence image/video generation, you can't stop technological advancements, you will have to adapt.

I almost hopped on the whole A.I thing, but realized that i would rather be honest, and create actual art and actually sell a genuine product.

The fault lies with someone using a tool to produce an infringing image and then selling it. This ridiculous argument that non-artists shouldn't be allowed to easily create visual products because the robot perceived historical data is really greedy. Generally speaking, I don't think anyone wants to "copy a specific artist," and that part of the argument is incredibly disingenuous. In fact, the program would be just as good if it only used photos, but then it wouldn't be able to generate images with brush strokes. Never at any point was there any effort to actually "copy an artist" except by specific fraudsters who are condemned by basically everyone. The reaction from the art community is actually "fear" and "greed", nothing more.

when your using a reference image... YOU are stealing from the creator.

"Durr buy my 6 step book on how to make money." What is this channel?

IT WORKS LIKE AN ENCRIPTION the way that LLM store just the data points that with the right set of parameters would allow the restoration of the original image works very similar to how encryption works on any file. No one will argue that encrypted data file does not contain the original information. I think that this line of argument could be successfully used in this lawsuit.

An AI that looks at publicly available art to "train" itself to generate unique art is no different than an artist looking at other artists work (online or museum) to "inspire" them to create their own art.

I think it needs to be treated the same as an artist using photoshop. An artist can take a copyrighted image, apply a few filters, and produce a new piece of art. If it's nearly an exact copy then that work may infringe on copywrite, but that doesn't mean that ALL images produced with photoshop infringe on copywrite. Obviously if someone intentionally puts an original work into an AI image to image prompt and fails to make significant changes to it, that's a clear case of copywrite infringement. It gets muddy when a prompt just happens to produce something nearly identical to an original image. I don't know how often this actually occurs without the prompter deliberately leading it to this, but in that case I suppose it would be worth adding some checks into the AI generation to prevent this.

What does this have to do with print on demand? Kinda sad you put the main title of the video all the way at the end. Makes sense they have no copyright claims against Midjourney as the dev team specifically detunes their training so you can’t reproduce art

"Their own" is redundant.

*★ I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it is just our flesh and that is it. It knows only things of the flesh (our fleshly desires) and cannot comprehend things of the spirit such as peace of heart (which comes from obeying God's Word). Whereas we are a spirit and we have a soul but live in the body (in the flesh). When you go to bed it is your flesh that sleeps but your spirit never sleeps (otherwise you have died physically) that is why you have dreams. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart (when I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'). But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons and love for selfish reasons that is a thing of our flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. Take note, true love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as patience and faith (in the finished work of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, rather than in what man has done such as science, technology and organizations which won't last forever). To avoid sin and error which leads to the death of our body and also our spirit in hell fire, we should let the Word of God be the standard of our lives not AI. If not, God will let us face AI on our own and it will cast the truth down to the ground, it will be the cause of so much destruction like never seen before, it will deceive many and take many captive in order to enslave them into worshipping it and abiding in lawlessness. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. Our prove text is taken from the book of John 5:31-44, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21. Let us watch and pray... God bless you as you share this message to others.